Veteran Organizations Reject Veterans’ Right To Pick Where They Get Care

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This week, three veteran organizations rebuked President Donald Trump’s call for full Veterans Choice in selecting who provides their health care.

The organizations apparently want Veterans Choice so long as that choice is only for a VA doctor, or resident, or medical student. And like most veterans, you usually only see a resident and not a staff doctor when you show up at VA.

Disabled American Veterans (DAV), American Legion (Legion) and Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) spoke with the House and Senate veterans’ affairs committees yesterday. During their respective presentations, each warned about “excessively outsourcing” medical treatment for veterans.

According to DAV head Garry Augustine, “The bottom line is, if you open up choice to anyone, and they can go anywhere, it will eventually drain resources from the VA.” He continued, “The VA will eventually whither on the vine.”

Charles Schmidt, head of the Legion, begged Congress to avoid, “all-out privatization or any dissolution of the VA system.” VFW head Brian Duffy said similar, “fix-not dismantle – the VA health care system.”

So it sounds like both organizations believe their members would choose VA health care over quality health care, and that is what Rep. Jack Bergman (R-Mi) questioned.

According to the Stars and Stripes:

Rep. Jack Bergman, R-Mich., asked whether American Legion members would rather receive “quality health care or health care from VA.” The phrasing prompted discussion from the crowd of a few hundred veterans.

“The truth is, the two aren’t mutually exclusive,” answered Louis Celli, an American Legion director. “The VA trains some of the finest doctors in the country, and we want to make sure it retains the highest quality physicians. We’ll continue to be a partner with them.”

Did you notice the semantic subtlety there?

VA trains some of the finest doctors in the country, but it struggles to retain any of them. Meanwhile, most veterans would rather be seen by the top well-trained doctors in the country and not trainees who later become top doctors.

At the end of the day, does anyone really want to be a guinea pig to help doctors train to become the finest in the country later? Is it not true that veterans can generally only access these top doctors through the community health care only?

After 80 years of repeat failures inside VA and veteran organizations’ inability to reign in the problems, American taxpayers must really consider whether VA health care is a sunk cost and dismantle the system.

Sounds like veterans organizations may have been duped when lauding Secretary David Shulkin’s selection. And I hope veterans finally get the choice we want.

What do you think the right choice is for veterans? Keep pounding more money down the rat hole at VA or get non-VA care to make VA compete with the private sector?

Source: https://www.stripes.com/veterans-groups-warn-against-unlimited-choice-for-health-care-1.456560#.WLexxhIrLBU

Freddy Rendon

VSO s are a waste. Why should they have a say so? They can’t file decent claims so what makes them so smart?

Dennis
Dennis
What makes smart? Well I can think of about 400,000 things that add up to DAV folks being pretty smart, but perhaps the story is better told by the American Free Press on June 27,2013; “While nearly 200,000 veterans are homeless and hungry living on the streets of this once-great nation, the leading non-profit in the United States whose stated purpose is to tend to America’s wartime disabled and their families, has veered from its original mission and has diverted… Read more »
Peterson, L.H.
Peterson, L.H.

I am a life member of DAV, VFW, and AMVETS. As well as a 15yr membe of American Legion. It’s extremely disheartening to read what you’ve written about the top personnel in the DAV. It makes sense now how all the influx of money doesn’t or barely covers costs to keep the doors open at these posts…wtf

Dennis
Dennis
We have been gifted the First Ammendment through the sacrifices of those who came before. We have been handed a means to use the gift as Americans never before had – an internet connecting The People across our world. The information is all out there and often takes less time than the blink of the human eye to retrieve. The First Ammendment holds for us a promise that our nation will remain great not because it promises the truth to… Read more »
David Richardson
David Richardson

Its so sad ! They do NOT represent most veterans. Veterans Choice is a excellent program if run properly. Most veterans are very happy with the program. It seems like someone is getting paid to side with only VA care. I’ve never heard a veteran say they ” only want VA to provide health care.”

Craig Womer
Craig Womer

Stop being fascist state, don’t judge what is best fort us. Let us the individual decide where when and who we get our care. Give us the choice. Stop holding up approvals for Choice. Some of us could die waiting. I’m proof of that.

James Gallegos

Tell a doctor or VA clerk you want choice and they will report you as being disruptive.

These are the first to get choice. Not your choice their choice.

