In a fit of propaganda, VA asserted it fixed the Veterans Crisis Line problem while in reality only fixing one of a myriad of problems.

Immediately after VA OIG released a scathing report about its Veterans Crisis Line last week, the agency released a press release saying it fixed the problem.

This assertion that the agency fixed the problem is pure propaganda because it actually resolved only one problem of many to grab headlines.

For the past three years, VA has repeatedly had numerous problems highlighted both in the press and by VA OIG.

VA asserts it fixed the problem by resolving call rollover to non-VA call centers, but this was only one of many problems that likely still persist. But, by stating that it fixed the Veterans Crisis Line in the headline, headline readers will believe VA resolved all problems when it likely did not.

So, the title of the press release only serves to deceive the public similar to former President George W Bush announcing that the Iraq war was over in 2005.

RELATED: Veterans Crisis Line Fails To Collect Data On Post-Call Suicides, Ignores Earlier IG Audit

Background Of Press Release

The IG previously investigated whether VA had implemented the changes agreed to that were necessary for the Veterans Crisis Line (VCL). Those changes were agreed to February 2016. By November 2016, those changes were not implemented and included within an IG report issued this month. This was the final month of the audit released 3 months later.

VA issued a crafty press release asserting the agency fixed the call center issue one month after the field audit concluded, December 2016. But the assertion is deceptive.

RELATED: Veterans’ Calls To Suicide Call Center Abandoned

VA Press Release – Veterans Crisis Line

In a press release issued immediately after the IG report, VA asserts it fixed the VCL December 2016, but the supposed fix only addressed one of a myriad of problems. The press release is titled, “VA fixes Veterans Crisis Line”:

In response to the recently released VA Office of Inspector General (OIG) report that reviewed processes from June 6 through Dec. 15, 2016, of the Veterans Crisis Line (VCL), the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) released the following statement: “The Department of Veterans Affairs is proud to announce that the challenges with the Veterans Crisis Line have been resolved. Prior to the opening of our new Atlanta call center, our call rollover rate often exceeded 30 percent. Our current call rollover rate is less than 1 percent, with over 99 percent of all calls being answered by the VCL.

However, incoming call rollover to the VCL was only one of numerous problems previously addressed in the February 2016 audit report not to mention the March 2017 audit report.

I highlighted these last week and wanted to separately write about the press release to highlight the propaganda nature of how VA misuses titles and its public affairs office to deceive the public about veteran suicide prevention services.

RELATED: Why Did Veteran’s Call To Veterans Crisis Line Get Routed To India?

VETERANS CRISIS LINE DEFICIENCIES

According to the IG report, present deficiencies include:

  • VCL failed to collect data regarding attempted or completed suicides following contact with VCL
  • VCL staff and supervisors failed to respond adequately to veterans’ urgent needs resulting in missed opportunities to help.
  • Mandatory documentation of calls was insufficient to allow retrospective assessment of services provided by the responder to the caller.
  • Clinical decision makers were largely excluded from decisions made by VCL governance resulting in a failure to appropriately consider clinical perspectives.
  • No permanent director has been appointed to oversee the program.
  • VCL still lacked enough staff to answer calls resulting in calls rolling over to backup call centers contracted by an external vendor who were not properly trained.

RELATED: Suicidal Veterans’ Calls Blocked At Call Center

VETERANS CRISIS LINE IGNORED RECOMMENDATIONS

In addition, let’s not forget the recommendations IG made in February 2016 that VHA agreed to but failed to implement. These were:

Recommendation 1.

We recommended that the OMHO (now VHA Member Services) Executive Director ensure that issues regarding response hold times when callers are routed to backup crisis centers are addressed and that data is collected, analyzed, tracked, and trended on an ongoing basis to identify system issues. 

Appropriate VHA leaders did not demonstrate the use of the Link2Health data to improve performance. Although we found evidence that VCL staff reviewed

Link2Health data, we did not find that they used the data systematically to provide feedback to backup centers regarding performance parameters such as queue times, abandonment rate, and call answer rate. At the time of this report, VHA had not completed the necessary actions to close this recommendation.

