Veterans Affairs Opioid Safety Initiative

Department of Veterans Affairs researchers boasted that fewer veterans are using opioids after an agency initiative stripped veterans of this treatment modality.

As the Tomah VA scandal was breaking, VA embarked on its Opioid Safety Initiative (OSI) in 2013. That VA initiative resulted in a 30% reduction in veterans using opioids, according to the agency report relayed by Friedhelm Sandbrink, MD. Basically, within four years, VA reduced the number of veterans taking opioids from 679,000 to 471,000.

RELATED: Tomah VA Psychiatrist Fired Over Opioid Abuse Scandal

The caveat of the story though is that VA failed to incorporate any measure into the initiative about the number of veterans who seek opioids outside VA as a result of the treatment limitations.

This means the announcement from VA was generally false because they could not know if the veterans truly went off opioids or if they got them from a non-VA entity.

As we all know, countless veterans have had their painkillers withheld once the OSI initiative was in place, which resulted in veterans experiencing extreme pain and distress.

What appears more likely is that VA engaged in an experiment to see how many veterans they could take off opioids after VA doctors got them hooked on opioids.

Nonetheless, this lack of data concerning whether veterans truly went off opioids did not stop members of the press from publishing stories titled, “Fewer Vets on Opioids Following VA Initiative”.

This latter issue means the OSI announcement was pure propaganda. Key decisionmakers within VA and outside VA will see the study as a great success merely by looking at titles associated with the research – – click bait.

It reminds me of a Facebook debate I got into last night. (Facebook debates are a waste of time, but I sometimes indulge myself.)

Facebook Rant – Evangelicals = Taliban?

Last night, I came across an article with the clickbait title, “It’s Time to Start Calling Evangelicals What They Are: The American Taliban”.

The author of the article on ChurchandState.org.uk does go on to qualify what he meant, but that does not change the nature of the clickbait title.

I responded rather forcefully in part because I was raised Evangelical and the comparison within the clickbait title was offbase.

Here is what I wrote in response for your own amusement if you are unable to view the actual Facebook post:

Total clickbait.

This author preys on the ignorance of atheists and non-Evangelicals when writing this piece since it is inconsistent with reality on its face.

Do you know how often I saw women worshiping Christ alongside men as equals in an Evangelical service?

EVERY time.

Do you know how often women and men worship together in the Taliban in Afghanistan, next to each other as equals?

ZERO times. It is forbidden at risk of stoning.

Do you know how often I saw women wear mandatory sheets over their faces while I worshiped Christ in an Evangelical church as a kid?

ZERO times. Women were not forbidden to show their face.

Do you know how often I was involved in a stoning of a woman or any other person who deviated from the teachings of Christ?

ZERO times, but you can watch a youtube video regularly of a woman, generally forced into sex slavery by marriage, who was eventually stoned for pushing back.

https://youtu.be/jJv-72DSpaE

Evangelicals are not the American Taliban. There is no “American” Taliban last I checked, and Evangelicals certainly do not support stoning.

To state as much is an insult to both the Taliban and Evangelicals.

Taliban have extreme views that include stoning sinners and prohibiting women from worshipping God alongside men.

Get real. Get educated. Read and think for yourself. Being a liberal should not also mean you need to snub your nose at every religious person just because you hate God.

Most Evangelicals and Taliban do not hate God. They just have a different idea on how to serve the God they believe in. But most liberals who subscribe to this argument generally hold disdain against any people who believe in either version of the God of Abraham.

Here are a few videos to illustrate the practice of selling daughters into sex slavery as child wives who are later mutilated or stoned by the Taliban:

Clickbait, Propaganda And VA

Now, my perspective on clickbait on Facebook also extends to what VA does on a regular basis. Their public relations folks (the taxpayer funded propaganda arm of VA) continually engineer and structure press releases with the goal of creating a false perception within the public.

The above example, where VA grabs headlines by falsely asserting their initiative was a great success at reducing opioid use while not actually knowing if what they are asserting is true.

