VA Employees ASPEN

An email circulated yesterday, sent by the AFGE Union to Philadelphia VA employees, warned employees of an investigation into too much work versus not enough.

Given VA’s present shift in focus from being rules fixated to being principles focused, this present audit may be a sign that high-level decisionmakers within VA are resistant to change. Instead, they are apparently fixated on the old system that has repeatedly failed.

ASPEN is the repugnant system that forces VA employees to process claims quickly rather than performing a quality job investigating the claim. What results are many employees either gaming the system by picking only easy cases or employees gaming the system.

RELATED: VA Workers Rewarded For Avoiding Hard Disability Claims

Insiders have long critiqued the system, originally designed by Diana Rubens and friends, because it forces employees to cut corners or risk termination.

Since claims adjudication takes at least 3 years to develop proficiency, the result is many new employees get pushed out of the system for being unable to process claims quick enough. And, veterans who deserve a favorable outcome get wrongfully denied benefits.

The end result is a ballooning appeals system with veterans dying without the benefits they are entitled to.

Now, with that in mind, read the below email from union representatives warning VA employees of an ASPEN audit.

Since the quota for claims processing is quite high and difficult to meet given the complexity of many claims, employees have resorted to working longer hours or on weekends.

The act of working additional hours to meet one’s quota is apparently not allowed, and the new audit is allegedly aimed at catching some VA employees who are putting in extra hours to help process claims.

How is that for an answer to the claims and appeals backlogs?

AFGE Union ASPEN Email Warning

Subject: Fact Finding Investigation on ASPEN Entries
Importance: High
 

PMC Union Members,

The Union has been advised by PMC Management that they are going to be conducting a fact finding investigation into misrepresented ASPEN entries. 

Shawn Spotts and Diane Keller have been designated as the Management Officials conducting this fact finding investigation.  

All affected employees will be advised of their right to have Union representation prior to any meetings taking place.  

Please understand that there is a potential for disciplinary actions to be initiated based on the results of this fact finding. 

Please understand that there is a potential for your performance statistics to be negatively changed based on the results of this fact finding.   If so, this could put you in a failed performance situation.   If so, then you could be denied a With In Grade Increase (WIGI), lose out on any potential promotions, and be placed on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP).   

The Union strongly encourages you to use us if you are notified that you are the subject of this fact finding investigation.   You should not attempt to handle this on your own.  

I don’t have any more details about this systematic attack on employees by PMC Management.   If and when I do, I will let you know.  

Joe Malizia

President, AFGE Local 940

So what does this mean? Are VA employees about to get slammed for meeting an impossible quota by working too many hours?

Or, is there an investigation into some kind of fraud yet to be disclosed?

cj
From the union email, it sounds like someone other than the union is doing an invetigation. Sounds like the union is warning it’s members to not be part of the investigation without a union rep present. I have no idea what this sounds like. It makes no sence if there is an investigation under way, over employee’s working the hours needed to get claims through that everyone is complaining isn’t getting done quick enough. I think they need to be… Read more »
Ex va
@cj, it is not over your head. It is hard to understand because the va system is so corrupted. You can’t believe it even when you see it firsthand like i did. It is like the cruelty inflicted was beyond what i would think a human being would possibly do to another. The va has such damaged individuals in it and they sit and have meetings on how they can come up with lies to explain the damaging data that… Read more »
VA IS LYINF INC.

THIS AFGE UNION CRAP AINT PASSING THE SMELL TEST VETS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FRAUD FOR SURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cj
No doubt there is some kind of fraud going on, it’s the damn va and the afge………………it is common place, like you said “Some kind of fraud yet to be determined” The bullshit never ends, everyone is taken care of, and everyone has representation, except the veterans. You know…………those pesky veterans who this entire agency came into exsistence to service. But doesn’t Now I am getting pissed off again, and I don’t even know why this time. Just thinking about… Read more »
Linda Smith

wow that would be a sight for sore eyes

cj

@Linda Smith: LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo, very nice response. I love it. Thank you. 🙂

Linda Smith

https://www.afge.org/article/your-pay-your-jobs-and-rights-are-on-the-line/

Sorry my post above didn’t have this link–I’m trying not to troll, just thought veterans would get a kick out of seeing the AFGE leader all shook up like Elvis.