Recommendation 2.

We recommended that the Member Services Executive Director ensure that orientation and ongoing training for all VCL staff is completed and documented.

We found that VHA did not ensure that orientation and ongoing training for all VCL staff was completed and documented. At the time of this report, VHA had not completed the necessary actions to close this recommendation.

Recommendation 3.

We recommended that the Member Services Executive Director ensure that silent monitoring frequency meets the VCL and American Association of Suicidology requirements and that compliance is monitored.

We found that VHA had not yet ensured that the VCL establish a requirement for silent monitoring frequency of VCL calls and therefore could not have monitored compliance with such a requirement. VHA requested an extension until March 2017, and this recommendation remains open.

Recommendation 4.

We recommended that the Member Services Executive Director establish a formal quality assurance process, as required by VHA, to identify system issues by collecting, analyzing, tracking, and trending data from the VCL routing system and backup centers, and that subsequent actions are implemented and tracked to resolution.

The VCL lacked key components of a formal quality assurance process necessary to comply with VHA requirements. Specifically, the VCL had not designated individuals with appropriate background and skills to provide leadership to promote quality and safety of care. VCL policies did not incorporate relevant existing VHA directives outlining the key elements of a successful QM program. The VCL also lacked a committee that regularly reviewed data, information, or risk intelligence, and that ensured that key quality, safety, and value functions were discussed and integrated into VCL processes. VHA requested a deadline extension of March 2017 to implement this recommendation.

Recommendation 5.

We recommended that the Member Services Executive Director consider the development of a VHA directive or handbook for the VCL.

VHA concurred in the original response to this recommendation and stated it would establish a VHA directive for the VCL. We found that while VHA had made significant progress, it had not completed a VHA directive for operating the VCL (such as outlining the VCL purpose, roles and responsibilities). VHA requested a deadline extension of March 2017 to complete the VHA directive for the VCL.

Recommendation 6.

We recommended that the Member Services Executive Director ensure that contractual arrangements concerning the VCL include specific language regarding training compliance, supervision, comprehensiveness of information provided in contact and disposition emails, and quality assurance tasks.

We found that while VHA established a new contract in April 2016 with a goal of improved quality assurance monitoring, VHA did not ensure compliance with the quality assurance surveillance plan for VCL backup center performance. VHA planned to extend the current contract for 6 months and requested an extension for implementation of this recommendation until September 2017.

Recommendation 7.

We recommended that the Member Services Executive Director consider the development of algorithms or progressive situation-specific stepwise processes to provide guidance in the rescue process.

VHA stated that they were developing standard work processes for all caller types including SSA responsibilities during emergency dispatch. We found that VCL managers developed standard situation-specific progressive stepwise processes to provide guidance in the rescue processes. However, VHA needs to demonstrate the training and competence of SSAs on the current protocol to achieve closure. VHA requested a deadline extension of March 2017 to implement this recommendation.

So who do we believe? IG said the problems were massive. VA says it fixed the VCL one month later, but only highlights one of many problems yet unaddressed.

Source: https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2872

cj

Once again, the blonde in the above picture and the bubbleized caption says it all. Who but the unkowing public would believe a fucking thing the VA has to say?

Dennis
@cj It is not so much a matter of the publi not understanding that VA lies. I have seen poll after poll that shows the vast majority of the public understands that the VA lies and has failed veterans and America. It is not a matter of an “unknowing” public – it is a matter of an “uncaring” public and make no mistake about it. I have read Roman military history and as an officer candidate in the Oregon Army… Read more »
Crazy elf
Dennis, I’ve also been saying “something horrendous is going to have to happen”, BEFORE America(n’s) start understanding about their safety. “9/11” was a small, albeit significant, wake-up call for most people. Yet, even after THOUSANDS of Americans DIED on that fateful day, only a small percentage of civilians signed up to protect their homeland. As time moved forward, we are finding out Obama, McCain, Hillary and a ‘host of traitors’ were, in fact, supplying arms, ammunitions and monies to our… Read more »
cj

@Dennis: I would like to think you are wrong, I bet though, you are indeed correct. A sad state of affairs.