For decades, VA was effective at curating the message and forming public opinion about VA until 2014, when America was outraged to learn the agency abused its authority and lied to the public about how it really treats veterans.

It was then that CNN broke the infamous wait time scandal starting in Phoenix that was later found to be present at practically every VA health care facility nationwide.

We also had the attempted cover-up of opioid abuse at Tomah VA that was simultaneously exposed. It was on the back of the Tomah VA scandal that the agency created the OSI plan.

However, numerous veterans report the initiative is wrongly withholding painkillers from veterans who have no other alternative.

To get at this, I plan to take a simple poll / survey on Sunday to see how many veterans believe they were harmed by the opioid reduction experiment.

But for now, what do you think about the opioid reduction plan at VA. Was this an experiment guided by politics or real treatment conferring value and benefit for injured veterans?

Thomas Helm
I’m prescribed Opioids by the VA, for cronic pain, without which, I would have no quality of life. This fact is not arguable. My usage doesn’t increase. Nor, as there any euphoric affects. They just make it so I can function…end of story. But I can just see the VA, in the interest of statistics, discontinuing these medications. Then I become your neighbor, otherwise a responsible veteran-citizen, buying dope from a dealer. Or just contribute to the sad statistics, like… Read more »
maryw

Amen Thomas please read my comment below,,and use a dot instead of comma after www. Please sign moveon.org,,repeal cdc guideline,maryrw

Crazy elf
maryw, There’s no way I, or anyone else that I know of, who would sign anything having to do with moveon dot org. If you’re unaware, that group is backed by and paid to by George Soros. If you don’t know about this NAZI COLLABORATOR, look him up! There’s a great “60 minutes” Video on him. Where he admits to “turning in Jewish people, to the NAZIS during WWII, while he was a teenager. The surprising thing you’ll learn is,… Read more »
mary

i do not know that crazy elf,,,,,,,,but i was more concerned about the subject matter,,,but thank u for letting me know,,,mary

Gunny
DITTO 110% My Friend Thomas!! I am a 90% Service Connected Marine Corps Vet with NUMEROUS injuries sustained from a massive IED Blast while in Iraq during OIF II. At first VA treated me very good by obtaining the appropriate tests, Specialized Dr;s and then thankfully ratings which truly did not take that long to go thru! (Yes I know, I am one of the lucky ones who somehow got thru this maze of madness system and was rated correctly!)… Read more »
Robert Ccorsa

Hey Gunny
I am amazed at the va bs we put up with.
Now addiction is all iþ said to be. Back in
The 80’& 90″s it was.morphine and metadone
In addition to a varities of pills
So now we deal with hmmm? Answer.
Need programs in the communities of America
Corsa

mary

Gunny,,,if u know of any,,or anyone knows of anyone who had to choose ,”self termination,” to stop their physical pain from medical injury/illness,,,[email protected] want to honor our dead ie,Pain Patient Memorial april 23 and 30th,,,or got to Pharmacist Steve site and simple type in Pain Patient memorial schedule,,,,maryw

JS

Gunny
I would like to contact you but you didn’t leave an email address. Please respond with your contact info.
JS
100% SC Navy DAV

John Edward Hill

Gunny,

Is the doctors name Aubrey Verdun? I am in the process of trying to see him at the WWPACI at Walter Reed.

John Hill

Jay
I can tell you that I wish the Trump Administration would look into this. It is against the law to withhold medications from a person because they don’t submit to some test – specifically urine or blood test. It is also against the law (4th Amendment) for illegally obtaining blood or urine samples before giving medications and telling the patient about their 4th amendment rights. See the following SCOTUS ruling: On March 21, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that a… Read more »
Ashley Van Drie
My husband stopped taking the pain pills in 2014, on his own because he was tired of be treated like a drug addict because he was taking a medication they gave him. He went through the SHARE program and they put him on a Butrans patch for pain. It worked good enough and he was happy on it. We went back to the VA and they told us if he wanted the patch he would need to go through the… Read more »
Gary
I will show you meds i was on for over decade with spine problems and fragment in L-4-5 .480mgs opiates you will shit when you see all the meds.i think i died when they pulled this opiate reduction bullshit.its been 2 1/2 years i dont sleep iam forever in pain. For awhile i was killing pain with alot of alcohol. If there is a Hell i hope these holier than thou pieces of trash find it and forever burn so… Read more »
Lem

Question is, how many suicides resulted from the lack of pain management.

