Shulkin VHA Leadership Did Not Curb Whistleblower Retaliation

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Shulkin VA Whistleblower

A new whistleblower from Phoenix VA maintains whistleblower retaliation remains largely unchanged under VHA Under Secretary David Shulkin.

That whistleblower, scheduling manager Kuauhtemoc Rodriguez, informed the Office of Special Counsel (OSC) that at least 215 veterans died while waiting for care at Phoenix VA.

Rodriguez, a combat veteran, apparently conducted his own investigation into the VA wait list scandal, and his findings landed him into hot water with his bosses.

Ongoing Whistleblower Harassment

Rodriguez, a combat veteran, conducted his own investigation into the VA wait list scandal, and his findings landed him in hot water with his bosses.

“As an Iraq veteran, it makes me feel like dirt that bureaucratic civilians who’ve never served this country are abusing vets like me, and killing vets who are defenseless because they’re ill,” said Rodriguez. “They know the price of freedom and the VA abuses that, and benefits off the backs of veterans.”

After reporting his complaint about continued wait list problems to the VA Office of Inspector General (IG), Rodriguez reported that IG leaked his complaint by email to his bosses. The unlawful leak resulted in him being put under surveillance.”They grilled me for four hours in a [VA investigatory] board. I was in the military and had to deal with the CIA once and that only took me an hour,” Rodriguez reported.

“They grilled me for four hours in a [VA investigatory] board. I was in the military and had to deal with the CIA once and that only took me an hour,” Rodriguez reported.

Phoenix VA apparently thought his complaint about a continued wait list scandal and whistleblower harassment warranted additional intimidation.

Phoenix VA Whistleblower Harassment

Problems at Phoenix VA have now spanned three VA secretaries since their exposure in the press by CNN in April 2014. Almost three years later, the problems persist.

Now, the head of the VA Health Administration (VHA), David Shulkin, will lead the entire agency as Secretary if confirmed next month.

Almost three years ago, CNN exposed a massive scandal spanning over one decade where VA employees were actively engaged in fraud. The fraud involved manipulating health appointment schedules to artificially improve performance numbers to receive higher bonuses.

Those fraudulent bonuses were paid by American taxpayers. No VA employees were prosecuted in relation to the fraud, though a few were pushed to retire or prosecuted for other reasons.

Since then, Phoenix VA has been under intense public pressure as a steady trickle of whistleblowers leak scandal after scandal from the facility.

Despite this pressure, veterans are still being defrauded out of access to health care services while whistleblowers exposing the continued fraud are harassed.

Rodriguez, an Iraq War veteran, is supremely disappointed, “I’ve been in combat in Iraq and to have to come home and deal with this?”

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whistleblowers-claim-retaliation-revealing-va-horrors-n707996

J
J

Shut down the VA and give every vet a Medicare card. No President will solve the problem. The only way to solve the VA problem is to give vets as many ways around the VA as possible.

VAISLYING INC
VA DEATHCARE US TAX PAYERS JUST PUTTING NEW LIPSTICK ON VA FAT NASTY PIG POTUS SHUT THE WHOLE VA PIGDTY A2 give all vouchers asap ythe va is the titanic just let the va sink asap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Craig Womer
Craig Womer

Choice card program works for me. I got open heart surgery saved my life in less than 30 days. Work the system. CHOICE 866 606 8198.

Ex va
Ex va

@ Craig Womer, glad to hear that you received good and timely care from choice program. I wish everyone could receive that type of care. Glad it saved your life. 🙂

Craig Womer
Craig Womer

I’ve been following Disabled Veterans for years now. This is a great resource to follow.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
@Graig Womer, I’m also glad you received timely healthcare through the Choice Program. And, that you received a favorable outcome! Here’s a couple of questions for you, and many others out there. 1) “Out of all the veterans who have requested to use “Choice”, How many were actually granted permission?” Also——- “Once granted that permission, and after using the ‘Choice Program’, how many veterans got “stuck with the bill”?” I believe, *IF* a truthful investigation were done, the answers would… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
I hate to hear that whistleblowers are still being retaliated against for reporting criminal activity and wrongdoing by va administrators.. As a va employee you are to report crimes to vaoig or a medical center director in some medical centers. I believe they want you to report it so they can paint a target on you. I hate to hear this article of retaliation because that means it is business as usual in the va medical care system. It disgusts… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

When you worked for the VA, did you ever hear of the No FEAR Act? Ever get training on it? It’s a law passed by Congress in 2002 that is supposed to improve protection for whistle blowers or those reporting wrong doing.