NavInfPO6

Dennis. You and I have met, years ago.

VAISLYING INC
THE VA CRISISI LINES ARE TOTAL JOKE ON US TAX PAYERS @ VETS POTOUS TRUMP GET SOME BALLS @ DEFUNFD @ CLOSSE THESE VA FRAUD FAKE CRISIS LINES ASAP ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ex va
The crisis lines are not fixed and they have no intention of following vaoig recommendations. The suicide prevention teams are a failure in the va system. The American psychiatric association would not recommend treating a suicidal Veteran on an outpatient basis if they are in crisis. This is how the va wants to treat Veterans with failed attempts and who are suicidal. These Veterans are not stable and have no chance unless they get inpatient treatment to get stable on… Read more »
cj

Thank you Ex va, spot on.

Disgruntled Veteran

Precisely, Ex va. Your post cut as cleanly as a sharp scalpel wielded by a world-class surgeon. Perfect.

ANutterVet

@Ex va – I can’t add anything to your post. Couldn’t have been better stated. One thing, why can’t the VA see what you posted? Never mind, I know the answer. The same to every other question.

cj

@ANutterVet: “same as every other answer” is that as in all even nubers or all odd numbers? One time I went fishing with a dotted line, I caught every other fish. >

ANutterVet

@cj – Hold on here. Let my mind try to catch up with your trick postal remarks. Where did you purchase this unique fishing line?

cj
@ANutterVet: They use to sell it at the Kikapoo summer camp every other Wednesday. I use to work there during the sumer of 82, 84, and 86. I was the guy in the gator costume. I ran the kikapoo school of fish. We would teach all the fish how to turn at the same time. The guy that wrote the text book, was the same guy that invented headlights for airplanes. Later I heard, he ended up in DC, giving… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@CJ – Thanks for the Abbott Report. I can see all is well today. Dotted Line, LOL.

Disgruntled Veteran

@CJ – – – I think we have met. You were the guy in the gator costume? I was the guy who walked by and always said to you – – – “Later, Gator”. Costello says Hi(gh).

Disgruntled Veteran
Hallelujah! The VA has fixed the broken Crisis Line System. B – U – L – L – S – H – I – T I say again B – U – L – L – S – H – I – T Next they will offer to sell us the art work they wasted millions on for a quarter per piece. Easy to understand with their Actionless-Based Propaganda and Evidence-Based Medicine why certain vets might not shed a tear… Read more »
T
Have we been removed from the Obummer Veteran’s Terrorist Watch list yet? I don’t know. Not much recently about it but I found this; Louder with Crowder website. Googled Obama Admin Put Veterans on ‘Terror Watch List’ It really seems like the VA and a lot of others are doing their very best at pushing veteran’s buttons to get a reaction, argument, to lose it, or to hear some cussing so they can take some kind of action towards us.… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

Two more years of this nonsense – – – and a living, breathing veteran will be a criminal just because they are living and breathing.

Or to quote Nancy Pelosi: “We have to pass a Bill into Law in order to find out what is in it . . . ”

Not a good way to run a railroad.

ANutterVet

@Disgruntled Veteran – Who is this Nancy Pelosi? Does she work for the VA? Nah, only choking from the thick stanky swampy smelling air.

Disgruntled Veteran

@ANutterVet – – – Pelosi.(Pee-Loose-EE)

1. Futless former Democrap Sneaker in Your House.
2. Ugly Woman no make da las 5 seconds to da loo.
3. Spokeswoman? Depends?

namnibor

“Pee-Loose-EE” also has the female version of the “Joker’s Smile” permanently on her face or better mental imagery: “Botox The Clown”.