Crazy elf
Lem, you beat me to that question. Out of 679,000 to 471,000! That leaves 208,000 without proper pain management healthcare. The Veterans are now having to deal, on a daily basis, with pain. I’ll ask it again, Lem. “How many [MORE] suicides resulted from the lack of pain management?” If you notice, I’ve added one more word to Lem’s question. I believe the “20 suicides/day” is another “SPIN” by VA! For some reason I believe it’s more likely than not—-… Read more »
Lem
Or go back before 2001 and ask how many fewer suicides there were? And ask the question, is it better to be addicted or dead? I’m possibly partly responsible for the addiction problem for letters to the Secretary asking the above questions. Especially after there was a little jump in the suicide rate. Problem is improper monitoring. When a guy is in distress put him in the hospital and control the opiate level like they do in Japan. These aren’t… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Lem- My VA facility offers no Proper Pain Management Program. They are so incompetent, that a Nurse Practitioner prescribes my pain medications instead of the Physician in the Pain Management Department. The Nurse Practitioner isn’t a Pain Specialist either. Poor pain management modalities, without proper goal setting, and teamwork between patient and their Primary Care Provider. Frigging stupid, at the least. Yeah VA, your Evidence Based Criteria is making Veterans to needlessly suffer more. Kiss off you unwiped assholes.

Gunny
This is in response to Lem: Lem March 23, 2017 at 12:13 pm Question is, how many suicides resulted from the lack of pain management. Now THAT is a good damn question which we all know full well VA will NEVER EVER admit to,if they even knew in the first place ya know? By entirely pulling Vets off ALL of their pain meds without proper methods, Vets are at GREAT GREAT Risk by doing this!! I personally know 2 who… Read more »
J.Klapper

Change.org? The Petition Site? Agree it’s out of hand, and the war on Pain Patients isn’t just some more VA bull-crap, I personally know of 3 total horror stories of people being inappropriately “weaned” or flat out being denied proper treatment for pain “on the legal economy” To include someone with TERMINAL METASTASIZED BREST CANCER who is being limited to LESS pain control than I am by the VA ATM…

Lem

Lawyerlynn has the solution. Never heard of a pot head committing suicide. Some studies claim excessive use leads to depression. But compared to any of the other pain medications?

lawyerlynn
“Lawyerlynn has the solution. Never heard of a pot head committing suicide. Some studies claim excessive use leads to depression. But compared to any of the other pain medications?” It’s not my solution, I’m just the messenger here. Likely that I’m not smart enough to think these things up, but they taught me how to read on my plantation & it’s one thing I can still do. As for “studies” you mention … beware of the trap. Most studies are… Read more »
J.Klapper
Damn sight more than the alleged number of OD’s the DEA is making up as occurring. HINT: If the opiate in question that caused the OD was HEROIN, it was NOT “In-appropriate use of a prescription pain killer” DEA hosted itself on it’s own petards with THAT ONE since they insist that HEROIN HAS NO MEDICAL VALUE and as such IS NOT LEGALLY AVAILABLE, so counting the HEROIN OD’s as unfortunity and un-necessary they are, as an OD or other… Read more »
NavInfPO6

Comments are closed?? How in the hell did I miss that, after I had typed up a long post in reply to the article.

Crazy elf

Nav,
Ben’s having trouble with something. Don’t worry your comment will post.

namnibor
“[But for now, what do you think about the opioid reduction plan at VA. Was this an experiment guided by politics or real treatment conferring value and benefit for injured veterans?]” Considering the VA for most part did not even properly titrate Vets off these meds, and by the way, this also included Benzo’s that many of us with PTSD and Anxiety Disorders need to take for quality of life, while also having chronic pain…if both were involved, both the… Read more »
namnibor

I also wonder if the many Vets that had VA Mailed RX’s **missing** or suddenly cut-off, were being funneled BACK to some addicted hacks at the VA? I think there’s so much more to this scandal and the very fierce fight the Candy Man made, and reports of drug abuse at the VA’s systemically? Blame the Vets seems the SOP.

