Did Major VSOs Sell Out Veterans At Phoenix VA?

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Phoenix VA

Major veteran organizations approved a billboard at Phoenix VA thanking them for a job well done but refused to tell the press who paid for it.

In an apparent counter-move to a wildly popular ‘VA Is Lying’ billboard movement, impotent veteran organizations put up a new billboard giving “thanks” to Phoenix VA. Maybe AFGE paid for it to make its members feel better?

But who paid for the new billboard? VSOs will not admit to it. Maybe AFGE paid for it to make its members feel better?

Veterans affected by the ongoing scandals at the facility are outraged by the apparent duplicity of the same veteran organizations that failed to act to prevent the scandals that killed veterans for years at Phoenix VA and nationwide. The wait list scandal itself predated 2001 but went unresolved until CNN exposed it in 2014.

The wait list scandal itself predated 2001 but went unresolved until CNN exposed it in 2014.

That’s the real deal. It took CNN and the press to out VA. Where was your VSO in exposing the scandals related to the wait list fraud? Were they playing golf with VA executives?

About The Billboard

The billboard is full of irony and apparently a ploy based on new revelations at the location including failed oversight investigations and continued failures.

These failures have largely been played out in the press, but VA has continued to say reforms at VA have fixed problems.

The sign reads:

“THANKS TO PHOENIX’S 400 VA AND 8,800 COMMUNITY PROVIDERS FOR TEAMING UP TO KEEP VETERANS STRONG!”

Why did your VSO thank Phoenix VA for its continued scandals?

RELATED: Outrage Over High VSO Pay

Follow the money.

Ron Nesler, founder of VA Is Lying, contacted Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) to find out why they agreed to put their logo and endorsement behind the billboard.

Rick Weidman, policy director of VVA, said he thought the sign was well deserved:

“I contacted Rick Weidman Exec Director of the VVA about the new billboards in Phoenix praising VA. Rick says he authorized the VVA name to be used on the billboards, but that no VVA money went into them.  I asked him who paid, and he didn’t respond. It will be REALLY interesting to find out who paid for these.”

Weidman is not the only one slinking away when asked who paid for the billboards. Neither VVA or VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) answered the press when asked who funded the signs.

Why so secretive? What is going on behind the scenes?

I encourage all of you to contact your national VSO office to why the approved the billboard and who paid for the design and rent cost of the billboard.

Please report back here with what you find. I would appreciate it if you would call the following organizations and speak with their communications heads:

  • Disabled American Veterans – Dan Clare – (877) 426-2838
  • IAVA – (212) 982-9699
  • Purple Heart – John Bircher – (352) 250-9555
  • Vietnam Veterans of America – Rick Weidman – (301) 996-8557
  • Veterans Of Foreign Wars – Randi Law – (816) 968-1104
  • American Legion – (317) 630-1200

Is your veteran organization on this list? I belong to Disabled American Veterans and am disappointed but not surprised they approved of the sign.

It will be up to us to make sure the veteran organizations that endorsed the sign know they will experience a real cost for putting their inside baseball interests at pushing the VA agenda over the interests of veterans they purport to support.

The most interesting thing here is that these massive VSOs have huge budgets well over $100 million per year. Some of the VSOs including DAV have executives who earn between $200k-$400k per year.

Yet, the Facebook group VA Is Lying, with its crowdsourcing of funds to put up billboards nationwide including Phoenix VA, warranted a counter-message after the most recent billboard?

Perhaps this is a testament to the equalization of power that an open internet allows where the quality of the message matters more than the budget?

RELATED: VSOs – A Major Conflict Of Interest

Phoenix VA VSO Billboard Meaning

The language used in the billboard, which appears in front of Phoenix VA, is certainly curious because it subtly endorsing VA due to its location while also apparently thanking the city of Phoenix for supporting VA.

It “thanks” the 400 doctors working at VA. It also thanks the 8,800 doctors working in the community who also provide care to veterans.

Implicit in the sign based on its location is the endorsement of Phoenix VA, the quarterback for the care, despite documented failures that are still plaguing the location.

This makes readers wonder if VSOs are actually thanking Phoenix VA for continuing to obstruct access to care whether at Phoenix VA or in the community.

Are VSOs endorsing fraudulent behavior that is still obstructing access to care? And who paid for the sign?