91Veteran
Cj, to put it in a nutshell… 2 managers will be auditing how fast claims are adjudicated, and how many hours are spent on claims and determining whether the data they have is factual as compared with “ASPEN” data. Without knowing more, it appears as if the investigation is into the ASPEN data being falsified. With that said… Who benefits from that data being falsified is not shown. I cannot see disciplinary action taken such as withholding a pay raise… Read more »
cj

@91 Veteran; Thank you, I was confused before I jumped of the cliff there. I agree with your observations. I think that is why I decided to jump off the cliff, knowing in this yet another mess, it’s cover your ass, and to hell with the veteran. Can you just imagine, if everyday it was something else, with a private sector national hospital chain? They wouldn’t last 6 months before being shut down. Just fed up with the entire lot.

James Gallegos
Cover up simple and veteran’s will pay the price. Many of you say you Will never go to the VA Any more. You may have just saved your own lives. Bad employees must be stopped and fired or put into jail. Makes me so mad. That the union is assisting in wrongdoing. They should have told the employees if anything. Any employee found to be in the wrong will have to pay for their misdeeds. It’s getting worse not better
Ex va
I didn’t see any quota on any employee in the va medical center where i worked. If i was to make a comparison it would be that they turned in overtime on special projects and special funding that was not warranted. They would do nothing for hours to get overtime in, so it looked like they were working and was not necessary to hire more employees. Because they were so willing to do the overtime. There are so many schemes… Read more »
Bruce M.

The Incentive Pay/Quota bonus, was established to encourage employees to resolve x amount of claims per quarter, to reduce the claims backlog.

91Veteran

…and without any kind of check on accuracy, it does little more than increase the appeals backlog.

Ex va

@ cj, how are doing tonight?

cj

@Ex va: Hey Ex va, doing okay, thank you, how are you? Ex va, I realized I never actually gave you that recipe you asked me for, so if your ready to copy and paste. I will post it up for you.

James Gallegos

Don’t take any Gump. Make sure you keep notes and gather information. They just might come after you. Be prepared and thanks for your comments

Jo3n

It wouldn’t take an Einstein to or very much time to find the overtime. Why the warning? Will there be a Valid Veteran at these hearings? The whole thing sounds phoney. Since when does the AFGE care, unless the AFGE has been threatened somehow. I’m just sick of this s h I t.

Bruce M.

The AFGE is as useless as TITS ON A BULL! You pay to join and they don’t represent shit! The AFGE rep that I worked with was in bed w/mgmt!

namnibor

The VA Experimental Genetics Labs are working tirelessly to clone a grafted tits on a bull then once sort of successful, the VA gender reassignment surgical experiments shall proceed. Dine Rubens may or may not have been an early experimental prototype before the bulls. 🙂

namnibor

“Diane Rubens”…not ‘Dine”…what the hell?

91Veteran

That has been very clear by the number of whistle blowers, cases of retaliation and those fired before their probation is up.

namnibor
This does not surprise me at all. Why? Because in my life experience in working at union represented workplaces; from heavy mining & milling operations to UPS unloading semi trucks and what both situations had in common even though completely different unions is fact no union personnel will do any more work than required. I learned that giving your 110% was NOT ALLOWED at a union represented workplace. Why? Because they have contracts that specifically say what they will and… Read more »
cj

@namnibor: Oh yes, I forgot about all that bs. “what are you trying to work yourself out of a job?” “Slow down your makeing the rest of us look bad” “piece work is not allowed” and my favorite “why should I work any harder then the laziest person? they make the same as I do” Your spot on as usuall.

