VA Privatization

Both Democrats and Republicans are fighting over whether VA should be outsourced all the while ignoring that VA is already largely outsourced to the private sector.

One of the major arguments raised by Democrats against President Donald Trump in the recent election was whether VA should be outsourced. The fly in the ointment is the reality VA has been largely outsourced for over two decades.

PoliFact evaluated the allegation against Donald Trump raised by opponent Hillary Clinton and found the allegation to be largely false. While Trump did support allowing veterans choice in selecting who provides them with healthcare, he did not actually support fully outsourcing VA as alleged.

PoliFact called the allegation mostly false. No one on the left paid attention and no one on the right asked the question about whether VA was already largely privatized to begin with.

That reality did not stop Senator Bernie Sanders from demanding answers about Trump’s supposed outsourcing (aka privatization) plan during the recent confirmation hearing of the future Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin.

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Real Deal On VA Privatization

An accurate assessment of privatization in the federal sector since the 90’s indicates most federal agencies worked hard to privatize certain portions of their respective workloads.

The Department of Veterans Affairs was no different.

Case in point were repeated questions from right and left wing Senators last week during the confirmation hearing.

They repeatedly asked Shulkin to promise to keep his agreements related to government contracts in their respective states, and Shulkin reaffirmed his commitment to this form of outsourcing, while promising he would not privatize VA.

Why Claim VA Is Not Privatized?

So how can VA not be “privatized” while many of its essential core business requirements continue to be “outsourced”?

The answer is, VA has largely been privatized already and likely employs more government contractors than union employees to complete its business requirements.

A recent article about VA’s infrastructure is an example. VA does not even own its own infrastructure, according to an article on point.

The Union Leader On Being Outsourced

Just last week, the Union Leader published an article about government contractors in New Hampshire. BAE Systems earned $1.6 billion for its government contractor business in just that state last year.

Another company mentioned was Red River Computer Co., Inc., the second largest receiving of federal contracts in New Hampshire.

As an IT solutions company, Red River provides on-site date storage for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

According to Dan McGee, company president, “We own the infrastructure for the VA, and we charge them back for their utilization of the capacity they use.”

That is right.

Not only does VA not own its “own” IT infrastructure, but it has to pay a private company whenever it utilizes its own data. Meaning, VA likely pays Red River to access our own data when prividing us with services.

How do you like that?

This is just one of many examples of companies charging VA for services it used to provide itself when conducting usual business practices.

QTC Management conducts disability compensation examinations that VA used to provide. Affiliated Computer Services and Kodak have performed a great number of scanning services related to digitizing VA disability files.

Companies like Sterling manage numerous VA CBOC facilities that provide healthcare services in rural parts of the United States. State universities provide many of the doctors and residents who treat veterans with or without their knowledge as contractors.

So what is it again that VA does not outsource already? I would like to see a comparison of outsourced services versus in-house services.

Many of the services VA provides in-house, now, it cannot provide without help from the private sector.

It’s time we call a spade a spade.

VA was outsourced decades ago under Clinton. That outsourcing forced VA to become dependent on contractors. Now, contractors provide tens of billions in taxpayer billed services for things VA no longer provides.

When politicians toss the notion of VA outsourcing around like a political football in future elections, it is import to highlight that VA is already largely outsourced as it is. And, it was the Democrats who did it.

RELATED: Clinton Claim On Privatization ‘Mostly False’

The PoliFact Oversight

While PolitFact called the Clinton allegation mostly false, it did so without considering the fact that the Clinton’s were largely responsible for the outsourcing to private business that has already taken place.

There is a bigger question than, “Does Donald Trump intend to privatize VA?”

That question is, “What parts of VA have not already been privatized?”

Some readers probably think VA should be totally privatized, but there are some very real issues to consider. My concern deals with access to business records.

Private companies do not owe the higher level of transparency owed by federal agencies, and that is required of federal companies. That is a big reason many CIA intelligence firms were created under private business frameworks despite using federal money.

The records are hard if not impossible to acquire, and government oversight is completely in the dark when that happens.

