VA Telemedicine

Benjamin KrauseThe veteran who set himself on fire outside the Atlantic County CBOC was reportedly being treated there by the new VA telemedicine psychiatric platform. That veteran died on Saturday, according to Northfield Police. News of his death was not reported until Tuesday.

RELATED: Veteran Sets Self On Fire Outside Atlantic County CBOC

Many veterans have complained about the apparent media blackout concerning the limited coverage of the event. Insiders now report that VA leadership from Wilmington VA is pressuring VA employees at its Northfield clinic to not speak to reporters.

The blackout campaign has been so successful that Wilmington VA leadership is reportedly bragging about the lack of coverage.

How shameless can these federal bureaucrats be in the face of such an awful travesty? Apparently, the answer is “very shameless” when it comes to shutting down media inquiries.

VA TELEMEDICINE FACILITY IN NORTHFIELD, NJ

The Northfield, New Jersey location is new as of 2011. At the time, VA moved the outpatient clinic to help improve access to services with upgraded technology and better care using the VA telemedicine platform. The facility was apparently created to utilize the cheaper but more technology dependent telemedicine model.

RELATED: VA Clinic Moves To Bigger, Better Facility In Northfield

However, reports are circulating that VA has not adequately staffed the clinic. Veterans seeking access to mental health care are reportedly not receiving the timely services the community was promised when the facility opened.

ATLANTIC COUNTY CBOC WAIT LIST SCANDAL

Instead, this CBOC in Northfield, NJ was recently linked to the wait list scandal and discussed briefly within a March 1, 2016 VA OIG report covering Wilmington VAMC and its CBOC clinics. A Northfield VA whistleblower reported:

  • Reminder delinquencies were not handled properly
  • Appointment scheduling procedures were improper
  • Manipulative techniques showed wait times as being “zero” days when they were not

RELATED: Wilmington VACM VA OIG Wait List Report

So what was really going on at Northfield that led up to the veteran’s suicide? Wasn’t VA telemedicine supposed to reduce wait times and increase access to care?

VETERANS SPEAK OUT AGAINST VA TELEMEDICINE

Following publication about the self-immolation on Monday, veterans have expressed concern about the services being provided at Northfield.

One veteran commented:

After checking out more on the VA clinic in Northfield where this happened. It appears it’s main function includes a Psychiatry clinic that uses Telemedicine with a Doctor in charge named Dr. Jane Mary Chamberlain.

When checking her info found something unusual. Although she is listed as certified it shows that she is not current with completing her Maintenance of Certificate (MOC).

The board list it as “MOC Status: Not Meeting MOC Requirements and Is Not Required To Do So”.

Some kind of very special arrangement there given they are required to meet MOC every ten years.

So this is looking like another VA Programed Suicide via prescription with a new twist. Telemedicine.

Another veteran commented:

VA Telemedicine and Psychiatry…what could possibly go wrong? Or, as Melvin coyly implied, it sounds like Telemedicine and Psychiatry could easily take a page from one of my favorites, “The Manchurian Candidate” (1962), “””https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate_(1962_film)”””

Not stating that’s what is going on but of ALL things, why have Psych Care Telemedicine and The VA be in the same room with these parasites simply furthering their freaky research…as Dr. Candy Man has shown, and the VA let it go on…and that was also Psych…person to person.

Will the VA’s usual knee-jerk reaction be to have every one of us Vets wearing a Hannibal Lector Mask when on federal grounds? VA will then need another $3 Billion for Disney to market and manufacture said masks? Yeah, a bit flippant there, but that’s the level of “ridiculousness” we have arrived at.

Still another veteran commented:

Thank you for rejecting telemedicine!!!

There are instances where telemedicine, Skype or other remote methods of treating patients is acceptable and even helpful for the patient, which should be the focus, and other instances where it is lunacy to think telemedicine is appropriate.

In the last years I was reviewing veterans medical research for funding, there were more and more research projects being pitched to determine the effectiveness of using telemedicine, and the bottom line reason was to cut costs. Quality of care for veterans didn’t seem to be much of a concern.

I am sure I am not alone in my opinion that telemedicine in some instances shows the doctor just does not care enough about the patient to bother with a face to face visit.

Why not just tell them to search out a few YouTube videos.

Meanwhile, VA and the major news networks are not reporting on the suicide with any degree of detail you would see with most suicide stories.

So what is so unique about this particular suicide that the media has gone largely dark? Could the linkage between reduced psychiatric care quality, availability and telemedicine have something to do with the lack of coverage?

