Strawman Proposal To Close VA Makes Veterans Fearful

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Strawman Proposal

Benjamin KrauseA “drastic” strawman proposal for VA closure of hospitals nationwide now has many veterans fearful of being left without health care.

The proposal is supposedly a preliminary recommendation that Veterans Health Administration be drawn down and that veterans be allowed to choice whether to get care at VA or not.

The VA Commission on Care issued what is now called a “Strawman Document” that asserts VA health care “is seriously broken and, because of the breadth and depth of the shortfalls, there is no efficient path to repair it.”

Confused about what all the hubub is about? Isn’t the above claim already well known? Is it ironic that the information name of the document in question is nicknamed for a type of logical fallacy? Was that intentional or was the author misguided about language and instead referencing Wizard of Oz?

Do you like the strawman proposal or hate it?

DOWNLOAD: VA Commission Stawman Proposal

The commission is apparently fragmented because of a sharp disagreement on the politics of the VA wait list scandal, which was initially downplayed by certain veteran organizations and democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Seven of its members independently penned the recommendation.

In response, Disabled American Veterans (DAV) and other veteran orgs wrote a scathing letter to the committee about the document. DAV has long opposed the extent of “choice” many veterans seek, which would allow full choice of health care. DAV claims allowing veterans “choice” would outstrip funding for the ever growing VHA that never seems to end the laundry list of scandals.

DAV and these other organizations have long opposed the extent of “choice” many veterans seek, which would allow full choice of health care. Specifically, DAV claimed allowing veterans “choice” would outstrip funding for the ever growing VHA that never seems to end the laundry list of scandals.

Here is an excerpt from the letter on the DAV website:

“What is most unsettling about the “proposed strawman document” is the utter lack of consideration that veterans would want to improve and expand the VA health care system. There is also no discussion of how this proposal would affect the coordination of care, the quality of medical services and the health outcomes for veterans. While there are numerous references to “bold transformational change” and letting “the money follow the veteran,” there is no discussion about strengthening the VA health care system for veterans who would choose to receive care at VA medical facilities rather than seek care from disparate community providers.”

READ: Joint VSO Letter to the Commission on Care

Thanks DAV, I sure hope you enjoy your fantastically high salaries that you pay yourselves on the backs of veterans’ sympathy from donors and members.

Why is it that the same organization that opposes a veteran’s choice to hire a lawyer is the same that opposes a veteran’s choice of health care provider? Does DAV truly stand for us or its own interests?

RELATED: Veterans Outraged At Lavish VSO Pay

One health care blogger, Suzanne Gordon, says the proposal is to “totally eliminate the Veterans Health Administration by 2035 and turn its taxpayer-funded functions over to the private sector.” Gordon hyperbolically titled her blog post “Group Drafts Secret Proposal to End Taxpayer-Funded Veteran Care.” The title has created quite a ruckus.

This is not the first time Suzanne Gordon hammered against the Veterans Choice Program or those who support it. Gordon is actually an ivory tower intellectual whose writing supports VA health care initiatives and the union.

RELATED: Suzanne Gordon And Anti-Veterans Choice Rhetoric

Back in reality, the plan was not secret and the recommendations within it do not include destroying the Veterans Health Administration, but definitely include massive reforms. Instead, it calls for “drastic changes” because VA continues to fail its mission regardless of efforts to increase accountability while eventually turning VHA into an insurance company.

Initially, the plan calls for a “closure of numerous VA healthcare facilities, with funding following the patients to community providers.” Over time, it calls for the eventual transition of veteran care to community providers.

Opponents to privatization of any kind, including the Legion and Paralyzed Veterans of America, believe the report is actually a call to shut down veterans’ health care. I guess that is half-true.

Meanwhile, the Washington Monthly called current outrage against VA for current fraud and misconduct as being merely a policy conspiracy. This is basically what Hillary Clinton claimed during her interview with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC last October.

