Unrepentant VA Still Blames Problems On Politics (i.e. Republicans)

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Benjamin KrauseRepublicans and negative press are apparently still to blame for VA’s continued negative reputation… and not the ongoing wait-list or other scandals that continue to fester that go unresolved for years.

One insider said Dr. Richard Stone, Deputy Principal Under Secretary for Health, openly complained at a VA conference this week about the negative press surrounding the wait list scandal and claimed it was all a product of political games.

DR. STONE RIFFS ON POLITICAL MOTIVATION (I.E. REPUBLICANS)

According to one attendee’s notes posted to a VA Google list-serve leaked to me, he whined about the negative press and claimed it was “politically motivated”. The notes read:

“[Stone] emphasized how operations at the VA changed after the Phoenix VAMC waitlist scandal broke in the news in August 2014. He said the media ran with that story; instead of describing the Phoenix waitlist incident as a scandal involving a few unethical VA employees, they presented it is another indication of widespread problems in the entire VA system. He noted that the VA has received constant negative coverage since that incident, even though the concerns attributed to the VA  are problems endemic to the entire US healthcare system. He reported that the VA outperforms the private sector on numerous measures, but such accomplishments are never reported by the media, He said there are many who suggest that the constant maligning of the VA is politically-motivated, and he recommended that we check out articles recently published in Washington Monthly so that we can make up our own minds.

“He emphasized, again, that the environment at the VAMC changed after August 2014. Access has become  major object of scrutiny. He said despite many successes–good quality of care, involvement in breakthrough research, and even the fact that more than 80% of Veterans say they are satisfied with the timeliness of services at the VA–none of these matter unless we fix access.”

Dr. Stone cited the below articles as proof of his argument:

Geez, have you ever heard the one that VA health care is higher quality than non-VA health care?

RELATED: Hillary Says Negative VA Press Fault Of Republicans, Wait-List Contrived Problem

VA public relations professionals constantly pump VA executives with this nonsense – The obvious goal of which is to convince the American taxpayer that all is well within VA. That worked for years until 2014. It took the enormity of the wait-list scandal and news reports of blatant disregard for ethics and the law to finally open the eyes of the public to the atrocities being committed within VA walls nationwide.

Now, these same VA executives whine seemingly nonstop about how they lack credibility all the while pointing the finger at Republican politics or crazy veterans unhappy with being defrauded.

Boo-hoo Dr. Stone.

His argument sure sounds a lot like that of Hillary Clinton and the AFGE Union over the past year, doesn’t it?

VA PROBLEMS ARE VAST REPUBLICAN CONSPIRACY

His rhetoric mirrored that of Hilary Clinton in her interview with Rachel Maddow where the politician claimed the wait list scandal and negative press was a fiction of the political system. Clinton went on to insinuate the problems were much-ado-about-nothing.

This week, VA is holding its regular Compensation & Pension conference where VA leadership and other stakeholders commiserate about changes to the benefits system.

One insider leaked me notes posted to a Google listserve that gave some disappointing insight into how unrepentant VA truly is. Instead of owning the result of their fraudulent scheme, they blame politicians for benefiting on the negative news.

Of course, in this election cycle, any such claim is generally directed at the Republican Party, which has been more outspoken about problems within the agency over these past eight years.

And why not? Borrowing from Maddow, the deficits within VA are perfect fodder for an election win and the Democratic Party has totally failed to rein in this behemoth and its AFGE Union.

But will Republicans change VA for the benefit of veterans or their government contractor friends?

Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
It is not only Republicans. It is money and lobbyists on both sides. Did you see my comment about not compensating TBI victims before? The contractors, the move to privatization is on both sides of the political spectrum. I believe the “couple of rouges” were taught to game the system by a lobbyist who wants the privatized outcome that has flooded our former county hospitals with far more expensive private contractors. They want the VA also. And those wait times… Read more »
Ryan Honl
The root of the problem at the VA is accountability. Public sector union and big govt interests have lobbyists too and they work out of self interest not out of concern for the veteran. And you are 100% correct about it being on both sides. Many/most republicans are big govt supporters in that they say they want limited govt but in fact have no problem funneling taxpayer dollars through private contractors in their localities. The entire system is rigged against… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Very true comments. Thanks Ryan.

Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

I think you are a minority. And on the side of big business of the sort that lobby for contracts. Banner Health and many others.