NiteWish

Namnibor, they also cut Cyclobenzaprine a muscle relaxer AND the sleeping pill Temazpam which was extremely hard to overcome. I’ve seen people come off Xanax, its rough. I’m allergic to Melatonin & just about everything sold over the counter.

mary
This is how corrupt and STUPID are government is,,,Ask ANY vet if their physical pain from medical conditions are better w/less MEDICINE,,, they will tell u NO,,,IT SICKENS ME TO MY SOUL,,THAT THE GOVERNMENT BRAGGS ABOUT TORTURE AND GENOCIDE OF THE MEDICALLY ILL BY FORCIBLE TAKING AWAY medicine THAT HAS BEEN USED RESPONSIBLE BY 95% OF VETS,,,ALL A WHILE SUICIDE HAVE QUADRUPLED,,,did U KNOW,,,,WHEN pain management STARTED in the 1990 thru 2000 the suicide rate actually dropped by 5%,,,now it… Read more »
Jay

I believe the bigger picture here is that the government knows that many will either commit suicide or go elsewhere for their meds. Either way that helps VA reduce cost. If you look at how they treated the Vietnam Vets about agent orange causing cancer. They didn’t admit that till 30+ years later and more than 70% of them were already dead. That is 70% that they don’t have to pay for.

maryw

amen,,,ie,,comment closed,,,how convenient,,maryw

mary
Amen,,the truth matter,,their willfully killing us,,by the means of torture,,which if any government employee was actually convicted of TORTURE,it,,CARRIES A LIFE SENTENCES,, appropriately,,as that is exactly what they sentence every man,women who honorable served our country and thru no fault of their own,,get injured,badly,,and ,”our ” government is sooo arrogant+ignorant they think they have the rite to forced these soldiers to suffer in physical pain from these MEDICAL injuries,protecting the freedom,,they are now taken from them..THE humane right to effective… Read more »
NiteWish

Jay Check this out I presented to my new PC on our first & only appt & showed her 1 unopened & 1 half empty VA Prescription for Tylenol#3 that she prescribed to me & she told me I must be getting them from someplace else not the VA. It’s a no win situation. The unopened bottle was from having to prove to the previous PC I was not addicted & could pass the drug test which I did pass.

Jo3n

The VA kicked me off pain meds also. About 8 months ago. Rough time for a while. Now they are f_____g with the meds I was told to take for 1 year, after two surgeries. Still working on choice.

namnibor
As for the religious aspects of today’s article: I also was raised in a fiercely fundamental Christian (Methodists/Wesleyan), and will admit it was indeed oppressive and still have my impasses with my aging and ailing parents and we simply do not talk about those things, because at least in my family’s case, if their particular “flavor” of Christianity and “flavor” of Methodist denomination, if you took THAT example of Fanatical Fundamentalism, you indeed could make a case for a vague… Read more »
namnibor
Benjamin- I was in no way opposing your stance in your FB interaction in today’s article, was just showing the “extreme cases” that those that like to generalize ALL into same “flavor or evil”…just as there’s many Muslims that condemn ISIS and absolutely hate that analogy to them. In that same way I care not to be associated with the “flavor” of Christianity my parents have created their dome of reality and protection from the real world from…but I DO… Read more »
Dennis
When VA terminated the morphine and hydrocodone I was prescribed, I went to my long time local doc that I had not seen for a long time. When she saw the doses that VA had been prescribing she said simply, “I will not take part in this dangerous experiment.” It blew my mind and forever changed my view about what I had been doing to my body. I doubt that ANY sane doc outside of VA would prescribe ANYWHERE near… Read more »
mary
TRUTH&Fact= ,,,it is literally impossible for YOU,, to physically feel the physical pain of anyone,,,its a fact,,,LIKE IT OR NOT,,,IT IS A TRUTH,,, thus,,,,,why do u think u have a rite to decide who suffers in physical pain and who does not,,,,,,with your opinion??????For the flip side of your opinion is,,,,let ’em all suffer,,for YOU believe,,,,,there is no quality of life,,,,I disagree,,,,i believe a truth,a fact,,,,that it not my place,,,to decide who suffers in physical pain and who does not,,I… Read more »
Dennis
It is pretty tough to sell me on the idea that widespread opiate addiction benefits even a single soul. It is not tough to convince me of the iron grip that opiates and opiods has on your soul. I understand the meaning of pain my friend, likely in profound and ongoing ways that most will never enjoy. This is my own lot in life. My point is that pain is a part of life and when you take it all… Read more »
Lem