Source: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20170205/NEWS02/170209606/0/mobile?template=mobileart

Warhorse
Warhorse

Fly in the ointment is to PC Ben. How about……. shit in the listerbag.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Bathing in the water buffalo.

VAISLYING

VA ONE BIG BIG FEDERAL RICO CRIME RACKET RUN BY @ FOR AFGE UNION CONTREACTS POTUS WHEN YO GOING TO DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lem
Lem
And too many of the contracts are not enforced. Payment for substandard productivity. Case in point. I just received a copy (hard copy) of my “Virtual VA Documents” and “e-folder”. Requested was a copy of my hard copy medical file from the Medical Division archived by a private contractor. The Virtual Documents are from a half a dozen systems. To get my medical file I’ll have to call the OIG Hotline, write my congressman and a letter to the editor… Read more »
cj
cj
@Lem: What you have so eloquently laid out in detail, is correct. One thing that has always bothered me about this entire process, is how they expect people with PTSD, TBI, SEVERE DEPRESSION, MEMORY LOSS, etc, to be able to coherently respond in writing. You have MANY veterans on meds that render their comprehension to be just about non existent. I think they count on this to confuse and trip up many veterans. I can’t tell you the amount of… Read more »
Lem
Lem

As I said in a post on another article. It is not about the money. It is about who gets the money. And obviously the more the better to the right contractor. So don’t expect expedient service because the contracts are fee based. The more letters you write, the more copies they put out, the more the contractors get paid on their unsupervised contracts. Where is the GAO? (General Accounting Office)

91Veteran
91Veteran
Lem, it appears to me the GAO went to sleep about the same time as agency IGs did…roughly Jan. 21, 2009. The GAO might not perk up anytime soon since they often operate at the request of some congressman or senator…just depends on any of them having the guts to air dirty laundry, and whether they can avoid getting any stink on themselves. If all the right contractors are being paid, the GAO might be like the Maytag repairman. Lonely… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – CD’s and flash drives costs have dropped substantially. Like you said, they’d be better off sending info on these.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I’ve noticed something during the “confirmation hearings” of possible appointees. Some questions arise concerning “stock or share holdings” by the appointees.
I wonder, how many of our elected and appointed officials have stock, bonds and/or share holdings in these companies? The answers might surprise us all.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

how do you think they come out of office with full pockets they are exempt from insider trading

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@OLD MARINE
I know that’s how they rock. I was being sarcastic.
There’s definitely a lot of SWAMP to DRAIN!

namnibor
namnibor

Even the toilet paper and other paper products are all subcontracted with the VA…only thing missing is a contractor willing to wipe their butthurt snowflake asses for them (sorry, no Veteran’s asses are included in the operation wipe clean subcontract but part time Veterans *may* be required to wipe the candy asses of VA subcontractors) 🙂

Don Avant
Don Avant

LMAO

namnibor
namnibor

The VA wants to go paperless. IBM’s Watson and The RAND Corp. agree that digital asswipe would save the VA considerable money. No handshaking now unless the contractor is hired to wash your hands. Until then, RAND recommends no handshaking or use of medical devices in non-human test subjects called Veterans. VAOIG agree with super-secret handshake.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Namnibor, @Crazy elf, @Lem, @Don Avant, @Warhorse, @OLDMARINE, @cj, @Ex va, @91Veteran – I just formed an new identity, “Anal Wipers for Butthurters.” And guess what, it is 100% Veteran owned. Looking for VA contracts to make millions w/o any oversights, so to make more millions, and never having to ask questions from any one, in order to keep the millions rolling in. Employment Experience Required; using hands to operate the Anal Butt Wiper Pro and Anal Butt Wiper Pro… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

shootz, hangover of long night thoughts from last night. Should be “never having to answer questions from anyone, . . .”

