Major VA Leaders Unexpectedly Show Up For North St. Paul VA Town Hall

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St Paul Town Hall Jake Leinenkugel
Marine veteran, Trump advisor Jake Leinenkugel

Major leaders from the White House and Department of Veterans Affairs headquarters showed up unannounced for the North St. Paul VA Town Hall last night.

Local VA leadership including Kim Graves and Patrick Kelly were in attendance as always. To our surprise, leadership from Washington DC was also present including the Deputy Under Secretary of Health for Community Care and one Senior White House advisor, Marine and Wisconsin beer mogul Jake Leinenkugel.

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Brian Lewis with Jake Leinenkugel

The group fielded questions from the crowd including my buddy Brian Lewis from the Military Sexual Trauma community and me. Overall, the rhetoric was measured with no exceptional outbursts.

Veterans expressed their concerns respectfully and VA responded.

Questions At VA Town Hall

I did end up getting into a spirited debate with the Deputy Under Secretary of Health for Community Care about whether each VA medical center should publish their respective local policies and clinical guidelines publicly. I will get into that in a second.

For those wondering about my questions, here is what I asked about:

  1. Will St. Paul RO allow veterans who file a notice of disagreement to also have an opportunity for a DRO hearing prior to the appeal being certified to the Board of Veterans Appeals? Board appeals take around 5 years right now, and waiting that amount of time for a resolution of a due process violation is unreasonable. Some regional offices allow it. Some do not. This inconsistency needs to be resolved in favor of the veteran, in my mind. The regional office was interested in learning more and will get back to me. Kim Graves approached me about this after the session and, hopefully, the local office will begin allowing DRO hearings when VRE counselors violation basic due process rights.
  2. Will VA update its expired “clinical appeals” policy that was drafted in 2006 years before veterans had a recognized vested property right to their benefits? It expired in 2011 but VHA has refused to draft a new version consistent with the evolving legal landscape since 2006. There is nothing in the works to update the expired policy, unfortunately. However, Jake Leinenkugel said he would follow up with me about it.
  3. Will VA publicly publish its local policies and clinical guidelines to help empower veterans regarding health care administration and treatment? I had an opportunity to debate this issue with Baligh Yehia. His position, summed up, was that publication of such documents would not be appropriate for a variety of reasons. Further, that improving trust between veterans and medical centers will be accomplished through focus on being kind to veterans. While I agree that being kind to veterans is vital, it does no good to be kind to veterans who are killed when clinicians err. I believe VA is not the NSA, and the agency would do well to increase transparency. The debate ended with me reminded VA employees that they work for us, “You work for us.”

That aside, Jake Leinenkugel gave me some quick feedback and, otherwise, the town hall seemed to be effective.

I hope the agency continues to do these at various veteran friendly locations. It forces people like me to break out of my respective bubble to meet some of my veteran neighbors that I would otherwise not cross paths with during a normal day.

As my readers, I would love your feedback on the above three questions. How do you feel about VA publishing local policies and clinical guidelines? What would you have brought up if you were there?

How do you feel about VA publishing local policies and clinical guidelines? What would you have brought up if you were there?

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cj
cj
I would have asked, why is it that when a veteran files for a claim, and it is backed by service records, and a proffessional assesent, that the VA, decides to NOT consider any facts, and instead, procedes to use unqualified quacks, to deny the claim. This is what causes BACKLOGS, this is what causes YEARS of waiting for treatment. This is what causes BONUSES!!!! AND THIS, IS WHAT CAUSES MISTRUST!!!! I would also have asked, when are they going to start firing, not only the unqualified quacks, they use to do this, but also the person who ordered the… Read more »
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran

Excellent – To the Point – ACCURATE

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Thanks cj. It was both @Ex va and your thoughts that got me started to complete my comment that is listed below.