Sandy Hale
Sandy Hale
LEM – Mr. Shill, you are WRONG, of course and will not convince me or anyone here that the VA has no connections to RESEARCH and medical schools. If that is true, you can refund the 4.3 million dollars federal grant for research at the Michael Debakey Medical Center, VA hospital in Houston, TX and put it in my pocket. https://www.bcm.edu/education/programs/training-in-healthcare-quality/center-of-excellence http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2012/10/31/houston-va-research-center-to.html ” The Department of Veteran Affairs has selected the Houston Health Services Research and Development Center of Excellence… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
I don’t think anything in my comments justifies your remarks, Sandy. I personally believe I was a subject of research without my consent or even knowledge. Presently the VA is being used to experiment on the delivery of “privatized medical contracts”. It was not the vision that I gave to Dr. Cutler. That vision was of the VA staying the same and a move to “single payer” through a contract basis that would eliminate the “fee based” system and provide… Read more »
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
No need to re-read. I read just fine the first time. The Mr. Nice guy, agree to disagree approach is over-used and antiquated. I took speech and debate in college, also and I recognize your soft approach. However, the subject matter remains the same, so while you are changing the subject and confusing the issue, the VA continues doing research without informed consent, which is bad enough. But, to the death is something else and that’s what we’re talking about.… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
You mention the Houston VA. They were also considered a Gulf War Referral Center. The VA claimed for years that they couldn’t diagnose Gulf War illnesses, and as such, they couldn’t service connect what they couldn’t diagnose. After years of the VA claiming that, they created these “referral centers” where Gulf War vets were supposed to be referred to for specialized medical tests to try determine what was wrong and how to provide treatment. There were 2 problems with this.… Read more »
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
These money-grubbing, lazy, good for nothing, do what your told to do, say what your told to say, VA doctors don’t deserve the title of DOCTOR. They could care less about a human life and worry only about that fat paycheck and benefits of working for the Veteran’s killing hospitals and clinics. They have no conscience or morals. They hate veterans and are carefully screened by the VA system to make sure they are incompetent and without scrupples. Good doctors… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
I made no claim that the VA wasn’t connected to medical schools for research. The claim I made is that the VA stopped the scholarship programs that were the funnel of physicians into the VA system as well as eventually to the private system. I have been treated in the VA by Chiefs of departments in UCLA and their residents. Some of whom eventually went back to UCLA to teach medicine and head research projects. President Reagan cut the scholarship… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

Also, I filed an SF 95 on recommendation of my attorney against the VA and Navy for improper follow ups of a TBI based on new evidence. I know first hand about the VA’s C&P effort to minimize compensation and treatment.

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
I don’t know what planet your from, but on EARTH, the VA systems are DEEPLY connected to medical schools, colleges, universities, private research corporations and pharmacutecals for testing new drugs and new treatments on veterans without their consent.I proved that with links to articles approving money for VA grants for research projects with private corporations. The VA system offers paid scholarships to doctors, nurses, pharmacist, radiologists, and you name it. They throw money all around to everyone but the veteran… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

You don’t have much company, shill for privatizing the VA

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired nurse
Mr. Troll – I’m for ABOLISHING the entire VA system and I have lots of company. It’s broke and it can’t be fixed. I also noticed your assigned to this particular subject because you have no comments on any other article. Your mission here is to convince veterans the VA is wonderful and to keep it going as is. Mr. Troll, your not convincing anyone by using privatization as your argument. The VA hospitals are already “privatized” because they are… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

Easy for you to do for yourself. Move 50 miles from a VA treatment facility and get on choice. I’m 80 miles from a VA treatment facility and on choice. But don’t take my VA option away from me. Abolish fee based medicine and fix the whole instead of trying to force veteran’s into the #37th place health care system in the world.

Shill lobbyist.

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse

LEM,

I DON’T SEE ANYBODY STOPPING YOU FROM MOVING CLOSER TO A VA HOSPITAL AND GETTING ALL THE VA HEALTH CARE YOU WANT. IF I HAD THE MONEY, I’D PAY FOR IT. WHY DON’T YOU SET UP A CHAIRITY FOR YOUR MOVE. I’LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CONTRIBUTE.

Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

Thanks Sandy. All I need is 20% down on a home in Riverside County, CA so a realtor will take my offer. About 50,000. And then hope for a buyer that will take over my current home loan which is a little under water because of the closing of the Sugar Plant in Torrington.

I know you mean well but I don’t think you grasp the reality of the current economic situation.

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse

I’ll be praying for you, Lem

Ryan Honl
The Washington Monthly that he cites as his only source is a liberal pro union pro big govt rag of a news outlet. One not credible news source vs nearly every other news outlet out there reporting with facts about scandal after scandal. Consider the source. Govt power and its special interests (public sector unions and one payer advocates) keeping the self serving machine alive. When Hillary is almost inevitably coronated, expect much more of the same. Those special interests… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

I prefer VA medicine. I know I’m not going to get an unneeded surgery and that I’ll get the best care provided it isn’t farmed out to a privatized source. We don’t get to choose the source and we can’t get our records that have been turned over to a privatized archiving firm.

