New Fix Proposed For Agent Orange Problem

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Agent Orange

A new legislative fix was recently proposed by Congress to remedy a longstanding agency problem involving Agent Orange.

The remedy, Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act of 2017 (HR 299) would fix a twenty-year-old misapplication of law that functionally restricted benefits for some veterans who served in bays, harbors and territorial seas of Vietnam. It stands to affect 90,000 veterans and cost around $1.1 billion.

VA has long held to an arbitrary policy that ignores longstanding laws for inclusion of harbors and bays when factoring in exposures to chemicals initially sprayed in landmasses. It ignores common sense and modern scientific knowledge, which makes clear that toxins dumped into inland waterways eventually spew out into harbors and bays.

VA is instead putting its head in the sand while embracing the flat earth scientific theory of centuries ago. But, it is not embracing this position out of a shortsighted belief but instead because of money.

Agent Orange Legislation Background

The ten-year cost of paying for the proposed benefits for veterans exposed to Agent Orange in the bays and harbors is set at $1.1 billion by the Congressional Budget Office.

Previously, Blue Water Navy veterans sponsored a bill to offset the increased costs by increasing student visa fees for foreign students. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt) rejected the offset and caused the widely supported bill to die in committee.

Attorney John Wells wrote a compelling argument in support of the bill that covers the matter in depth published by The Hill yesterday.

In 2002, VA took a policy decision that stripped these veterans of “presumption” of exposure granted in the Agent Orange Act of 1991. That policy decision was based on a 1997 erroneous decision made by VA General Counsel that asserted the 1991 law only intended for coverage to apply to veterans on land and not those who served in territorial seas.

Present Court Review Of Agent Orange Presumption

Since then, VA has refused to reconsider the matter and even doubled down following a 2015 decision from the Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims. The Court held VA’s policy that excludes bays and harbors from the definition of inland waters was arbitrary and capricious.

The matter is now up for review after VA doubled-down on its flawed position before the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Attorney John Wells Proposed Solution

According to Wells, the solution is straight forward and will help other veterans exposed to various toxins in other wars, too:

“The Blue Water Navy veterans are only the tip of the spear. Other veterans were exposed to the dioxin in places like Guam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Panama, Korea and even stateside bases. Veterans have been exposed to toxic chemicals at Fort McClellan, asbestos on Navy ships, radiation poisoning, mustard gas and the toxic open air burn pits in Iraq and Afghanistan. President Donald Trump needs to identify a funding source for all toxic exposures or to ask Congress to remove veterans benefits from the offset requirements of the Pay As You Go Act of 2010.

“VA Secretary David Shulkin can rescue these sea service veterans with the stroke of a pen. Reversing the exclusion policy makes sense and is supported by science. Shulkin can show that he is serious about toxic exposure and start his tenure on a high note. Otherwise, he will continue to face more Congressional scrutiny and litigation.”

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Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
John Wells is absolutely correct on this. Agent Orange, and the more toxic Agent Pink were also stored at several locations on Okinawa during the late ’60’s through the ’70’s. How many thousands of potential exposures occurred there, due to improper stowage? Or seepage from cracked barrels into the water supply? We all know that Agent Orange is one of the ten deadliest substances on the planet. The US government however, seems to still be somewhat denying proper screenings and compensation for those who were exposed to it. Then, once screened and diagnosed – – – the paperwork and ticking… Read more »
Bill
Bill

I personnaly saw AO stacked in quonset huts on Okinawa in 1975 and 1976 and . I so saw it used to defoliate our secure perimeter there. I PRAY I will not get sick from so many tears ago.

The government says AO was not there yet disability awards have been awarded to vets for AI exposure who served on okinawa.

Not many but a few

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Bill – Yes. Saw quite a few barrels stacked at MCAS Futema during ’74 and ’75. And I am reasonably sure that Camp Hansen and Camp Schwab had a few as well.

namnibor
namnibor
“VA Secretary David Shulkin can rescue these sea service veterans with the stroke of a pen. Reversing the exclusion policy makes sense and is supported by science. Shulkin can show that he is serious about toxic exposure and start his tenure on a high note. Otherwise, he will continue to face more Congressional scrutiny and litigation.” ^Did anyone else see this coming with the VA appointing BVA Tom “Agent Orange Denier” Murphy as BVA Chief? Anyone second guessing that his remaining beliefs in junk science that AO is as healthy as the drink astronauts drink, TANG, would come to bite… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Today’s article shows how politics INDEED affects Veterans and Veteran Benefits. Leahy allowing that “offset” to quietly die is but one proving politics as usual definitely affects Veteran Benefits and Veterans. Remember that poo from the VA Meat Grinder always slides downhill onto Veterans. On a side note, I saw in news where a truckload of red skittles candy broke loose from a truck onto a highway in the rain in Midwest. Were those actually Butthurt Snowflakes finally melting down after their weekend of violence? The all red skittles were on way to be made into cattle grain due to… Read more »
Bill
Bill

Still laughing hard at the skittles accident.