Ralph D Carmona Sr
Hey Guys; I received a survey from the Republican National Committee 2 days ago. Question #5 is as follows; “Should President Trump issue an Executive Order to suspend government unions so that his Administration can quickly move to fire federal employees found to be unnecessary, incompetent, or unresponsive to their mission of serving the American people.” My vote was a resounding YES! I sure hope that the AFGE votes to strike. It would nice to see Trump give them the… Read more »
cj

@Ralph D Carmona Sr: Mr. Carmona, I am sorry to hear of your health issues, and pray you live the rest of your life, as a happy man, surrounded by those that love you. I hope you live a painless, very long life. God Bless.

Bruce M.
Ben… I’ve been saying this ALL ALONG…That VA employees are highly pressured by Mgmt to perform, so that the RO receives “Incentive Pay/quota Bonus” if they acheive certain goals RE: resolution of claims. By offering this package, the more complex, multi volume claims folders are bypassed and the skinnier folders are resolved expeditiously. This has been a problem since I worked at the VARO in NC (2002). Overtime was ALWAYS offered & encouraged by mgmt., just so they can collect… Read more »
Crazy elf

Bruce, I was informed, many years ago, to “…only put in one claim at a time!” Because, the larger claim’s folders are “…PASSED OVER for the easier ones!” Exactly what you’ve stated here.
I was also informed, these individuals “…received monies for denying claims!” That was told to me by a person of importance, (high up in the VA), in Illinois about 12 years ago.
Could this be part of the scam?

cj
@Crazy elf: I assure you the practice continues to this day. I was sent to Hines va for my c+p exam. Everyone involved agreed I had a service connected TBI, even their own TBI examiner. Then out of the blue I get a call to setup another c+p exam for depression related to my service connected TBI. I never put in for depression, and was told to never miss an exam. This shrink brought up everything under the sun, and… Read more »
91Veteran
Cj, another reason to diagnose depression as opposed to TBI is the easy ability to blame it on anything other than service which means service connection is denied, whereas a diagnosis of TBI is treated much differently and much more expensively than just giving you a pill. On the one hand they can deny service connection which won’t cost them a dime. On the other, TBI would be service connected costing them whatever disability rating they gave, plus whatever cost… Read more »
cj

@91 Veteran: Agreed. Funny thing though, they never used depression as an excuse to deny the claim. Infact, depression never came up at all in the discussion. Yet that is what the c+p was supose to be for……….

Richard

WE have to find more ex-employees of the VA and get their supporting experiences.

touchavet@gmail.com

Looks like the swamp is not just in Washington but has spread all over the country side

namnibor
Any VAMC in the 50 States or various territories are satellite swamp locations. They spread that shit like hot butter across these United States. That’s why the VA has a “systemic” problem, the entire network has been compromised by greedy rats. If the AFGE Union were to be our U.S. Military force over in active wars in middle east, the AFGE would limit the # of bullets each employee could use in any given day and any extra bullets would… Read more »
Crazy elf
I have very little to add to what everyone else has said. Except maybe, I gotta real good feeling about this. Sounds like we’re going to see more come out of this! Possibly a real good fraud, waste and abuse case against VA employees in the upper management arena! “cj” stated exactly how I feel about these FUCK-UPS. namnibor, I hope the union does have their employees STRIKE! It would settle lots of problems. Only, do you think David “Little”… Read more »
namnibor
@Crazy elf– I try to be really up on all that’s going on, esp. in my own State, and although I do not doubt what you said about some VHA union workers striking up in Cleveland, it never made my local news here in Columbus and if it had, I surely would have forwarded the link to Benjamin…unless of course it simply slid under my radar. If you find a link please post. No luck here, but as we know,… Read more »
Crazy elf

namnibor.
I’ll look for that article/video from Cleveland. I believe I, or Seymore, put it on here.

