DOD EHR MHS Genesis

After spending $1 billion, DOD and VA decided to part ways after concluding neither organization plays nice with the other.

Initially, the plan was to create a unified electronic health record (EHR) system to allow seamless healthcare for veterans when they transition from military service. But the agencies could not figure out how to get their respective EHR systems to communicate.

In 2013, former Congressman Jeff Miller (R-Fl) chastised the agencies after they blew through $1 billion of $4 billion allocated to the project only to realize the efforts were wasted because they lacked coordination and direction.

RELATED: VA And DOD Blow $1 Billion With No Strategic Plan

After two years of failing to come up with a solution, the agencies broke up.

DOD Electronic Health Records System Rollout

Now, four years later, DOD just went live with its new EHR system called MHS Genesis at Fairchild Air Force Base new Spokane, Washington. DOD is scheduled to complete the rollout by 2022 to all locations.

“This morning, MHS Genesis became the single electronic health record (EHR) to document and manage care at Fairchild Air Force Base (AFB)! We achieved Go-Live!!” Stacy Cummings, DoD’s program executive officer for health care management systems, wrote in a memo to her staff last week.

“This is an exciting milestone for our team. We worked hard to get to our first IOC site, and I can report first hand from the command center that everything is going as expected. Providers at Fairchild are treating patients while the government and contractor team are quickly implementing fixes to issues as they are identified.”

EHR Government Contractors

Government contractors Accenture, Cerner and Leidos are providing the services and software for the transition under a $4.3 billion contract to provide an enhanced commercial solution developed by Cerner provided the system.

That contract covers 10 years, but can be extended to 18 years at a total value of $9 billion.

RELATED: Audit Shows Despite Billions In IT Spending, VA Still Needs IT Update

The trio beat out Epic, IBM and Impact Advisors, who were originally thought to be favorites for the contract.

Some insiders were not surprised by the outcome of the bid but at least one insider believes DOD will transition to Epic once they realize Cerner’s software is garbage, “Anecdotally, Cerner is garbage, and the DOD has admitted faulty software choices in the past. In five years, I expect they’ll be transitioning to Epic.”

RELATED: Electronic Health Record Quagmire, VA, DOD Still Can’t Share

The project was scheduled to go live before the end of 2016, but numerous security concerns resulted in the rollout being delayed for some time.

In August, a cybersecurity audit revealed 11,000 cyber vulnerabilities both within DOD’s existing system and the Genesis system. Most of the vulnerabilities were related to commercial software patches not being installed.

“The number of vulnerabilities identified by the [Defense Health Agency] during the Risk Assessment and independent verification and validation was larger than the program manager expected,” the report said. “The program manager developed a plan of action and milestones with mitigations to address the highest severity findings.”

Leidos informed DOD the most severe vulnerabilities would be resolved before December 31, 2016.

That aside, some in Congress remain concerned about DOD going its own way in developing a solution that will possibly be inoperable with the system VA is presently working toward.

Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), MD, Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, echoed concerns in 2015 regarding interoperability and usability, especially in the context of sharing records between DOD and the VA. “If we allow the DOD to put in a system that then can’t interconnect, that is not interoperable with other systems, that will be a big mistake,” he told The New York Times.

“If we have to go to the appropriations committee and cut the money off and get them to slow down and reassure us that this won’t be a big mess, that’s what we’ll do.”

Of course, it does not look like Chairman Roe’s concerns were heeded.

Sources:

http://federalnewsradio.com/dod-reporters-notebook-jared-serbu/2017/02/dod-mark-first-go-live-new-electronic-health-record/

http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/healthcare-information-technology/cerner-wins-dod-contract-to-modernize-military-health-records-10-things-to-know.html

John Minnick, J.D.
Cerner is “garbage”??? I am not a Cerner associate but I have followed the company closely since 1988 and have been favorably impressed with their growth and reputation. Please state why you believe that Cerner is “garbage”? In law school they teach that statements need to be supported by facts in order to draw a fair conclusion. You did not provide any facts to support your statement. Your comments would be appreciated since according to your bio you are also… Read more »
OLDMARINE

I have followed the company closely since 1988 and have been favorably impressed with their growth and reputation….. sounds like you own stock in that company and it would be a major WIN for you

namnibor

@John Minnick– Thanks for your dick head corporate attorney comment. Must be afraid your stock earnings may be affected by negative news? Helping Veterans or helping yourself much lately? Shakespeare was correct about *most* attorneys, not all, but most with same flavor of swamp water you wade in. If you are not helping you are part of the problem.