If all veterans were accused of disruptive behavior, then they all could or will be seen by an outside doctor and that doctor will be told that is why they are seeing you.

Cantigny
Cantigny

That is so true. Even if the veteran goes about getting all the documentation, IMO’s, getting a qualified person to write the legalese listing documented evidence, etc, then takes all that neatly wrapped up to one of these VSOs and asks them to file it…they then want to stonewall and argue a bit as to why they won’t file it.!!!
what good are they indeed!

@veternnco
It’s all about the money, power and position with VSO’s. Many are highly paid and are not worth a hill of beans. Sold many Vets down the river in regard to heir claims. American Legion once caused my VARO to reduce a rating unfairly. I was forced to fight three years to get my rating back. I say, get rid of VSO’s because, I for one, won about 10 appeals before BVA on my own, over the past 30+ years.… Read more »
Ryan Honl
Ryan Honl
Most excellent article Ben. Thank you. Why on God’s green earth would you oppose veterans getting healthcare with a doctor they like whether it’s at the VA or in the private sector? I like my current VA doctor. Had bad. Had good. Why push our faces in the dirt when if we like a certain Mayo doctor for specialized care which is my case when I had private insurance. Thank you but no thank you national VSO leadership. Shameful. Answer:… Read more »
cj
cj
I don’t know what the answer is………..mostly cause I am stoned at the moment. But, if the va in going to be in the business of denying service connection to veterans anyway, then what the hell good are they? I don’t like the looks I get when I go for an appointment, I wouldnl’t get those looks if I used private care. I do use private care. the difference is with private care I feel like my doctor cares about… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
@ cj, you did well describing your frustrations. VSO’s have become useless organizations. I use to believe in the VSO’s I donated my time, my money, etc. I do not do that anymore because i have been educated in their lack of care of what is happening to our Veterans in the va system. How can they be so ignorant to all the pain and suffering going on around them that the va inflicts on Veterans? When a Veterans suffers… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

@cj

Frankly some of my profoundly greatest cognitive moments happen when I am stoned. The trick is to dispense with logic. Plus I wait until my marijuanna is thoroughly withered before smoking. It REALLY makes it better!

gaga lady
gaga lady

Sounds like me too

Craig Womer
Craig Womer
I am going to have to agree with cj I may not be stoned but I do prefer to have the health care of that I prefer my choice not yours or some other VA idea of Medical Care. Give everyone their choice if they like VA fine they want to go downtown that should be just as well without any hassle. Let these Congress men and women go to the VA for healthcare watch how fast the system changes.… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

@Craig Womer
you make a great point about the VSOs as well.

Not once did I see mention by the VSOs of concern over how the system currently impacts the quality of life or how to best keep American vets alive. The concern is about how to keep VA alive.

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
If that is the case, you are better off seeing a corpsman! Our training is different, but our guidance and skills come directly from a medical officer. Those organizations need to go directly to hell! With over 30 years experience in the medical field, everyone gets their share of a medical problem. Some suffer greatly, some flat out croak like a motherfucker! And these fuck knocks need to croak straight up! especially when they are trying to dictate when and… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@CorpsmanUp,
I just received this article through “military.com” via: “Task & Purpose”, by Duane K L France.
I’d like your response!
Titled;
“This Is How to Respond To A Veteran Contemplating Suicide!”

I’m not sure, it just doesn’t sound right to me! Maybe I don’t understand!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

I have received much better from Corpsmen, both afloat and ashore – – – than I EVER have from the VA. And as for when I ran with the Jarheads – – – Our unit’s “Doc’s” set the gold standard.

Lem
Lem

We did our best whether with your unit or another. HM 13.5 years 1961-1974

Cantigny
Cantigny
recently (last year) asked about “choice program” ops for service connected surgery options just in case my medicare-supplement wouldn’t cover what civilian surgeon was recommending. this surgeon is in same town. VA basically said no and they would need to fly me to some other state, see their VA specialist for an opine, then wait for the determination. a determination which we all know would be NO CAN DO. finally my insurance came through and had surgery. this guy fixed… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

anyone notice the civilian doctors you see that mention they trained at VA they never mention one single NEG at all. so none of these well trained doctors ever saw or did a short-change to a veteran or policy? …….OH I have just about all of them trained at the V.A….so when you go to a outside doctor don’t mention a VA claim