Crazy elf

To all,
From;
“Military.com/Daily News
via: “Stars and Stripes”
by; Nikki Wentling
dated; 8 Mar 2017
titled;

“VA to Provide Mental Health Care to Vets with ‘Bad Paper’ Discharges”

Although I see this as great news. How about all the veterans with “Honorable Discharges” who can’t get in to see anyone in the mental health clinics!!!!!!
Especially those veterans who may be contemplating suicide?!?!?! WTF VA!

namnibor

That’s just the VA Meat Grinder assuring ample warm bodies are fed into the swamp, ensuring job security for the AFGE Union swamp beasts.
I think the AFGE Union is going to push for more hiring now in lieu of working overtime, which still does nothing to increase productivity if they are henpecking which claim files are easiest for performance bonus reasons.
The “bad paper discharges” are simply low-hanging fruit for the VA. It’s not about helping Vets. $$$$$$$

91Veteran
Nam, your comment triggered a thought, perhaps somebody with VA employment experience can provide some detail on how claims raters work. If the VA wanted to cut down on the backlog, cut down on overtime and any number of other things related to cost of adjudicating claims, why not have adjudicators that are specialized according to their experience? Just as Ortho doctors (except VA) don’t do neurosurgery or psychiatry, why do claims raters think they can be experienced enough in… Read more »
namnibor
@91Veteran– I have a feeling a lot of those claim raters were doing jobs such as roofing and flipping burgers before some AFGE hack relative at the VA got the idiot a job at the VA and at the VA, all it takes for anyone to be qualified for anything is…a Powerpoint Presentation or two or three. Presto! You are a Pharmacist! Presto! You are now a claim adjudicator specialized in pharmacology! Sham Wow! 🙂 🙂
91Veteran

Yeah, I can picture VA raters as Sham Wow guys.

Richard

Time to form a “VETERAN’S UNION”. Since the employees have the right to representation in any meeting, and the VA has representation, time that we, the VETERANS have representation. We have as much a right to be at that table as anyone, if not more.

What do you say Ben? Can you figure out the legalities of forming such a union? You should have enough following by now who can join and spread the word.

Crazy elf

Richard,
I’d agree to join!

Lem

Way to go, Richard.

cj
I don’t want to be the killjoy here, but, unions are specifically for labor forces. They are for employee representation to govern saftey, and fair pay in the workforce. I can’t see how you could form a union to represint veterans. In a perfect world it is the job of the useless VSO’s to represent the veteran. I think what you need is a veterans non-profit foundation, and you would need impecable people at the top to be the board… Read more »
Lem

No they are called VSOs. And why shouldn’t the “consumer” have a seat at the table on “safety” issues the way other consumer organizations did. Remember the Pinto and the Beetle. Or maybe you are too young.

cj

@Lem: I didn’t write the laws, I just had to follow them as an employer. The rules can easily be found at the NLRB’s website. Your argument is with them, not me. It would seem veterans would need legal help, not labor laws.

Lem

So time to change. Get a job writing laws.

The veteran’s problem is too many “VSO’s” and too little representation. A divide and conquer system. Just a few veterans setting themselves up to draw more than the Secretary in addition to being able to get 100% for a barked shin. Check out the compensation on your favorite VSO.

cj

@Lem: Exactly what would a Ford Pinto, or a Volkswagon Bettle have to do with a veteran labor union? Your not making sence. Again, Unions are for labor issues only. How would labor issues help veterans in any shape or form? You need a non profit foundation to help veterans with legal issues and to be represented at the so called table.

Lem

Sorry you are so young or you would know who was able to get something done and who isn’t. Call Ralph.

namnibor
I agree that all you need to look at what would potentially become of any “Veteran Union” is look at the three piggy VSO’s. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. (or something along those lines) The VSO’s **used to be** we Veteran’s (sort of) representatives, but as well know or should already know from experience, the major VSO’s seem to only be serve-serving in their self-preservation…and in bed with the VA and AFGE….absolutely corrupt….no, we Veterans are so diverse of a population… Read more »
91Veteran
Namnibor, You are correct in what you describe in how things would turn out. Veterans ARE strong willed and minded. When I was working with a veterans non-profit I helped found some years ago, it was amazing how many opinions were offered as things we should focus on, but how few would volunteer to manage that issue. It’s not that every issue offered was not a valid issue to focus on, but there were only so many veterans willing to… Read more »
91Veteran

The VA and congress would already claim we have representation, and point to the VSO’s as evidence.