91Veteran
91Veteran
I commented earlier about waiting for my PCP appointment. For some reason it didn’t post. I’m amazed at how fast the VA can move to fix their screw up after Trump was elected. After an email about 5 days ago and several phone calls Friday about the VA completely dropping my care, I am waiting for a PCP appointment on Monday. As for Ben’s post. Its so nice to see Congress more concerned about contractors in their district staying on… Read more »
cj
cj
@91 Veteran: I have been going to the VAMC for about 43 years now. About 5 years ago, I received in the mail a letter saying I was no longer eligible for V.A. benefits. I took the letter in and was told “that is right, you are no longer eligible. You should leave the facility, and never come back” I got my congressman (congressman Randy Hultgren) involved. The V.A. told him to piss off, and that is exactly what his… Read more »
Lem
Lem

You were found guilty of a felony? Like felony DUI? Lot of veterans don’t realize to keep your benefits you have to keep your nose clean. Any Jail time almost always results in loss of benefits. Takes a correction of the record which is difficult but not impossible to get them back. Your team should be able to help. Use PTSD as a reason.

cj
cj

@Lem: No sir, not been in any accidents. I was just stating what the end result would be if your were to get into an accident on the way to your appointment and someone was injured.

91Veteran
91Veteran
Cj, they were leaning that direction with me until I made it clear to more than one there that I wanted them to put it in writing that they were refusing care for my service connected conditions. The appointment was longer than usual this morning and more thorough which is good on both points. Better than being rushed in, talked to like a stranger off the street and shuffled out the door. What was interesting was I saw the PA… Read more »
cj
cj
@91 Veteran: Same exact shit, to this day they claim that the id machine is broken. First id same purple v. Next id normal id no mention of service connected priority, when asked about this they said “oh that isn’t on the new id’s” then I see online the same damn id with the service connected designation. Fucking liars everyone of them. I am glad neither of us take any bs from them. I can’t imagine how screwed over all… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
That’s one of the main reasons why I still go to the VA…to try fix problems as I encounter them for other vets. Its like trying to push a wet noodle uphill though. I can’t imagine the number of vets that encounter crap at their first VA appointment and decide to never go back. I got a little PO’d at my PCP this morning when she said I should just go outside the VA. I told her of the responsibility… Read more »
NagInfPO6
NagInfPO6

cj.
What specific law or regulation did they cite, giving them authority to stop treating you?

91Veteran
91Veteran
They never cited any law when they told me last week they might not be able to continue seeing me. They tried to claim it would be some bullshit, conflict of interest for my PCP if I was seeing a PCP on the outside, then came to the VA for care. They talked a little about medication interactions from a drug the VA prescribes and one a mythical, outside PCP might provide. As if the VA has always been concerned… Read more »
Lem
Lem
Judging from my local VA it appears the VA is trying to badger us into coming back. I received a call today from the “mobile clinic” trying to set up an appointment or I wouldn’t be able to get the “mobile clinic” physician to sign off on my prescriptions. I’ll drop in to the Administrative offices on the 14th and let someone know why I don’t trust that particular “mobile clinic” tele video physician to suggest decisions about my health… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – Your receiving Clinical Video Tele Health [CVT] services from a mobile clinic? I was informed that the VA doesn’t have the capabilities to do so. What mobile facility is offering this service to you? Man, these people run Veterans into all sorts of well designed cul de sacs [circles].

Lem
Lem
Severely rural area VAs. There are two VAs in Wyoming. One in the south east corner and one in the northwest corner. A couple of Clinics run by one physician with a nurse and intake person. Occasional visit by a VSO rep. The VA buys the trucks with Xray and lab equipment and a video connection to a physician mom stay at home. It is driven by a male nurse. Cheyenne has 2 trucks and purchasing another. One stays 2… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Lem – Thanks for letting me know. I’ve asked my PCP and Behavioral Health many times about Clinical Video Telehealth [CVT] many times. Especially after they offered the services to me, then they reneged on their offer. Now they keep saying, that the VA doesn’t have these capabilities. Dam, these people will lie their asses off. It again confirms, don’t trust these lying M – – – – r f – – – – – s. Only adding to the… Read more »
Lem
Lem
I made several calls this AM to VA phone numbers. Not a single wait time on calls. The lady (Patricia I think) at the Office of Communication in the Central Office was very helpful. And surprisingly, I had no wait time on calls to 800 827 1000 or the OIG 800 488 8244. (transferred from OIG) I will now look through all documents with references to other documents and make sure I have the referenced document in my file. Didn’t… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – I forgot to say thank you Brother. I got tied up in writing the post.