Yep, when she’s not wearing her clown makeup, that “Botox The Clown” smile is ALWAYS there!! 🙂

Disgruntled Veteran
Botox the Clown, or Buttocks the Clown. I am confused. Not sure whether her smile is a medically-implemented one, or just a naturally groan “Ass Face”. Heard somewhere that beauty starts on the inside, then works its’ way out . . . Could it be that Ms. Pee-Loose-ee’s brain finally worked its’ way out to her face? That would explain how her intelligence is ALWAYS on display for the world to see. I hear she’ll be available for social functions… Read more »
cj

@Disgruntled Veteran: Hook me up? That is so disturbing to me…..all I can think of is:
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Disgruntled Veteran
@CJ – – – Damn! Posted by e-mail. Sorry no personal identifier! Have to start using those on every post from now on. It’s Nam I want to hook up. Not you. Figured with his dark humor, he would understand. Nice ASCII art though. Where did you get it? Or do you make your own? @Lawyerlynn – – – Thanks for the tip about the Nitey Night Tea with Valerian. Tasted a little funny, but seemed to work much better… Read more »
cj

@DisgruntledVeteran: Thank God, I was still cowering in the corner thinking about that face. Poor namnibor.
I just collect the ascii from various places. Long time ago was a 3d chat site where you could walk up to people and talk lol, the used all kinds of ascii in that place. It is still there buy you need xp to access it.

cj

Just before 9/11 it was an extremely hopping place. now just web remnants.

91Veteran

Nam, if Pelosi has another face lift her vajayjay will look like a goatee.

cj

@91Veteran: Lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Disgruntled Veteran

@91Veteran – – – While I hear what you are saying, I am not sure either of us is qualified to render a medical opinion. We need a doc to do that.

Where’s Corpsmanup! or Lem on this?

I mean, we want to do the best we can for our bud. A long-haired vajayjay might be a major selling point. Especially combined with that one in a million Buttocks smile!

OLDMARINE

Have we been removed from the Obummer Veteran’s Terrorist Watch list yet?….I DON’T THINK WE EVER WILL BE T