Hell, you can’t even remember your own pain enough to feel it. That is part of the “empathy problem” even by those who have experienced the same condition.

mary
To Dennis,,,NOT YOUR PLACE,, to decide who suffers in physical pain from medical illneess,, is not your place!!U and sooo many others know nothing about peoples medical histories and u think u have the rite to make them suffer???why???why is there no ability for u in your head,to see there are some thing we humans don’t have a rite to decide,,,,torture is one of them as a so-called humane civilized society,,For I believe how we treat others in this life,,will… Read more »
NiteWish

Mary, Mirror-touch synesthesia involves an individual physically feeling what they observe happening to another person. As an example: When you see someone hit their hand with a hammer the same areas light up in your brain as they do in the other brain. We all have Mirror Neurons, the brain is a fascinating organ.

Dennis
Mary, My post was about opiates and opiate addiction facilitated and promoted by the government of The United States of America. My own attempts at self inflating my lung while I simultaneously attempted meditation to cope with a leg and knee that had been shattered also left an impact on my soul. How could it not? When I too found my death scream and my mind filled with the blue white electric pain that God yanked up out of my… Read more »
mary
The difference between us Dennis,,I see my MEDICINE AS MEDICINE,,, just a diabetic see insulin,,or a heart patient see nitro,,,for functioning,,for not being in forced physical pain is a basic human right,,,,,,You seee my medicine as some demon drug,,,,,again everyone has a opinion,,,but when your opinion physically hurts someone w/ a medical reason for physical pain by not allowing them MEDICINE to lessen that physical pain,,,then it is part of the propaganda,,,the ,”witch hunt” on us,,our doctors and our MEDICINE,,,,Furthermore,,religiously,,I… Read more »
T
Those are high doses. All I ever needed was a couple Hydro 10 with Tylenol per day and not every day. Plus time released Morph 30mg for migraines, severe burning nerve pain that felt like i was on fire, spinal disks out of place, etc. I can deal with pain well too but there are breaking points. Too severe would go to the emergency room for shots and play their high priced game. In the past they would give me… Read more »
T
Dennis. There are other not so commonly points to consider. One being the lies we are told and more propaganda on TV and by law enforcement. First I should say I have many many years of being in volunteer work, recovery circles in and out of state facilities or nut hospitals. I have also sit and waited with dying friends and patients waiting for end of life pain meds that would come too late. Not fun to watch Every kid,… Read more »
figure8fan
When the Puget Sound VAMC Pain Clinic decided to prescribe me narcotics, They prescribed MS contin 10mg three times a day. This was increased to 15mg three times a day. This was done after 13 years of non-narcotic pain meds (20), cortisone injections, simvisc injections, numerous physical therapies, metal braces, cane, ortho consults, University of Washington Pain Clinic, arthroscopic surgery, topical creams, Ibuprofen (which has turned my GI tract to junk) acetaminophen, Hrdros, and percs. The MS contin worked and… Read more »
Tell Tryon
Golla is a two faced lying piece of crap like the rest of the Purple Team game players. For months I waited and ran around trying to get consults that I had for many years at the VA. The Purple scum would tell me the consults were in, then I’d go to the clinics because I wasn’t getting an appointment date and they said like others… there has been NO consult from your team or MD. Odd, so I played… Read more »
figure8fan
Tryon, My real name is Randy. I am at the point that it does not matter, I am sure anyone who wants to know me or about me does so. I use the figure8fan due to I used to be heavily into the racing at the Speedrome in Indy. I was a crew chief for a late model team. It was some of the best times of my life. I am so glad you know golla. I could not agree… Read more »
mary
U know it would of help us ALLLL,,, if doctors had the BALLS,, to write the truth,,,,,”’that truth being,,,”Since the Government interference of medical care/decision of Adult private citizens,,,and the Government practicing medicine w/out a liscence AND IN FEAR OF THE GOVERNMENT[DEA] TAKING MY LISCENCE ,THUS THEE ABILITY TO FEED MY FAMILY AS A Doctor,, I can no longer treat this patient w/the medicine he needs to survive in lessen physical pain!!!but NOOOOOOOOOO,,, THEY ALL COWARD IN CORNER AND WILLFULLY… Read more »
figure8fan
Mary, I also believe that the doctors at all the VAMC’s are told what to do. Because they have such a cushy job, and they make a very good salary irregardless of what they do, they want to keep the cash cow job. Also they cannot be touched if they hurt and/or kill a veteran. The suit goes against the VA. The payment, if any, comes from the VA. Taxpayers pay for the VA doctors mistake. This means that if… Read more »
T
Well glad to virtually meet you. I will never again speak to an attorney, media, anyone at the VA, nonone from the medical boards, politicians etc., unless it’s recorded. I had a damned recorder on me during the pain clinic orientation but turned it off too soon and not back on. It’s difficult to deal with long waits, in all kinds of pain/cramps, dealing with small chairs for normal people etc. Pain alone disrupts and interferes with daily functions, concentration,… Read more »
lawyerlynn
Because of some kind of mind control brainwash, most people don’t know that cannabis was the major part of medical formulary ever since. In written and unwritten history. Cannabis is/was used for everything from surgery anesthetic (called “cannabis narcosis”) to pain relief to hormone adjustment, well, everything really. If you don’t believe me, take a quick glimpse at the united states patent introduction below. You will see that cannabis prevents, treats and cures, these 3 things: 1. inflammation 2. blockages,… Read more »
Lem