Source: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/20160323_S__Jersey_vet_dies_after_setting_self_on_fire.html

Bob White

The V.A. should re-look at this program in treating Vets buy using this form of communication treatment. Vets are served with better care when they can feel the presence of a human contact to there needs not a T.V. screen. This only reaffirms to the vet that the V.A. system is not in his corner.

crazy elf
Looks like a number of issues going on here. I’ll hit on the few which effect us all, veterans and taxpayers alike! 1.) The >flippant and disgusting attitude< by the employees and upper management, over the suicide of a veteran in their care. Especially in the manner in which this Naval Veteran took his own life! That, in itself, should be enough to warrent an investigation, from an outside source, into possible civil and/or criminal charges against all personnel involved.… Read more »
Melvin

Hey Elf,

Please do me a favor and count the number of one line comments that were made by James yesterday in the comment section for Ben’s article “Veteran Died Who Lit Self On Fire” and then just post the number here.

Thank You
Melvin

namnibor
Please just let it ‘go’, Melvin. We all have had our problems posting from various *different* devices on this blog in the past and NO, it’s only been just last past days “James” has had issues posting. Again, he suffers from acute TBI from gunshot to head. Please have some compassion and let it go. If it bugs you that much, simply ignore and read past it. Division amongst the ranks is never a great thing in the military nor… Read more »
Melvin

Namnibor,

To me James is the worst kind of troll not only has he trolled me in the past under another name. When you consider his posting anything he says is meant to distract and prevent people from creating and following a comment stream.

Defend him if you want but I also notice you are unable or unwilling to post the number of one line comments he made yesterday.

namnibor
@Melvin- In all due respect- are you not coming across rather obsessive with this issue of # of post counts? Is not that a bit on the ‘trollish’ side, or could easily be perceived by someone, anyone, that knew nothing about you and your own plight with medical care at the VA or benefits? Just saying, sometimes we need to look in the mirror from another perspective. Everyone’s personal hell with the VA and the military experiences, are personal hells,… Read more »
Melvin
Namnibor The following is a copy of a post by James made yesterday in the comment section of the article on Dr. Houlihan Ben posted March 18th. “James says” “March 23, 2016 at 12:02 am ” “Even as a child I always hatted playing CATCH UP. Or just standing around with one thump up” “”may ass, the other in my mouth waiting for some one to tell me to switch. JUNG.” Although he has been claiming for a week that… Read more »
Melvin

Elf are you willing to post the number of one line comments from James that he posted yesterday?

namnibor
Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) is what you need to educate yourself about and how it can be like the ‘tide’ in that symptoms wax and wane like the moon with no predictable patterns other than ‘Emotional Triggers’, which this Veteran’s Suicide Article this week very well could be a ‘Trigger’ when posting on very blog about it but not when posting elsewhere…see how that works? This Veteran’s Suicide and the Media Blackout has been an emotional rollercoaster for me as… Read more »
Melvin
Namnibor Instead of simply posting the number you have basically attacked me for asking. You see I have my triggers to and one is when I feel like I am being played as I feel right now. Since you seem to want to make a major thing out asking you to post one little number you want to make me look like I am beating up on a Veteran with problems. Instead of posting the number. So Please just let… Read more »
Bob

Great Post Crazy Elf,I agree 100%
Semper Fi

Nexdeceptus

Max Headroom medicine?

namnibor

Except at least Max Headroom became “self-aware”, whereas the VA just labels it as “liability aware”. Technology and Accountability are the Achilles Heal to the VA.

namnibor
I think it’s also fair to assume that the VA Telemedicine not only more or less keeps a Veteran that’s isolated, feeling even more disconnected, when using remote medicine and that the VA more than likely record ALL such sessions….to be edited and perhaps even used against the Veteran as incriminating or something, to screw with the Vet’s Claim for Svc. Connection or to use it to screw with already established benefits. Telemedicine with the VA is simply a potential… Read more »
Don Avant

I think it’s time for a NATIONAL VETERAN’S ACTION COMMITTEE with Ben Krause as the top honcho…

http://donavantwebsites.com/veterans-political-action-committee/

What do you think?

James

Agree fully

Melvin

A few facts about Wilmington VAMC and this clinic

1 Their website list 121 medical health care providers 24 of which are in the field of Mental/Behavior health.

2 Of the 24 providers there are three that have medical licenses in New Jersey each as a Medical Examiner.

Jane Chamberlain

Gaber Yanni Khalil Yacoub

Daniel Bright

So at least there is no shortage of Dr. connected to the clinic to perform the autopsy.