cj
cj
@NagInfPO6: No law or regulation was cited. Even when I showed them a letter from 82′ showing service connection, and the current us code stating their responsibility to treat. Also gave the congressman’s office a copy of the same letter with the us code on it. None of this made a difference. It took 2 years for me to shove their bs up their asses. Then when I tried to make an appointment with my pcp, they tried to say,… Read more »
cj
cj
@91 Veteran: I know we are different ends of the state, but it sure sounds like we have the same damn doctor except mine is a he and not a she. First time I saw this new one he also brought up my meds. He says your taking Morphine and Clonazepam together? Then he says no reputable doctor would ever script those together. I says really? well it was the f ing va the did the scripting!!!! I don’t think… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj, @91Veteran – If Clonazepam is helping you to reduce your anxiety or for seizures, don’t admit that your pain medication makes you drowsy or sleepy. If you do, this will be another Red Flag to the VA physician besides combining benzo’s with opiates. Tell them that Clonazepam gives you the best relieve. I’m in the same situation. Will inform if anything else comes up. I have appt. in about 10 days. As you know, they [VA] loves to make… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
For a long time, I’ve told the VA I never take anything stronger than Tylenol because I can’t tolerate NSAIDS, and it’s true with the exception of pain medicine they have me after surgery, and that Gabapentin. For a long time the VA tried to label Gulf War vets as having some kind of mental health disorder in seeking health care. I didn’t want them claiming I was a pill seeker too. It really doesn’t matter though since the VA… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – Make sure you tell you PCP that your conditions aren’t static but symptoms occur at all times. I’m sure you’ve probably expressed this, and most likely they could care less by not listening to a word you said. Be consistent. By labeling your conditions as static, this means that they aren’t consistently happening to you. Oh the games they play.

91Veteran
91Veteran
Cj, good luck with the PC. As for medications…my PCP said my prescription for Gabapentin was still valid, and she asked whether I was still taking it. We had talked about my service connected shoulder problem and if I felt any tingling. I explained what was happening. She seemed like she was going to suggest ordering that prescription to continue. I chuckled a little and figured her VA education should continue since shes still fairly new. I told her I… Read more »
cj
cj

Good eveninggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg Bens Post!!!!!!! It’s 9:19 and allllllllllllllllllllllllllllls wellllllllllllllllll…..

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Ladies and gentlemen, an example of chronic morphing. LOL R U up and running?

cj
cj
@ANutterVet, @91Veteran: Yes sir, up and running, Morphing real good. 91, I don’t know what is wrong with these damn doctors. It is none of their damn business if you see outside doctors……….we all do,or we all should. As far as them trying to place any lable on your concering mental health, do not let them do so. It could cost you your firearms. Fuck that noise. They always ask about depression right? I tell them, no troubles at all,… Read more »
cj
cj
I know this is off topic, but I think it is in the interest of many veterans. I remember reading that their is a group that will put together a nexus for your c+p. They can connect the dots for you so you can easily win your case. They are based out of the Tulsa Oklahoma VAMC. I could be wrong about that. If anyone here knows what I am talking about, please provide a link. I, and I’ll bet… Read more »
Lem
Lem

That is 20% of back pay not your future compensation.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – Know your type of claim; Direct VA Service Connection, Aggravated Pre-existing Condition, Presumptive Service Connection, or Secondary Service Connection. There may be others. I’ve just started to do some research on Claims & Pension [C & P]. Be prepared to be a little overwhelmed with all of the information that is available online. And, the types of connections may have changed or been revised. Take a breather when you feel your getting frustrated. The process plays on this… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: You are correct in the many variables. This group has access to all of your records, since they work out of the VAMC. This is the kind of service a V.A. should be providing veterans. They are well versed in the law, the process, and the b.s., they have a proven track record, and their success rate was out of this world. I am at a loss of how to find them again………………remember what I told you before? “sometimes… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I forgot to tell you. You don’t have shit for brains, you just have shit. Only razzing Brother. LOL You’re doing fine although I can only see by way of letters, words, sentences, and paragraphs. I ignore all the grammar, pronunciations. I know when you’re going through your morphing phases. And, since I and others understand, no worries about this. Need to Rant Out for a bit. I sometimes get wrapped up in post topics. Very soon, I… Read more »
cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Remember the movie The Green Berets? The little boy, Ham Chuck? Quoting Ham Chuck”Ha ha you funnyyyy”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Real quick chime in. Then I gotta resume in da research. I just don’t want to be in the situation where Ham Chuck says, when the choppers are landing, “Peterson, Peterson, Peterson, . . . .” As he is running to each chopper as they land.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I hear ya. Okay, I need to take a break as well. Will catch you soon.