If you look it up online, it says federal agencies are supposed to provide training to everyone on this law. I’m curious how many actually get the training…or even know about it.

Ex va
Ex va
@91Veteran, i heard of it, we had so many training modules to do every year it was probably in the mix. I will look for some evidence if i did or did not. Thank you for reminding me or it, i am working on somethings and taking it to a different avenue, hope to report about it here if successful. It is disgraceful their conduct and negligence about the majority of operations and how they treat someone who reports it.… Read more »
cj
cj

To all veterans……….. This veterans wife is hurting, please show your love now.

Lisa a January 31, 2017 at 12:43 am

My husband did not take the survey because he died waiting on treatment.

“http://www.disabledveterans.org/2017/01/20/veterans-not-better-off-obama-says-majority-surveyed/#comment-43825”

Ex va
Ex va
@ cj, thank you for seeing the post about Lisa. So sad. I prayed for her, this is so upsetting. So disgusted with va. Right words are hard to say about this because i don’t think there are any for something like this. This va reality is so ********* up. This madness needs to stop NOW!!!! So angry about all of it!!! How dare they get to play with people’s lives. They are asking for judgement, and they may receive… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – You’re totally correct. How uncompassionate can you get. A disgrace to our Brother and his family. Really ticks me off. I shared with my that I feel like I’m going to snap. They can kiss off. VA treats us and our families worse than, . . . it makes me mad. Need to hit the sack, or hit something. My muscles are shaking and I’m getting spasms. Time to chime out. Continue the justified ranting. Night all.

Ex va
Ex va

@ ANutterVet, sleep well. God bless

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
Ask Shulkin about this one taking a job at NASA. She called the IG to probe Delaware. The biggest liar is Shulkin and McDonald who came to Wilmington. Invited by slimeball Carper and a crooked OIG who retaliates against whistleblowers for the exposure of Legionella, a dirty doctor and fake AIBs. The MSPB and EEOC are involved in the whistleblower take down scheme as well. I already embarrased the Delaware AUSA when her dumbass tried to file a motion to… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@CorpsmanUp!, @cj – Its true about the Wilmington VAMC. They even refer themselves as a full service medical facility. You know now what I’m dealing with. They’ve promised services, then acted like nothing was ever offered. With my PCP, I’ve been left our from a patient-doctor relationship. For me this doesn’t exist. And, the dirty science is of the charts. Since receiving care from this VA facility, my health has tremendously deteriorated. Shootz, my direct medical providers don’t even probe… Read more »
cj
cj

Absolutely criminal, I have no words for the disgust I feel after reading this article.

Jo3n
Jo3n
I no longer care how it gets done, but Veterans need to see Dr.’s today, maybe tomorrow, might be ok to wait a couple weeks. The VA serves none of these. It’s like a real bad prearranged marriage. I need a divorce, and decent medical, and mental health. I need a Dr. Not programmed to avoid conditions for… who cares what for.. ? I remember the contract. The VA is not living up to the contract I signed in 1968,… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

jo3n, The next time you go to the VA, look around for any posters showing the Patients Bill of Rights. It may be hard to find with the number of posters they have up insinuating all veterans are thieves stealing travel funds.

Everyone should look them up. Then ask themselves if any health care they receive at the VA resembles anything like what is in them.