T
T
I asked my dog’s veterinarian if she would treat me since my dogs have more time spent with health care, more questions answered, more friendly and thorough than what I’ve experienced in today’s modern medicine for humans. Also with no contradictions, game playing, racism, threats, or told I would be forced to do or take something, or told I would be forced to sign a special contract for their care. They get pain medication very easily compared to me to.… Read more »
cj
cj
@T; You are so right about the pups having more advocate groups and better care then us. I really like tha analogy. I had an old school doctor, she would come to my house, and I had her personal phone number in case of an emergency. She saved my life on more than one occation. Sorry to say she is no longer with us. When looking for another Doctor, I first did my research onlice as best I could. Then… Read more »
T
T
I’ve backed off trying to find another real doctor in my neck of the woods. At the ‘New Pain Clinic” orientation in Indy in 2015 we were told, I was told, after complaining about the new VA attitude towards and all the rest, that if we left the VA we’d never find health care in Indiana again. I guess the punk was right. He said the VA and others had “total control” over our health care and ability to get… Read more »
cj
cj
@T,@Dennis: T, I think Dennis went through some of what your talking about. I am in total shock over what you just pointed out. My God, I would have gone off on the bastards, and I do mean “go offf” Did you acually experience a “blacklist” kind of event at a private pain clinic? I’d sue the shit out of them. I guess I am kind of lucky because I only go the the va for service connected injuries, and… Read more »
T
T

It says comments are closed on this topic, is it? Testing. If so why?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

ITS NOT

T
T
Thank you! Since I got sit down finally I thought I’d have to try writing and posting anyway before I make another morning move. This is the only forum I can post on without getting banned, censored, or threatened on. We don’t have free speech forums like Topix, etc, here. Truth and serious issues locally are not allowed. The powers that be here don’t want others to know how things roll here, and they don’t want anyone to blemish the… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

This is the only forum I can post on without getting banned, censored,…… your right i posted on military dot com and they just delete my comments they just want to dish out their bullshit

T
T
Same here. Dave M at Mil dot com had some great information when dealing with the VA and disability issues until they changed ownership or something. I also got to meet one local guy that was posting on there with some of the same issues but sadly he has passed on. Since then their forum went far left and a few people there started giving me crap about my negative comments, stories, or info about VA care and how corruption… Read more »
T
T
It posted I think but I’ll try to keep this short. Yeah it’s all true and worse, especially since the lies and our records can be changed or events unreported or incompetence to threats covered up. I have tried attorneys, VSOs, vet groups, governor, state’s commerce and other so-called protective agencies and commerce protection offices to no avail. Lawyers never call back or don’t want involved like the vet groups like the Legion. Medical boards too, the whole sheebang but… Read more »
Lem
Lem
To T; So call your VA and tell them you are going to the ER. Don’t tell them why until they get off that Choice block. DO NOT USE CHOICE! They will not pay the bill but when you call your VA the very first words are “if this is an emergency call 911. So consider your urgent care an emergency. Call 911, take an ambulance ride to the ER and call the VA and tell them you are waiting… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
The correct solution is to let the individual veteran choose whether they want to go to the VA, or to have their own doctor(s) outside the VA that then bills the government, and receives prompt payment from same for services provided. Gary Augustine (Disabled American Veterans HMFIC) says: “The bottom line is, if you open up choice to anyone, and they can go anywhere, it will eventually drain resources from the VA. The VA will eventually whither on the vine.”… Read more »
T
T
While I am sitting here and logged on I will say this. I was informed that it is not only the VA. We, in my group, were told to contact our representatives, medical boards to the attorney general if we didn’t like VA care or health care in Indiana. I did. That is when endless harassing phone calls started against me, with some coming from the VA area code and the rest was blocked. Or told by some that they… Read more »
Dennis.

Wow three veterans organizations that don’t seem to believe that Democracy works.
Some how our country has to find a way to change the fact that we are short thousands of nurses and doctors. We have to find a way to finance the education cost of these two professions.
Who wants to spend the first twenty years of working to pay off student loans?
Dennis.