Lem
Lem

You pay a VA attorney 20% maximum. The VA pays if you win at the CAVA level or higher.

cj
cj

@Lem: This group of people I was referring to charges a flat fee for most nexus letters……..I think it was between 50 and 100 dollars. More if it was a complicated case. They were highly recommended by many veterans. I just can’t remember where I read this information, and my search terms must be off, because google isn’t bringing up any relevant pages.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj, @Lem, @91Veteran, other Brothers – Need to take a short break. Got to order some controversial chemicals that VA is giving me a little bit of a hard time on. I’m pushing the envelope on a situation to help Veterans in a certain area. Details are sketchy, so I don’t want to get into any deeper. But, I can tell you, if I find the loophole(s) it can help a lot of Veterans. I’ve been a guinea pig for… Read more »
cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I hear ya. Be careful with your experiments, NO mishaps please.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – Mishaps are caused by the people that are supposed to be helping me to get better. I wonder who they are? I’m tired cj. Life is stagnant, other people trying to butt in and run your life when their life is fucked up, then the know-it-alls who have all the answers but will never say, “hey man, I’m concerned about you. I know you’re under a lot of stress. Listen, if you ever need me for when you’re… Read more »
cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Thank you, and the same applies to you. You know this.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Once again, I misread what you posted. I am with you on that.

Dennis
Dennis
Ben, Brilliant article. Nice work. You nailed it right on the head. You uncovered indirectly the true deception that take place and as usual the Devil hides in plain sight. What do I mean by that? What I mean is the very premise upon which VA was founded; Abraham Lincoln closed his second inaugural address with these words: “With malice toward none, with charity for all … let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
If the gov’t took charge of baking bread, Northrup and Boeing would have a huge contract to construct orbiting solar-focusing lenses to focus that solar energy into some liberal attempt at baking bread efficiently…after several communities and cities are completely vaporized by the unexpected bonus of the effectiveness of the array…which by then the bread baking is completely forgotten about in order to build the larger array that ends up being the end of civilization because they end-up inventing the… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
I must say as well that I call into question our new POTUS regards to his “incomplete” Executive Order. In that order he is forcing a new policy that requires government to get rid of gwo regulations affecting business for every one new regulation that is imposed. Simple, to the point, effective – but not far enough… I propose extending the order. For every one new VA supervisor hired, we fire two. Simple, to the point, effective. For every one… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

For every poop canon required activated, at least two must be on standby. Rules are rules. Kind of like “Thunderdome” rules.

Windguy
Windguy
The same thing that makes the VA decrepit institution is the same that makes Medicare, Transportation, Military procurement, Energy Dept, etc, etc, etc – Beltway Access. All of the companies that swung deals with the VA or any company that swings a deal with the Government is due to lobbying. Our economy and productivity is choking to death on “sweetheart” deals. Company X smells an opportunity, goes to Congressman’ Y’s staffers, they contrive a “special need”, write a bill or… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

LMAO! I hate those windy days when that flag flops about in there…mindful of my burrito intake these days. 🙂

Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran

Nicely put; and dead-on.

Dennis
Dennis

VA Banana Boat Aong
Copyright, Dennis, 2017

Dayo! Singing Dayyyyyyohhhhh.
Daylight cum an’ I wanna go hohohommmmme….
Dayyyyyohhhh! Singing Dayyyyohhhhh,
VA cum an’ I wanna go home.

Cum Mr. Talisman, tallies all the corpses,
Daylight cum an’ I wanna go home…
Cum Mr. Talisman, tallies all the corpses,
Daylight cum an’ I wanna go home!