Dennis
Dennis
Want to wager any guesses how many vets habe been placed under a DBC flag in that same time frame? For every VA whistleblowers persecuted by VA there must be at LEAST 100 vets tagged, flagged, and bagged by these traitors to America. My pity for VA folk burned by their own is tempered greatly with the knowledge that these scumbags are tossing out DBC flags like a rodeo parade tosses candy. I just cannot get around the idea in… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
It’s a “systemic problem” at the VA, meaning it’s become a CULTURE of corruption and no single VA Secretary will change this. It will take no less than completely banning the AFGE and Performance Bonus System. Give these hacks the “Jelly of The Month Club” gift and make them happy with burnt toast to eat it on and serve Veterans with a smile while doing so. Disgusting, Disappointed, & Disgruntled. Drain The Swamp Shuklin or….YOU ARE FIRED as quick as… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Yet Gibson just a month ago was whining to Congress about restoring their bonuses.

Lem
Lem

Health Net is in Phoenix?

namnibor
namnibor
“[The whole thing smells fishy,” Coleman said of VA probe into Rodriguez. “It is Phoenix VA leadership textbook 101 how they work harder to go after whistleblowers than they do in actually admitting to and fixing the problems we raise.]” ^That more than likely represents the systemic mess the entire VA is in. The VA Public Relations and OIG spend more time blowing pixy dust on problems and only when they become out in the wild beyond their own damage… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
Namnibor, I feel that I must point out to you something that your keen observation has missed. You speak of the VA OIG blowing pixey dust. Well, I suspect that they do indeed avail themselves of some good blow and likely up their noses in between child porn festivals (only in the OIG glass conference room), but I have always believed the devil hides in plain sight. So I went to the OIG website to see what they say abut… Read more »
R. Michael Maddox/SEABEE CAN DO
R. Michael Maddox/SEABEE CAN DO

The OIG NEVER finds ant credence in a VA employee doing wrong. Every prosecution they get is some Vet. or family member guilty of some sort of fraud. NEVER any evidence against ANY employee that is reported. Damndet thing I evefr saw.

91Veteran
91Veteran
If you are on Twitter, the VA OIG has a twitter account in which they release news of what they may be doing. It’s an interesting read, and would be interesting to see how many investigations that they have tweeted about resulted in prosecution for vets as opposed to prosecution for VA employees. A report they just tweeted about and released today is a review of the Choice program. “https://www.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-15-04673-333.pdf” $300 million was used by the VA to administer the… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@91Veteran, @Dennis – Many VA employees that are involved in disseminating information on the Choice Program fall short of properly informing Veterans. I was offered outside services that a provider no longer participated in the program. There are also many providers that don’t belong in the program anymore, due to discounted payments from the VA, and lengthy waiting times for payment of services. From my experience, even though it is another option for Veterans to receive medical care outside the… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
It’s time for the “Hammer of Justice” to come down on the VA. If Shulkin doesn’t do his duty within a very short time span, fire him. Replace with a person who will work with veterans, not VA employees! The union is a dinosaur. Do away with it. “Songbird” McCain is a useless piece of garbage. How he was re-elected is beyond my comprehension. It must make him proud to know this all happened on his watch. There’s not really… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s something I forgot to mention.
Rodriquez said “215 veterans died” while waiting.
The VA said, in the MSM article, ONLY “118 died”!
So, I guess it’s OK to “kill” veterans, no matter what the actual numbers are!
Let’s be clear here. It doesn’t matter what the numbers are, MURDER IS MURDER! Using the word “KILL” doesn’t make the problem less palatable!
These people, from director to the lowest clerk IS responsible for this. They need to be held accountable.

Rant over for now!

91Veteran
91Veteran

But, McCain wrote a letter! It seems you picked up on the same thing I did…that only 118 was somehow an improvement.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – Shootz, they were only off by around 45%. That’s not too bad considering. And, I agree, murder is murder. McCain. Even though its not possible, I expect more from a Veteran. Especially if they are a politician.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

For All – FYI- The below link will allow you to do a specific search of Office of Internal General’s reports about your VA Medical Center. The site listed below, also offers filters that may be applied while searching for reports.