OLDMARINE

JOHN MINNICK is nothing more than a LAW CLERK I looked him up…do the paper shuffle JOHN

Dennis
Tell me sir precisely which law school you went to that erroneously teaches lawyers to support their statements wih facts in order to win judgements! You win judgements by supporting statements with inuendo, playing to the emotions of the jury, pointing fingers everywhere but your client, and ny obtaining successful orders to supress evidence that does not supprt your case. Look at your own post as an example – you did jot say “which” law school, you did not say… Read more »
cj

Here is the Lawfirm JD works at “http://www.lawsaia.com/about-the-firm” You will notice that the only picture of an employee who’s name starts with a J is the last picture. Isn’t he cuuuuuute???

namnibor

“J.D.” also can stand for Jurassic Dick.

cj

@namnibor: Are you saying he is trying to jack off a dinosaur?
JD: T-Rex stand till
T-Rex: Leave me alone Fool

91Veteran

John, I am not at all favorably impressed with your reading or comprehension skills. Re-read that section and you will see Ben was recounting what an insider said.

One would think SUNY Buffalo would teach their law students better reading skills.

OLDMARINE

The primary criticism, expressed in several mainstream media stories in the days leading up the announcement, was that the Pentagon was choosing between finalists that all offer clunky, old-school, client-server technology that would end up costing taxpayers more than it should….and this is from MEDCITY NEWS

OLDMARINE

do you want me to find more JOHN

OLDMARINE

take it from a 10th grade drop out with a PHD in common sense

OLDMARINE
Some analysts were skeptical that any of the bidders was up to the task. In the end, the Pentagon had a choice among three finalists who offered fairly mediocre systems for the price, said Ross Koppel, a professor of sociology at the University of Pennsylvania who studies health information technology. “All the systems are stunningly clunky, the interfaces are state of the art 15 years ago, the usability is far inferior to every other system of the modern era, and… Read more »
namnibor
The VA and the DOD have had a monumental Valentine’s Day breakup with their incompatible computer systems. The DOD preferred rich creamy chocolates, while the VA prefers those gourmet chocolate covered turds because the VA swamp water blends with them to form a rich gravy of turd slurry. I truly believe the VA went entirely out of their way to ensure they would not have that VA Kryptonite called Accountability, and it’s my theory the VA sabotaged it’s own progress… Read more »
OLDMARINE

just to obscure the VA Cookie Jar contents, nothing less…. I THOUGHT THE SAME THING

91Veteran

Nam, I don’t know if the VA intentionally screwed up this process, or if this was just another example of the VA hiring project managers from within.

You know, like have a construction manager with zero experience with large projects like the Aurora hospital.

Or dieticians working their way into a directors position at a hospital.

namnibor

@91Veteran– “[Or dieticians working their way into a directors position at a hospital.]”

They have to attain a certain circumference & mass as part of working their way into a director’s position so all they have to do is grab a bite of their lunch that’s in constant orbit around their gravitational field.

namnibor

That may very well be how congress critters remain on a stairmaster, all those pallets of printed US $ floating around their orbits keeping them stationary.

Lem
More likely the DOD contractor wanted the contract and eventually got it by undermining the effort from outside. And there was the difficulty of just marrying up the several different systems (check your document copies for which system they are from) within the VA. If you went from Sheridan to Cheyenne VA you were on two different computer systems. God only knows how many individual VA directors got kick backs to develop their own system. Easiest route would have been… Read more »
Crazy elf

Hey, John Minnick J.D. looks like “OLD MARINE” and “namnibor” just “nailed your hands and feet to the cross!”
And you call yourself a lawyer!?!??!
Like namnibor said, “If your not helping your part of the problem!”
The few times you’ve been on here, all you can do is complain about Ben’s “wording”! He backs up everything he writes.