Dayo! Singing Dayo! VA cum an I wanna go home.

(feel free to song along)

Windguy
Windguy

That’s a lot of spooge dude – perhaps you meant “come”… please?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Dennis – I couldn’t sing the song because of a condition called, cluttering. Now that the lyrics are copyrighted, you may want to think about submitting the song to the VA to be included in their Get Well Pamphlets. In this way, those Veterans who are in a VA Medical Center, can have their love ones sing it to them to scare the hell out of our Brothers and Sisters, so they will get well, and get to a safer… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

My mind always matches that song with one of my favorite movies; ‘Beetle Juice’, while knowing that song goes far back and that it has uses for the VA Witch Dr.’s to stack corpses…again Dennis, priceless! (Goth child here)

Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
I can see why parts of the VA Medical system were outsourced. Personally, the VA lost a third of my medical records in a fire in Saint Louis. No backups, no recovery, no accountability on their part. Just another case of their total incompetence. As for outsourcing medical exams, let me put it this way: (Short version) I was seen by no fewer than five VA doctors, including an ortho surgeon, at three different VA clinics, and put through a… Read more »
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran

And by the way, though Trump included in his campaign rhetoric that he was in favor of “Veteran’s Choice”; he has already begun to back down from those promises.

Dennis
Dennis

Most VA providers probably think the Mayo Clinic refers to deli item case stocked in the canteen from what I can see.

namnibor
namnibor

The VA certainly could not ‘mustard’ the skillset needed to ‘ketchup’ with the *real* medical world at the Mayo Clinic. To think there’s a VA witch dr. looking for the ‘clinical mayo’ is priceless.

steven g larson
steven g larson
I’m turning 66 in April,,, have a record since I left Viet Naum of PTSD ,,, somehow threw three mariages and children I don’t know and grandchildren,,, and have come to a life without no VA anylonger,,, though I’m 100 % disabled,,, and got it buy over 15 years of fighting and going into debt by over 350,000 and saying goodbuy to all I owned free and clear,,, and given into bankruptcy over 5 years ago,,, and no matter how… Read more »
cj
cj
@steven g larson: Buddy, I am telling you the truth when I say, I have read your words with heavy heart. Your non-treatment by the V.A. is criminal at it’s core. This country needs to start taking care of it’s own FIRST, before a single red cent is spent on illegals, refuges, or anyone else. Hiring schemes, to hire ellegals, and refugeies, before Americans. We have homeless veterans walking the streets, while those not of this country live in great… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@steven g Larsen, @cj – Brother you need a Veteran buddy. I’m not telling you what to do, but suggesting that you locate your nearest Vet Center, find out when they have meetings, and pop in and say; hey, I’m a Veteran, can someone help me? Instead of dealing with VA employees, you may find a seasoned Veteran that can and would be willing to help you with open arms. It’s good to trust in God, but some times God… Read more »
steven g larson
steven g larson
Sorry been there,,, to many times,,, many years ago no support or help back then,,, besides that to far to drive,,,,, I’m okay just living it out here,,,, I have seen so many different changes in 45 years,,, that it see if it sticks to the wall,,,, I had something that really wasn’t great but worked,,, but do to the scare of the hydrocodone ,,, everbody is an addict,,, believe me I understand this PTSD better then the doctors,,, or… Read more »
cj
cj
@steven g larson: I hear what your saying steven. It is just a shame none the less. I have never been in combat, so I couldn’t possibly know what you have been through. Your dealing with it in your own way. I just think it is shit, the way the v.a. has become, for the vary reasons you stated. We don’t care about spelling here, all that matters is we can understand what your trying to say. No spelling police… Read more »
js
js
VA should start doing cost assessments of these contracts. Many of the IT contracts are based on concepts that are so out of date its not funny. A billion dollars will provide them with specialists that can write thier own programs, interface more secure, and handle the volume required to get the job done ten fold nationwide. I would suggest the reason the whole thing cost so many billions can be answered by inquiring in which members of the elite… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

You mention IT security.

I found it interesting while sitting and waiting to get my VA ID card this morning, watching the guy log in to a computer, open Internet Explorer, see MSN dot com come up, then he clicked a couple links to get to some system so he could enter data and create my ID.