“https://www.va.gov/oig/apps/info/OversightReports.aspx”

NiteWish
NiteWish
ANutterVet, I spent a number of hrs looking over those reports. VA’s Drug-Free Workplace Program is not working & the cost to drug test employees in 2013 was $1.4 million, they are supposed to test only 3,420 employees every year. I know that every veteran that goes to a VA has been drug tested, Veterans Arrested for Making Threats, VA employees stealing drugs, My clinic listed as a specialty in Gastroenterology but missed Crohn’s in my son, inappropriate destruction or… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@NiteWish – Yeah, I’ve only been recently exposed to the innards of the VA’s inefficient system. As a life scientist, it aggravates me to the core. You’d think that due to all of the so-called medical professionals and system processors in a facility, that all would go half way decent for us Veterans. I think we can accept some potholes that we run into in the path of trying to get something done. But my, not even the dang nam… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

The entire VA organization is like an experimental maze that the rats run around in. The rats quickly learn what floors not to touch and how many tugs at the lever it takes to dispense cheese. In the VA maze the rats are tasked wih picking which floors shock, where the cheese is at, and the rats themselves get to decide which researcher to dissect. What can science learn from this?

Answer: Rats get really fat and multiply quickly.

cj
cj
I have an appointment later today for an MRI of the lower and upper back. I also have, for almost a year and a half now been waiting on a decision for service connection TBI. Since nothing could have possibly have changed in my back, I am not feeling confortable about getting this MRi done. I feel as though it is a bogus request, that is being used to get pictures of my head instead, to gather information to use… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

compare your old MRI to your new one and look at what they omit , bet they use the new one on your decision

cj
cj
I also filled a complaint against my pcp in the same complaint, then I was given a new pcp and told my old pcp was no longer seeing patients. She is now an administrator, is what I was told. I have only seen this new pcp once, his words were, “I have never seen anyone with this much damage to their back, and since you are taking Morphine, we need a new MRI, to justify continued use of Morphine”. I… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish
cj The MRI for my shoulders through Choice cost $4,402.00 because the radiology Inc. billed me. I sent the bill to R McDonald, TriWest, Choice & wrote the radiology to stop billing me. I could be paranoid but soon after I lost access to my primary dentist & the TMJ specialist. Retaliation? Yes I think so. Get a copy of the MRI from the place that takes it & compare it to the report VA gets & research those findings… Read more »
Lem
Lem
The reading software on MRIs that your primary care or neurologist or orthopod get to use are very inferior compared to what a contract neurosurgeon or radiologist use. A reading from a Medical School will be very different than one from the VA contractor. Obviously the contractor is a mill operation and pressured to downplay compensable conditions. The reading software that will be on your disc will be even more inferior. Only in Japan do all physicians have the best… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Also I sent my bill (smaller than yours) to a letter to the editor after the patient advocate refused to do anything about it explaining I was a veteran compensated at 70% and was supposed to be given all health care free of charge. The bill was paid by the billing office very quickly after the letter was published.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Lem, Last week I mailed out another set of letters from bills for a bone density scan & co-payment bills from a 2015 mammogram which VA had already paid & this time I left out mcdonald from the mailing list.

Lem
Lem
Did you put in Shulkin? It is on his side of the Office these bills are paid. Did you pre call on every appointment as required unless they were all ready listed as approved in your letter? Lot of fraud out there in civilian practice so some extreme elements are in the Choice authorization program. You can’t even get an ER bill paid unless you call and get it authorized first and when you call they tell you they can’t… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

Lem, All the tests were authorized in advance & it took months & I have no co-pay & I didn’t snail mail Shulkin. Its just so darn annoying.

