Jeffrey David Cox AFGE

Benjamin KrauseA leaked recording of the AFGE union president catches him calling Rep. Jeff Miller “a fool” and that he will “whoop” VA Secretary Bob McDonald’s “ass” if he steps out of line.

The recording was of a speech where American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) union head J. David Cox showed off his crass sensibilities to a room of perceived friendlies. He was applauded by conference attendees for fighting reforms aimed at improving how VA does business, particularly firing and hiring.

Luckily someone pressed record on their phone, but the exchange really makes me wonder who is calling the shots at VA, after all?

AFGE UNION PRESIDENT WHOOPING ASS

About Bob McDonald, he said, “I like Bob McDonald. I’m prepared to work with Bob McDonald. But I am also prepared to whoop Bob McDonald’s ass. He’s going to start treating us as the labor partner… or we will whoop his ass, I promise you.”

About Chairman Miller of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs, he had this to day:

“[Takano] has fought the bad Rubio bill, he has fought that fool that thinks he’s chair of the House VA. I’m sorry we even have the same name—you know, I’m Jeff, and he’s Jeff. I may have to change mine and just go by ‘J.’”

CHAIRMAN RESPONSE TO AFGE UNION

A spokesman for the Chairman had this to say:

“[Chairman] Miller is clearly doing a better job as HVAC chairman than Cox is as AFGE president. This appears to have upset Cox to the point where he has resorted to name-calling and threats of violence. We hope Cox seeks professional help for his anger management issues.”

This kind of childlike, belligerent talk seems akin to the overall corruption and depraved thinking of many VA employees who believe laws are a joke.

No wonder VA has experienced an exodus of great employees due to overt corruption at all levels. Let’s hope this blatant thug talk will turn the right heads.

Source: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/11/govt-union-president-calls-house-veterans-affairs-chairman-a-fool-says-hell-whoop-va-secretarys-ass/

gary
We’re I worked for the government. that union had no power whatsoever they couldn’t save your job you still get fired. you have to be a moron to pay their union dues they can’t bargain for wages. because Congress does that and before I would ever let them represent me if I was getting fired or whatever it was one big joke everybody knew that even the union stewards.I don’t understand how VA employees get anywhere with that union I… Read more »
T
We would have to get our hands on their contract books and info first of all. When I was a union officer for years with the Steel Workers all was well if you voted for who the National or International rep said to. Or go along with pay-offs, perks, kick-backs, and corruption that suited the upper echelons in the structure. I did not and ended up prepping for a federal brief for years against many…. until I found out how… Read more »
gary

sorry about some mistakes In the spelling of some of my words. didn’t read it before I submitted it next time I won’t do that I’ll read it. only thing I’ll say again I don’t understand how the AFGE have so much power with the VA employees.

namnibor
This confirms suspicions from yesterday’s blog article where it seemed like Sloan Gibson and Sec. McDonald were/are attempting to “blur the lines” between VA Upper Management Employees and VA Physicians…it’s ALL about catering to damn union. President Reagan would have pulled a play from his Air Traffic Controller Union ‘playbook’ and fired them and separated the Union from the VA Employees…no negotiating, JUST BE GONE!! President Obama? Not so much. “I have full faith in the VA Secretary and the… Read more »
crazy elf
#1.) The head of the union makes a physical threat against another human being. No arrest! No “talking to” by law enforcement! No nothing! Sure is a “double standard” between the union/VA employees and veterans/patients! 2.) Jeff calls Jeff (Miller) a “fool”. All Jeff Miller can do is “Nothing”! That’s because Congress won’t do anything to stop corruption, waste, fraud and abuse THAT IS VA! Congress just keeps handing out billions of $$$, no questions asked! Like we on here… Read more »
namnibor
They consider themselves “small business Obamacare exemption”, but in reality, since Citizens United, those very Corporations and Lobbyist $$$$$$$ contribution/donors should be inclusive to their actual “small business” calculation, then I bet they are too large to be exempted. Those Corporations now having “personhood status”, means the pendulum should swing both ways! Self-serving A$$holes. They all should be required to use the various VAMC’s ONLY in their respective States AND maintain a liaison office to voice valid complaints directly to… Read more »
Hondo

This is right out of the “old” union days when they had enforcers who carried axe handles and kept the members in line using physical force…………. This guys been watching to many gangster movies……..