WATCH: Hillary Clinton Blames Republicans For VA Scandal

Clinton harkened back to her famous claim about the “vast right-wing conspiracy” that she said was attacking her husband during his presidency. Now, she and others like her claim the wait list scandals and apparent deaths are make-believe products of political theater.

Does Hillary Clinton have a clue? Are veteran service organizations out of touch with the pulse of modern veterans?

What do you think about the issues with “choice” and your health care?

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2016/04/01/commission-on-care-proposal-on-va-future-creates-rift/82487530/

namnibor
VSO’s protecting their ‘ca$h cookie jar’, and not focused on primary focal of, “We Veterans”, and totally believe many of these VSO Groups are so entrenched with the VA that anytime they oppose something so vehemently as shown here, it makes me think whatever they are opposed to is more than likely good for again, “We Veterans”, and BAD for VSO’s. Period. In addition, do not think the VSO’s are actually serving Veteran’s best interests, but their own existence and… Read more »
Reuben Castro Acosta
VSO ARE A TOTAL IN BED RACKET WITH VA DC HQ FEDERAL RICO CRIME RACKET OUTSOURCE THIS RICO CRIME RACKET ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael Arnke
Michael Arnke

I agree with Mr Reuben Castro. During the past 51/2 yrs, I have seen the workings of these so called VSOs What a joke.

crazy elf
crazy elf
1.) Go to “DAVReform dot org” for a better understanding of the “Disabled American Veterans” (rip-off) organization! 2.) I wouldn’t believe anything that comes out of Hillary or “Slick Willies” mouths! Both are corrupt to the core! 3.) VA IS BROKEN, PERIOD! With all the “Billions and Billions” of taxpayers $$$ going into their coffers about every three or four months. What the hell happens to it? 4.) Instead of “Choice”, why can’t veterans use the healthcare program Robin Mitchell… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf
There’s are numerous articles coming out over the “Leaked files” from the Panama Law Firm. Way to much to detail here. Y’all should google and search it! The U.S. IS mentioned. Nevada and one other state have ties to this scandal. As does Argentina. side note: Obama recently visited Argentina after going to Cuba! WHY? This scandal isn’t going away anytime soon! The “comments sections” are lit up over this. Most want names of the people, banks etc, who may… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf

Here’s info just coming out from Mississippi. Looks like the brother of Mr. Medgar Evers, “the slain 1960’s civil rights activist and leader, has endorsed Mr. Trump. As well as; Rev. Farikon (sic), and the “President of the New Black Panthers!”
There was also a “gathering” of “prominent African American church leaders” which have now come forward to “endorse Mr. Trump!”

Just saying!!!!!!

Robin Mitchell

I know several original Anonymous members. For decades. The stuff I have heard they are looking into would blow your mind.
Most truly are just hackavists that want to make the world a better place. They hate corruption and they hate the elitist society we have become.
Expect a lot more interesting hands in the cookie jar things to come out before the election.

Dina Padilla

HOPE they report on CA & some other kaiser ( military) related states, their officials & their related business financeer’s.

Robin Mitchell
CHAMPVA..the only VA program that never let me down. Same rules as Medicare, in fact same form when they filed by paper. No pre-approval, no waiting on VA employee to make an appointment. Win-win. Vets get quality healthcare of their own choosing like the rest of America and local communities get those GUARANTEED vet medical dollars. Adjust co-pays for service connection and income. No new rules, no graft based contracts to insiders. A proven program doctors know for decades. Why… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf
@Robin Mitchell Yea, there’s a lot of courageous individuals out there wanting to “bring into the light all the corruption they know!” A little while ago, “60 Minutes” did about a 20 minute investigative piece over “attorneys willing to hide assets” of people. Out of 20+ attorneys interviews, only one said no at the outset! This means only one wasn’t willing to bend or outright break the law! I also have a feeling we’re going to hear lots more dirt… Read more »
Robin Mitchell

My husband just got an email from his lawyer. Seems the VA is still ignoring Training Letter 09-01 and trying to take symptoms of TBI and declare them separate issues.
And, they might be trying the incompetency scam again. If they do you can expect things that are very ugly to come out. It will just be the ramblings of a crazy man. Who cares about it?
I am done with this fucking game.