Nothing like having a system to create veteran ID cards, and information needed for them, traversing a public internet connection.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Very good article today… From what I take from the article, and the 40+years I’ve been forced to deal with the VA, and all of Ben’s blog and subsequent posts, the only possible, and humane thing to do, is to put the VA out of its misery. Give us Choice and shut the VA down. It’s too broken.

Lem
Lem
Sorry, Jo. I’m in Choice. Have a good PCP but they are few and far between. Choice physicians and clinics have to accept part b Medicare limits or you have to pay the difference. Which means you are in the realm of the DOJ’s suits that have recovered Billions in false billing. A cadilac health insurance policy is such because they don’t care. So expect unnecessary procedures. No matter where you go in the U S you are in U… Read more »
rick B
rick B

Does it really matter if the va is outsourced or not? I say so what… What matters is that veterans get the treatment they need… enough with pointing fingers…. make recommendations to improve the system and stop whining!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@rick B – If you’d would read through many posts, you’d come across a plethora of suggestions. You wouldn’t write them down or jump on board with the majority of your Brothers and Sisters in the first place. A lone imposter. And, why don’t you share in detail, why it doesn’t matter if the VA is or isn’t privatized? In your response, don’t forget to add your full contact information, such as; full name, address, previous addresses, birth date, SS… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@ANutterVet,
In my opinion, he’s here to start discontent among real veterans!
A fucking TROLL, and not a very good one at that!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – I know, that’s why I sarcastically called his bluff by an absurd request to post his personal information. Stanky swamp supporter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – Thanks for the backup Brother.

Lem
Lem

Maybe you are not reading clearly, rick. The out sourcing is making it worse. The change from medical scholarships to money changer student loans benefiting the outsourcing of training physicians deprives the VA of good physicians from the schools that are training and overseeing the students. All of the money going to the greedy is detrimental to the direct care of veterans. Short supply. Contracts that are not enforced, etc.

namnibor
namnibor
@Rick– Not okay. Outsourcing at the VA has made the systemic lackadaisical condescending swamp what it is today. The damn bureaucratic Vogons at the VA do less and less but always will create new ways to create life-sustaining paperwork *for* the Vogons. Get rid of the damn AFGE Union at the VA and now. Let’s send the AFGE Union over to the Conflicts/Wars in Middle East and let the enemy be infected with this stupidity…it would be just like a… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@Rick – – – Ever consider that if the VA were taking care of Veterans in the manner they have EARNED and DESERVE, they would be a lot less finger-pointing? Solutions? Here is one: The VA should start listening to Veterans, rather than coming up with new “pie in the sky” projects and studies that are doomed to fail from the beginning – – – and take money and healthcare away from those whom they purport to serve. The AFGE… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
I’ve been hearing something from numerous websites today. It concerns a Senator from Los Angeles, CA.! His name is “DeLeon”-(D-Ca)! I won’t call him “Mr.”, because he doesn’t deserve the respect. Y’all are probably wondering why I say that. Here’s the story. First, he’s one of those asswipes who introduced a bill to make California a “Sanctuary State”. Secondly, “under oath” recently, he stated; quote: “half [his] family is here illegally!” And, quote; “…under President Trump’s executive order they would… Read more »
Angela
Angela
H-1B VISAs account for 13% of American technology employment here in U.S. Sad….These foreigners just taking over our country with the liberals and major companies supporting it. Veterans and everyday working Americans getting crapped on. The liberals and Democrats are really unhinged and have lost their minds. If some unity does not to start to come about in this country, we are going to collapse. Then, stand by for another Venezuela. If unity does not start to happen, many lives… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor,
I smell TROLL!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – That’s it! My dam K9 is upset. She wants to rip off a trolls scrotum, then pick up the testicles by the vas deferens [plural noun: the duct that conveys sperm from the testicle to the urethra], and drop them into the deep fryer to cook. Then munch on them for a treat when the nads kool off. Yum, yum. She’s a man eater. “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYFKcMa_Ek”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
I was voted as the dazed psycho-sicko biologist during my college days. I’d get on the lab rats nerves trying to get them to loosen up a bit. Always pulling pranks on them, then notify the rest of the class, and then we’d sit back and watch them freak out. Hey, don’t think I goofed off all the time. I’m better than that. In all core classes we were required to use graduate school textbooks instead of undergraduate books. The… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@ANutterVet,
I got a better idea.
It’s what the Apache would do to their enemies.