T
I was unaware of the union problems with the VA until I heard some members discussing “their powers” over the VA and administration. The first one I heard of was the SEIU workers and their smiling discussions about how difficult it was to be fired working at a VA establishment. Easier to fire some secretary that wasn’t in some office clique to be fired for some kind of patient information leak we are not privy to ask about or know.… Read more »
crazy elf

On the “source” Ben uses, there’s an interesting comment by “KLRJUNE”. It’s about a “website” called “VAPulse”. The commenter says “…it’s where VA employees can vent their frustrations at VA management.”
The commenter also claims taxpayers would be infuriated at VA if they knew about it. Also, the “news medias would have a field day!”

I’m going to see if I can find it!

Hondo
A national network to discuss veterans personal information? How much do you think we paid for this and what benefit is it to the veteran? Why the Department of Veterans Affairs Chose Jive Software January 9, 2015 11:29 am By Jason Fornicola Federal News Radio For federal agencies looking for a modern, social solution to connect employees, spark engagement and better serve the public, the VA Pulse program might be the model for the future. Developed by Jive Software, the… Read more »
crazy elf

Thanks Hondo. I’m far from being computer literate. I couldn’t make heads or tails outta what the commenter said. I tried to find a “forum” as we have here. Evidently this site doesn’t have one. Or if they do, I couldn’t locate it!
I also, after reading your comment, wonder how much was spent if taxpayers monies!?

Hondo

Crazy,
Go to Federal News Radio VA pulse, then click on Why the dept of veterans affairs………some interesting reading………..

James
Double standard employees at work.saying they will kick McDonald’s ass.sounds disruptive behavior to me. On I forgot he’s an employee and can threaten the head of the VA. If a veteran went to the VA And said that.they would have him arrested or worse yet.have the disruptive committee punish him without a trial. Double standard true.they are fighting over money.not veterans care. How many veterans will see any of that money for disability.veterans are stuck in the middle and have… Read more »
T
I brought up race because it IS a HUGE issue at the VA, like everywhere else is society today, and getting worse. You kidding me? Before going to the VA I was told to visit a foreign doctor here in town. How many get by with telling a White American veteran that we are weak and that chronic pain issues are good for us, makes us know we are alive. In broken English of course. That’s okay though to the… Read more »
James

Who is white what nationality.there are many nationalities that are fair skin are you talking about the arrion nation.excuse the spelling.

Those people killed millions because they were from somewhere else. Who would you get rid of.you better be careful some green or blue eyes are not as you say white.

T
Another fine example of how we Whites aren’t ever supposed to raise concerns or issues of “RACE.” How many out here while in college as some of us old people Oprah wants to see die, were expected to stand up in class and denounce our White heritage and profess our White guilt?? You must be another of those SJWs (social justice warriors) that think some issues are off the table and allowed to go unaddressed. Fine with me but I’ll… Read more »
James
If you only want to speak of one race.I’m sure you can find a one race site where you can be king of the mountain hand get free white sheets. Sounds like you have been in a coma for a long time and looked out the window and was supprised everyone is not the same color. Thousands of nationalities in this country.many are half white. Many Americans are mixed.that makes a better America.your still living in the dark.come out and… Read more »
T
Oh back to the race card crap and derail the other issues. You must be a VA Social Justice Warrior and part of the BLM activist. White people have no voice and are not supposed to complain about discrimination or obvious neglect and hatred from any others. Sorry, wrong is wrong and you can take your well ingrained political correctness and obvious lefty disdain for white vets and pack it. You don’t know me, what I have done or much… Read more »
James
I’ll bet you if you and I would place our arms next to each other.you would be darker than me.but I won’t hold that against you. Your out of touch with what Americans really look like.we are of many shades and no one is better than the other. If you see someone doing something wrong report it. Their is good and bad in every humanbeing.people can eather help or fill sorry for yourself. You never answered what nationality is white.… Read more »
T
I live in a college town full of people like you and the corrupt elected. Now don’t be goofy, You know what I mean by Caucasian or the common weed called White people or even at the VA we can hear … “crackers,” white bread, polar bears, snow-flakes etc. from the BLM and Social Justice Communist that have no place in any health care setting including the VA. If a “White person” can’t speak out against non-English speaking frauds pretending… Read more »
James
Your welcome.again if you would take your phone and sit next to these employees.who are saying these horrible things (record)them and turn them in. Sounds like they say it a lot.employees like that need to be recorded and turned in and removed from that position or fired. All veterans are being treated unfairly.but you don’t see other races blaming another race. My son in law us from Indy.he has his father here in Colorado.do you known what he told me.… Read more »
gary