Van
Van
I’m sorry but to blame Leahy is wrong. First off they didn’t have the votes in the Senate. They had 46, 12 repubs and 34 dems. Secondly The congress is breaking the law when demanding an offset. The 2010 PAYGO law says veterans programs are exempt, but repubs are demanding an offset. Also, Miller head of the house veterans affairs committee has not allowed the bill to come to the floor of the house for a vote. It’s been the repubs all along that first took the benefits away, then aren’t allowing them to be reinstated. Put the blame where… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Van – Personally, both sides of the major political parties have been bullshitting and screwing over Veterans [some being Veterans themselves], ever since the inception of combining three agencies into one which makes up the current VA. When health, family, or other that arise that negatively affect-effect Veterans, they should be HONORALBY ADDRESSED. The only question should be, “how do we fix the issue(s) to protect the health of those that served our Country well?” Is this too much to ask? The money is there. Enough already. Even the Main Stream Media [MSM] outlets are doing Veterans a disservice, by… Read more »
Van
Van
ANutter Vet- I agree to a certain extent. I was responding to the issue of Bluewater vets. But you can also blame the chronic underfunding to the repubs as well. IAVA determined that the DVA needed over 60 billion dollars to bring it up to speed. The infrastructure needs, doctors, nurses, staff, modernization and more is needed. This underfunding has totally made the DVA dysfunctional. Then the Sec of DVA needs the power to hire and fire the dead wood. Shinseki wanted to bring in his own people but congress wouldn’t allow it. Then when he put in the 3… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Van, if you understand PAYGO rules, you would understand Leahy could have easily killed this bill, which is why both parties like using them as an excuse. PAYGO makes it damn tough to get anything done when 1 or 2 politicians can disagree with a funding source, kill the legislation and leave little fingerprints on it. Both sides do it. Leahy happens to be the one who disagreed with the funding source. Any numbers of others would have their name on it all depending on the source of funding proposed to pay for it. Again, it is a disgusting practice,… Read more »
Van
Van
91veteran- Leahy is a Senator not a member of the House. He disagreed with the offset. There should be no offset per PAYGO. 335 members of the House sponsored the bill and only 46 in the Senate. Jeff Miller, head of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, wouldn’t release the bill for a vote. It was stuck in committee which means that’s where it sits until the committee chairman releases it for a vote, that didn’t happen. The process now starts over for the most part. At least Leahy didn’t stay anonymous, he manned up. Leahy has been a friend to… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

I am familiar with who Leahy is.

He stopped the bill because, as you stated, he disagreed with the offset.

The real bone of contention here is with whoever demanded the legislation comply with PAYGO, as you also said.

Van
Van

91veteran- That would be Grassley, he demanded the offset. It wasn’t just Leahy. that didn’t agree. What is the sense of passing laws if you don’t uphold them? This congress is as corrupt as it can get and veterans need to know the truth, not the bullshit.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
I’m not sure when, or how long ago, the article came out. I do remember reading about how veterans, who had disabilities related to AO, were stripped of it. I don’t remember how many were affected, I do know it was a lot! I have, in my military medical records and VHA medical records, proof positive of multiple ‘conditions’, (9 out of the 15+), related to AO. Yet, my ‘conditions’, which gives me compensations, does NOT state it. Nor, has the VA admitted it. Except for one, (1), VHA physician putting them in my records. Is, or will, VA be… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

PS,
Plus, with Tom Murphy (“Agent Orange Denier”) in charge. It looks like no one will receive anything related to Agent Orange!

91Veteran
91Veteran

That’s the other issue with presumption. At some point in the future, will some bureaucrat pull an opinion out of his ass and claim that disease is no longer related to an exposure?

91Veteran
91Veteran
In some respects, the VA will never admit to a presumed illness being directly connected to exposure X. By presuming disease X is related to exposure Y, there is always the question there of “Does exposure Y REALLY cause disease X”? By leaving that question there, it insures there will always be plenty of money for research, and a little money to satisfy veterans. If they declared “exposure Y absolutely causes disease X”, then there is no reason to research it further. There is also no wiggle room for any veteran claiming disease X, and being able to prove exposure… Read more »
Bill
Bill

“http://apjjf.org/-Jon-Mitchell/4384”

PROOF

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Bill,
Can’t find it.
Is there a “title” to google?

namnibor
namnibor

@Crazy elf- Here’s the full title of the article that Bill’s link takes you to and I remember that article from the last time around 2015 when the VA was told to take care of AO Veterans properly as well…great article.

“FOIA Documents Reveal Agent Orange Dioxin, Toxic Dumps, Fish Kills on Okinawa Base. Two Veterans Win Compensation, Many More Denied”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf , @Bill , @Namnibor – The link Bill posted worked for me. Title is correct.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
@Bill, I googled it. All I got was for Okinawa and basically for Navy service members. I was Army. “Boots on Ground” IN Vietnam. Stationed in “II Corps”, Central Highlands. The Army sprayed that crap all over up there. Drank water from a well which had absolutely no purification system whatsoever. When the wind was right, guess what happened. It came right back at us. What I wrote earlier is factual. Many vets were stripped of anything related to Agent Orange presumptive. I have proof. VA won’t budge on anything. As a matter of fact, I was, and have been,… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf,