First, Tie them to something spreading their legs apart on the ground.

Second, Build a fire between their legs.

Third, Cut their dick off and shove it in their mouth!

Forth, Let them scream!

Before it’s over, they will be calling out to die a merciful death. Let them suffer!

Of course, this is just a suggestion. Not meant to be actually carried out in real time! Just saying!!!!!!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – I’ll do it in a documentary to show how the Apache’s did it. We just need a volunteer after we drug ’em up. Only we will use Brand Name meds on them. Just saying to demonstrate historical events. At least we’d be teaching our young ones the truth. No societal re-engineering. Dumb fucks.

namnibor
namnibor

Or…to save on rope, simply bury them neck-deep right beside a fire ant hill and pour honey on head and forget…if in a pinch and fire ants are not in region, bees will always do as well. 🙂 Bee Happy!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf, @Namnibor, @91Veteran, @Angela, @Ex va, @Seymore Klearly – Anyone heard from Seymore? Haven’t seen him posting lately.

Kevin Deleon’s social media accounts;

“https://www.facebook.com/KevinDeLeonKDL”

“https://twitter.com/kdeleon”

91Veteran
91Veteran

I haven’t seen him comment in a few days.

For some reason I thought he was working on some research.

namnibor
namnibor

I thought same on a special project…or who knows, sometimes you just need a break from everything internet.

cj
cj

The time stamps on everyones posts are a bit confusing. I have never seen an open forum where it time stamps your post, with your local time. That is probably why the posts jump all over the page.

Angela
Angela
All this instability has been here all the time, the Trump administration is just standing up to it and confronting it with law and order with trying to eliminate corruption. As for the VA, I can’t go the VA, I now only have one provider left in the agency until things change. Crazy elf what is up with the troll comment? Who are you directing that comment to? As for the illegal immigrants and if these liberals and Democrats love… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Angela ,
Troll alert at “rick B”!

Angela
Angela

Oh yes.

Angela
Angela

@Crazy elf. Oh yes.

Jo3n
Jo3n
@Rick, what would you suggest? I listened to the Senators who questioned Dr. Shulkin, and listened to his answers. He had all the questions given to him before the questions. When it was over, it appears choice would run with Medicare. Pay wise. I’m having to do that anyway. My last heart attack was nearly fatal. Even though I am service connected for my heart, not once has any VA acknowledged a problem with MY heart. I’m having another problem,… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Angela – See rick B’s post above. It is not directed towards you. No worries.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Thanks Brother!
We got each other’s back, big time!!!!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – Roger that. Just took meds. Major flare up neck & lower back. Wrecking my thoughts, concentration, ambitions, life. Really getting pissed at so-called PCP’s at VA. F – – king Dogs!

cj
cj

Remember people, there are no stupid questions, just a lot of inquisitive idiots. And from what I gather, they are all working at the va. Here is some food for thought, somewhere is the worlds worse doctor, and tomorrow someone has an appointment to go see them. I believe this worlds worse doctor talks in broken English and is now working at a va near you.

cj
cj

@Ex va: Ex va, you awake still?

Jo3n
Jo3n

I went back over quite a few articles over the weekend. I gave up counting the atrocities committed by or for the VA. Most still not settled. I haven’t heard that accountability and consequences are going into effect. If this is going to be the same, ……..I mean hell, my claim goes back to 1999, and I haven’t had the first appeal hearing. What does patience mean to the VA? @Seymour; do hope that you are ok.

cj
cj

@Jo3n: Okay, who broke main? Nobody is talking………..the suspence is killing me.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I’m here waiting for meds to kick in. Stand by for a few. Wife is going to rub my back and neck to try relieve dam spasms.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Okay, In the meantime I’ll tell a story.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I just woke up. R U still up?

cj
cj

Okay, no story. lol

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