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus
I’ve been playing this Va game exactly 40 years now. Two war horse Army nurses tried to turn me into a pretzel at Womack. Thats when my trouble really started. So what are you going to do? Nobody wants to listen. Nobody cares. I’ve even seen the Drs. staring at the cieling while I was trying to talk to them. Hell, I even had one Dr. say there was nothing he could do for me and walked out of the… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

NEXDECEPTUS I had a doctor doctor do the same thing to me. asked him a question and he got up and left and never came back waited 20 min. looked around ,nowhere to be seen so I never went back and that was before i started to go to the V.A. that was private care he must have started off at the V.A……..LOL

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
if you open up choice to anyone, and they can go anywhere, it will eventually drain resources from the VA.” He continued, “The VA will eventually whither on the vine.”…….just like any type of big business if you should put out a shitty product you should whiter on the vine. and CJ they do want you to step through that door because that is one more certain amount of funds that go into the till for bonus money…. and as… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
I also agree with “cj”! Re: The first two VSO’s in Ben’s (scathing) report, states: 1.) ‘American Legion’ – Charles Schmidt – wants to “avoid” an “all-out privatization…”! 2.) DAV (Disabled American Veterans) – Gary Augustine – says basically – the VA will be as a “Ghost Town” *IF* veterans are given the “Rights” to use quality outside healthcare. Both of these VSO’s are trying, in my opinion, to figure out HOW to keep their “VA Gravy Train” from slipping… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
I hope you are correct on your sneaking suspicion, Elf. I truly do. If I recall correctly, it was the HMFIC’s of the Big Three VSO’s that whined loudest about not getting the money POTUS Trump raised for veterans when he skipped the one event. Later, when he said he needed to make sure the recipients were properly vetted before doling out the moolah, the MSM went nuts! HOW DARE HE TAKE MORE THAN A WEEK TO DO THAT? Seemed… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Crazy Elf, these VSOs just don’t realize how stupid they sound.

If a VA becomes a ghost town, why would that be if they offered such great, quality care?

If that truly is all they can come up with, then they have no credible argument.

Cantigny
Cantigny

Certainly hope you are right, really really do.

Dennis
Dennis
According to DAV head Garry Augustine, “The bottom line is, if you open up choice to anyone, and they can go anywhere, it will eventually drain resources from the VA.” He continued, “The VA will eventually whither on the vine.” Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm,. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Oh my goodness… on how many levels can DAV sell out America on? Lets see… Level number one – vets are not individuals. They are a resource for VA. Level number two – vets are the bottom… Read more »
Bill
Bill

Dennis. Don’t Bogart thst joint dude

namnibor
namnibor
“Three Little Pigs”, a song by ‘Green Jelly’ This song says all I feel about the ‘Three Idiot VSO’s”: “[Advisory – the following lyrics contain explicit language: (like any Veteran has virgin ears) Why don’t you, sit right back, And I, I may tell you, a tale. A tale of three, little pigs, And a big, bad, wolf. Well the first little piggy, well he was kinda hip. He spent most of his days, just a dreaming of the city.… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Pink Floyd– “Pigs (Three Different Ones)” “[“Pigs (Three Different Ones)” Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are And when your hand is on your heart You’re nearly a good laugh Almost a joker With your head down in the pig bin Saying “keep on digging” Pig stain on your fat chin What do you hope to find? When you’re down in the pig mine You’re nearly a laugh… Read more »
Rosebud
Rosebud

Oh Nam! I wanted to submit that when the time was ripe for trump! The words are by Roger Waters. He sang it in Mexico City in protest of trump and the wall. He also sang it on Inauguration Day as part of the anti-trump people. It describes trump perfectly!

Just Another Veteran
Just Another Veteran

All the more reason to rebuke my lifetime memberships with the DAV and VFW. They need to quit crying about member numbers when they don’t lobby for squat for veterans. They’re so wrapped up with AFGE money is disgusting. And BTW, American Legion, your feeble attempt to support medical Marijuana to increase your member numbers is nothing but a smoke screen. We can clearly see you’re in bed with lobbying dollars as well.

Bill
Bill

Nice pun…Smoke screen..haha

Dennis
Dennis
Does it occur to any other old timer who was raised and supervised by a black and white 12″ television set sporting rabbit ears that VA is a WHOLE lot like Gilligan’s Island? The professor can make a microwave oven out of two coconuts and a bannana peel but can NEVER come up with a good reacue plan that does not involve Gilligan??? And why the hell is Skipper still in charge when he wrecked the boat? If life is… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

V.A. Titanic runs aground Gilligan’s Island. Perfect, Dennis!! “Share a hut with a slut”. LMAO!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

VA = Gilligan’s Island. Keen observation. Funny as hell.