If you Google the URL “with the quotes” it will display the link in the top of the Google search results.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Besides Agent Orange, a variety of herbicides were also used in Vietnam; Agents White, Purple, Pink, Green, and Blue. These chemical compounds are referred to as “Rainbow herbicides.” The VA’s rhetoric truly indicates that it is “putting its head in the sand while embracing the flat earth scientific theory of centuries ago.” [“http://www.disabledveterans.org/2017/01/23/new-fix-proposed-agent-orange-problem”] This Federal Agency [VA] is plagued by dirty science. And, the intentional manipulation of scientifically proven facts pertaining to these dangerous and life threatening compounds of herbicidal formulas, will continually to affect-effect the lives of Veterans for years to come. Many of our political leaders have continually… Read more »
Bill
Bill

Remember Westmorans son? Died from AO related deseases.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Bill – Wasn’t that Westmoreland son named James Ripley II? One of the quotes, of deceased 4-Star Army General Westmoreland, was “War is fear cloaked in courage.”

I like to add, ” . . . and not solving the health issues of Veterans that participated in such actions.”

Gary

It was Admiral Zumwalts’ son, his son was impacted by Agent Orange too. Lt. JG Zumwalt was in the Brown water Navy in the Delta and died from two kinds of cancers, and his son suffered with Down’s Syndrome. He wrote the book, “My Father My Son” which is excellent.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Gary – I was wondering why I couldn’t find anything pertaining to the death of Westmoreland’s son. Found plenty on the General though. I liked Zummy, allowed for beards so I immediately received a chit to do so. Thank you for posting.

gary

ANutterVet, I met the son and his son at Fuller School in Fayetteville, North Carolina in 1971 when my Mother was a Teacher’s Aid at Fuller. It’s where I first became aware of Special Olympics which the kids participated in. I came back from Vietnam in August, 1971 and was in the AMERICAL, 23rd Infantry Division. I burned shit my last two months.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Gary – I couldn’t find anything about Westmoreland’s son passing away. Where I previously lived, there was a road closely similar to the spelling of Westmoreland and believe it or not one named McNamara. Due to unusual circumstances when I was in the service, I was forced to be exposed to a life threatening situation where I was not safe from my own colleagues. To have a personal feeling of protection, I made specific weapons in which I currently have access to in every room where I reside. And, I was in denial of having PTSD for decades. Had no… Read more »
Bill
Bill

Sorry fir the spelling of his name, no insult intended

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Bill – No worries Brother.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Was it Westmorelands son or Admiral Zumwalt?

I thought it was Zumwalts son that was badly affected by his exposures.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – It was Admiral Zumwalt’s son. Had me a little perplexed as well.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Gary – Or did I miss something that mean the same thing as burning shit? Just asking, you never know due to the happenings during that time period.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Your comment brings to mind another thing I have been wondering for years.

Why is it Agent Orange is the focus? Why not some of the other chemicals you mention?

Can any of those other chemicals cause disease? Are they worse than Agent Orange? Were they used more heavily than Agent Orange?

Are those other chemicals ignored in favor of Agent Orange because it would be more difficult to ignore health effects from those other chemicals?

Imagine those veterans affected by Burn Pit exposure. Prove which toxin was present on the day you were exposed at a level high enough to cause disease.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@91Veteran – You bring up good points. Fortunately, I wasn’t exposed, but it pisses me off how our compassionate Government can spend monies to support all sorts of women’s rights in other countries, but we can’t take care of our own: Veterans. All I know is this about dioxins [all Rainbow Herbicides], they are lipid soluble. That means that these vicious compounds are harder to release and expel from the biological active chemical bonds in our bodies. They all can cause many health issues, and can wreak havoc on our genes. Therefore, passing on unwanted traits to parents offspring. Dangerous… Read more »
Van
Van
That’s the rainbow herbs. The law actually is an herbicide agent containing dioxin which there are many. Along with that there are many substances used by the military that are dioxin forming substances, DDT for one. Actually AO is a non soluble herb. They used these herbs all over the pacific and in many places here in the US. Even the farming industry used them. The elephant in the room is the synergistic effect of these pesticides. Some, the DoD, MIC and many scientist don’t want people knowing about it. One thing you never do is mix insecticides and herbicides.… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Van – Yes, dioxin is insoluble in water, and it only barely dissolves in other dangerous solvents. Herbicides with dioxin compounds should have never been used, due to it long lasting effects, and the damage that it causes in the intracellular level matrix of living organisms. Therefore, disrupting organic processes in eukaryote cells. Yes Van, I agree our Government knew all along about the devastating affects-effects when living organisms are exposed to this awful carcinogen. Unfortunately, due to the dirty science that is shoved into our minds, and the Government using the tactics of dumbing down Veterans and Americans, we… Read more »
Van
Van

I started running into what you call dirty science 20 or 25 years ago and it’s definitely a huge problem. I was researching neurodegenerative disease and the island of Guam. I learned to look at the protocols and the researchers for all the biases. If a scientist’ work is primarily for the government and most often finds for the government you may have a problem. You can say that for industries as well. A nuclear physicist I did research with gave me some great advice,”follow the money Van”. It has served me well, because it’s all about the money.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Van – Totally agree! Especially if the profit margins or low cost of operations increases revenue. Even though, there is a health issue at hand that has effected people, other animals, and the environment. Look what happed to the delta in New Orleans, Everglades, and now the big parking lots created in some states with all the rigs in those areas. Lets not forget about fracking. I hear you loud and clear, “follow the money.”

namnibor
namnibor

This article places even more questions on why Obama and Ex Sec. VA McDonald were okay with placing Thomas Murphy as BVA when he is still a notorious Agent Orange Denier??