91Veteran
You know T, the VA can’t manage to do simple things right before they get to the seemingly harder stuff that you mention. Hell they can’t even manage to answer their phones let alone do what you mention. Take appointments for example. I’m surprised at how many comments I read from veterans who show up for appointments only to find they have been canceled, or find out they suposedly missed one when they were never notified they had an appointment.… Read more »
namnibor
You have to remember that the VA’s Technology level in-use and application is just shy of being 80’s analog party line system, but be sure to only use empty cans tied together with string. The only thing that’s surprising is you do not see many a typewriter, nor do you see the old missile silo size ‘floppy discs’ that were as large as your great grandmother’s festive serving platter…no, the VA remains as near-mid-1980’s tech while surrounding itself with shiny… Read more »
namnibor
Remember that cliché saying that every instructor loathes, “The dog ate my homework?” The VA does this in reverse and pulls the homework out of their ass and ~**~-PRESTO!!!-~**~, here’s our homework, we already did it while being processed in the bowels of the VA Meat Grinder! This is nothing more than ensuring Isaacson is not upset by bad VA news and flying off the stairmaster first thing Monday morning. This is what we get when the VA is allowed… Read more »
namnibor
‘[“…The Department of Veterans Affairs is proud to announce that the challenges with the Veterans Crisis Line have been resolved. Prior to the opening of our new Atlanta call center, our call rollover rate often exceeded 30 percent…”]’?? Notice the VA did not actually qualify *how* they *resolved* problems? They implied they HIRED the problem away. What exactly were the qualifications of this Atlanta call center of massive proportions? Training time? How about this pretty important consideration: Is each Veteran… Read more »
Crazy elf
And the VA pays a Public Relations Firm $25 million a year for this Spin????? (a little sarcasm intended here!) I’m not sure how old the video was, which examined another government agency, on how millions of taxpayers monies were spent on a frivolous conference. It was Trey Gowdy who asked the question to a OIG representative “IF criminal charges were recommended!” The rep said “YES!” Yet, the agency had not complied with the OIG recommendation. The perpetrators were counciled… Read more »
namnibor
@Crazy elf- I think after this healthcare debacle in D.C. Swamp, President Trump now sees how murky those swamp waters are and do you recall what Pres. Trump even said in so many words about it? “I learned the importance of loyalty” (paraphrased, maybe) So, you are spot-on that the entire system is overrun with greed. We need to get back to only sending farmers to D.C. that are *not* attorneys. (sorry, Benjamin, no offense, but Shakespeare had a point… Read more »
Dennis
I had to resort to my friend Google and ask “what to believe at veterans affairs” Here is from the VA site recruiting mental health professionals; “People, Not Paperwork I don’t have to deal with insurance companies. My first duty is getting our Veterans the care they need.” Hmmmm. The VA mental health folks claim they have no,paperwork to do. Nice. This next one, also from a VA recuitment site about inclusiveness features above the caption a guy dressed up… Read more »
ANutterVet
Then why am I still waiting for PTSD in-home services that was promised to me last year? And, now the VA is saying that I’ve already been approved for in-facility treatments. Someone isn’t telling the truth. Hold on, let me again check with the VA Appointment Verifier . . . Ringing . . . Recorded message; All lines are currently busy, please hold, thank you . . . Music plays . . . Recorded message again; All lines are currently… Read more »
Dennis
If the VA was a civilian for profit corporation they would go the way of Bernard Lawrence “Bernie” Madoff. This is how we normally treat Americans that run their business the way VA does, which Madoff had simply duplicated and applied to non-veterans. Bankruptcy proceedings no longer concern Madoff. He is pretty lucky in light of the way other countries deal with the likes of him. I have heard that China has really interesting end of life care provided to… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
They sure do have some interesting methods for “End of Life” care for folks like that in China. My Sister-In-Law was a Christian Missionary living in Beijing from 1998 to 2015. As you can imagine, they had to be very careful not to run afoul of the State. She has quite a few stories about their “End of Life” care. Too bad we can not “import” those methods and apply them to AFGE/VA “Leadership”. Would drain the swamp and send… Read more »
NiteWish

In between that reassuring voice & music & recorded messages is IF THIS IS AN EMERGENCY PLEASE HANG UP & DIAL 911

namnibor

With a subliminal message making sure you have your location services turned-on your phone for better triangulation of the likely incoming swat team. Then an infomercial warning about travel pay fraud, because the VA cares.

ANutterVet

@Namnibor , @Dennis – I called the VA today and there was a change in the recorded message from my local VA. For the suicide line, options were mentioned to either push a direct number or to dial the toll free number. In the past, the message only stated to call the toll free number. This new option most likely didn’t help the process any.

91Veteran

You know the final, sorry part about that veteran being prosecuted for putting a flag on a fence is that if he is convicted and has to serve time, he likely will get much better medical care than he ever could at the VA.

Or he could sue for violation of his rights.

Makes one think many more flags should be planted on fences.

namnibor
Another similar analogy is a local cop told me that quite often in the Winter, particularly if really bitter cold, but not necessary, as it happens throughout the year as well: He said that someone that’s homeless or just really down and out but not suicidal, will call 911 on their obamaphone while waiting with a brick in hand in front of a vacant home waiting for the cops to come by and toss the rock in building’s window…just to… Read more »
ANutterVet

OFF TOPIC – Medical Clinical Trials Databases – Listed below are some clinical trial databases. I used the search phrase, “database of medical clinical trials in United States.” And then the phrase, “database of clinical trials for pain.” There are hundreds of websites online. Try using different search phrases for additional results.