When do we get rescued?

91Veteran
91Veteran

The problem we have are the traitorous VSOs dumping water on our signal fire every time a ship passes the island.

Bastards!

namnibor
namnibor
The VSO’s are only concerned for the welfare of the VA. They no longer are Vet-Centric and should lose their charter and tax exemption if they continue to cater to the AFGE piggy’s insatiable incessant hunger for that Veteran Cookie Jar. “Save The VA”….the VSO’s have been chanting this mantra hard last few years, nothing has changed if Shulkin gets his armchair advice from the three little pigs. Again, I MUST ask; Where’s that “Beer Mogul” that was supposed to… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Yes, the VSOs only care about the VA.

They are VA Service Organizations.

They are VAShOles.

I too have been wondering where Leinenkugel has been.

As I said when he was first announced, was appointing him some kind of favor to Paul Ryan or Priebus?

Is he required to bring free beer to all their meetings?

Cantigny
Cantigny
I don’t believe Shulkin is/will fix much at VA. more like carry on with biz as usual. and along the way with a few well written opines of how the many so called great changes are taking place and benefiting veterans. yeah, come to think of it, what did happen to that guy that was supposed to help him? without the weight of Trump’s WH, his DOJ and a few others i can’t think of right now, shining a light… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
One last thought: Maybe we have been going about acquiring the very best VA medical care all along and the VSO’s have had this well-hidden secret right out in the open all along and right under or around our noses, literally. The HATS. When a VSO goes in for a VA appointment the VSO upside down flower pot with a curtain tassel hanging off must trigger the VA hacks to respect them. Must think about creating a hat collection from… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Ben, a few questions —-

I wonder, can President Trump take away their charters?

How about the tax-exempt status?

What can be done to show these reprobates their no longer a viable asset to veterans?

Just EXPOSING their refusal to get behind WHAT their supposed to do, isn’t really having an impact! I believe more needs to be done to them!
Please respond!

Dennis
Dennis

Frankly the tried and true method, although somewhat dated, of the practice of tar and feathering of the men and women in those organizations then running them out of the country in front of jeerig crowds would be far more worthy of a Trump Presidency imo. Hablo English senior?

Just remember to point the tar mop in the right direction before you release the safety…

Dennis
Dennis

With ideas like these it dismays me that POTUS has not invited my testimony at The White House. Hell I haven’t even been invited to The Out House yet testify by POTUS. WTF!!!

Maybe it’s time to start my own run at the Presidency….

namnibor
namnibor

@Dennis– You would have my full support of all the poop canons available in Midwest from my vantage point.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Better yet, time to call in a fire mission using the poop cannons.

Ryan Honl
Ryan Honl
What everyone is advocating here in the comments is the Trump VA reform plan. Shulkin has the message and is responding accordingly. And I do know from someone who was on the transition team that Shulkin has an extremely small window to implement the plan. If he doesn’t he will replace him with someone far less palatable to the special interests and it will be easier to confirm a hard ass. As a result Shulkin is in the media every… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

I am not really concerned with the hardness of a persons ass just so long as they get in gear pronto.

Just Another Veteran
Just Another Veteran
Honl, you’ve come a long way since you were an integral part of me losing entire segments of medical care at Tomah. You’ve now advanced to having insider info from someone on the Trump transition team. With all your grandstanding, when is your mouth going to actually work to get us Tomah veterans medical care we lost and never recovered. With those connections, you certainly must have access to getting emergency private care for those of us now virtually entirely… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Just Another Veteran,

It wasn’t Ryan Honl which caused you to lose your healthcare. It was the VHA @Tomah which caused it.
I’m sorry you can’t see that!
Tomah VHA caused the deaths of veterans, plain and simple!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ryan Honl – Ryan this is exactly what Veterans are hoping for, like you stated, “If he [Shulkin] doesn’t he will replace him with someone far less palatable to the special interests and it will be easier to confirm a hard ass.” Simple as that Bro.

And, you seems like you owe @Just Another Veteran a heart felt apology. JAV, sorry for what those fuck ups did to you. Geesh.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Ryan, it is interesting to see how Shulkin has changed his public comments from no privatization on his watch to eliminating the Choice expiration date.

Whether Shulkin said what he needed to say to get confirmed or whether he was told how things are going to be, I don’t know.