My answer: ALL BY DESIGN by the Ratty Rats at the Insurance Agency called the VA.

How about no more VA Non-Performance Bonuses and use THAT “Incentive $$$” as both leverage and to PAY OUR VETERANS THEIR DUE?????

Rant Out. Raining out. Scuttled Skittle Snowflakes still melting-down. They are embarrassing themselves.

T
T
Seems most issues today are by design and a multitude of harmful agendas. Every day seems to bring on new battles along with the never ending old ones, giving us plenty of opportunities to make new enemies for simply not wanting to jump on everyone’s band wagon to pacify them all. God forbid we air our own issues or dare to offend some communist, fascist, union, or some professional class, or some variety of activist. There are those Skittles and then body parts left in area of bad wreck and marbles on I-465 in Indianapolis, IN. Oh my! But then… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@T – Well stated my Brother. A post that clearly describes the morally corrupt and bankrupt practices performed by greedy selfish trolling verts. Shamefully, Repubs, conservative Dems, and Veterans are hiding but participating in this group as well.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Question:
Since Obama and McDipshit put Murphy in as head of VBA, can Trump fire his ass?

Gene Sivard
Gene Sivard
I fall into a smaller group of exposed veterans but facing similar struggles as the Blue Water men and women. I was a C123 crewchief and never set foot in Vietnam but unfortunately Vietnam was brought to us here . C123s were the Ranch hand acft that sprayed AO and in 1972 they were assigned to 3 bases here in the US. Rickenbacker, Pittsburgh and Westover where I served for 9 years. 1982 these acft were phased out of the inventory and all but a few wound up at the graveyard in Az. What I find extremely appalling is the… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Gene Sivard – It is my hope, that you’ll get compensated for your exposure to this carcinogenic compound. In the meantime, please consider to faithfully take supplementation of powerful anti oxidants that are easily available; A [Beta Carotene], C, E, Zinc, L-Lysine, and many others. To determine what is best for you, Google “what are the most powerful anti oxidants to remove free radicals from my body.” This should give you a good start to know them and to see if they fit into your budget. As your probably aware, the VA doesn’t totally believe that anti oxidants are a… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Or Google, “what are the best supplements to detox my body of dioxins or herbicides.”

SCAN MAN
SCAN MAN
Gene, As of April 28th, 2017 the VA out of St. Paul have granted benefits to 194 C123 Veterans. I’ve been following this matter closely since 2015. I’m a C123 Reservist Vet out of Rickenbacker and filed for Benefits at 8:30 AM back on June 19th, 2015 at the Cape Coral Vet Center in Florida ( the first day of the ruling). My benefits process has moved along well but it takes work. Since then, I’ve continued pushing on the matter of Retro-Active benefits along with addition of HyperTension to the Medical List. Wes Carter took his C123 Cancer website… Read more »
CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

Fallbrook, Camp Pendleton

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

According to “The Horn News”, 23 Jan. 2017, President Trump is “… meeting with the union leaders this afternoon…”!
I wonder if AFGE President “little” Cox will show!
I wonder if he’ll have the balls to threaten President Trump as he did McDipshit…….

According to the article, President Trump will be very busy this week. So far he’s done more than Obama has done in eight years.
If y’all haven’t subscribed to “The Horn News”, I suggest it highly.

cj
cj

@Crazy elf: Thank you for the heads-up on “The Horn News” absolutely love it.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – I’ve been thinking about you my Brother. How is your pain level today? I’ve been getting kicked around due to the increase in humidity, that then causes more pain and muscle spasms. Update – VA called today. Again going around circles. Social Worker said that she didn’t know why she was contacting me. I said to her, “well then why are you calling me if you don’t know why your calling?” I’m not going around these circles anymore with the VA. I’ve had it with their runarounds. I’m going to continually repeat this, “I’m tired of their… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
@ANutterVet, this is what the va calls a Veteran falling thru the cracks. They are to ones to blame for this. You called and left your complaint and by the time it gets to the provider who is suppose to help you they do not do anything. So typical of there operations. This is how they deliver medical care. To not deliver it. To cause more injury or to allow suffering to continue. I am sorry you are being treated my heart goes out to Veterans who are not getting the help they need. The comparison to the NFL with… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – Glad your getting better relief today. I’m in double jeopardy. In order to possibly see if I can make it outside my residence, I have to take additional tabs of Oxycodone. That’s if it works. It all depends. The downside of doing this, is that my body will get use to taking more of these dam pain pills. I shared with my VA PCP that I don’t want to take more Oxycodone. The VA currently provides me with in home Physical and Occupational Therapies, due to my being weak and not feeling comfortable leaving my residence. They… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, that makes no sense to put you on the medication that causes more problems. I am afraid of that medication i heard a lot of bad things. I will have one day a week where it is not excruciating but not much better. The mornings are the worse for me. Magnesium helps a little. Pain meds help a little. Don’t solve the problem, just masks it.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – When in Private Sector, I had decent health insurance that enabled me to go to Laser Spine Institute [LSI]. I was having severe sciatica that caused pain from my buttocks to my toes on one side. The staff at LSI is like day and night compared to the VA. Staff was really upbeat, and I had multiple meetings with the main physicians of the operating team. I felt very comfortable. The outcome was 100% successful. Did the VA care? They were absolutely not the slightest interested in the outcome. They could care less due to the procedure… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Ex va, you should write your experiences down as both a former VA employee and as a veteran trying to get care through the same VA.