Major VSOs – Who Do They Serve, Really?

Now, all major VSO’s have agreed to have their likeness included on a sign thanking it for a job well done immediately after revelations surfaced that a known liar took over its community care program and is obstructing access to such care.

The billboard was approved by IAVA, DAV, VVA, VFW, American Legion, Purple Heart and one other I could not make out.

Ironically, these are the same organizations that turned their backs on veterans who ultimately died from wait list fraudulent schemes perpetrated by staff at the facility that still go on.

Initially, it took exposure from CNN to get the ball rolling in 2014 to out a fraud scheme where Phoenix VA officials were cooking the books to make it look like veterans were getting timely access to care.

Now, two years later, veterans are still experiencing a hard time accessing care, and those problems are well documented by VA OIG and in the press. Yet, our cowardly veteran organizations have the audacity to thank VA for its bang-up job. So what is happening?

So what is happening?

RELATED: IG Confirms Appointment Manipulation Scheme

The Facebook sensation, VA Is Lying, put up a second billboard in front of the facility highlighting that veterans are still dying.

RELATED: New ‘VA Is Lying’ Set For Phoenix VA

Phoenix VA was outted in the press via patient video / audio recordings revealing doctors are still overbooked and veterans are still unable to get timely access to healthcare.

When that scandal broke, Phoenix VA director Deborah Amdur immediately announced her retirement asserting conditions at the facility resulted in her experiencing a life-threatening condition that required resignation.

VA #2 Sloan Gibson IV flew to Phoenix to explain the resignation to the press, name call anyone who called out the curious timing of Amdur’s retirement, and to declare Phoenix free of the problems that led to the wait list.

RELATED: Phoenix VA Director Suddenly Retires After Secret Recording, Cites Health

Amdur reportedly retired right before being outted for using her office to create a job for her boyfriend whom she brought with her after her assentation to the director position at Phoenix VA.

Then, VA OIG released a report that problems there still persist. The facility then selected the former St. Louis VA director to run Phoenix VA, RimaAnn Nelson. She was previously mired in scandals there, but VA thought she was the logical choice to fix Phoenix.

In St. Louis, Nelson’s staff possibly exposed thousands of veterans to HIV and hepatitis by failing to clean dental equipment. They repeatedly put veterans’ lives at risk to save money. Instead of being fired, she was booted Manila VA for a couple years until the heat cooled.

RELATED: New Phoenix VA Director Has Skeletons In Closet

Now, our cowardly VSOs have all signed up to thank Phoenix for its job coordinating community care.

But is this a worthwhile accolade or mere propaganda in the face of contrary evidence?

Early this month, reports surfaced that Phoenix VA hired a proven liar who was previously terminated from the North Chicago VA to take over the community care program at Phoenix. This selection resulted in absolute obstruction of veterans’ access to community care providers.

RELATED: Phoenix VA Hires Known Liar For Choice Program Administration

VA literally acknowledged that it made a mistake hiring the woman who was fired from North Chicago VA because it did not call the facility to find out why she was fired.

She was fired for making false statements to a judge and for bullying veterans.

So what are the veteran organizations doing? How does this continued behavior deserve a billboard and who funded it?

It seems obvious the signs were erected right after the lease for VA Is Lying expired. My best guess is VA organized the VSOs in a counter-propaganda campaign despite what Phoenix VA actually is doing.

RELATED: VFW, American Legion Left Behind By Younger Veterans

 

Should VA Is Lying put up a new sign calling out the VSOs who are now lying to the public to cover for crimes at Phoenix VA?

Source: http://freebeacon.com/issues/billboards-erected-thank-phoenix-va/

Iratevet24601
Iratevet24601

I just gave IAVA a piece of my mind, and told them to delete me from their mailing list. Glad I don’t belong to any others