Bill
Bill

I could not of said it better

steven g larson
steven g larson

as said before I have proof on PTSD from leaving Viet Naum on my Mental condition which they refused to start from ,,,, signed by there doctors,,,,, as said my financial is ruined,,, I just am here

cj
cj

@steven g larson: steven, I am sorry for what these criminals have done to you, and I hope some day, while we are all still breathing, we get justice and see these criminals where they belong……..behind bars.

james gallegos
If you are filing for PTSD and unable to find anyone to help you. You can call Kenneth Carpenter out of Topeka Kansas, he works with veterans with PTSD. He will not charge you unless he wins your case and will take 25% of what he wins. Now when you request assistance, be sure you state you want him to file for benefits from when you first applied. Now if you let your claim lapse for any length of time. The VA will not pay you, stating you let it lapse. So you must ask for an earlier date. Any… Read more »
cj
cj

@Ben: Ben I didn’t want to leave it at that above. I know you have asked these questions, durring your interview, and also you have been waiting a very long time for your process to complete as well. I know we are all in the same boat. Didn’t want you to think that I though any differently.:)

Terry Wilson

“”Malum In Se”” Mr.Krause, pursuant to the any & all ‘rules, policy’s,memos,regulations and directives having the force of’law’
And being binding upon their application as cited under the “Federal Administrative Procedures Act”.The Failure to acknowledge said rules would/is a “Due Process Violations “. Finally Im personally awaiting a decision from the BVA on an appeal dating back from the 70’s issue. Please help me find an attorney. just in case I need to appeal to the U.S.Federal Court of Veterans Appeals.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Good Article Ben! I would like to attend one of those town hall meetings in my city. Small chance they will have one here though with such high rankers . . .

@CJ – I will take ten copies of each of those books. No shit. Sounds like some very useful material.

Ex va
Ex va
Local policies of va medical centers are to be available thru medical center memorandums (MCM’s) by a FOIA request. Also, there is standard operating procedures (SOP’s) for clinical specifics on guidelines of carelines standards of treatment. These are to be available thru FOIA’s requests. Ask if the MCM’s are up to date and revisions if any. They are to be made available thru the front office (medical center director, associate director, chief of staff, etc.) These documents will give you some basic knowledge of medical center operations and responsible staff. They are to be in line with vha directives and… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Yeah, that line about kindness was kinda rich.

touchavet@gmail.com

I would like to know more and understand this question.
Will VA update its expired “clinical appeals” policy that was drafted in 2006 years before veterans had a recognized vested property right to their benefits?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Ben, first of all, let me thank you for attending the meeting in our behalf, and to further your understandings that deal with the VA, and the VA’s other jurisdictional segments that includes policies, procedures, trust, and the open door policies relating to such. At the present time, I can’t respond properly. To be upfront, I’ve deducted utter bullshit. What a smoke screen of a show. And, it was live too. Wow . . ., VA thank you for the performance by non-professionals. So far, they’re [VA] still the same. Hiding and keeping information from getting into the hands of… Read more »
VA IS LYINF INC.

RIGHT ON BRO VET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

my mother is from Italy and I have been there when i was younger and he isn’t fucking Italian may be a towel head

cj
cj

If he has a red dot on his forehead he is a push start, if wearing a rag, a pull start.
Italians have no such starters,

Ferrari calamari, Lamborghini linguini, Laverda chicken primavera, Ducati manicotti, Alenia Aermacchi cavatappi, the origianl fast foods. }}}}———————–>

How can you tell if its an Italian aero plane ? It has hair unda da wings.

What do you call an Italian doggy with a no legs? It doesn’t matter, he ain’t a gunna come anyway.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

You one funny dude. Thanks fur yur humur. Wife went to go buy me a glass pipe since VA has reneged on supplying me with in-home PTSD counseling. Fuck the rat bastards, they have now forced me to treat my own medical condition. Phew . . . Yoo nebber can twust dem.

Ex va
Ex va
@ANutterVet, trust is a big issue when a Veteran has been betrayed multiple times by the va agency. The new administration hasn’t really done anything yet to improve care, improve claim backlogs and improve mental health care. They showed up to blow more smoke???? Do they not have the courage to address the average Veterans and answer their real questions about their quality of treatment they receive within the va agency? They can dump millions into advertising to try to promote their corrupt public images, but it does not distract from the truth of what the va agency is really… Read more »
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran

So, the Washington management shows up UNANNOUNCED. No one knows they are coming, so they don’t have to face the wrath of those who consider them and the VA useless and should be dismantled.

And where was advanced notice of this meeting published?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Good points @Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran. VA still shows it character of keeping Veterans in the dark, by not giving them the opportunity to prepare ahead of time with proper questions. Last minute maneuvers, will keep the other party in a state of confusion. Rat bastards.