when Reagan fired all those air traffic controllers where was the Union for them I know they had to take an oath not to strike which I did to but where was the Union for them or did they even have a union I don’t know if the AFGE was in there or not. but far as I’m concerned I think AFGE is useless. I’m done talking about them they are just not worth talking about anyways bye

91Veteran
I don’t recall which was which, but the FAA had NATCA and PATCO before and after the firings. One organization was gone after the strike, and the other took over when the strike was over. As for the AFGE or any other public sector union, they think they are all powerful, and have been since Obama took office. Not only has he strengthened them in any way possible, but he has stacked any government position possible to protect them, such… Read more »
Doublespeak Ted

http://federalnewsradio.com/management/2015/09/veterans-affairs-new-customer-service-credo-make-employees-happy/

So lets see, if veterans are treated any better by the end of this year..

Hondo
I received this from a colleague of mine concerning this article……………..He’s was a member of the AF. This partially explains why it is so hard to make improvements. 100 years ago in another galaxy, I had 3 civil servants, union member receptionist/clerks. One NEVER was able to get a phone message 100% correct. I tried to help her, had others help her, did not want to fire her because she was a single mom with three kids. I also brought… Read more »
ralph

Ben, there is no reason to question who runs the VA. The union runs the VA. Always have, and always will. Privatization is the only way to remedy this.

namnibor

Civilians are the rot to the VA Boat. Veterans are used to order and discipline and that thing called accountability. The rot needs flushed with a massive enema.

James
Went to VA pulse.you can submit your concerns.I requested they look into the illegal disruptive committee and how they can punish veterans without evidence of the disruptive behavior. Told them how management cover up for the employee and let the employee in question answer any and all inquires themselves.when it’s the employee doing the harm. I will try anything to try and stop the VA.from falsely accusing veterans of disruptive behavior and they don’t have to provide proof. Proof of… Read more »
glenn678

Put all these guys into a street fight against each other and let them go to it!

Poser Hunter

Nice no more Sock Puppets for McDonald, Gibson, and Poser Pummill!

Don Avant
James

Write your concerns on that site.I did about the illegal disruptive committee and how they used it to punish veterans without evidence.

How the VA does not know the definition of disruptive behavior.they punish veterans at will and told them the VA is no a judiciary component of the justice system and need to stop thinking they are.

Veterans civil and constitutional rights are being trampled on and the VA has no business acting as if they are.

namnibor

The VA scandal in Cincinnati VAMC over the WW2 Veteran that the VA wants proof he even served in spite of the records he has already given them with the VA claiming the St. Louis Fire destroyed all records. This was on FOX News today:

“http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/13/va-launches-probe-into-allegations-misconduct-at-cincinnati-va.html?intcmp=hplnws”

namnibor

“The Department of Veterans Affairs has launched a formal probe into allegations of “misconduct that adversely affects the care of the veterans at the Cincinnati” VA, Fox News learned late Friday.”

namnibor

Prescription Drug Prescribing Abuse….again!! VA is trying to bury the story on a weekend/Federal Holiday.

namnibor

I brought this recent event up because here again, the VA is Investigating Itself…no less, protecting their own as usual. This also has a heavy dose of nepotism and brought to question how she was prescribing for Vets.