Gee
????????very good observation . These hospitals are loose cannons ripping off the government for pension they are not qualified to receive. Empty promises from unqualified people who are imbedded in a ball of yarn waiting to exit the door with a fat pension they don’t deserve. The veterans are right but they will see you dead or crazy before they treat you like a human. Pray pray pray And pray again. Truth is they don’t want the truth to be… Read more »
james gallegos

The Truth about the VA is out and America knows ! But no one cares ! If our elected officials really cared they would shut it down or fire employees by the thousands.

Very dangerous for veterans to say anything about or to the VA !

America has abandoned the American Veterans !

Agent Orange
Agent Orange

All VA medical care is duplicated by the private sector.

Fund the service member; let the veteran choose (1) VA health care or (2) private sector health providers.

The “good” VA hospitals will thrive and the others will either deliver improved medical care or die and that is the only way to motivate the VA competition.

James
VA management has the God syndrome and it will not change. Cover up after cover up, Deny veterans their deserved benefits or start the process to take it away, as soon as the veteran obtains said disability. management is not for the Veterans its all about the employees. To many bad apples in positions that effect veterans benefits, Management would let employees destroy veterans lives, just because the veteran speaks up or questions them, Hell the Employees don’t even need… Read more »
BAB924
BAB924

Pretty sure this letter was signed by eight major VSOs, not just DAV – to include VFW, American Legion, AMVETS, PVA, IAVA, Military Order of the Purple Heart, and VVA.

But let’s hear it for selective reporting of facts.

Hondo
Hondo
The thing IRS Form 990 doesn’t tell us is how many of these do-nothing DAV VSO (executives)? are drawing full VA disability benefits and Disability Social Security. I’ll bet each one of them get every dime they can from the VA with no hassle and are P&T. I’m not saying the ones who are severely disabled don’t deserve what they receive but have to wonder if they’re working hard enough to justify making more then the Secretary of the VA,… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf

@Hondo
Have you visited “DAVReform dot org”!
It will, or should, answer all your questions about the DAV. Especially their 990 IRS froms.

merri busch
merri busch

Im confused. I thought the proposals of the Blom-Strawman was exactly what y’all wanted. Choice to use community providers for faster, closer service. I think VAMCs have a specialized niche and always will have. But for the routine care of a diabetic, it makes sense for a vet to be able to go local to an internal medicine doc. The trick is making sure local docs know to watch for the other AO diseases, etc…

Paul
Paul
All VSO organizations are VA hacks and a waste of time for Veterans and tax payers too. VSO’s are greedy idiots and a layer of fat parasites that are just a complete waste of time and inordinate delays, And DAV has the gall to ask for $250 for their worthless services? Whatever they got you, you deserve more and deserve it yesterday. All you HRC hater Republican hacks, she has NEVER been proven of anything wrong. Republicans have spent BILLIONS… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf
@Paul I agree 110% about the VA! Most VSO’s are corrupt, Not all but most. I myself believe the VA needs to have a complete enema!!!! As far as the Democript, Hitlery Klinton, running for President. I suggest you google this; “Hillary Clinton’s Career at Rose Law Firm a Bellwether for Modern-Day Document Destruction” by Jennifer Kerns March 13, 2015 As I’ve stated, I will never believe a word which comes out of that woman’s pie hole!!! Anyone who wishes… Read more »
Dave May

It is poor uninformed people like you Paul that scares me to death for my Military and my Country. I don’t know how you feel about the VA’s mental health because you did not mention. But, consider it !!!

Paul
Paul

Correction, $2M/year Senate salary and expenses average, and not $2B. Whoops.