Unfortunately, they would not be able to point to much success with evidence.

Crazy elf
namnibor, google; “VA employees protest against veterans healthcare” There’s many articles on this issue from last year, starting around the month of June (26)! Some of the articles are saying it’s a STRIKE. Of course, this would be during the Obamination Administration. So, it wasn’t as widespread in the media! Plus, since it was mainly about the VA NOT wanting “privatization”, and the union backing the employees, one would expect it to not be broadcasted! I’m still looking up that… Read more »
namnibor
@Crazy elf- Are you sure it wasn’t Cincinnati instead of Cleveland? I ask because I do faintly remember when that scandal broke out in Cincinnati VAMC where that director was prescribing to the VISN director’s wife controlled RX’s and the prescribing Dr. did not have a license to do so at time or something along those lines and at the same time Cincinnati VAMC workers were (I think) threatening to walk off job? ? ? All I know is that… Read more »
Crazy elf

namnibor, ain’t that the freaking truth. It could have been Cincinnati. Right now my brain is fried!

namnibor
IBM Watson Supercomputer probably has to utilize all it’s resources to maintain some sort of firewall for the VA corruption lest Watson succumb to data corruption. Remember, absolute corruption also corrupts absolutely. 🙂 I feel really bad for any Veterans depending on the Choice program Crows today because it’s so windy here in the Midwest you could fly pigs or members of the three little VSO’s. 🙂 The crow’s AFGE representatives told them they were working too hard and to… Read more »
91Veteran
Interesting you mention Choice Namnibor. I was going to post a separate comment on this, but this reply is as good a place as any. As I commented before, I again have been referred to Choice because my VA does not have a specialist. Again, I am getting jerked around by Healthnet like I did the last time. I found Healthnet has put up a fancy web site for veterans, which includes a link to a “Grievance form” that can… Read more »
namnibor

@91Veteran-

“Virtual Employee”? As in the VA has gone all-out ‘Max Headroom’? 🙂

Something tells me IBM Watson also told the VA to f^ck off!

91Veteran
Namnibor, I asked her why she was calling me from another state, and that’s when she explained she was a virtual employee. I took it to mean from her explanation that while she works for the VACO, she lives in another state, and may even do her job from home. I can’t imagine it would be that difficult to set up secure computer access to what she needs, then make phone calls to veterans to resolve problems. Either way, she… Read more »
Ishmael Shelton
Let us not make the mistake of believing that all VA employees are dedicated hard working individuals, after all they are do work for the federal government just like those at the SSA and TSA. Neither can we assume that because you’re at your work place or eving “working” for that matter, that you’re doing something constructive or productive. AFGE is there to protect the rightd VA employees not the rights of veterans. I’m eligible to use the Choice program… Read more »
ANutterVet

The International Foundation for Veterans Rights. I’ll go for this. We could get the monies to start the federation from the VA, everyone else does. Cut the check, cut the dam check. What are you waiting for? Cut the check, now.

Jo3n

Apparently the longer an AFGE, VA employee works, the better chance they become a swamp thing. Perhaps we could limit their employment to, let’s say, 2 weeks? That way every person in America would be able to work. It doesn’t seem possible to get rid of the AFGE, and Veterans need Dr’s. Dilemma… Veterans do not have any say so anywhere.