Crazy elf
I’m also wondering. How much of that $180+ BILLION does the VA have left? I wonder this because, VA doesn’t have a very good record of keeping tabs on their expenditures! When was the last time they were audited? When was the last time VA, (as mandated by law) to turn in their “accounting expenditures” to Congress? Of course, we’re going to see a lot of bullshit from VA, they spend lots of taxpayers monies on shit they don’t need.… Read more »
namnibor
@Crazy elf — Yeah, rather than the VA working *with* the DOD to make a seamless system that *helps Vets*, the VA will be found in future months/years to have spent the $$ on Psych. Dept. research & development of “Mood Ring Toilet Seats”, where the electronic toilet seat reads your body functions then automatically drops required medications like a hamster feeder from above in the stall. This “Mood Ring Toilet Seat” will seamlessly integrate into the VA TelePsychMedicine Booths.… Read more »
Crazy elf
namnibor, Or, the VA will be caught purchasing more “large rocks” (to put in small ponds on VHA properties) to help veterans relax! Or, how about more “pictures” for thousands of taxpayers monies. Which could have been picked up at Wally World for a fraction of the cost. Or, how about more “lighted ‘Morse Code’ banners to parking lots for the blind! (This one really pissed me off)!!!!! Or, how about giving more “bonuses” to the incompetent VHA employees. This… Read more »
namnibor
@Crazy elf — Except the Energizer Bunny at least has the decency to stop his incessant banging-up of things when all out of power. The VA always, always says, “More Please, Sir”?, way before the cookie jar is depleted to keep the meat grinder churning…and a gaggle of interior designers to ensure the rear orifice of the meat grinder has color-changing ass cheeks and lighted runway carpet and walls leading-up to the meat grinder’s dump…then…next? May I please have another,… Read more »
namnibor

The DOD runs a much tighter ship than VA.

Crazy elf
From: “Military.com/Daily News” 1) titled: “New VA Secretary Urged to Push Hiring Freeze Exemptions” 15 Feb 2017 | by Richard Sisk He’s wanting to hire 37,000+! Quote: “[Robert] Snyder then issued [last month] his own memo listing the positions that could be exempted, ranging from medical officer and nurse to security guard and laundry worker!” 2) titled; “VA Disability Claims Backlog Grows Despite Paperless Fix” 14 Feb 2017 | by Richard Sisk It’s now standing at around 101,000! More B/S… Read more »
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
It won’t. It only gets worse, year after year because you can’t fire any of the employees. IMO, there’s only one solution: Veteran’s Choice. The way it works is each Veteran can get the healthcare they want and need from the provider of their choice, and the bill goes to the VA. Close all the VA medical facilities. Close the VA. Fold it into the Medicare system and move their hundreds of billions of dollars in budget money in the… Read more »
james gallegos
I was in contact with the VA specialist from senator’s Bennett’s office in Denver, I told her about the employee who falsely accused me of the Disruptive Behavior and that I had all the proof needed to prove what I was saying is Correct by the evidence. The specialist stated we can not do anything to any VA employee and can not make the VA change anything. I brought up the Holman Rule, at first she stated she did not… Read more »
91Veteran
James, I got a call from Bennets aide a couple days ago. About an inquiry I wanted his office to do last year. It seems his aide in another office just ignored many veteran contacts, and those were just passed on to this new aide to handle. I explained to her the inquiry was a moot issue because I had spent several months fighting the VA and eventually resolved the issue on my own. I also mentioned the smart remarks… Read more »
james gallegos

Do you remember who you spoke with at Bennett’s office. I just hope Bennett will vote yes on the Holman Rule. Don’t know if you see on the news where citizens out of Pueblo were protesting in Pueblo about Cory Gardner hiding from the people of his area.

Are you in South East Colorado. I am from La Junta.

91Veteran
James, I am in Grand Junction. The aide I spoke with was from Durango. Those protesting Gardner are paid protesters and they made the same stink here in Junction. Those protesters are trying to scare Gardner and others into not supporting Trumps agenda. The problem is, Gardner is such a weasel, he doesn’t need much scaring. Gardner deserves what he gets since he is so spineless. This protest, and others around the country, irritates the hell out of me because… Read more »
james gallegos
Sorry, but I am one of those protesting and I get paid 0. Our Senator’s are not listening to its citizens or Veterans and they need to be reminded that they work for us not the VA or special interest. They ignore their E-mails phone calls and then with Veterans having problems with the VA, will tell the Veteran we can not do anything if the VA hurts you. All of the Protesters I met are all citizens from Pueblo… Read more »
91Veteran
James, you miss my point, and the paid protesters is not a lie. In fact, if you go to the Drudge Report right now, there is a NY Post article linked about his OFA group having a training manual on how to disrupt their town hall meetings. My point against those protesters is if they show up simply to boo and raise hell and take up time on the microphone, how can any veteran get a chance to say anything… Read more »
james gallegos
a town hall meeting has not happened yet, they want to be heard and I will take the chance to stand up for veterans. If we do get a town meeting, I will try and speak to the senator, I will bring up the Holman Rule and ask it to be passed. I have come to the conclusion, that if we want anything done we have to pressure our elected officials to listen to us. They are ignoring all of… Read more »
Lem

So who do I sign up with 91? I need the money. $50/ hour sound real good to me right now. Or is that an alternate fact like McCains offer to pick lettuce for a season?