Iratevet24601
Iratevet24601

HELL Yes CVA should put up a billboard denouncing the VSO’s

M. E. Williams
M. E. Williams
All these liars and thieves should be brought before a firing squad and shot!!! I will bet you NONE of them have ever served in any military combat capacity. They are all a bunch of cowards that should NEVER hold any kind of position within the VA in any state. They should all be called out to answer for what they have and are doing to our men and women who have served our country and paid a very high… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
VA Spin Machine Overdrive by proxy, the VSO’s. Rather than a counter billboard, I would think a helicopter with one of those large forest fire water buckets attached, full of blood red paint splashed on most of the new billboard should get the message of “blood money” across loud and clear. However, this could easily be viewed as VA Psyops and am betting the AFGE paid for this billboard if no VSO will even say who paid for it…usually they… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
I wonder if this “false advertising” of/by/for VA in Phoenix is being paid for by a conglomerate? We all know what Hillary Clinton thinks of when asked about the “scandals”. Could this have been a combined effort by her DNC AND the AFGE? We all knew October would be a month of surprises. The DNC, all the government agencies and the MSM would be pulling out all the stops trying to get a “message” out. And, it wouldn’t/won’t matter how… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey, Seymore,
Did you know 26 states have ‘voting machines’ owned by George Soros.
Florida and California are two.
There’s a great concern over “voter fraud”. As you’ve said.

namnibor
namnibor

The Petulant Childlike VA’s next billboard will state: “VETERANS ARE LYING, THE VA IS TRYING”. 🙂

(Sorry, it was too easy and too hard to resist)

Ron Nesler

That’s wonderful, I am STEALING it! 🙂

Ron Nesler

TRI WEST corporation, which just got a MULTI $billion$ contract from VA to operate CHOICE is the payer behind these billboards. Which means it is actually VA money, just second hand.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Well, they certainly are not paying private hospital bills incurred when a veteran is referred to Choice, so why not use it to screw veterans over and over.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

great comeback to that ‘billboard’ sign, brother.

Here’s something interesting. On Oct. 5, 2016, ABC News went to Russia. The reporter wanted to know what the ‘average Russian’ felt about our two incumbents running for POTUS.
The response is (not) surprising, in my opinion.
The Utube video runs for 02:24 minutes.
Titled;

“What do Russians Think of Donald Trump”

I think some of the “answers” will not surprise y’all!!!

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

Off subject here, but I think Putin and Trump could solve a lot of problems by working together. And don’t call me commie!

91Veteran
91Veteran
I wouldn’t call you a commie, because I agree. I think we have gotten into the situation we have with the Russians simply because we now have a President who is so over the top arrogant and full of his own greatness, he refuses to listen to anyone or acknowledge any thinking different from his own. Even a smart leader will surround himself with experts to advise them, not just inferior thinkers who only know how to nod yes to… Read more »
Darrell Myers
Darrell Myers

Don’t believe that these responses are from people who are veterans or have kniwledge of the VA system, cause they do ‘t use it.

Ben, do you have such a hard on for the VA that you cannot see anything but bad, cause not everything is as bad as you make it.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Hey Darrell, How is your other brother I forgot his name? Did you happen to catch that new article at Military dot Com about the BS they are now putting the National Guard troops through at Election time. It is truly enlighten. You can find it by doing a Google search for the title of the article which is; “Congress Knew for 2 Years About Efforts to Take Back Veteran Bonuses”. This is a totally manufactured Crisis by Democratic California… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Oh and Darrell,

Have a Good Day, Eh.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Another Oh and Darrell,

All of these War Hawks are now promising to fix this right after the election. How convent, Eh’.

Seymore Kleary
Seymore Kleary
Oh, oh, oh Darrell, Did you happen to read the LA Times on the Pentagon Reneging on the reenlistment bonuses? It is Titled ” “Congress knew for at least two years about Pentagon efforts to take back bonuses from veterans” In the article they state what Pillary Clinton had to say about it and what Donald Trump had to say. Pillary basically said congress should fix this, then tried to blow a bunch of smoke up all Veterans rear-ends to… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Seymore,
Just today or yesterday, Obama has called for Putin to “remove his troops from his border!”
How’s that for trying to have “peaceful relations” with our one time enemy?!?!??

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

Would you like to express your opinion a little bit more clearly, I don’t fully understand your attack. As for PROOF of us being vets, I don’t think you could handle it.