I imagine you would have some rather riveting testimony from an insider’s view on how badly some veterans were treated, only to face the same horrible treatment as a veteran.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@91Veteran, @Ex va – Brother 91Veteran, I agree. Only if Ex va is up to it. If not, I completely understand. I say this because I want to make sure that I’m without error when I post on Ben’s Blog. Us Veterans go through enough, and we definitely don’t need any more re-training or -programming. Ex va, I didn’t put things together due to your handle on Ben’s Blog. I must have missed the post if you let others know of your previous dedicated employer that is watching your back: the VA. Do you mind sharing what you did to… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

ANutterVet, I didn’t mean for Ex va to write comments here. I meant for Ex va to put his/her experiences down in writing with the possibility of providing them as oral or written testimony to Trump or others at some point in the future…or not at all as Ex va desires.
All veterans should do that.
Writing something like that down actually helps some people in processing those experiences.
Whether Ex va actually provides that to others is his/her choice. It might actually be helpful to have something to submit if the opportunity arises.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – I agree. Didn’t mean to sound pushy. Plus, I understand that @Ex va is dealing with issues like myself. And yes, it is totally up to Ex va to handle the situation in the way he so desires. Thanks for bringing this up so that I could clarify. No disrespect to Ex va, you, or anyone else.

91Veteran
91Veteran

No disrespect taken here ANutterVet. I just thought I was unclear in what I meant regarding Ex va’s comments.

Ex va
Ex va
@91Veteran, i know a lot about them. Kept a log. I will keep trying to get help to help others. I wrote letters and i am not finished with this and i don’t know if i ever will be finished. I want people to know the truth behind the lies they create. I’ve lost all faith in the system because of their acts and crimes. I warn others and try to explain parts of the system that i understand to tell them how it really works. The va can do some good if they wanted to, but the majority of… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

That’s why I think your testimony would be so good. Detailed examples of how the VA really works.

Unfortunately, I also think the VA would try hard to dismiss it as fake or anecdotal.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va, @91Veteran – As for me, I don’t care what the statue of limitations may be that applies to the VA actions and behavior. This is one Federal Agency that needs to be reformed to establish a complete overhaul. And, the ones who have and still continue to cause the unnecessary pain and suffering of Veterans, should not be in any length of time, off the hook for their dangerous, premeditated, extreme deviant hostility towards the healthcare of Veterans, that are dependent in seeking help from the criminals that are employed by the VA. It’s time to really clean… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
@ANutterVet, my previous employer the va hates me to the point of threatening me when i worked at a specialized clinic. I worked with Veterans and worked in direct care, reports, analysis, whatever to keep a clinic working. Our clinic was the most efficient and effective in treatment in the service line, coordinating care and we did anything we could to help a Veteran and that was the wrong thing to do and we didn’t know that at the time. I do not have anything to do with the va anymore and i guess i was a threat to them.… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – I’m sorry for what these people did to you. You went through what is referred to as mobbing. My wife went through this as well, and after four years, she is only now getting a positive grip back into her life. It was bad. I watched her come home, and she was totally exhausted, and unsure of herself. They mobbed her on a daily basis. We lost our health insurance and was forced to cash in her retirement funds early, penalties included. My wife’s ex-employer until this present day is filled with corruption, nepotism, favoritism, bullying, and… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@91 Veteran, i would do that and i am presently putting another complaint together. If that opportunity arises to define problems or correct the problems or just my testimony, if that would help someone i am all for that.

Ex va
Ex va
@ANutterVet, the things i can’t get over is about is the loss of life. I have been trying to put that into God’s hands. There should be no statutes of limitations, like the criminal justice system. I just have been trusting God that is all i can do and keep doing the things He would want to be done. Bens’ blog and others humor helps others and the information shared gives me some hope. That is what i hope with this new leadership in the White House that change is coming. I hope we get to see it. Gitmo would… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
@ANutterVet, i apologize if i brought up bad issues for you and your wife when i wrote too much about myself. I shouldn’t have written all i did because i wasn’t thinking that it may hurt someone else with what i stated. Sorry, i was not thinking about others and it was selfish of me to do that. This stuff involves others and i feel awful about it all. Tried to stop abuses, but the system is so corrupt. I will keep trying because i owe others my life and that is what i believe God wants of me. I… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – Brother Ex va, you owe me no apology at all. When I read your post, I only took it as another Veteran, who cares about others, who informs Veterans of how the VA system truly works. Ex va, my wife and I do appreciate your thoughts, and this type of character says more about you then any expressed words. In no way shape or form was your post taken as being negative. It was you, only sharing what you know. We understand this, and there are no ill feelings on our end. Ex va, don’t be to… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

If you want to see a blatant example of dirty science, do some research on the Research Advisory Committee.