91Veteran

Lem, if you search craigslist, there are several ads in major cities looking for paid agitators.

$15 per hour and full benefits.

Lem

That is not $50 as stated by some on the news but better than nothing. Will take a look.

Wow! Trumpers are paying more!

Lem

Yeh! Enough I can even afford to travel to a Trump Rally! Who new the new politics. Thanks, 91. I’ll be able to eat a few months more.

Lem

Got a CD from St. Louis yesterday, supposedly of my HR. Nothing on it. wasn’t even formatted. Nice label though.

I thought there was a shift by the VA to DOD. The VA has a bunch of separate systems by region and is open to hacking. DOJ is integrated and has more resources to combat hacking. Best DOJ manage all of our HR including in the VA.

Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Went to get medical records from the Minneapolis VA Med Center a few years back. Told them to call me when ready and I’d pick them up. Weeks later, no call. Called them. They said they had mailed them. Spent days with the Postal Service tracking any such package. Futile. Lost. No way of knowing if they sent them in the first place. Employees at the counters don’t even know where to look or how to research the problem. Order… Read more »
Lem

The way it is now. Not the way it was in the 1970s except for the fire at St. Louis.

james gallegos

I know I have said this before. The only way we veterans will see Justice, is when the Senators vote on the Holman Rule and as many veterans as possible must contact their Senator’s in their district all over the country and request that they Vote Yes and make it Law.

It’s our only chance to help ourselves.

Lem

Check out VA online. My online changed to DOD months ago. Sorry about above DOJ should be DOD.

Crazy elf
Hey, “cj”, when you come on here today, check out these two videos! #1) titled: “Islam and Pedophiles Now Have Control of Europe” Dated: Feb 14, 2017 (9:09 min. long) From: “InfoWars.com” with links to verify! __________________________________ #2) titled: “Sanctuary City Sheriff Plans to Release Child Rapist After Arrest” Dated: Feb 15, 2017. (5:55 min. long) “Millie Weaver reporting” In the video, you’ll see where the main stream media is even disgusted with these two rapists! (NBC 74, FOX NEWS… Read more »
cj

@Crazy elf: You must be phycic……i spent hours last night looking into the mess Europe is in over the Muslim takeove. Mass rapes, moestations, etc. They too have media blackouts on these crimes. Nope no muslim rapes. Move along, nothing to see here. Then there is a youtube video of a street fight between the Russians and the Muslims…………those Russian boys did a number on those Muslims. That is how you get rid of scum from your country. “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsIykHP_D_U”

cj

@Crazy elf: The shariff is the one that needs to go to jail. We need to send him to Russia with Muslim tattoo”d on his forehead.

Crazy elf

@”cj”,
Down in Texas, the Governor is planning on doing just that: “jailing the local government, ie: mayors, sheriff’s and anyone else, who refuses to abide by the law!
I wonder if there are any other states following suit?

cj
@Crazy elf:I sure hope so. I have had it with all these sjw’s, they can get on the bus too. Pick a country you want to go, and we will pay for your ticket. The less of these snowflakes are in this great country the better it will become. Well worth the price of the tickets out. I WANT MY DAMN COUNTRY BACK!!!! And I am sick of being blamed for everything under the sun. It’s not my fault…………….it’s D.C’s… Read more »
Dennis
“Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), MD, Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, echoed concerns in 2015 regarding interoperability and usability, especially in the context of sharing records between DOD and the VA. “If we allow the DOD to put in a system that then can’t interconnect, that is not interoperable with other systems, that will be a big mistake,”… Let me noodle this one….(paraphrasing) “If we continue to pour money into a project that is meant to enhance interconnectedness… Read more »
Dennis

As for me I think we should have put Jim Carey in charge of VA. George Carlin would have been better but he’s dead.

Windguy

I voted for Carlin – knowing full well he’s been dead for a long time. Better choice than the two I was given. Youtube, “Carlin The American Dream”.

Lem

No, not lawyer’s school. Millionaires club. The money changers have it.

cj
I can’t really comment on this. Not without a sledge hammer. With todays systems, why the fuck would they still be using such old crap? Why is it that Government insists on using outdated shit? And paying 50 times what it’s worth? IBM was not a good choice? wt actuall F? That”s like saying ” we decided to go with cessna, over nothrop” and then realizing oops we can’t re-fuel in md-air. Fuck……….they are all wingwalkers………..No I take that back…..wingwalkers… Read more »
Crazy elf

@”cj”

Great drawing! Thanks, I needed some levity today.