T
T
Darrell, more VA cheerleader scum. Come investigate my claims before the rest of the witnesses die off. One simple investigation or talk with others in the so-called “new chronic pain clinic orientation” which has been covered-up, denied, should alone blow the doors open for much of the abuse, intentional threats, neglect, and hate towards veterans there. They have too many patients there to take care of, too many needing pain meds, not psych dope, then drive us away with insanity,… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
namnibor, Do you ‘smell’ something? Darrell Myers, Are you implying some commenters on this morning are not veterans? If so, name them. Secondly, Ben is only reporting what he finds. Most of what he finds IS bad. Plus, we “veterans”, and others, who comment on here, also find other egregious acts committed by VA employees. Many commenters, such as does my wife, sends (emails) Ben “factual news reports” happening in our states. Ben does a fantastic job enlightening the public.… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@crazy elf- Yes, but it’s quite breezy here, so stench not so concentrated. I decided to not feed the trolls. They hang themselves with their own ignorance and it’s apparent to we Veterans when there’s a rat in the woodpile. Do not have to prove a thing to anyone. Interesting that Tri-West, a huge VA Contractor for “CHOICE” paid for Billboard. So this means that instead of a Veteran getting a needed procedure or diagnostic or cancer treatment has to… Read more »
Ron Nesler

I have already emailed Bob McDonald at VA and Rick Weidman at VVA , suggesting that they use “Veterans Are Lying, The VA Is Trying” for their next anti veteran billboard. 🙂

Ron Nesler

It is now coming out that the TRI WEST corporation who just received a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR contract from VA is paying for these and OTHER billboards around the USA. Read about it HERE:
———————> http://bit.ly/2evBTZz

FLB
FLB
I stated in an earlier post that my opinion has been for many years that the relationship between the VSO’s and the VA has been aligned for the betterment of both. I believe that the most damage done to a veteran is through the filing, locating of records and adjudication of claims for compensation. We need lawyers not VSO’s. Lawyers will have their clients (VETERANS) best interests at heart not those of the veterans Administration. A hospital stay can be… Read more »
FORMER DVA supporter
FORMER DVA supporter
Follow the money. If the corrupt VA lost its customers with a true choice program, these pathetic liquor selling and community drinking parlors would lose their influence in Washington and influence at the VA that gives them free propaganda. These VSOs did NOTHING in the face of its members being mistreated and dying at the hands of their biggest special interest – the $65 billion dollar VA with a captive customer base. I also am a lifetime member of DVA… Read more »
Ron Nesler

TRI WEST corporation, which just got a MULTI $billion$ contract from VA to operate CHOICE is the payer behind these billboards. Which means it is actually VA money, just second hand.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Of course this is an election year and TriWest’s chief executive officer David J. McIntyre Jr., is a former aide to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona. McCain who has done nothing to help the Veterans at the hospital across the street from the billboard. Which is Phoenix VAMC, also known as ground zero for the Wait List Scandal. Thank You Ron it certainly helps clarify things. Of course TriWest will be able to write this off as a political… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Opps, my bad.

Tri West will not be able to claim it as a political contribution because of the Campaign financing laws. It would be ultimately be admitting to election fraud if they claimed it as a political contribution. Even though we all know that it is just that election fraud.

See: “Court upholds political contribution ban for federal contractors”, By Megan R. Wilson – 07/07/15, published in “The Hill”

Link: “thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/247079-court-upholds-political-giving-ban-for-contractors”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

That also means that the VSOs listed on the Billboard are giving their seal of approval and are participating in Election Fraud.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Well that clarifies everything, and why neither party in Congress would fix Choice. Both are up to their eyeballs with cronies in both companies holding the contract for Choice.
Nancy Pelosi has her good friend of over 30 years, George Miller sitting on the board of HealthNet, and good ol boy McCain has his buddy running TriCare.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

That explains a whole lot, Ron. No wonder we vets get screwed.

T
T
We, now I alone, over the years have contacted ALL of those vet groups mentioned, All, of them for various reasons. Some people locally, anonymously, because of the rats, evil, and retaliation that permeates anything good here or against us wanting some change or to inform outsiders what it’s like here. No whistle blowers will come out of Indiana or Terre Haute for sure. None of those so called vet groups don’t seem to want anything to do with Indiana… Read more »
asknod
I and my evil Veteran friends contacted 30 different VSOs in the state of Washington to ascertain their level of NVSO knowledge on any given subject. This fall’s test question was “How do I apply for the VRE Independent Living Program? The answers varied from “That’s part of the SAH program.” “Somebody gave you bogus info. There is no such thing” “You have to be rated over 20% first” “Never heard of it. I’ve worked here 16 years and I… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