James

That post was another James

James

Asked Ben help with my posts

crazy elf

@James
Contact Ben through this eebsite. There’s a “contact button”, or whatever it’s called, on here!
Let him know the problem! It may be whatever it is your using, phone, laptop or computer, that’s not working right!
Keep trying before you blow a circuit lol.

James

I did will see what happens

91Veteran

James, if I knew what browser you are using to read and post comments, I could give you the steps for clearing your browser cache which is possibly causing your problem.

James

Don’t know what to do.Wife says never give this info out why?

91Veteran

If you figure out what browser you use, so a search on clearing the browser cache in xxxx, where xXxX is the name of the browser you are using.

James

Thanks for having my back

namnibor

Always.

Melvin
I am guessing that your no longer able to hit the reply button and to make your post down in the comments were Namnibors was defending you. In stead you had to post 3 piles of troll excrement to bury a post I had researched and posted. Why didn’t you take the help yesterday when 91Veteran offered. To easy and then everyone would find out your just a troll. What you did to RedTrutle is unforgivable Your troll burst of… Read more »
namnibor

How about using Common Sense collectively using all out energies to make the VA the best VA it can be for current and future Veterans instead of this rather pensive “post count” obsession?

That’s what we are here for, right? Let’s stand together and tall. Please.

Peace, always!

Melvin
Namnibor My post was addressed to James not you. You have already demonstrated that you are incapable of post one little number. But when I see the troll posting excrement to carry on his trolling I am going to say something. As for you the game you played, instead of posting one little number, You attack me for asking and even claim that posting the number might case the troll troubles. I have definitely lost a lost respect for you… Read more »
James

If you see robins post about problems with posts

James

Are you the owner of this site or Ben

James

Definition of troll ” MELVIN”

Melvin

A few facts about Wilmington VAMC and this clinic that Veterans should know

1 Their website list 121 medical health care providers 24 of which are in the field of Mental/Behavior health.

2 Of the 24 providers there are three that have medical licenses in New Jersey each as a Medical Examiner.

Jane Chamberlain

Gaber Yanni Khalil Yacoub

Daniel Bright

So at least there is no shortage of Dr. connected to the clinic to perform the autopsy.

Melvin

Very likely there is no wait list for autopsies and more than likely they are not doing them via Telemed.

crazy elf
@namnibor AND Melvin I understand where both of you are coming from. I’m not going to entertain counting posts. Sorry. My objective here is to put as much “Common Sense” dialog on this site as possible. The vet who committed suicide in such a horrible way is much more important than a possible troll. Today, The wife and I were gone since around 8:30 am till just about a half hour ago. We first had to take our dog to… Read more »
Robin Mitchell
namnibor, You are very correct on TBI. Some days my husband is right there with me and other days it is like I have to help with simple things. Amazingly thru it all he can do some very complex things like higher math and is a walking military history encyclopedia. TBI vets need a little room and understanding. I too have had problems, especially on my phone. The post button disappear right away. Sometimes I can hold the post and… Read more »
James

Thanks robin I’m not crazy after all thanks for your help with cue

Melvin
A few facts about Wilmington VAMC and this clinic that All Veterans should know 1.) Their website list 121 medical health care providers 24 of which are in the field of Mental/Behavior health. 2.) Of the 24 providers there are three that have medical licenses in New Jersey each as a Medical Examiner. Jane Chamberlain Gaber Yanni Khalil Yacoub Daniel Bright So at least there is no shortage of Dr. connected to the clinic to perform the autopsy. Very likely… Read more »
Disabled Navy Veteran
Disabled Navy Veteran

while this may be off topic I want all of my brothers and sisters in arms to PLEASE read this and watch the videos. Thanks

Disabled Navy Veteran
Disabled Navy Veteran

please post this link I erroneously left off my original comment. Thank you

http://kxan.com/2014/11/06/donation-deception-millions-of-donated-dollars-never-make-it-to-veterans/