Ex va

@ cj, thanks, you are the artist! ROFL!

namnibor

@cj– Nice pixelated digit art. Rumor has it that’s the preferred finger the VA witch dr.’s use for prostate exams. They also use that same finger in their homelands to make cows go into heat. 🙂

91Veteran
I don’t understand why congress would say they will cut off funding for a program in which the entity spending the money is doing what was intended, rather than going to the nitwits getting money but unable to produce anything for the money spent. Why slow this down rather than telling the VA that since they cannot get their act together, they will implement the same system the DOD chooses. But then, in the end, after billions are spent, a… Read more »
91Veteran

Sub

ANutterVet
Off Topic – During the televised news conference, Israel’s PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s face was that of being very pleased. And, both leaders directly mentioned these words, “Radical Islamic Terrorism.” For more details, please review the video clip to see for yourself; “http://6abc.com/news/trump-asks-netanyahu-to-hold-back-settlements/1756086/” When the webpage loads, scroll down about 1/3 of the page, and the video will be on the left side of the screen. To observe Netanyahu’s facial expressions, open the video into theater mode. Theater mode can be… Read more »
cj

Gone for the rest of the day,

Crazy elf
@”cj” Although I don’t really like Ashton Kutcher, there’s something here you gotta see. Titled: “Ashton Kutchers Shocks Congress On Human Rights!” Dated; 15 Feb. 2017 (6:49 min long) I didn’t know he had a ‘non-profit’ organization. Which went after “sex traffickers” and those who dealt in “slavery”! He’s also involved with 40 other agencies dealing with this issue! He sat in front of Congress today and pleaded his case. This one sentence caught my attention; Quote: “End slavery among… Read more »
Crazy elf

P.S.
Watch this video “cj”. Hillary is one sick bitch.
From:
“Next News Network”
“Gary Franci reporting”
Titled:

“Right After Mike Flynn Resigned, Hillary Clinton Said Sickest Thing Ever!”

Dated:
15 Feb. 2017. (4:59 min. long)

OLDMARINE

you want to know where all the perverts hang out at punch in bohemian grove on you-tube watch the long version alex jones did, it’s where all the politicians hang out at. will make your head spin they are perverted devil worshipers. even RICHARD NIXON went there thats where they select the next president ….ITS A MUST WATCH YOU WILL BE AMAZED

namnibor
Nothing really amazes me anymore because I am just an alien here on earth observing and we’re almost finished, just have a bit more probing to do and we will leave mankind to it’s own implosion. It gets fun when all start eating each other when that VA lab accident takes place, for now, more probing… I am also starting to think Pres. Trump needs to fire each and every hang-over Klingon from Obama Admin. They are ticking bombs of… Read more »
Crazy elf

@OLD MARINE,
yea, I watched that video a long time ago.
I also watched one where Alex Jones confronted an elected official, and was that hilarious. That asswipe got really pissed. Especially when he found out Alex had video taped the “goings on” at the “Grove”!
Then Alex, while taping that, started laughing at the asswipe!
Hil-fucking-larious!!!!!