James
There has to be thousands of Veterans.in the same boat. The VA pulled this on me and covered it up for forty years And only after Ken carpenter attorney out of Topeka Kansas fought for me and all of a sudden all my records were found. Very troubling when you own county would turn their backs on veterans.just because of mismanagement and greed. Veterans having to suffer with their service connected disability and being refused treatment because they were refused… Read more »
T
On lost records: This back then was in and out of the news fast while God only knows how many vets went without care over lost records. Now back in the news years later and still little justice to be had for those older vets. The ones still alive anyways. Kinda like the long wait Korean vets had to deal with being unrecognized for a long time. As for the unions: I learned the very hard way about union and… Read more »
Edward J. Blassingame Sr
Edward J. Blassingame Sr

It figures fire,shredding,hide typical knuckle dragging Neanderthals at the union threatening people. Well Mr McDonald you need to get with President Obama and coordinate locking up those “bad assets” at the VA and the union and see how much BS the union president talks than. Especially when they drag him out in cuffs to.

T
My last fiasco with the VA before leaving them this year ended with more issues, of course. I was told I could have a surgery locally using civilian care. Just before, like four days, I was told no and to drive 200 miles for the procedure at Roudebush VA Indy. To see a contractor in one of their clinics so the 40 mile rule is out. Resulting in more conflicting information about VA care and it’s 40 mile rules. Turned… Read more »
Don Karg
02/14/2016 Dear Benjamin Krause, So little is known about the Union’s activity at the VA, and that is the root of the problem. If the “Conservatives” really cared about this issue—the issue would have been gone years ago. Like in Cleveland years ago with Presser—the Government jump in and took control of the Union. Take the example of the Government seizing the Mustang Ranch–and who wrecked the Business. The Union [Government controlled one way or another] is steering the VA… Read more »
James

Nice right up

James Hall

The veterans who can, should be out in front of every V.A. Hospital and clinic there is. Then when the union police come to move us on, we will have all the news coverage those basters can eat. AND JUSTICE FOR ALL EXCEPT IF YOU ARE A VET.

T
Out of a Indiana county of a hundred thousand I can’t get ONE single person to stand next to me and a sign saying “The VA is killing vets.” Not one person abuse is willing to be identified. Such things like that is very sad. But! Look how many run to fill stadiums like the Romans did to see sports, blood, savor distractions all secured by national, state and federal forces. But one single hurting veteran is a total threat… Read more »
James
I believe are very weary and at this time don’t trust our government officials and may think the government would use the police to arrest veterans stating they are a imminent threat to fellow veterans and employees or could be. This would only inforce their power and I think citizens would not be willing to be arrested for veterans. Veterans need attorneys who would join veterans and then when they arrest the people.the people know someone would gay them out… Read more »
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran

I SAT NEXT TO A RETIRED AIR FORCE KERNEL WHO TOLD ME “IF WE WERE ANIMALS THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE OUTSIDE WITH SIGNS PROTESTING THE LACK OF CARE THAT WE RECIEVE”

T

Yes, So sad but very true. That is why trying to change such a messed up socialist system called the VA is like trying to change the country back to being about America and Americans first, not all others, Hollywood, entertainment, to seeing my animals getting better care than I and many others have seen or got.

Robert

The AFGE is a spineless money sponge that does nothing for its members. THEY DON”T DO SHIT FOR THE MEMBERS.

Sgt Ray
Day in and Day Out, this web site, as well as many others, provide all of the rhetoric about He Said, She Said, They Said. about what is wrong with the VA. However, the ones who can solve the problem, are like deaf mutes. They remain silent, for whatever reason, that’s beyond me. They have allowed this issue to become so embroiled in Politics, that the real issue and resolution gets lost in the process. As I listen and read,… Read more »
91Veteran
Sgt Ray, the problem just got much worse this afternoon with the naming of a special counsel. The media and their assistants in congress could give a shit less if veterans were hanging themselves from the White House fence. As long as they have a chance at drawing blood from Trump or any of his administration over Russian boogeymen, veterans are persona non grata. Unfortunately, there are so many in DC used to riding the Gravy Train, this nonsense will… Read more »
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