James

Thanks good information

91Veteran
Thank you so much for digging into this Ben. I seriously hope you continue to follow this issue because I think telemedicine is going to continue to be pushed hard by the VA. I also think pushing it to reduce costs is the reason for ass covering VA bureaucrats to be bragging about blacking out any media coverage. They want to protect their little program and bonuses regardless of whether veterans get adequate treatment. I really hope more detail on… Read more »
namnibor
I also sent to Senator Sherrod Brown (D) and Senator Portman (R), both from Ohio, hitting both sides of the aisle with both Senators strong on Veteran issues. Senator Sherrod Brown and his staff helped me out considerably when I was going through the VA wormhole. At least at this point, members of Congress and Veteran Committees cannot state they knew nothing about this because I know many others whom are sending same to their respective representatives. I would eat… Read more »
91Veteran
Thanks for doing that namnibor. I have such a feeling that this veteran has died in vain for what he was trying to do, and clearly he did what he did in an attempt to draw attention to the shitty treatment by the VA. When I first read his name, I searched on it, and found he had signed a petition some years ago calling for better treatment for Gulf War veterans. His age puts him at the age of… Read more »
James

If any veteran says their suicidal their red flagged

91Veteran

Namnibor, I forgot to add that when I found that petition that this veteran signed, I saw the name of another veteran and friend of mine for many years right above this veterans on the petition.

That friend of mine committed suicide a little over a year ago.

James

Sounds like Retalation by VA for signing and harrased them

namnibor
@91veteran- The timeline of ‘world events’ does not explain at all why this Vet’s Suicide has not been mentioned. I could see if he took his life at same time or anytime in days following Brussels, Belgium terror attacks. But no, his suicide was days before, so the “Fog of War’ excuse cannot be made as it’s not even plausible. @Benjamin- Please dig deeper and keep us all updated. This Veteran could have easily been any one of us. Because… Read more »
crazy elf

@namnibor & 91Veteran
I also informed my Congressman today. Hope he will do something about it – like his damn job!
I’ve also sent it to Mr. Trump and Mr Holfeld, Channel 6 news, of Orlando, Florida! So far nothing from any of them!

Dennis Parker
We can never know if he was flagged as violent and was therefor barred from face to face meetings. Roseburg VHA has been pushing flagged vets to use telehealth. They wont let me because I have media friends and that terrifies them that others may be watching. These people are completely out of control. Nobody can halt this. This is just one of too many to tally. Here in Eugene, it’s the railroad tracks at 5th st where vets up.… Read more »
James

Soon every veteran will be flagged and will have to use it

glenn678

The VA clinic I go to in Rockford Illinois has introduced the Telemedicine gig. I have been getting psychiatric treatment from a doctor in Madison. I can’t say that I care for it . It’s not the same as being in the same room with the doctor. But I just resigned myself to “it is what it is!”?

namnibor

***crickets*** ** * *

Merri Busch
This is a tragedy and I can only imagine he psychic pain that vet felt. Just a comment however, employees are not pressured not to talk. It’s that it would be a violation of HIPAA to comment, especially given anything this poor man’s family must be experiencing. It is an unfortunate fact is psychiatric care that some patients will die from their disease, due to irrational thinking. Just let cancer will kill a certain portion of those afflicted, so will… Read more »
namnibor
That was about as clinical and dry as a sand sandwich. Never even mind that it’s called the VETERAN Administration. That human being called a Veteran gets forgotten in it’s sausage factory way too often. Are you suggesting that 22 Veteran Suicides Daily is just an acceptable statistic because they were “ill anyway”? All due respect, found that a tad callous pulling the HIPPA flag out when it’s convenient. So, is the tree already planted where this happened or is… Read more »
Rastafari

merri busch seems to be the VA apologist here.
only medical insiders spout the garbage about HIPPA.
during my lawyer days, I researched HIPPA extensively.
it is another protection racket for the medical field to hide records.

it has nothing to protect any patient from anything.
HIPPA is protection for upper eschalon only.

91Veteran
You know Merri, you can defend this BS all you want and make excuses for the VA, but we have lived this as veterans and can easily read numerous reports of how the VA has repeatedly chosen to ignore veterans in dire need. Your attempt to shift blame to the veteran for living in isolated areas is also BS. Northfield, NJ is NOT an isolated area. The VA clearly has done this to save money by cutting where it has… Read more »
ronald

no shit took the word’s right out of my mouth. thank you

namnibor

Just glad it wasn’t just me that found that inexcusable lack of empathy defense pale and insensitive. Must be VA Sensitivity Training Time, the spell wore off.

91Veteran

That comment just epitomizes the callous, don’t give a shot attitude far too many in the VA have.

I’m tired of hearing excuses.

James

Other employees could be in the room you can’t see?