Rick b
Regardless of what software that DOD or eh VA finally decide to use… I would like to know why DOD ( Fort Hood) and the local VA are sharing my prescription information without my written consent. When I go to the va they do a printout of my meds, and show two scripts I get from Ft Hood, and when I go to Fort Hood they do the same thing. Its seems to me if they can share scrip info… Read more »
Cantigny
note: i’m late writing this, wanted to post the other day but moving too slow. so i post this today here. a bit off topic. i hope Pres. Trump now see’s the problematic issue of keeping around some of former Obama’s picks. (not speaking of Gen Flynn) Speaking of which Shulkin is but another one Pres.Trump and admin needs to keep an eye on. as i mentioned some time ago, i hope one scenario is Pres.Trump was too busy and… Read more »
ANutterVet
OFF TOPIC – Rallying for Trump – Before I start, I want to assure you that I’m for President Trump being a successful President. There are many problems that we face in our country, combined with prioritization on how to solve each problem. On top of this, the political divide in our country was evident during our past Presidential election. And, the divide is more clearly defined in our current political atmosphere, due to President Trump trying to implement the… Read more »
namnibor
@ANutterVet– I suspect some of your answers will all point the way of Isaacson being a historic yes man as long as those contracts keep flowing to the pace of his stairmaster. Why do I say this? Because at the initial confirmation hearing of Dr. Shulkin, Isaacson specifically stated to Shulkin he was tired of hearing “bad VA news in the morning when he’s trying to work-out” (paraphrased), so that statement alone oozes of self-absorbed ass wipe congress critter syndrome… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Namnibor – Brother, your response is why I wrote my post in the first place. If and when things start to change in the VA system, I foresee a VERY . . . SLOW PROCESS. I know that the governing politicians are familiar with Ben’s blog. And, this is why I deduce that they really don’t care about the lives of Veterans. I’m not trying to a smart aleck when stating this. There has been too many heartfelt and sad… Read more »
namnibor
I think that ‘ace-in-hole’ here is the fact the mainstream media feels so slighted by Pres. Trump and everything about him, as 91Veteran stated yesterday I believe, just waiting like salivating dogs for the VA to have it’s next *newsworthy scandal eruption* (interpretation subject to MSM unfort.), it will be only THEN when they go like rabid poodles at Trump and THEN use that to “hold Trump accountable”, but sadly, we Veterans in the end are still utilized as stage… Read more »
Cantigny
@NutterVet: all great questions and concerns. most of us that have used the VA/VBA over the past decades i suspect have all asked the same questions you ask. not just asked, but wrote and spoke to anyone who we thought would listen till we’re all blue in the face. Writing Congress was the worst of support usually. if one wrote to any of the VA committess, we typcially got in return a letter suggesting we contact our state reps. never… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Cantigny – Hey Brother, I totally agree about the circle jerking that takes place pertaining to finding out what politician will truly take action about the VA. McCain, forget it. Shulkin? Mr. Johnny Isakson? No movement from these folks. All the political momentum is hovering over the White House, in order to cripple President Trump so that he can’t win the next election, or to double time him out of the WH. Therefore, always putting the lives of Veterans in… Read more »
91Veteran
To show you how much Congress cares about veterans in their own state, I contacted Senator Bennett’s office in March 2016. I got a response a couple days later saying they were looking into VA problems, particularly with Choice. Although I sent several more emails to keep them updated on my ongoing battle with the VA including his office on each, I never heard another word from them until I got an autoreply in October saying his aide I had… Read more »
namnibor

Vogons, all of their bureaucratic piggy asses, all Vogons. Loving their paperwork to keep that flow, which in turn more paperwork is created to approve more paperwork…as the stairmaster turns or churns.

91Veteran
I just cannot understand the thinking of someone who thinks calling about an appointment almost a year after I had it is helpful. Particularly when the whole reason behind a Choice appointment is to get care in a timely manner. Since I have once again been referred to Choice because my VA which calls itself a hospital does not have a doctor on staff for Neuro…you can bet I will keep his office well informed of the program they believe… Read more »
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – I’ve had similar tactics used on me as well. This is why I posted a little back, that these people are in kahoots with each other, perfecting their circle jerks.

91Veteran

Her response to me when she asked if I had contacted any other office was that they did not want to overwhelm federal agencies with inquiries.

Really? Its better just to see nothing being done for a year than to inquire? Or contact the veteran? Its better to just ignore everything?

ANutterVet
@91Veteran – Their stalling tactics must be happening all over in the system. I was complaining about a loss of muscle mass, weakness, banging into the walls, and a fear of falling again. Had to cancel many appointments. Ran out of a medication for anxiety and sleep. They didn’t care. Then after many calls and complaining, they agreed to give me home Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy until I regained my strength. When I agreed to the PT and OT… Read more »
91Veteran
I agree they use medication against veterans. Its infuriating to see or hear of it happening because denying medicine for a proven medical condition is torture, nothing more. I am lucky that I have never become dependent on their pills. Not addicted, but dependent on them to function. I always stopped taking pain medicine after surgery and gutting it out rather than taking all that was given. The problem is the pain is getting bad enough that it’s difficult to… Read more »
ANutterVet
@91Veteran – Yeah Brother, I hear you about the dependence. When I first started to take these meds, I had shared with them my goals. At anytime, they never probed me with questions to find out what was going on. No detective work. I was concerned from the beginning. Especially, when I was receiving my meds from a Nurse Practitioner instead of the Pain Management Physician, which there is one on staff. They even had a Clinical Pharmacologist review my… Read more »
91Veteran
What I find interesting about the VA the past few years is that whenever I went in for a primary care appointment, I never once was asked anything about any of my service connected conditions, with the exception of my knee after surgery. After telling the VA I refuse to be see by them for anything other than my service connected conditions, my last appointment was amazing. I think its the first time in at least 10 years that any… Read more »
ANutterVet
@91Veteran – That’s totally absurd not to ask you how your doing with your service connected ailments for 10 years. You situation only confirms to me what is going on, pure incompetence. And, as far as Secure Messaging goes, when I first signed up for My Healthy Vet, the worker messed up my log in name and password. The MHV people didn’t want to fix it. They asked me to contact DC. I contacted them, was on the phone for… Read more »
91Veteran

Have a good night ANutterVet.