And I’ve never heard of someone being physically addicted to marijuana. Experimented with it in the 1960s and never had a hang over. Take that to mean physical addition is not in the cards for marijuana as it is for alcohol and opioids. Never took enough opioids to get a hangover but have seen some individuals with one.

lawyerlynn
As an example of brainwash mind control propaganda, notice this one statement within the patent … “Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention.” This patent is for psychoactive and non. All research points to high THC as being most effective, but the problem is getting so stoned. Yes, it can be problem on several levels. But… Read more »
NiteWish

Lawyerlynn, I was pleasantly surprised how well topical cannabis healing lotion worked on the muscle spasms in my neck. Well worth the $20 a small bottle cost.

lawyerlynn
Might be the best muscle relaxer yet. If you got highgrade flowers you can cook in coconut or castor oil, then use that for a rub. save $$. diy?? Not too much oil, just cover the flowers. make strong, can dilute if needed. won’t need. it will also pull edema from deep tissue if you keep rubbing the oil on. all these wounds soldiers get, have edema buildup around the internal tissue due to bad blood flow, scarring, inflammation, oxidation,… Read more »
J.Klapper
The entire anti-opioid campaign is an attempt by the DEA to have pain patients either become one of the ILLEGAL USE STATISTICS by denying them access to LEGAL pain control so they can justify their existence or a way to force chronic pain sufferers into just committing suicide. We are MUCH cheaper on the budget if we are DEAD after all. As far as the VA, yeah, get the pill doctors out, but people that will insist that someone that… Read more »
cj
Oh I would just love to share with you what happened today, only problem with that is I know for a fact the VA monitors this blog. If I were to tell you of the uttere BS I was subjected to today, it would be as good as signing my real name to this blog, and I will not give those ASSHOLES the satisfaction. It has everything to do with today’s topic, but obviously it is nothing that hasn’t been… Read more »
Ex va