Dennis Parker
The straw man in the room is “Veterans Healthcare”. The term is a lie. Ineptitude leads to harm which leads to deception. Above and beyond any oyher thing that I have learned about VA is an enormous capacity for deception. Since the agency draws the cast off medical technicians far more than general society it follows that those who scumbags thrive and grow. Like fire a this agecy needs two things grow, and money is the fuel. Discard the straw… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
The politicians want to out source VA health care due to the monetary windfalls into their coffers that it will generate from the medical and pharmaceutical industries. Then we’re going to see private industries jack up their rates and their fees and then the VA will start requiring veterans to pay more through higher co-pays and such until indigent and disabled veterans will not be able to afford it. The politicians with their Grover Nordquist ideology and the corporate medical… Read more »
Billy East
Billy East

Veterans should be able to obtain health care-with the doctor of their [email protected] or near their home. They should not be treated no less than people who are on Medicare in Regards to prompt payment of service. This would save the Government money and provide quicker and better service to the veterans.

James

Put a cap on payments

Reuben Castro Acosta
VA DEATHCARE IS A FEDERAL RICO CRIME RACKET RUN BY AFGE @ SEIU UNIONS CONGRESS COWARSDS SHUT THIS TOTAL CRIME RACKET ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ralph
ralph

I would love to have what medicare patients have. Give me private care any day.

glenn678

Hillary Clinton is a fine one to be talking about being “out of touch” with reality.

crazy elf
crazy elf
@glenn678 Here’s something you might want to google; “Bill Clinton being sued in Massachusetts over Voter Fraud” Just last Wednesday or Thursday, a bunch of people filed this suit. There’s video’s, pictures and voice recordings of him stopping people at some of the voting precincts. Keepin them from gaining access to vote! Evidently he’s in a little trouble. Now that it happened. Hillary’s group filed suit against Mr. Trump. Seems they “allege” Mr. Trump “offered Dr. Carson a ‘position in… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
I am not at all surprised to hear the VSO pigs squealing over the possibility of losing their place at the trough. If they had any honesty, they would recognize their role in the demise of the VA and a veterans confidence in getting proper health care there when their own representatives stopped listening to veterans long ago. Rather than mouthing BS talking points about strengthening the VA, perhaps they could offer detailed solutions for fixing the VA in a… Read more »
yesIcomplainloudly
yesIcomplainloudly
I used DAV transportation last week to go to the VA hospital for an appointment. The driver, who has never been in the military, is a very nice person who wants to volunteer his time on behalf of veterans simply because he wants to give back to his country and appreciates anyone who did serve. In my conversation with him, he had no idea anyone in the DAV organization got a paycheck (senior management). He thought the entire org. was… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf
Have you visited “DAVReform dot org” It will explain all questions on who receives pay checks! And how they’ve stole the members, or chapters, monies and properties nationwide! My favorite one is in Florida. The DAV was being allowed, for free, to meet at a VFW Hall. The DAV State reps went and changed the deed over to their name. When the VFW was notified. It didn’t take long for them to apologize and straighten out the mess! This is… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf
Here’s two articles; 1.) “Panama Papers Leaker: ‘I want to Make These Crimes Public'” by Nico Hines 04.04.16 @ 3:10 PM ET Quote; “That is many times more than the WikiLeaks cables, Pentagon Papers and Snowden documents combined!” There’s also a few, 2 or 3, video’s to watch. ———————————————- 2.) “Black Panthers Condemn Obama” Mr. Larry Pikney – a Black Panther Veteran. Quote; “It’s about ALL the People! Black, White, Yellow and Red!” A Utube video, approx. 55 minutes long,… Read more »
Mike
Mike

These veterans organizations do not want to close the VHA. They will loose out. They are protecting themselves when they say vets don’t want the VHA closed. Give me private insurance anyday.