Incompetence mixed with lazy providers who refuse to review your record, mixed with VA management pushing BS fad medicine that doesn’t cost them anything, but looks like they are doing something.

ANutterVet
@91Veteran – I was truly ranting on the previous post. Its hard to stay focused. Sorry I got wrapped up in my own problem. I forgot to tell you, that while in the private sector, I had surgery performed by Laser Spine Institute [LSI]. I had sciatica from my right buttock down to my toes. One 3/4 inch incision, no problems, and 100% success. The VA, they could care less. The procedure is not approved by the FDA, so in… Read more »
namnibor
“[Really? Its better just to see nothing being done for a year than to inquire? Or contact the veteran? Its better to just ignore everything?]” Seems also standard operating procedure for VA OIG or any OIG for last 8 years. This has become very entrenched in many federal agencies and even started to bleed-out into the military in Obama’s last year when members of the military, and Officers as well, speaking-out in protests while in uniform supporting Black Lives Matter… Read more »
91Veteran
Isn’t it amazing how quickly any organization, no matter how big can turn to shit when bad or corrupt leadership is at the top? As for the IRS thing, Cinncinnati was used as an excuse for someone in Washington to blame. Nobody will ever convince me that Lerner and that moron Koskinen didn’t get their direction from the White House. Their fingerprints were all over that, but the establishment Republicans in control of Congress didn’t care since the targets were… Read more »
Lem
“A house divided against itself must fall.” The problem is each House member wants his pick for contracts. The lobbyist play one off the other. Same problem with any National Health Care Plan. It is about the money changers (Wall Street Investment Bankers) getting stock price increases for the corporations they are handling for bonds, etc.; start ups like Health Net and Triwest which were spin offs of other corporations and made their investment banks big bucks by getting the… Read more »
cj
@ANutterVet: The truth is, not a single congressman will ever lift a finger to help a veteran, unless that veteran can help said congressman get re elected. I have had the va tell my congressmans veterans liason to piss off, and they did just that, end of help from him. I have had the same from my senators office as well. These elected officials could care less about veterans. period. What they do care about is their own pocket books,… Read more »
ANutterVet

@cj – Dang nab pj my brother, I can’t add anything to this, but . . . Vote for Pounding PJ. Get out of the way, not today, you MFin dog. I grab your nads and twist, then turn around and break both of your wrists. So like I said, back off or you’re dead. Get out of the way, dang nab it not today. Your dissertation is so good, I can’t even think.

cj

@ANutterVet: How are you tonight? I see your feeling a bit better, that is good news.

ANutterVet

@cj – Don’t be fooled, its the meds. If been trying to keep myself under control. Sleep patterns are still running amuck. How about you?

ANutterVet

@cj – Wow, should we send the VA a Dank U note for improving the time to receive death benefits? R U talking about the unmarked cash to the Islamic Terrorist Nation of Iran? I said it, I really said it.

cj

@ANutterVet: That is exactly who I mean. lol yes you did say it and didn’t it feel better than a va visit?

ANutterVet

@cj – I’m not admitting to anything anymore, and I’m not paying you any money. Call them and put in a claim. LOL How’s the family doing?

cj

@ANutterVet: Family is doing well thank you. Son and his gf want to buy a house in Kenosha Wisconsin, and fix it up. Good for them, he is a good carpenter. The wife is ummm, trying to not have any stress in her life. So If I bitch at the new or something she walks out of the room lol. How things in your neck of the woods?