“THANKS TO PHOENIX’S 400 VA AND 8,800 COMMUNITY PROVIDERS FOR TEAMING UP TO KEEP VETERANS STRONG!”…(Stronger Body Bags Than Chicago VAMC)<—should be slapped-up under their "thanks" to qualify what "stronger" means to the VA. (Heavier Ply)

Don Karg
Don Karg
10/25/2016 Dear Benjamin Krause, In your statements: “The billboard was approved by IAVA, DAV, VVA, VFW, American Legion, Purple Heart and one other I could not make out. Ironically, these are the same organizations that turned their backs on veterans who ultimately died from wait list fraudulent schemes perpetrated by staff at the facility that still go on.” According to the news articles this month there are over 500 dead victims at the Phoenix VA Hospital from this continuing [five… Read more »
zeke
zeke

You know somebody keeps sending the director of the Dayton Ohio VA to all these different VA centers to fix problems when he needs to stay in Dayton and clean up his VA center. Most of the time when they send him somewhere he is only there maybe a month and always come back to Dayton and receive praise for fixing something. The Dayton VA has BIG problems and is very good at covering them up.

Jo3n

I can imagine if I was driving by and saw the sign it would like thanks and I would see the VA Hospital. I think this political thing is just out-of-control , I mean they are really out of control. God bless veterans .

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
I see John McCain’s campaign is in trouble in Arizona right now and it appears that his Democratic challenger, Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick is about to get a major push by the Democratic party. In addition to additional funding his challenger is involved with the Clinton campaign bring in Sen. Bernie Sanders today, followed by Chelsea Clinton on Wednesday and Michelle Obama on Thursday. Some news sites are even posting Videos of John McCain running away from reporters for some unexplained… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

If TriWest did pay for the billboards that would be election fraud and all VSOs that allowed their emblems and names to be used would also be involved in election fraud.

See: “Court upholds political contribution ban for federal contractors”, By Megan R. Wilson – 07/07/15, published in “The Hill”

Link: “thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/247079-court-upholds-political-giving-ban-for-contractors”

Robert P Corsa
Robert P Corsa
Well the VA is up to its old tricks. Lets see theres smoke and mirrors , slight of hand and the big favorite of all times “now you see it now its gone. Let me go back away and ask what ever happen to the law suit that questioned where the names and other information went that was allegedly removed ( stolen )from a VA employees car . The PC and the information , what happened. Lets cheer the VA… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Robert, I don’t use the VA because I was crippled by the care I received at a VAMC and if I had continued receiving care at the VA I would be dead right now. Although by law I am a Veteran who is eligible for VA Health Care. With your statement of “Wow and if you do not use the VA for medical services your opinion is not wanted or requested.”. Personally I don’t care whether you want my opinion… Read more »
asknod VA #239029

Amazing. Another Vet almost murdered by the VA? Sounds like me. I went in for a small bowel blockage 4/2009. I escaped after four bungled surgeries, a colostomy bag, Alloderm patch recalled in 2007 and six ventral hernias in 5/10. Love them VA doctors. Thank goodness for Medicare and real doctors. Vote with your feet… if you can. Then become a VA agent and pay it forward.

Andrew
Andrew
Last year I needed a lawyer to protect my families benefits and mine, from being taken by the VA. I started at the state level(NY), after 4(only 4) calls, I had ben told 4 times back down the ranks to the local post-“We don’t provide help to get a lawyer to help defend you and your family’s benefits.” It isn’t Just the VSO’s …If it seems like hard work, everyone from your local post on up comes down with some… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Robert, I don’t use the VA because I was crippled by the care I received at a VAMC and if I had continued receiving care at the VA I would be dead right now. Although by law I am a Veteran who is eligible for VA Health Care. With your statement of “Wow and if you do not use the VA for medical services your opinion is not wanted or requested.”. Personally I don’t care whether you want my opinion… Read more »
Maddog
Maddog
Mr. Corsa, I agree that the VA, from a medical perspective gives little if any bang for the buck. I’ve had good care from the clinic as far as monitoring blood sugar and blood pressure and getting immunizations but I’ve been told several times that medicines are not available because they’re too expensive- drugs like insulin pens and blood pressure meds like benicar. They offer insulin vials (need constant refrigeration) and other blood pressure meds that don’t have the active… Read more »
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