@cj, ROFL!!!!!

figure8fan

Nice cj

mary

Moveon.org..Repeal cdc guide;lines,,,,sign it,,,,,,,all of us should!!!!!!maryw

Ex va
Taking away pain medications from Veterans who suffer from chronic pain issues is nothing less than being unnecessarily cruel to another human being. Do they believe Veterans or anyone for that matter wants to feel the effects of severe pain? It is negligence, it is not helping someone with their long term suffering. Veterans are trying to survive their injuries, disease and illnesses and need pain management to ease their suffering. They want to punish and torture us Veterans as… Read more »
NiteWish

It was a political experiment. Tylenol #3 was not even on the original list yet my prescription was stopped suddenly. The number of Veterans needing appts for the Pain Clinics made it impossible & aggravating to get “timely” follow up treatment. I have not benefited but declined.

Crazy elf

This video, from “Project Veritas” is from: June 4, 2015 (9:28 min. long).
It’s a Hidden Camera operation vs VHA’s Pain Management Opioid Addiction Treatment!
Some of y’all may not have seen it. It’s worth googling and watching.
titled;

“Hidden Camera: VA Director Says VA Turning Veterans into Drug Addicts”

These “undercover videos” are a wake-up call to everyone! I have a strong feeling it’s also occurring at civilian healthcare systems as well!

figure8fan
Hello guys, I have been reading Ben’s blog even though I have not replied to anything. I have been busy fighting the VA. Some of you know my history and my fights with the VAMC. I am still doing it. I had an appointment Mon. with my PCP who told me she was going to continue to wean me down to 60 5mg Hydrocodone a month. I asked her what was she going to use to help with the increase… Read more »
namnibor

@f8f- Good to see you are at least giving them a hell of a fight and good to see you again. Did you finally gain some semblance of independence in your life since? Indy?

figure8fan
Hell no! I am still fighting that freaking place. The more I try the deeper it gets. My PCP seems to get a lot of secure e-mails from me lately. I do believe that I am now getting some retaliation due to the fact that I have been in contact with the local news and the reporter is trying to get this crap out in the light. There are several of us vets who have sent her our latest medical… Read more »
Windguy
I haven’t slept prostate in a bed for over a month. Every time I lay down – fetal or on my back – I’m good for 20 minutes and the full spinal contractions kick my ass. I sleep in my Stressless recliner. Still, I need some rest. I can gobble less painkillers except NSAIDs (which fragged my esophagus) and muscle relaxants to no avail. Tramadol, carisoprodol, tylenol.. fuckitall. I drove 3.5 hours to ER – ask for something stronger –… Read more »
namnibor
@Windguy- ‘Blazing Saddles’, “I’m Tired”, sung by Madelyn Kahn, by Mel Brooks: “[Here I stand, the goddess of Desire Set men on fire I have this power Morning noon and night it’s drink and dancing Some quick romancing And then a shower Stage door johnnies always surround me They always hound me With one request Who can satisfy their lustful habits I’m not a rabbit I need some rest I’m tired Sick and tired of love I’ve had my fill… Read more »
cj
@Windguy: Truly sorry about the denials. Don’t let those basards win. YOU are the warrior, not those pansey asses. The alternative you talk of is final, never a good choice. How the hell are YOU going to kick THEIR, asses if your not here to do so? You know enough from my comments, that I am on your side. Pain killers have never helped my pain, nothing has ever helped my pain. I am just lucky enough, that I have… Read more »
figure8fan
I use the Lidocaine patch 5% for my back. I tend to use it more because I am trying to not use my knees. My PCP prescribed these for my knees. I still have no idea how you are to place a 4 in by 6 in patch on your knees for 24 hours and expect it to stay. I put one of those down on my lower center of my back and the relief is almost instant. I have… Read more »
J.Klapper