Edward J. Blassingame Sr
Edward J. Blassingame Sr
I have written earlier that the VA is so broken that the only way to do right by veterans is to let all vets get quality care through private health care. The reason being is that they don’t have politicians, unethical federal laws protecting them. They can readily be sued and most importantly be HELD ACCOUNTABLE unlike the many and criminals in the VA now which unfortunately is in the majority upper VA echelon directors etc we also need to… Read more »
James

This maybe the way

Josie Klapper
Problem is that some, not all or even most, but some, stuff that the VA has to deal with could never be handled by the civilian sector. IE the current TBI situation. Also keep in mind that as badly out of hand as the VA has gotten with the incompetence and corruption much of the historical “progress” in medicine has come off the battlefield. And that means VA and DOD medical advances. There are ways to not throw the baby… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
In some respects I disagree, particularly on TBI. I do agree that many medical advances have come from the battlefield, I cannot point to any that have come from VA. The HepC cure may be a recent one, but we are how veterans or the taxpayer are being raped on that. As for TBI, I seem to recall several media stories on the military playing catch-up on TBI back in 2003-2005. I recall the private sector was far ahead of… Read more »
ronald
ronald

that is what get for doing us that way SCREWWW EM SCREWWW EM ALL ALL let me say that agen SCREWWW EM ALL

crazy elf
crazy elf
Do y’all remember my comment on the D.C. Madam? Where her “former attorney” wanted to publish the names, addresses and so forth of the “clients who partook of her services”? Weeeellllll, it looks like we got a “leak”, so to speak! Now it’s out today, April 4, 2016! Google the following; “Busted! Ted Cruz Number Found in D.C. Madam’s ‘Black Book'” On “InfoWars dot com” Quote: “Cruz claims to be faithful to wife as scandal set to explode!” Kinda funny… Read more »
James Hall
James Hall
Rats know a good thing when they find it. DO NOT CLOSE THE VAHC”s That said, remove the union clean house and give choice. BUT DO NOT SEND VETERANS IN TO OBOMA CARE. THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS SHORT OF DOCTORS ALMOST IN EVERY GROUP. the government actions has caused theses problems both in the V.A. medical system and the public medical system. Bring the private sector into the V.A. so that the V.A. can out source any medical need needed… Read more »
Robin Mitchell

Elf, I am not going to give up. I am going to think about releasing something like I did before the election that cost Begich his Senate ..

Ron Nesler
Member

I am a 70 year old 100% SC Vietnam vet. People have been “fixing” the VA all of my life, but VA just gets worse each year. Enough fixing, shut the evil corrupt bastards down, and give me a Medicare card with no co-pays or deductibles, and let the vampire parasites at VA find real jobs.

Scott Cameron
Scott Cameron
I am totally on board with you Ronald. I’ve been 100% since 1987, Vietnam 68-69, combat wounded. I totally agree that if they just shut down the whole damn system which seems to serve the employee’s more than the veteran and just give me a card where I can get my healthcare with my choice of doctors and hospitals it would save the government millions. I’ve had 47 surgeries and quit many years ago letting the VA cut on my… Read more »
Gretchen

I’m an Air Force Desert Storm veteran in total agreement….shut down the VA and allow veterans to choose paid for! If the VA has a 50 year old rogue history of failure to comply then shut them down. End of discussion. No one is above the law/accountability.

James

Agree.they are ungrateful !

B J K
B J K
I am a Vietnam vet. I use the VA hospital and find it good, not great. I use the dental, optical, pharmacy, and neurology. Their pulmonary dept. is very helpful to me.It is my opinion that the VA provides health care that could NOT be matched by Medicaid or ObamaCare. The VAHS provides care where others would fail miserably. I spent 40 years in the medical field dealing with Medicaid and find it offers little beyond the barest of necessities.… Read more »
James
We all know that there are employees.that care about what their doing. The management part of the VA is out of control and that’s a problem. Many as stated before have the God complex and think they can say and do whatever they want and to whom they want. Many veterans have been hurt by employees whom have become complacent and just go through the motions. Veterans and the good employees are paying the price and many employees main concern… Read more »
James

I keep getting e-mails from the Clinton camp asking for my vote and donation.

I wrote back if Mrs Clinton would speak about veterans care and the VA. I might vote for her.

When asked to donate. I replied I would have donated but that money was kept by the VA for the last 40 year’s.

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