Ryan Honl
Under true choice you can choose to stay in govt medicine. Those of us who believe private care is superior can have the choice to leave. The private care I receive now on my own dime is superior to anything I received at the VA. Unfortunately those disabled veterans too disabled to work and have their own insurance are fucked by those saying govt care is what’s best for them. And as far as the govt being the sole possessor… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

I’m on the Choice Program for my PC. But if I have to be hospitalized I still prefer the VA. At least the one I have and it is Cheyenne, one of the crisis facilities. The staff that cares for inpatients is great.

Dennis Parker

I believed vha care was great too until one day I got a call in bed fromthe clinic manager. He told me that if I continued to mail written complainta about drug deliveries that he would “flag” me.

I said on my phone, “Little man of you think you can frighten this Marine your are mistaken.” 3 years and counting now to restore healthcare that he took from me. You wont like it his way my friend.

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
What do you mean, you know your not going to get un-needed surgery at a VA teaching hospital? That’s about all a TEACHING HOSPITAL does is un-needed surgery. The first thing they want to do is cut you open and take a look, that’s how they learn. They want to run all kinds of tests and cut you open to further STUDY you because you are a laboratory rat to them. I am not convinced that you are a veteran… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

Brian, can I send you some evidence for an investigative report? [email protected]

Dennis Parker

The flaw is not the corruption at all. That is simply the symptom of the disease. What is the single key difference between private care and VHA? Answer; it is in private cares best financial interest to see te patient return for more care. At VHA, it is not in their financial beat interest to see a veteran return for care. Since humans act in their own best interest, then the result is precisely what we see.

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Mr. Parker, the entire VA system is a research center and it is in the VA’s best interest for veterans to RETURN until the conclusion of the research, which ends when the veteran dies, and of course, they will go to a VA hospital to do that, so an autopsy can be performed to finish the research and get all the statistics. That cannot happen if the veteran goes to different doctors and different facilities, so the veteran guinnea pig… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

So you are a privatization shill like the director of Cheyenne VA and Phoenix VA, Sandy? Trying to scare us out of what was very good care that we enjoyed until this privatization orchestrated chrisis so that Banner Health and others can take over the VA and reach their hands deeper into the tax payers’ pockets?

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
I don’t get involved in politics. My job is the wake veteran’s up to what’s really going on because people like you want to throw whip cream on top of doo doo. It doesn’t matter who runs the VA if they continue to MURDER veterans. I’m for abolishing the entire VA system. It can’t be fixed. All your doing is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titantic because the money doesn’t go to veterans and their healthcare anyway. You just don’t… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Dick Stone should have someone explain to him that wait time manipulations at 111 VA facilities is the definition of widespread, and is well beyond a few unethical employees. Someone should also explain to Dick that his upper management has done little or nothing to those unethical employees, and it sure as hell isn’t Republicans stopping VA management from taking action. Do I fault Republicans? Absolutely. For not taking more harsh action against these unethical employees, and not conducting more… Read more »
Sandy Hale
Sandy Hale

No spankings…these VA troll perverts might actually enjoy that. In fact, besides jerking off in their office surrounded by clear glass for everyone to see and being drunk at work and having sex with their co-workers and raping patients, they just might be inclined to take you up on a nice spanking. Just saying.

91Veteran
91Veteran

You’re right Sandy. Didn’t mean to give little Dick ideas about being qualified for an IG position.

crazy elf
crazy elf
Yesterday, Robin Mitchell put the newest, 19 Apr. 2016, committee meeting on here. I would suggest y’all take a chance and watch it (video) on Utube! titled; “A continued assessment of delays in veterans access to health care” Shulkin is caught in a few lies. As are others facing the committee! Here’s my take on all this crap. 1.) Most, (90%+), not all, VA’s are run under par in healthcare for vets. Some have seen the ship sinking and ain’t… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Good facts Elf.

For those who think VA care is better, ask yourself…if you get private care and have a complaint, do you expect DHS to monitor your social media complaints? Or do you expect your state licensing board to investigate and take action?

91Veteran
91Veteran
I forgot to add…I don’t know who is leaking information to you Ben, and I don’t care, but I hope they know some veterans like me believe they are truly heroes for doing so, and I hope they continue. Not only is it forcing VA to recognize they have forgotten their motto…”To care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan”, but it causes weasels like Riggsy, little Dick Stoner and Shulkin to… Read more »
namnibor