VeteransCannabisRanch
VeteransCannabisRanch
Ambush. Came in on the sly. Didn’t want anyone to know. So you can’t be prepared. But they know and are prepared. When did this hit team decide to join town hall? Didn’t it take some coordination between them? A few days, anyway … But they did not tell anyone. Sneaksters. They could have called ahead. The name of that: good manners & kindness. Baligh R. Yehia, MD Says to use kindness to cure. But he doesn’t use kindness towards vets Or he would call ahead to say he’s attending. AND he would make sure vets have access to any… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

They likely published it on their Facebook page 3 months ago.

Or not.

The VA is very good at arranging these kinds of controlled meetings so they can get the proper message out.

Having veterans show up with facts is just not very helpful to them.

namnibor
namnibor
I guess my brain is looking at this entirely differently in that I think the VA upper management showed-up unannounced for a variety of reasons with the #1 reason of DAMAGE CONTROL, and #2 unannounced also because they did NOT want the WRATH of Veterans showing-up asking the questions that make them sweat like…SUICIDE PREVENTION, Claims Process, Gross Medical Error and Negligence….no, coming unannounced insures those type of questions are kept to minimum if at all. Ben asked some great questions but I truly think the VA and piggy VSO’s are still in their “SAVE THE VA” offensive/defensive passive-aggressive mode…… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
Being “kind” to vets is their plan??? Holy shit. Was this the beer moguls idea, POTUS himself or did they ask Gilligan to institute this ground breaking notion? How about this one? How about asking them when they plan to terminate Disruptive Behavior Committees? Do Kangaroo Courts ALSO fall under the new “win their hearts and win their minds” strategem? The Marine Corps has an acronym they say when somebody in charge starts acting “kind” – BOHICA. If the cornerstone of the foundation to reform VA is to ask these worms to be “kind” then by Golly, Mr. Magoo, you… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Better add a Care Bear or two to the “staph” at the VA hallways but I must intervene early here about the overly large purple dinosaur as I am thinking he may be a safety and OSHA violation blocking the hallways because the equally plump purple medical staph will make those hallways like a good game of bumper pool with zero gravity! 🙂 Barney the Dinosaur needs to remain the parking lot singing so Vets lighting themselves on fire have extra motivation to do so and the teletubies will just think it’s a second sun in their alien sky and… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

You hit upon a GREAT cost cutting idea – skip the costume for the purple dinosaur and just paint the senior nurses purple. The effect is identical. Nice add on namnibor! Of course you may have just pointed out a potential conflict in my plan regarding the dispensing of picnic baskets by making this observation.

Maybe they can pass out personalized and monogrammed body bags instead of picnic baskets more in keeping with VA tradition? No need to tempt official misconduct, right Mr. Ranger?

namnibor
namnibor

All pic-a-nic baskets must be checked-in at the pharmacy window and under no circumstances are external food or drinks allowed on VA property.

RAND concurs that stampedes in VAMC hallways incur structural damages that consequently may injure a VA employee.
RAND suggests VA employees use Veterans as human shields if such a purple stampede event is brought-on by unauthorized pic-a-nic baskets.
RAND recommends the Yogi Bear and Boo Boo Bear meat loaf in the Canteen Cafeteria today.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dennis, you have to wonder about the thinking of leaders who believe VA employees just need to be told to treat vets kindly.

Or that vets who have been used as human test subjects by VA ghouls would suddenly agree that kindness during a plexiglass spinal treatment made all the difference.

I suppose if Charles Ingram would have been told to fuck off in a kind way, he wouldn’t have torched himself on the front lawn of the VA.

How clueless and out of touch can these nitwits be.

james gallegos
New VA, Let the Firing began. Take no prisoners. Take no Excuses. Stop Falsely accusing veterans of Disruptive Behavior, when its the VA employee’s doing the disruptive behavior. Dennis, I asked Senator Corey Gardner’s office to help with the Disruptive Committee Falsely accusing veterans of disruptive behavior. Now Corey Gardner has refused to meet or hold a town meeting with his citizens. During spring break a group of people went to the Denver Airport to confront him. Corey called the Denver police to escort him out of the Airport. Colorado citizens have asked over and over for him to meet… Read more »
cj
cj

@james gallegos: Excellent post James. I would like to add, isn’t it amazing how totaly useless these elected officiala are? With their million dollar retirements, they themselves, are the apitomy of no accountability. Now that the Hollman rule is law, We should all word on an article 5 convention of states, and reel in these useless elected officials. Too bad we can’t apply the new rule to them.