If I recall correctly, this committee was a veterans health committee that was mandated by congress to look into and fund independent research studies for all veterans.

I believe the Research Advisory Committee did some amazing work for veterans, and the VA decided they couldn’t have sound science proving what veterans had claimed for years.

Ben might have more details on this, but I believe the VA essentially re-wrote the committee’s charter making them worthless, or nearly so.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – Thanks for letting me know about the Research Advisory Committee. I will definitely sink some time to evaluate this group. I never heard of them before. Learn something new every day. Thanks Brother.

Big Biz

In 1974-75 I was assigned to the. “Motor Pool”where the herbicides (agent orange) was maintained and transferred. At one point I actually had these chemicals all over my clothes & hands. These assignments were for 72-hrs per assignment. This went on for six(6) months. Should I be concerned about my current medical conditions i.e.diabetes type 2 as well as “high blood pressure”,cholesterol etc.???

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Big Biz – Here is a link for you to visit. “http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/conditions/”
Good like.

namnibor
namnibor

@Big Biz — Also, if you have not already checked-out another very informative website called “HADIT dot com”, it would behoove you to do so and use the search option to search specific topics pertaining to what Veterans before you or currently have for experience with VA. Tons of helpful folks and information over there as well. Learned everything I needed for filing both VA and SSDI Claims years ago and it’s still a great resource.
“http://community.hadit.com/#gsc.tab=0”

Ex va
Ex va

@Big Biz, diabetes type 2 is on list associated with exposure to AO. Go on to dept. of veterans affairs and bring up list for AO exposure.

namnibor
namnibor

Benjamin — Your site has done a few hick-ups in last 15 minutes, the numerical comment tally is now accounted for but it was back to normal 15 minutes ago then it became -0- and few more minutes back to regular count…FYI in-case this is what the VA has spent huge $$$ in upgrading their Public Affairs Hacking Dept…not so much the medical side of things?! 🙂 All is fine on my system at this end.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor , @Benjamin Krause, JD – I don’t trust these people. Ben, has there been any attempts to break into your database in order for the VA to find out the true identities of those posting on your site? On my end, I feel very comfortable with my privacy and security software. These people are ruthless. And, if I find out I’ve been tapped, this for sure with set me off more than ever. Thanks.

Ex va
Ex va

I have had problems with getting a blue screen at times. My security software is working and the only time i am getting problems is when i blog on this site. I having been doing my normal surfing the web and no problems. Someone is trying to hack this site i belief. They say if your hacked your hard drive starts spinning and will not stop. Haven’t experienced that yet, just weird coming on blog with screen not wanting to come up.

namnibor
namnibor
@ANutterVet — Part of that was my rather dark sardonic humor, with a good dose of paranoia for good measure. My security is great as well but as you well-know, nothing is 100% fool proof. As great as my own measures are in-practice, last Spring I was victim first time to identity theft. M/C zero liability reimbursed me after I had to jump through all kinds of hoops and file police report and fax documents. Interestingly, that account had *just* been changed to the new chip cards, which were supposedly safer…found out quite differently from the detective taking my report.… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Thanks for the reassurance. Like you I don’t trust these people. Not even as far as I can expel a heavy laden gaseous exchange, with thick vaporous characteristics that causes the swampy smell to linger. I’m going to jar this stuff and give it to my VA PCP’s for their birthday, labeling it as a breath of fresh air. When I hand it over to them, I’ll say honesty but sarcastically, “Thank you for your service.”

namnibor
namnibor

@ANutterVet — That would literally be “I Give A Shit In A Can”. 🙂

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – In a short period of time we’ll be able to compile a book that contains jokes and slogans for sale. You got laughing Namnibor. And dang nam it, the VA doesn’t give out Depends for these types of incidences. Laughing, coughing, peeing, and farting at same time. LCPFMAO Evidence Based Criteria.

Ex va
Ex va
@namnibor, @ANutterVet, the reason i would not put it past anyone of these Veteran employees is because Ben is probably has been a real pain in their side or other body part. Lol! Bens articles are informative and i think they really hate that. He has changed things for a lot of Veterans. We would probably be number two on list with are honest stories and giving advice and information on how to solve problems in the va system. They wouldn’t like it, can’t say it threatens their job security because the majority of the time they can get away… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, a little show of love and appreciation in a jar! That’s sweet!!LMAO!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – R U in need of some extra jars? I found out a way to bill both Veterans and Private Sector insurance companies. I learned it from a comptroller who still works at a VA Office. We do pretty well raking in some extra monies. I’m thinking about giving the information away to help other Veterans to get compensated because the VA will not pay them. I already found a supplier of GMO farmers who grow kidney beans that creates even more gas than regular kidney bean. And, Beano is ineffective in stopping the gas build up. The… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey y’all, Obama got away with blaming everything on Bush and the Russians.
Why don’t we blame this “hick-up” on Obama and all the libertard’s out there.
I think Ben will get it straightened out soon!