*sniff* *sniff* Yep, fresh VA Troll is in Spring air. Beware. 🙂

namnibor
Yeah, thank you for the great digging on this, Benjamin. I also want t state that I indeed have private healthcare/Medicare on my own dime rather than using the VA and am happy with it other than what has started to occur over last 4 years is the Psych Dept. at this State University Medical Center has had a major loss in full time faculty and they have jumped TO work for the VA. They have not rehired/filled those positions.… Read more »
Sandy Hale
Sandy Hale
VETERANS ARE MISSING THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE ENTIRE VA SYSTEM……it is to decrease the veteran population by either denying proper medical care and benefits or by medicating them to death with the wrong treatments and the wrong medications. Obviously, Veterans are disposable assets that are no longer needed and they are taking money and resources away from the rich and elite, therefore, they must be eliminated by any means necessary. We are nothing but cattle to them and the… Read more »
namnibor
If only all of our members of Congress in each and every State had to use the VAMC solely for their medical care along with their immediate families….the VA Problems would be solved at the next few sessions of Congress out of self-interest alone. That’s the problem. We have no real accountability. I have as much faith in the VA OIG as I do looking out the window and expecting to spot a flying monkey. They are bedfellows with the… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf

@namnibor
Next time try “Napalm” or “Claymore”! Works wonders!

crazy elf
crazy elf
@Sandy Hale, I agree 110% with your comment. I know this is true in a majority of cases. How do I know this? Because, in my opinion, VA physicians tried to kill me – TWICE! Ain’t gonna be a third time. Do y’all remember my “Brother” which passed away awhile ago? I have no doubt the VA killed him! Wrong diagnoses, which VA gave him the wrong medications! They kept telling him, and his wife, he had full blown diabetes.… Read more »
crazy elf
crazy elf

Yea, there’s a STRONG SCENT OF TROLL ON HERE TODAY!!!!!!

namnibor

@crazyelf- Thanks for that affirmation. Was afraid I made a rash call. Putting Troll Spray around the perimeter. It’s a concentrated aerosol form of “Accountability” and they hate that. 🙂

sam g
sam g

You’re right. It’s called New World Order. There has to be “pockets of people” that can be eliminated – that are a waste of time. The very richest people in the world, 62 of them, and not only the U.S., dictates the balancing scheme to all governments to suit their needs. The veterans are a very juicy “pocket” to stick forks into.

crazy elf
crazy elf

There’s a great radio station here 96.5 FM.
Just now there was a report on PTSD. Seems (they) admit “…10-20% of the new vets returning…” have it. And “…Vietnam Vets have had it ALL their lives!”
Yea think!?
The station said we could get this info “…from [their] 96.5 news app!”
Hope this is of interest to y’all !?

crazy elf
crazy elf
Here’s something else I’ve been trying to write up for us. Just can’t seem to get the wording right. Anyway, here goes! VA has many “so-called veterans” working at VARO’s and VAMC’s nationwide. Mostly, those who were in admin (clerks, finance or that kind of military field). From my observation, few were in the medical field. That being said. I believe these vets have fogotten two VERY important aspects of their “military time”! 1.) they took an “OATH” which has… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

Yes, we had grifters in the military. (comsha artists). Guess where they are now?

Ron
Ron

Rich draft dodgers running our country then saying they don’t like our senator from Arizona who is a former POW because he was caught. What kind of person is that who never even served to make a comment like that? Sad.

Sandy Hale
Sandy Hale
BECAUSE THEY HATE US….. that’s why. We did what they were too lazy and cowardly to do. They watched the war on CNN drinking beer and munching on popcorn like it was entertainment while our battle buddies were dropping like flies, coming home in bodybags and wheelchairs with no arms and no legs. Don’t get me started….. You know, I used to think these people were just IGNORANT, but then it became clear to me that they were doing this… Read more »
Sandy Hale
Sandy Hale

CALLING ALL VETERANS… THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL

Your first assignment. go to:

http://www.allselfsustained.com/realize-really-going-u-s/

1) read the article
2) watch the videos
3) check out the references and resources and do your own research

Then get on your knees and pray.

much luv,
Sandy

Sam
Sam
So much BS. Unless you have been receiving VA healthcare you have no idea of what it is like. I have been in the system since 1976. I am a disabled Veteran USMC. The VA is worse than it has ever been and it has never been that good. I have survived due to having private healthcare insurance. Getting the proper medical care I needed in a timely manner when I got cancer saved me. I always went to the… Read more »
Lemuel (Lem) Bray
Lemuel (Lem) Bray

I’ve been at both good and bad facilities. I’m not surprised that 4 vets committed suicide at the Long Beach VA before it was closed. But I’ve seen others get great care from the VA for serious conditions.

I liked the Downtown Clinic in Los Angeles and the in patient care I received at the West Los Angeles VA until they lost my record because I wrote a letter about some deficiencies in record keeping.

Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse
Sandy Hale, Disabled Combat Veteran, Retired Nurse

Is it just me, or does anyone else out there see a pattern here. Agree then disagree. Good and Bad, middle of the road, on the fence, personalize it (it happened to me), BUT ……. then the conclusion is always in favor of the VA. Just saying…….

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