Rastafari
good one, 91vet. you’re right on with your analysis. telemedicine? what a joke. the VA tried to get me involved in telemedicine. i had plenty questions. where are the video and audio files saved? what uses can the VA (and their fellow racketeers) make of the recorded sessions? who can view the files of the telemedicine session? can the vet access the files? where is the empirical evidence, the research that demonstrates telemedicine for psychiatry as effective modality? when not… Read more »
James

Get a copy of this visit. He/she wrote down something. They love to report veterans as being disruptive.

Even when your not. Don’t be surprised what they wrote. You probably hurt their feeling and they are very vindictive.

crazy elf
@namnibor & 91Veteran And especially to the VA TROLL, Merri Busch! If I didn’t know better, your last name has too many letters in it. Y’all figure out what I meant by that! You should be ashamed of yourself. Coming on here and letting your ass overload your mouth the way you did! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received this update today on what’s happening in Washington D.C. It’s from – “Military dot com Daily News” by Bryant Jordan. dated 23 March 2016.… Read more »
91Veteran

I read about both a couple days ago. The sex offender was found out during the clearance process for new employees, and the VA hired him anyway.

I’m sure if either, by their actions or lack of action, caused a veteran to kill themself, there would still be people defending the VA and blaming the veteran.

James

This employee was probably a friend or family member

Bob
Merri Busch, Your Comment was so devoid of emotion it seemed Robotic to me and it is obvious you work in the Upper Echelon of VA and making excuses for daily failures at VA!! If one Veteran Dies it is a tragedy and it sounds to me you are saying,”it’s going to happen,so let’s not Blame the good folks at VA”,This is utter Bulshit!! I am a Vietnam Veteran,a Marine and like all others who served in War did so… Read more »
yesIcomplainloudly
I am familiar with the Atlantic City area of NJ since I am from good old NJ, and I will say that it really sucks down there. There is absolutely no one that gives one shit about veterans and veterans committing suicide anywhere around there. The VA is having a huge problem attracting ANY doctors to work there, board certified or not, in NJ or elsewhere in the U.S. The VA puts forth whatever ragamuffins they gather up to “treat”… Read more »
Susan Marie
I’m an ex VA physician and I think telemedicine has very limited applicability for patient encounters. When VA administrators asked me to prescribe wheelchairs via telemedicine for patients I had never met before and had never examined, I refused. Wheelchair prescription involves physical examination of a patient in addition to interviewing a patient regarding their home environment and mobility concerns. It simply isn’t good medicine to prescribe durable medical equipment without direct patient contact. Did VA management respond to my… Read more »
James

Tell Ben everything you have seen they can’t fire you. Help us

Susan Marie

I would be happy to discuss this and any other issues related to my experiences as a VA physician with Mr. Krause.

James

91 can tell you how tks

Christine
I do not like telehealth! They have no clue who you are and all they do is see you through a screen. I had one psychiatrist, Dr. Hong, threaten to call the police on me if I tried to leave the building and drive my car. He said he could tell by my eyes and mannerisms that I was stoned on my medication and unfit to drive. That was not true! I had taken that same med for years and… Read more »
James

Get your records and review

namnibor

Here’s the ONLY article found from this Vet’s suicide in NJ. Please read the comment section below article afterwards. It’s thick with VA Employee Tripe vilifying we Vets as having “unreasonable expectations” and “…the VA is fine, blaming Congress and Vets…”, and specifically, read Shulkin’s quote…insensitive bastard. (remove quotes in fore/after)

“””http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/man-who-set-himself-on-fire-at-northfield-veterans-clinic/article_b7a4a712-f04e-11e5-a39b-3f42b9138511.html”””

Sherry Hart

Ooops – and when I say reinventing the wheel, I don’t mean reinventing the VA, reinventing movements. Sometimes there are other groups with similar ideas. I am researching all options that I can. Thank you.

geoffrey steiner
AS disabled nam usmc dmz survivor ptsd vet with tbi . as psychotherapist trained i put my mpls phone # as state suicide nam vets help 1976 on 4 govenor awards etc i went in before police to get gun away help nam vets. i also 1986 got statistics world wide with many news crews tv etc here my ranch 160,000 nam vets suicides then half homless prisons nam vets today over 300,000 etc. i propsed a ptsd center here… Read more »
Rastafari
That telemedicine screen also may have subliminals or other mind control mechanisms embedded in the lights emitting. The screen also emits electromagnetic radiation that puts us at further risk for more health problems – especially those of us who already have existing radiation poisoning from other electronic devices. The VA in KC installed huge steel coverings over most of the parking. The top of the these steel monstrosities are covered with huge, strong solar panels. When you are under these… Read more »
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