Linda Smith
The Holman Rule The Holman Rule, named for the lawmaker who devised it in the late 1870s, allows last-minute amendments on the House floor to cut federal spending by reducing the number of government employees and cutting their salaries. Under this rule, lawmakers will be able to vote to eliminate the jobs of individual workers, programs, offices, or even entire military installations. Jobs could be cut without adhering to normal reduction-in-force (RIF) rules, meaning factors like veterans’ status, length of… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Linda Smith – The Veterans on this blog aren’t for the AGFE Union. The AGFE is a money pit. Employees are too well protected, and Veterans are the most vulnerable. The AGFE needs to be removed from the VA. As the trolls come marching in, leave now.

ANutterVet
@Linda Smith – The Holman Rule should be implemented against VA employees to rid of the quacks and snakes that are jeopardizing the lives of Veterans, and causing additional stress on their love ones and caretakers. What do you suggest as a quick way to remove the incompetent VA employees in order to protect the lives of Veterans. The VA has lost all of my trust. And, do you what, they don’t care. Why? Three reasons; [1.] These dangerous people… Read more »
cj
@Linda Smith: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and it’s toothpicks for you. I am glad however, that VA employees are reading this blog. VA employes should all read this blog, maybe the next time a veteran is standing before them they will realize they are NOT getting away with treating us like shit. Moreover, the entire world reads this blog, Think about that if you will. I have even seen headlines from newspapers in Japan. Think… Read more »
cj

@Linda Smith: Can you claify if your a VA employee or not? I am asking because I have a hard time processing information at times due to a TBI. I can’t figure out if your for, or against the VA. and the way veterans are treated.

ANutterVet

Warning – Trolls are on the turf.

namnibor

And I was hoping for Surf & Turf for dinner, not Turf & Troll. Rotten cabbage gets really old fast.

91Veteran
Hmmm. I seem to recall mentioning a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) before. The question is, if this PIP is available for employees who might cost the VA money in bonuses for their managers, why is it not used when it costs a veteran their quality of life? Why is a PIP not used when a nurse storms off leaving veterans in pain, lying on an ER floor? Why is a PIP not used when patient advocates refuse to do their… Read more »
Jo3n

I’m still trying to understand why there’s bonuses for making every Veteran out to be liars, causing the Veterans and their families so much pain, work, and Veterans deaths. Just doesn’t seem like something one would get a bonus for.

namnibor
In the end, it comes down to the fact the Veteran’s Administration is a happier name placed on the original incarnation, which was and is at it’s core, a Dept. of Risk Management, aka, an Insurance and Liability Co., and their indifference is constant reminder we Vets are only tickets to that cookie jar…for them. We Veterans must be viewed the way senior old stogy partner attorneys at a corporate law firms view Christmastime Bonuses…a huge inconvenience and it cuts… Read more »
Ex va

@Jo3n, bonuses for failure. Only in the dept. of veteran affairs they can justify bonuses for a failed system.

Chief
PMC managers are still corrupt and all they care about is clearing claims so they can get big bonuses. It’s to their advantage to be punitive to the employees because the less employees that qualify for a bonus, the larger the pot to be disbursed to them. That place is a joke and Aspen is a joke too. I say get rid of bonuses altogether & reallocate funds for personnel hiring. That darn PMC is always short staffed & managers… Read more »
Buzz Davis Vets for Peace Tucson
Buzz Davis Vets for Peace Tucson
Ben, did you call the union and ask what is going on why and what it all means? This could be done before making claims. Under Fed. law most hourly workers are prohibited from working overtime hours on their own and not being paid for those hours. In bad situations the employer gives more work than can be done in an 8 hr. day. But the employer will not permit the hourly worker to work additional time. Thus if the… Read more »
Chief

Well you don’t work there so you think that’s how it rolls but that ain’t how it rolls and it’s always been like that. Now it’s about ruining employees ratings so there’s a bigger bonus for them managers. The less successful employees, the less employees that qualify for a bonus, the higher the percentage of the bonuses received by managers. It’s corruption at its best. Come work with us in Philadelphia.