“https://clinicaltrials.gov/”

“https://www.nih.gov/health-information/nih-clinical-research-trials-you/finding-clinical-trial”

“http://www.strokecenter.org/trials/”

“http://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-trials/listings/”

“http://www.genetherapynet.com/clinical-trials.html”

“https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/InformationOnDrugs/ucm412998.htm”

“http://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/how-cancer-treated/clinical-trials/finding-clinical-trial”

“https://www.findmecure.com/”

“https://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-trials/listings/condition/45/chronic-pain”

“http://www.lifescript.com/health/centers/pain/articles/clinical_trials_for_pain.aspx”

“http://www.spine-health.com/clinical-trials”

“http://www.fmcpaware.org/clinical-trials2.html”

“http://www.inventivhealthclinical.com/therapeutics-pain-clinical-research.htm”

lawyerlynn

They are devoted to finding something other than cannabis to treat pain.
lol. It’s not poison enough for them, and people can grow their own.
So it must remain totally unacceptable. Need to find patent-ready pharmaceuticals.

To treat nonexistent “mental illness”. Or whatever other lie.

ANutterVet

See medicalmarijuana[.]procon[.]org for some interesting information. As you know, at the current time, medical trials for cannabis is extremely limited in the US.

ANutterVet

And, review all aspects that pertains to Medical Marijuana. Visit safeaccessnow[.]org

Crazy elf
Hey, namnibor, I’m glad you brought up the phrase, “The dog ate my homework!” Well, here’s an article, I couldn’t even finish it, out today from; “Military.com/Daily News” It looks like the VA refuses to treat dogs any better than veterans! I’m not kidding, brothers and sisters! Read this fuckin’ article! titled; “Animal Rights Group Calls for Investigation of VA Research Facility!” 25 Mar. 2017 | by Nikki Wentling As I stated. I couldn’t even finish the article. Because it… Read more »
namnibor

That’s really messed-up, not even animals are safe from the inmates running the VA asylum. I wonder if dogs get labeled as “Other Than Non-Human Test Subjects” by the VA, to distinguish we Vets from the animals or if it’s just one lump-sum group classification?

james gallegos
This is normal for the VA to say things that they have done, but yet report after report later down the road you seem to always see Failed to do this or that. The VA is so use to doing as little as possible. I mean Management, after all they are in charge and are responsible for everything. All of us have to wait and see if the new Law to fire Bad employee’s will be followed. The only way… Read more »
Dennis
Good post, but in terms of waiting to see if they follow a new law to fire bad VA employees…… ….hmmmm. When I left home for my morning coffee and Bagel this morn, I explicetly told EACH of my Italian Grayhounds not to piss on the floor while I was away. I really laid down the law on this one! In similar vein to your post I am gonna have to wait and see when I get home if they… Read more »
namnibor

If it were the VA, the VA would somehow find a way to shit on the ceiling and make it stick…and that’s without flinging the shit, no, we’re talking ass up against the ceiling making a Dairy Queen soft serve swirl…might even be a peanut buster parfait, in that case, the dog is not even safe when the shit finally falls from the ceiling.

Lem

Nothing privatized works because of the lack of contract enforcement.

ANutterVet

Accountability works anytime when it is truly enforced.

ANutterVet

And measured.

ANutterVet

And, it depends on what and how it is measured against. Statsters love to play with those numbers.

ANutterVet

To manipulate the outcome into their favor. We see it all the time with the current Veteran friendly operations of the VA.

namnibor
What we need for the VA is a form of the UCMJ but since they only took an oath to kinda sorta save lives and have no real allegiance to the Flag, we could call it ‘Uncaring Code of Meathead Justice’, UCMJ, where upon any scandal, the appropriate hacks must pay “Meathead Justice” and be locked in a VA lab with running loose lab test experiment dogs unleashing some “Meathead Justice”. If all goes as I think it may, those… Read more »
ANutterVet

Nam, if were sell them by the pound, we can supplement our income. Dogs happy, we make money, the House of the VA gets cleaned up. Everybody a winner.

ANutterVet

Graaaaammer is terrible today.

namnibor

The dogs may not like the indigestion inflicted. That would only surely mean to give the poor doggy a thin wafer after dinner mint, then dog barfs-up and eats them again.
They say hell is repetition.