cj
cj
@NiteWish: NiteWish, I will only have testing done at onsite V.A. facilities for service connected injuries only, and even then I get a copy for my own private doctors to evaluate. I never take the V.A.’s word for anything. Way to many veterans have lost their lives to the misconduct, and incompetence of the V.A. and it’s doctors. For everything not service connected I use Medicare, and go to my own doctors. Most veterans are not aware, and I am… Read more »
cj
cj

stand in front of anyone of you……………not your……………..sleepy time.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
@Ben, CorpsmanUp, ANutterVet, namnibor, Dennis and others. Why should our “so-called”, “ALLEGED” elected and appointed officials care one bit about us, they don’t use VA for anything. As a matter of fact, they made it, by law, so they wouldn’t even have to enroll in that bull shit Obamacare! That said, “WHY SHOULD THEY CARE?” It’s come out Congress, in both houses, can’t do anything to anyone in VA. Look at how many of those reprobates have laughed at Congress,… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Crazy elf – I hear exactly what you’re saying. And, they don’t take it at all seriously what are concerns are or what is bothering us. They don’t even respond to our requests in person, only by robotish [can I use this word] impersonal methods. They’ve been doing this for decades. And you know, if they wanted to make changes, they rapidly can if they wanted to. I need to watch myself, anxiety is making ripples in my body, mind,… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
I think you should go in for the exam, but excuse yourself to the restroom. Then poop in the wastebasket. Save it up from a good chilli dog feed the night before and heap on the chilli peppers. I vote personally that you toss down some cherry cheesecake followed by cheap burboun after you eat but you may be dieting. Make it a good heave-ho effort and let the movement of the bowels grace the wastebucket. Clean yourself up, then… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

@cj

Dennis
Dennis

There is no sin in fighting back damnit!!!

cj
cj

@Dennis: LOL, tooooo funny. Thank you for that.

ANutterVeet
ANutterVeet

@Dennis – You got me laughing. Thanks for the endorphin push.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Namnibor, @Seymore Klearly, @Crazy elf, @91Veteran, @Ex va, @cj – MK posted – Could you deal with the facts that i stated? or we got to hear about the childish names calling, Snowflake and talking about another mans asshole or trolls? Name calling will not stop me or any clear thinking person from being Critical of the Sociopath in charge. Maybe i may be asking too much from this Group. MK, I’ve not been able to think clearly, so I… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: I tried to respond, but only a couple hours sleep in the past five days, I am not thinking clearly either. I start out nice enough, but I just get angy as the response developes. Remember that episode of The Honeymooners, where Ralph is trying to record an appology to Alice onto a record? “SHE’S A BLABBERRRRRMOUTH Alice!!!”, so I just canceled my reply. I have an hour drive to the VAMC, I am tired, I am drugged up,… Read more »
cj
cj

Damn, looking at my last post, I didn’t mean to sound so grim. I am ok, just strung out is all. Nothing to worry about here.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I feel the same from being exhausted. But what I know about you, is that you are a fighter. Do your appointment, don’t let them take images of other areas. If they try to be slick, all that you need to do is to move, and get your body away from the MRI. Or, just constantly move your body all around. This will distort the images. I don’t trust them either. But your input and humor on Ben’s… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Your pisser. I even had my wife involved. Heart rate went up. This also tells me that you know what to do to those VA employees. Trying to LMAO.

cj
cj
@ANutterVet: Of course you wil hear back from me, Thank you for the advice. Now picture this if you will. I am laying in an MRI tube, rocking my head back and fourth, and saying, “kibbles and bits, kibbles and bits, I got to get me some kibbles and bits”, I wonder what kind of look I am going to get from the techs, when they pull me back out? Think they will offer me a treat an pat me… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I almost choked on my bite of sandwich. Look, in their minds, they already know they think somethings wrong. So when you do get off that table, get on all fours, then bite and shake their ankle, all the time growling like a ticked off Belgian shepherd or a badly treated pit bull. You’ll be out of their quicker than a corrupt VA employee making some side money, and plus, they don’t get those additional MRI images. Additional… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@cj — Some advice: I learned the hard way to *never* fart while in that MRI Tube…yes, there’s some air circulation in that tube but not nearly enough velocity to move a burrito bomb. 🙂