ANutterVet

@cj – Things are good on this end. Trying to keep things running smoothly so that wife can finish a CNA program. Her class has a bunch of women, may be women, in the early 20’s. My wife is in her early 50’s and they think she is in her 30’s. Asian women, what can I say. Dog is fine, spoiled, get what he wants, and more.

cj

@ANutterVet: That is cool, I hope she does well. I can’t even imagine how hard that must be going back to school. Hats off to her. Of course we spoil our dogs, not too much, but enough lol

ANutterVet

@cj – Yeah, wife would like me to go back to school. I like get a Masters in Molecular Biology, Virology, or Human Cell Biology. Get to get some things straightened out first. Oops cj, its 1:30am my time. I got to crash out. Fingers slipping and need to get up early. You have a good night. Get some good rest. And, as always, Good Night Ben’s World.

cj

@ANutterVet: Sleep well my friend. Will talk soon.

Cantigny
>>@Ben: That contract covers 10 years, but can be extended to 18 years at a total value of $9 billion. i’ll just past this line from article to express my opine on this new gov contract: >>@Ben: RELATED: Audit Shows Despite Billions In IT Spending, VA Still Needs IT Update that cost will baloon to $15B+ in no time i wouldn’t trust the DoD systems nor especially the VA systems. time after time reports have shown them to be outdated… Read more »
namnibor

Plus, technology is advancing at a faster pace than systems being built.

Cantigny

yes, that is true. yet due to the sloooow pace (usually) of fed gov implementing anything, except for war or Congressional member benefits & salary raises, that just adds to the inefficiency scale. compare that inefficiency scale with yearly budget dollars you’ll see some serious skewing.

private/public tech IT companies say like (switch, equinix, etc) keep a foot close the innovation curve or else they are out of business, for their customer base would move on to elsewhere sevices.

Crazy elf
Of course, we’ve also got individuals, such as; 1.) Maxine Waters, (D-Ca) who don’t know country Russia invaded! She thinks Russia invaded Korea! 2.) Nancy Pelosi, (D-Ca) who’s unaware of who’s President! She thinks Bush is still President. 3.) Elizabeth Warren, (D-Mass.) I’d write something here, but what’s the use! This bitch has shown her true colors. And then there’s individuals like; 1.) John “SONGBIRD” McCain, (R-Az) who believes he’s a war hero. All because he lost his plane and… Read more »
Crazy elf

P.S.
The three BITCHES I just referenced, are now called;

“The Three Democrat Stooges!”

No disrespect to “Moe, Larry, Curly or (later) Shemp!

ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – Your list spells disaster. A bunch of flakes, only concerned about fulfilling themselves.

namnibor
@Crazy elf — Those -5- alone are poster congress critter for term limits. They also are quite a Snowflake Squad. As far as Maxine Waters, I have no idea how she even got through law school let alone where she haunts now. I have never heard anything really intelligent come out of her and like you said, she drops a box of stupidity anytime she opens her mouth. It’s further compounded by fact she enunciates as if she has a… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Namnibor @Crazy elf – You’re right, poster critters for term limits. Legislation should’ve been pasted a long time ago. This is exactly how the money changing system is able to be initiated and kept in force. We’re well overdue for new blood!

rick b

Crazy elf,

Chuck Schumer, (RINO)? no he’s just another NY Democrat.. just saying…

Crazy elf

I think it was Rand Paul who’s introduced legislation on “term limits!”
Yes, those I’ve mentioned, and plenty more, are in need of retirement.
Of course, let’s let them retire over in Saudi Arabia, Qatar or even Iran if that suits them. They seemed to be all for that Iranian deal!
Plus, didn’t they all help Obamination and Hillary supply arms and money to our enemies!?!!?!
They ought to fit in just fine.

ANutterVet
@Namnibor @Crazy elf – I’ll tell you the VA medical system has me questioning almost every thing that my medical providers offer me for pain relieve. On my last visit, I shared with my PCP that the generic medication didn’t work as well as the previous generic manufactured by another pharmaceutical company. Over her head and was told that the medication was in the current generic. When I had this problem in the private sector, they provided me with a… Read more »
OLDMARINE

i know exactly what your talking about ANUTTERVET i took 3- 40mg oxcycontin not all at one time during the course of about 6 hrs. and my back hurt so bad i still couldn’t get off the couch then chewed 2 muscle relaxers and i was moving again just goes to show you that to prescribe pain meds without a muscle relaxer is worthless .

ANutterVet
@OLDMARINE – Hey Brother, I have a question for you. Are you fully informed about the OxyContin that you’re taking? If not, check the alpha letters on the side of the round pill. The number tells you the amount of milligrams. Is your OxyContin an extended release tablet? If the OxyContin is the extended release type, the letters should be OP, and not OC. Let me explain. The OP is the newer formula. And, the OC was an older formula,… Read more »
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