Believe it or not the Lidocain patches are not local. You can slap one on anywhere and it will allegedly help your knee. Should say that on the box, or google away (I refuse to recommend calling the tele-care phones answered by one person that has a vague idea what they are talking about and 10 who are clueless and need you to be fluent in Taglog)

figure8fan
J. I put them on right above my knees and under my braces. They did help a little in the beginning but it did not continue. I stopped them for a week and I could not tell any difference. I restarted them and again nothing. I was hopeful at first because I know that I will have to find something to help as my narcotic pain med will be reduced to nothing. Nitewish commented on the topical cannabis healing lotion… Read more »
NiteWish

figure8fan, I don’t know if the lotion will test you positive but you can buy your own drug tests from a place like “homehealthtesting.com” for $1.95 each & they ship fast. I too would like to know if the lotion will give a dirty test but I smoke it too so I know I’m not clean.

figure8fan

thanks for the info. I have been fighting these assholes for so long and I would really hate to give them any ammo to help their side. I will look into this as I will need something soon to help and then I will not give a crap about what they say.

ANutterVet
@Nitewish , @figure8fan – If you’re doing cannabis, you may want to try pure isolate CBD crystals under your tongue. Or, you may want to smoke CBD oil with a vaporizer. Also, try to keep you stress as low as possible. Possibly supplement with Melatonin, 5 HTP, L-Tryptophan, GABA, B-2, L-Taurine, TMG, Omega 3 Fish Oil, and Magnesium. And, you may want to consider adding Over-the-Counter [OTC] Benedryl, or some other form of antihistamine to possibly help you to sleep,… Read more »
wayne harper

Thats great, now i have to pay %25 of m y retirement to a priv. Dr. to send me to a Pain managment center.
you wont find that any place in my records. I did give them to my VA PCP. its all a joke. what is the number for vets now drinking or taking street drugs or suicide? what about house bounds and depressed?

J.Klapper

Hell of a lot more than the 16,000 a YEAR that supposedly will ON on Heroin that was somehow a abused NARCOTIC PRESCRIPTION drug… That Heroin is a Schedule ONE as in NO MEDICAL USE doesn’t seem to disqualify Heroin OD’s as “Adverse effects” from PRESCRIPTION NARCOTICS

Jo3n
@Cj, I can only guess, your appointment went, came with surprises. Just to get home unscathed, without scathing anyone else, is a good thing. The VA actually gets off on the suffering of one Veteran, let alone all the Veterans they get to see in pain. Then you get this smug and insulting look…, the look I always see. That look that causes feelings of less than. There’s nothing I can do. Without first hand knowledge, it’s like a sex… Read more »
cj

@Jo3n: Your spot on Jo3n. I can add nothing to your comment, it is perfect as is.

namnibor

THAT *look* has a name but it takes two words for the VA’s variety: Indifference & Disdain. While giving a crocodile grin but no tear.

ANutterVet

@Namnibor – They’re incapable of tearing, until it happens to one of them or their love ones. The dam bloated toads. Plus, they need to morph from a croc to a another species of animal. Hmm, may be human.

namnibor
“bloated toads”…LMAO! Crossed with a sloth and sewer rat. Highly evolved mutants from Darwin’s basement experiments that got away and got loose in the swamp. Speaking of swamps. I see the congress critters tried at the last minute to push it to a vote after removing from the new healthcare law: AMBULANCE RIDES. I KID YOU NOT. The rat bastards somehow thought in a healthcare insurance plan covered ambulance rides for emergencies…oh…and ER VISITS were hacked from covered…WTF? Luckily, it… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – In reality, they are really, Ch-ch-ch-ch-choking on the Ch-ch-ch-changes. An unnatural gag reflex due to overstuffing their epical orifice. Stuffed with what? I’ll let your mind wonder a bit. Hint; backyard bar-b-q.

cj

Have to start dinner, later gators.

Jo3n
Originally, I found this blog, looking for answers. In the beginning, I found many Veterans who have at least one thing in common: We are all angry. It appears that we’ve been battered by the VA for months, years, decades. I may have Stockholm Syndrome. I’m in on class action lawsuit against the VA, alleging violations against Veterans’ rights. How long has this crap been going on? Looks like everywhere I look, another memorandum replaces Rights, and breaks laws. Resulting… Read more »
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