ANutterVet

Nam, I forgot to mention, if we feed the dogs these pieces of scrap, we may be charged with animal abuse. Another sicko option, is to grind them flesh through the VA’s own meat grinder, add some natural binders, then form the meat into small meatballs, thoroughly cook the humanoid to kill residual pathogens, rent a deep sea boat, and then troll for some Charlie Tuna.

namnibor
AG Sessions just gave a press briefing specifically telling the Sanctuary Cities are breaking not only the law, but the just printed law last Summer under Obama and that Obama was not enforcing the law…as of NOW..any city that remains a Sanctuary City or ANY FLAVOR of it, will immediately LOSE ALL FEDERAL FUNDING…supporting the POTUS’s stance on simply following the freaking law. Obama was willfully breaking it by ignoring it. With this said, I would not be surprised if… Read more »
namnibor

Prepare for a deluge of protesting butthurt snowflakes.

ANutterVet

Nam, let em violently protest, authorities will then have an opportunity to practice their skills.

Disgruntled Veteran

Should be interesting to see our states “political big-wigs” stance on this. Honolulu is (unfortunately) a sanctuary city. We are the second most expensive city in the United States, and the 26th most expensive city to live in for the world.

Political Big-Wigs from Hawaii cannot substantively help veterans who make up 10.7% of the states population – – – but just listen to them wail over the loss of that money . . .

Will be interesting to see.

91Veteran
Over the years, I’ve seen the VA come up with some lame, grab-ass excuses, but this one is at the top of their attempts at being pathetic, sneaky, underhanded and outright lying. The whole VA attitude towards the crisis hotline is one of, “well, we gave a contractor a contract, what more do you want us to do”? If Shulkin knowingly allowed this blatant pack of lies they call a press release to be issued then it shows exactly what… Read more »
Jo3n

Personally, I am getting all kinds of mixed up. The entire Government Swamp needs draining. This is just the beginning. God Bless, ant all posts are right on. How come we the only ones who can see it? I already know many answers to that…. Still, don’t get it. I think I have an ancestor who was Roman…

cj

c[_] COFFEE BREAK c[_]
===Be back soon===

cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va,@Jo3n: Hows everyone tonight?

Ex va

@cj, @ANutterVet, how are you guys doing tonight? Doing ok, really tired, didn’t sleep well last night. Kept waking up every couple of hours. sucks. This article today really angered me. So sick of the lies.

cj

@Ex va: Good your doing ok, not good your tired. Maybe an injection will help? |==|iiii|>————————-
Sorry, it’s the shortest needle I have.

Ex va

@cj, i probably would take it if it helped. LOL!!!! Yeah, they say they give you the shortest needle. Lol!!!!!

cj

@Ex va: That is the problem with veterans, nobody ever seems to have a short needle. hahahahahaha.

cj

Goodtime to have a marshmallow fight:

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MARSHMALLOW FIGHT!!!!! —–===(_() —-===(_() —–===(_() —-===(_()
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ANutterVet
@cj – Trying to be well. Had extreme tension headache around 6pm. All of a sudden, boom. Took generic meds from [well you know who]. Second round dosage, plus Magnesium, GABA, Melatonin, Omega 3, and a 1/2 cup of Java Joe from Mary’s Place. I don’t know how long I can post tonight. Expect abrupt escape at anytime. I see you’re doing some artwork tonight. How did your appointment go today? And, how is your sick mind, or what every… Read more »
cj

@ANutterVet; Appointmet went well than you. Sorry your having headaches, those suck, especially while looking at a computer screen. My sick mind hasn’t been right in a few days. There is a post from a member that has really been bothering me. I can’t get it out of my mind. I was infact writing a statement to everyone on the blog, when I saw your comment post.

cj

Thank you, not than you

Ex va

@cj, what post is bothering you? Hope it wasn’t one of mine. If you don’t want to say you don’t have to. I think some of the articles really bother me at times, but i think it is something i need to work thru because i never did get any resolution from the va. I think when Veterans win their claims it does help some of them sometimes. Some never get resolution and that angers me to no end.

cj

@Ex va,@ANutterVet: I am not trying to confuse anyone, Remember Lisa. a? She was the first post I remember. then another, and another, and then Amie, and others. This is what I am talking about.