Dennis
Dennis
I remember 35 years ago when VA said no veterans except Operation Ranch Hand veterans were exposed to AO. Most of the country of S.Viet-Nam was sprayed with AO. Sec. of Defense McNamara and LBJ thought it was a good way to force the villagers out of the countryside and into the cities so they wouldn’t be feeding the insurgents, (Viet Cong) The whole damn country was contaminated with AO and everything grown and harvested over there now has dioxin in it. It takes about 100 years for dioxin to decay. VA saying that dioxin didn’t get into the inland… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Dennis – Aryl Hydrocarbon Receptor (AhR)- TCDD [Dioxin] has a half-life of approximately 8 years in humans, although at high concentrations, the elimination rate is enhanced by metabolism. The health effects of dioxins are mediated by their action on a cellular receptor, the aryl hydrocarbon receptor (AhR). “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_dibenzodioxins” If taken the liberty to list quite a few site about dioxin. Be prepared for science, and some are in laymen terms. I found these site to be a good starting point for research and to detoxify your body. Visit the following; “https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3463730/” “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryl_hydrocarbon_receptor” “https://www.hindawi.com/journals/sci/2016/7943495/” “https://bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12915-016-0240-y” “http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fimmu.2014.00458/full” “https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/279829/” “http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/” “http://naturalon.com/easiest-ways-detox-remove-pesticides-body/view-all/” “http://naturalsociety.com/how-to-detox-pesticides-body-7-ways/” “http://alsearsmd.com/2011/01/six-steps-to-a-pure-and-clean-body/”… Read more »
Van
Van

You can’t detox dioxin you were exposed to during Viet Nam. The damage was done long ago and it damages you at the cell level. Dioxin only breaks down under ideal conditions.
Everything you want to know about dioxin is in the dioxin reassessment, I believe about 1994 or there abouts. There’s also a newer one that came out in early 2000. We’ve known of the dangers of 2,3,7,8TCDD for a very long time, long before we used it in Viet Nam and around the world.

Van
Van

That was the Reagan admin that said that. They proved it by altering the science surrounding dioxin. The Ranch hand study is a fraud for the most part. Then to add insult to injury Reagan fixed the AO lawsuit on behalf of the corporations, sticking it to exposed vets.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Here’s an interesting article out from, “NewsMax.com” today titled; “Trump Signs Executive Order on Federal Hiring Freeze” Not only that, he’s also stopped “wage increase(s)! _____________ Also, from “Political Madness” is this video titled; “Federal Government Employees Relocating: Jason Chaffetz “Why Are They In Washington???” Jan 23, 2017 (2:23 minutes long) He’s submitted a bill to relocate many of the agencies. According to Rep. Chaffetz, taxpayers are billed tens of BILLION’s of dollars each year to “house”, (private residence and business offices), the employees in Washington. His theory is to spread the wealth around the country. Sounds reasonable. _____________ Here’s… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf,

Did you happen to hear about the following. Nuke was launched toward Washington via Sub just off the east coast. During the time Brexit was being considered and voted upon.

From RT: ” Fallon dodges questions on whether Britain fired a Trident nuke missile towards US
Published time: 23 Jan, 2017″
“https://www.rt.com/uk/374776-labour-snp-trident-malfunction/”

From BBC: “Trident: Defence Secretary refuses to give test missile details”
“http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38714047”

“Theresa May refuses to say whether she was aware of ‘Trident nuclear missile failure”
“http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/22/theresa-may-refuses-say-whether-aware-trident-nuclear-missile/”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Yea, I heard about that. Only I read where it was headed towards Florida.
At least it wasn’t armed!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

She’s got “…a lot of ‘splanin’ to do!”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I like how they will not give any details except to claim that it was not armed.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Right about the time Obama was off playing golf in Hawaii and Hillary was spending her time in McCain’s state of Arizona.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Of Course that is also about the time all the Presstitutes where pushing rhetoric on North Korea’s successful test of a Submarine launched missile.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Also about the time that the FBI was deciding not to indite Hillary and Bill Clinton was holding his meeting on the runway.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
“Abandon EU Army plans or lose US Nato support, Trump ‘orders’ Brussels”, 01/23/2017 “LONDON/WASHINGTON – Months after calling the Belgian capital city “a hellhole”, US President Donald Trump is expected to demand from Brussels to abandon its plans for an EU Army if it wants the US to continue its support for Nato. Senior British officers serving at the Pentagon have been briefed that one of the new administration’s top priorities will be to “sweep away” plans championed by Germany and France, a British daily reported quoting its sources as saying. “We have been told quite clearly that, in an… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Also shortly after the incident David Cameron resigned as Prime Minister.