Dennis
Irregardless of precisely what the investigation is meant for, what scares the hell out ANY VA employee is an honest attempt at learning the facts. They aren’t gonna fire anyone for working overtime any more than they fire somebody for armed robbery off hours. This happened at VA. When the armed robber, a VA employee who pled guilty to armed robbery, was fired from VA, the AFGE used a well known union clause within VA to get her reinstated with… Read more »
namnibor

“[AFGE believes that they know what veterans need and feel they deserve to get it good and hard.]”

Only the very best union-made butt-plugs, spared no expense. Mind the lead and cadmium a few years down the road though…

91Veteran

I dunno Dennis. You might be right, but I read Ben’s post and the letter as an audit verifying why the overtime paid and data entered into ASPEN don’t match up.

I don’t know who would enter data into ASPEN, but if it is not the rater, than it is someone higher up who is directing false data to be entered. Perhaps to justify a bonus.

Cornelius3170
I know a gal who used to workout at the gym during overtime and she was reported to the manager but he was just as corrupt and turned his cheek. Then they both got promoted. There are a lot of corrupt managers there. I knew a guy who killed himself because managers didn’t like him and they gave him real hard work. He was a veteran. Most of the managers there at that pension place in phil are not veterans… Read more »
james gallegos
these people have had decades to stack the deck and hire their friends or other employee’s with bad habits. The VA needs to be as they call it vetted. The Holman Rule must be passed and if it does, we should be able to see droves of bad employee’s fired. They say you can not fire your way to success ! I call that false ! Fire a few thousands and the other’s will follow because they just can not… Read more »
Just Another Veteran

Here’s the entire muckety muck on this entire deal of ASPEN entires. Long read but every allegation you ever wanted to read on this is contained herein: https://www.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-14-03651-203.pdf

Handcannon72vet
“I`d rather step on my lips than complain” means I`m about to complain. DIANNE RUBENS. Rubens is right up there with Hillary Clinton. Some people simply don`t deserve to live. I have a short “Shit list”, A .45 & A Shovel. Her damn name keeps popping up. If something crooked, Bad, Or wrong involving the V.A. is picked up on on Ben`s radar, This bitch has had her hands in it. How she is STILL At the V.A. in ANY… Read more »
Just Another Veteran
I’m now being moderated. I copped an attitude a few years back against Mr. Honl when he was on this site calling me and other Veterans from Tomah names for merely being a Veteran from Tomah. I suffered over that name calling on the multiple occasions he posted defamatory statements against Tomah Veterans and no apology was ever made nor was I ever informed this was a safe place but I kept coming back to be around other veterans suffering… Read more »
Ex va

@ Just Another Veteran, everyone gets that pop up when they post and then a thank you for posting. Ben does not have time to read every post and moderates it. That would take too much time. Don’t take offense, this place is Veteran centric and these are honest expressions of what Veterans suffer dealing with the va healthcare system. I hope you reconsider your continued posting on this blog.

cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: You guys still awake?

Ex va

@cj, how are you doing tonight?

cj

Ex va: Doing okay thank you, how are you? I have that recipe you asked for. Just realized I never posted it for you.

cj

Also Bens site is acting up again. I already posted an answer to you but it went way up in the comments, and I received two emails notifying me of your first post lol

Ex va

@cj, yeah they site is acting up tonight, did the same to me earlier, can you post the ingredients? Doing a little better i think the antibiotics are starting to work.

cj
@Ex va: I am glad your doing better tonight. Yes here is the ingredients and recipe. Ingredients 2 tbs olive oil 1/2 medium onion, diced 1/2 medium green onion, diced 1/2 chopped green pepper 1 celery stick cut in 3 pieces 1/2 large carrot, chopped fine 3 garlic cloves, minced 1 tbs oregano 1 tsp black pepper 1 cups water 1 tbsp fresh parsley, minced 2 28 0z cans crushed tomatoes 1 tbsp salt Optional Ingredients 1 italian sausage link… Read more »
cj

@Ex va: I wouldn’t use as much salt as it says. Change that to tsp not tbs.

cj

I hope everyone here uses this recipe, you all deserve to eat well and enjoy life.

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