Ex va

@cj, yes, i remember. Death is a subject no one really wants to talk about. The widows who lost their beloved Veteran husband is hard to take when the va is responsible for their loss. It is heartbreaking to read. That bothers me a lot too.

ANutterVet

@cj – A post from who? Distressed?

cj

@ANutterVet: It isn’t that of a single post, I am sorry I am not good with names any longer. There were probably more posts earlier than when I started viewing Ben’s blog. This started with a single post by a heartbroken woman, who lost her veteran husband at the hands of the VA. After that post there were more and more. I remember them all. They are starting weigh on my mind, more than the topic of the day.

ANutterVet

@cj – After posting, the sections for your Handle and email address stay filled in. A convenience when posting. Does this happen on your end after you post?

ANutterVet

@cj – After you post, fire a round off. Then I’ll check to see what you posted. LMAO, ouche, that hurts. Getting another tab of p _ _ n k _ _ _ _ _ s.

cj

@ANutterVet: Yes they stay filled in, this is a good thing.

Ex va

@cj, @ANutterVet, i posted at the bottom and jumped up somewhere. Geesh.

Ex va

@cj, @ANutterVet, this article did bother me a lot. Their compulsive lying is hard to take. The va gets caught makes no difference.

cj

@Ex va: Hey, it’s good to jump once in a while. Just look before you leap though.

ANutterVet

@cj – Was this a woman about a week ago or more? She poured her heart out a lot. If this is the same lady.

@Ex va – Sometimes I get a little numb from all of this, and then at times I get super pissed off. Then I start thinking of illegal things to do [no threat assholes]. But when I say don’t touch me, don’t touch me.

cj

@ANutterVet: Hold on a few minutes if you can, I need to scroll through my emails.

Ex va

@ANutterVet, touching can be a trigger. I know a lot of Veterans that cannot be touched. The dissociation is a protection tool. Your ptsd sounds like it is flaring up. Mine does and it is hard to be around people sometimes. Don’t trust anyone in public. That sounds bad i know.

ANutterVet

@Ex va – I’ve lost it quite a few times in public when someone touched me when they had no right too. And yes, I’ve been escorted out of the VA as well. Oh well, put me on the list.

cj

@[email protected] va: LOL I feel like it’s a badge of honor getting escorted out. Means we are not the blind ones.

ANutterVet

@cj @Ex va – When in a heated discussion, I’ll take them for a little emotional ride. I act calm, then get a little upset, then calm, upset. After a while, they get super sensitive and will not say anything that is offensive. The wife afterwards, will laugh, then tell me to behave, then throw me in the dog house, and cut me right off. I thought she was supposed to be for me? That’s what da paper say.

cj

@ANutterVet: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA……you win.

Ex va

@cj, @ANutterVet, the ones i saw being escorted out had legitimate complaints and they didn’t want to deal with it. I don’t use the va services anymore i can’t handle it and i have people there who have threaten me and hated me and wanted to harm me because of their damn corruption. Can’t go thru that anymore. Too disabled.

ANutterVet
@Ex va – I know what you mean. I’ll tell you, it came close a couple of times when I told them not to touch me. I used the phrase, “I’m in fear for my life, so don’t touch in no way shape or form, and I’m not threatening you, but just don’t touch me.” My wife knows how I get when I say this. She usually gets in the middle. @cj – Your right, that’s what it is. As… Read more »
Ex va

@ANutterVet, you ever been to group therapy or individual therapy?

cj

Damn it, I was writting an important post and I closed it out by mistake.

Ex va

@cj, can you rewrite it?

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