Either way, it seems he has had a come-to-Jesus moment.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@Just Another Veteran – – – Sorry for your loss, but it was not Ryan Honl that caused it. What Ryan did helped veterans nationwide. Wish you could see that. I am better off here in Honolulu because of Ryan’s actions up at Tomah. @Ryan Honl – – – Mahalo Nui Loa (Formal Hawaiian Thank You) for your sacrifice. I am well-are that the government really came at you hard for what you did. In a fair and just world,… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

well-aware not well-are.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I would think it would take an act of congress to revoke their charters.

Or a credible complaint to the IRS with evidence of misusing funds, or using them for a purpose other than intended.

With thousands of homeless veterans while a veterans organization flunky makes $400k, I don’t think either congress or the IRS gives a shit.

Lem
Lem

Make the VA compete with other facilities. If the VA wants veterans as patients for human studies let them compete or give care to Medicaid recipients to fill the bill the way they did for the Neurology joint studies with Yale Medical School in the late 1980s into the 1990s.

Don Avant

Just more evidence that these VSOs are in lockstep with the VA’s agenda and seriously OUT OF STEP with the needs and preferences of the majority of Vets they’re SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING…

Vets need a whole new way to be heard…We need to join together in ONE VOICE,,,

http://donavantwebsites.com/veterans-political-action-committee/

I propose Ben to head this organization…

91Veteran
91Veteran
Given what happened in Durham, and that veterans wife making clear that VA director Deanne Seekins lied about contacting and thanking them, the VA has no intention of changing and we should get full Choice. Whether the VA shits down, I don’t care. Now, since the DAV, VFW and Legion want to stand in the way of veterans getting proper medical care, and they claim they are speaking for veterans, then I demand they lobby congress for accountability legislation that… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
91Veteran, I know a few of the American Legion posts here in Florida wanted President Trump to be POTUS. National wanted Clinton. They also wanted veterans to have a choice. National wants No Choice. So, I can only think, that’s this way in all VSO’s – What the members want doesn’t mean squat! It’s going to take something really big to get these VSO Head Honchos back on track to —– “Serve the veteran, NOT the Veterans Administration!” The only… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

I agree it would get their attention Crazy Elf, but I can’t see too many in Congress supporting action against a VSO.

It would have to be forced by some scandal.

A scandal bigger than the number of homeless vets, number of suicides per day and pictures of veterans lying on the floor waiting for the VA to stop withering, come to life and provide care.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Shits. Somestime autocowrecks are honest.

Dennis
Dennis
This is copied from VA’s website on employment – Maybe vets and the VA employees can trade benefits? “Coverage Options: Our employees have an outstanding number of health insurance plans from which to choose, including exceptional vision and dental plans For all of our health insurance plans, premiums are partially paid by the Federal Government, and employees have the opportunity to change plans annually Our employees have the option to use Flexible Spending Accounts, which allow you to use tax-free… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

AND FOR GODS SAKE can somebody WAY smarter than me explain how a “wrongful act” can possibly be “in accordance with the policies of the institution in which they are practicing.” ???

How the hell is this even possible???

namnibor
namnibor

Oxymorons with funny hats. <—grammatically, that's double jeopardy moron.

Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran

You expect any better from the VA? Why??
This is how truly f’ed up they are. Too stupid to even write coherent, functional policies. They live in the world of Catch-22, and it’s as good as it’s gonna get for them in their lives.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Isn’t it interesting the VSOs have no problem with VA employees having their Choice in health care while blocking their own members from that same choice?

I’m curious how many VSOs have spouses working for the VA who take advantage of that choice in insurance.

Jo3n
Jo3n
This seems like a game. One second I think I’m winning, then I’m losing. I have had a decent medical Dr. at 1 VA. More than twenty years ago. Only seen a couple “supposedly” Dr.’s since. I find it extremely difficult to believe anyone would choose the VA. I live more than 40 miles from nearest VA. The Dr. at clinic just won’t refer me. The VA is more known for destroying lives, and creating havoc. The VSO’S are in… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

The more I hear about the VHA/VBA and the VSO’s, the angrier I get. It’s only “natural”, says my wife.
So, because these last few blogs, and the egregious acts committed by VHA’s nationwide – the wife sent this to me —-

“Does it count as saving someone’s life if you refrain from fucking killing them?”

I’d have to say “FUCK YES!”

Peterson, L.H.
Peterson, L.H.

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..COUGH GASP..BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

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