91Veteran
91Veteran
I dunno if I am understanding this correctly. The VA screws up in interpreting a law, so rather than congress explaining common sense to the VA, congress is proposing a new law? I suppose if the VA needs things in black and white so they can appropriately care for veterans…so be it. Why is it though the VA needs it spelled out exactly what congress intended? They manage to always find the gray area when it comes to a question of rehiring a director who committed T&A fraud. They find the gray area when allowing directors to steal thousands in… Read more »
Van
Van
PAYGO was passed in 2010. Until congress gives the Sec of the DVA the power to fire these people they won’t be going anywhere. When Shinseki came in he wanted to replace many of the good ole boys but congress wouldn’t act. They have underfunded the DVA to the point of where some of the VAMC’s are failing. The repubs want to privatize it. The infrastructure of the VA is getting bad just like the infrastructure of our country. But the VA still provides excellent healthcare for the most part. I live in Nevada and we have a good VAMC… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Rather than come on here spewing your leftist bullshit why not go back to ThinkProgress where nobody will check your lies. Its an easy search to see that PAYGO was first enacted in 1990. 2010 was when Obama signed those PAYGO rules into law. As for underfunding and Dingy Harry…he finally no longer defiles congress with his presence, which is certainly good for the country. The VA has not and will never be underfunded as long as they have money for bonuses, projected at around $180 million this year, hiring 127 interior designers full time and millions for art projects.… Read more »
Van
Van

PAYGO expired in 2002 the same year as the benefits were taken away from Bluewater vets. The PAYGO law we’ve been discussing as it pertains to Bluewater was passed in2010, but I can see you have a hard time following the subject matter. When people resort to demeaning or denigrating remarks it shows they have no knowledge of the subject matter, that’s why they resort to name calling, it’s all they know. You are a perfect example of what has gone wrong in our country.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Your reply to mine about PAYGO being passed in 2010 is easily taken to mean it did not exist prior to then.

Your writing clarity needs serious improvement, as does your honesty.

namnibor
namnibor

Especially when Obama allocated a chunk of Choice $$$ for Syrian Refugees, which is an open checkbook to all those in Northern Africa that are just leaving to leave…instead of Veterans receiving true non-bullshit ‘Choice’, and with no expectation of a PAYGO offset on that one either. That’s but one recent example of seeing and smelling through what’s really going on.
The VA simply picks and chooses what laws and regs they want to follow…for that moment. Out of control and rogue, the VA.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@91Veteran & namnibor,
Don’t forget about how Congress, usually without anyone knowing until afterwards, passes THEIR pay increases.
Or, how about giving free medical, housing, food allotments etc. to the illegal immigrants crossing the borders unannounced!
The VA surely does “…pick and choose what laws and regs…” they want to follow. We see that on almost a daily basis!

Dr. Robert Laity
Dr. Robert Laity

Agent Orange was sprayed not only at the DMZ but also on Nike Bases in Korea during the Vietnam Era. Those veterans should be and must be covered.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dr. Robert Laity – I totally agree Brother. No matter where this carcinogenic material was sprayed, if our Government had a hand in dispersing this herbicide, then yes, all Veterans should be covered.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Replace the word “if” with “since.”

Nancy Lynch
Nancy Lynch
I lost my husband in 2011 due to AO lung cancer. He was in Nam in 70. He was in the 25th Inf., 4/23rd. He was sprayed and lived in the AO area the whole time he was there. He was 100% disabled due to his exposure. Just before he died, he took our daughter to sign up for compensation for Chiari Malformation which is a form of Spina Bifida. She has had 14 brain surgeries to date, there is nothing more than can do for her. We have been waiting over 5 yrs for an answer to her filing… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Nancy Lynch – I’m so sorry for what the VA is putting you and your family through. I realize your frustrations, and please keep revisiting Ben’s Blog. Most Veterans realize or they are going through issues that also affect-effect their loved ones, friends, and service animals. Your not forgotten my Sister. Also, make sure when you post, that you check off the box(es) below the Post Comment button. In this way, you’ll be notified when someone submits a comment to your post. Thank you for standing by your husband during his battles in which the VA refused to do so.… Read more »
cj
cj
@Nancy Lynch: I am truly sorry for your loss, and the troubles you are facing. There are no words to describe the disgust I have for the V.A. for what they are putting you through. I agree 100% that the children of AO veterans, should be receiving the help they NEED. Billions wasted on Iran, and so many other things. It is beyond disgusting, to deny the child of a veteran, the help they deserve. No parent should suffer as you have, 14 brain surgeries……………….my God, I can’t even imagine the pain your family has had to endure. Yes, God… Read more »
Van
Van
Nothing can be done for the children of vets exposed to an herbicide agent containing dioxin until congress sees fit to compensate them. They’re the ones holding things up not the VA. The VA can only do what congress directs them to do by law. Congress holds the purse strings and they’re the legislating part of our government. The money for vets and their children can be found very easily. Cancel the F-35 project that is projected to be 1 trillion dollars over budget for the life of the program. Look the deal has always been those of us who… Read more »
wilson j. spurlin
all the v.a. isdoinging is wainting ror vetrans to die then thay say opps. they chase a vets paper work in circles. as far as the present v.a. persenal start at the top firing people to thr bottom. we went through hell ande they dont give a crap. in 1958 i loaded AO on aka io4 andelivered it to the french in indo china /vietnam this waqs done at buckner bay okinawa. the vietnam/laos/ cambodia/war started on first november 1955 stoped 3 april 1975 with the fall of sigon. this was all mil. involvment. check the records let the clowns… Read more »
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