Dennis
Dennis

cj,

In all likelihoon when you start singing kibbles and bits the VA technicians will begin to salivate and wag their butts. Bring some milk bones because they can turn mean fast.

namnibor
namnibor

Wonder what would take place if you started singing the Hungry, Hungry Hippos song? Would they break-out into choreographed song and dance while placing metallic items into the running MRI machine for nifty sound effects? 🙂

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
With a VA OIG office that has for decades preformed nearly every investigation with blinders on and heavy use of white wash of any wrong doing by VA Staff. Each of the times their investigation turn up additional wrong doing it is always listed as not part of the scope of their investigation. So, no further investigation is performed. It is like the VA OIG office is only concerned about who they need to silence and what evidence they need… Read more »
cj
cj

Exactly!!!!

Ex va
Ex va

@ Seymore Klearly, you have it perfectly correct of the vaoig.

Chuck M
Chuck M
I happened to be in the CLC in Dallas Tx (Lancaster) VA from Nov 18 2016 until Jan 9 2017 and can say that a walk through inspection won’t cure the problem. The reason for being in the VA Hospital at all was due to the Choice Programs lack of doing what it was created for. I ended up getting an infection in a wound while waiting for the Choice Program to find a wound care aide for me. The… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Chuck M – I find it to be absurd, that Veterans who visit VA facilities offer more intelligent suggestions where changes are required, compared to VA employees and other overseers, that are responsible for the expected professional care and treatment of our beloved Brothers and Sisters in a VA Medical Center setting. It’s a disgrace, and its criminal.

namnibor
namnibor
The VA OIG will be the first to chime-in gleefully and state, “We at the OIG only IDENTIFY PROBLEMS at the VA, but never enforce existing laws on the books but rather, ONLY recommends to the VA to police themselves…and the vicious circle continues to churn, while Congress will take some of their valuable time AND taxpayer $$$ for multiple band aids to prop-up the initial law in the first place. Not even the VA OIG is held to accountability… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Namnibor – This is all common at all levels. I get the run-a-round even at the VA facility level. Its dirty ways seeps all through the system. No wonder Veterans [myself included] get very discouraged, frustrated, and feel that a system that is supposed to have my back and my best interests at heart, fails me miserably enough so that these people cruise so professionally that they get away with it. Its very tiresome when your dealing with medical issues… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

I talked to a vaoig agent personally and he told me that they were the ones who had the jurisdiction and prosecuted criminal activity. My experience is that they pick and choose who or whom the choose to prosecute. NO justice for criminal acts committed majority of the time in my opinion.

Jo3n
Jo3n
@cj, you seem to be much more patient than me. For years and years now I have been using humor to mask my anger. I hear it’s kinda common. There are too many bad things going on in the VA. Without the many anecdotes, provided by Ben, and the Veterans who follow this site, I’m quite sure that I would have lost it by now. Cj Sometimes, laughter is my only straw. God Bless the Veterans. And, SHUT DOWN THE… Read more »
james gallegos
The Phoenix VA, Is no different than many other facilities and they will not change. This Action by the OIG, proves they are with the VA and will Assist in attacking Veterans and protecting VA Employees. As Ben stated they have weathered different Secretaries. Its called the wait game, Its just like the Colorado weather, if you don’t like it, don’t worry it will change in 5 minutes. So just wait it out. The OIG will even tell the VA… Read more »
Warhorse
Warhorse

I salute and applaud Mr Rodriguez. When something needs done, ask a combat vet to accomplish the mission. I really hate the term “whistle blower”, especially when it comes to Mr Rodriguez. The man must’ve been one helluva NCO. A employee in the VA with balls, imagine that.

namnibor
namnibor
@Warhorse — I too, have never cared for the term ‘whistle blower’, but I try to look at it being applicable to the metaphoric V.A. Titanic and those whistle blowers are trying to save lives by alerting loudly when icebergs are spotted by the blowing of that deck whistle. It just works for me then I forget about the rather degrading term of whistle blower. I would much prefer term ‘Thistle Plower’. 🙂 (thistles in VA’s rear)
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