james gallegos
I guess they just vote to pass law’s, but they wont help inforce them. The American way pass the buck, its not my job. Its like the commercial where the guy is seeing what he though was a dentist and ended up just being a dental monitor to tell you, you have a cavity ! and walk away. I wrote to Ben to see if he could find out what veterans can do when VA employee’s harm veterans. My past experience is that VA is policing themselves and higher management just covers up for lower management. They must stop the… Read more »
cj
cj
@james gallegos: James, thanks for the reply. I like how your thinking, have you looked into making sure your doctors are also lisenced in your state? If they are, you can do a run around the va, and file charges directly with your state. All of the doctors in my case are lisenced in my state, I am thinking of, not only filing an sf95, but also charges with my states governing body. If nothing else, it will be on THEIR record, for future veterans to use as evidence. The union can’t do shit about a civil, or civil criminal,… Read more »
touchavet@gmail.com

same here in Michigan. Not sure why I bothered to fill out all the paper works, nothing was done. I bet I was black balled in some of my records with the VA. They hope we all go and die quietly and not have to deal with us any longer

james gallegos
America land of the Free. Its not Free and the VA could care less. We are nothing and treated like nothing. Many of our elected officials are in name only. A pay check. Their Aids act for them and speak for them. We would be glad to speak with you about your problems with the “But we can not Guarantee a positive outcome”. Why even waste the paper to send a letter, when their reply states it all in one sentence ! More or less telling you, while picking their nose we don’t care and your wasting your time. How… Read more »
VeteransCannabisRanch
VeteransCannabisRanch

Brilliant reply letter James.
We can insist that they use it.
So far, though, they don’t want to hear what I say too much.
At all really.
I am too Disruptive.
Because of all that I have ‘doctoraphobia’ now & always stay away from them.
They are very glad of that i’m sure. lol.

Thanks for your posts.

james gallegos
your welcome. All veterans that have a VA employee hurt them, may want to read 115th congress 1st session veterans committee. Amend title 38, united states code, to provide for the removal or demotion of employee’s of the Department of Veterans Affairs based on performance or misconduct and for other purposes. 24 pages. I am sending a letter along with this and Colorado law on Libel and People VS Ryan. It spells it out and is considered a class 6 Felony. See if the Secretary really means it, when he says he will fire VA employee’s who violate the Law.… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@James Gallegos – – – “They must stop the VA from policing themselves and veterans that have been harmed need to have someone from the outside look at our formal complaints. The patient reprehensive is not really for the veterans and will assist the director in shutting down your complaint or reporting you to the VA police as being disruptive. ” Yes, Sir. That is precisely how it works. And the slightest remark to a VA employee that they may not like, never mind if there is truth or accuracy in it – – – is enough to get you… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
Did someone involve Gilligan in this Brouhaha? Ho-Lee Dog Shit! Nothing is sacred anymore . . . New VA Theme Song: (Tune Gilligan’s Island Opening) “Now this is the tale of the Great VA, We’ve been here a long, long while We kill at least 20 vets a day, Kindly with a smile. We’re starting this new Town Hall thing, to try to allay your fears, While you’re paying attention to those, we’ll kick you in your rear. We’re taking your disability back, it’s legal – – – don’t you fear We need it for our bonuses, at the End… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@Disgruntled Veteran– That was damn great! Picturing the V.A. Titanic written on side of their wrecked boat but at the end of the close-up of them standing on island’s shore, Gilligan sticks his thumb in pie and the Skipper slaps him with that hat. 🙂

It was too much synaptic overload for my brain though when I tried to imagine Mary Ann as a VA rat, so my brain just defaulted to original characters.

cj
cj

@Disgruntled Veteran: In keeping with the VA’s new explosion proof policy to build trust:
“Have a super sparkley day”
DV…………I think I have it………and now it’s yours to use at will.

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*****************ka maluhia

namnibor
namnibor

@cj– I’m sure I am looking at it wrong because for some reason my brain thinks that’s the VA’s Maternity Ward where they experiment with female Vets standing on their heads while giving birth…or something like that.
So, yeah, I’m sure that is way off-base *or* it could be a snapshot of a VAOIG all glass conference room upside down antics. 🙂

cj
cj

@namnibor: I am sorry nam, yes, this has nothing to do with the topic. Only the first remark was on topic. The artwork part, is for DV to copy and use for his own. Like the rat bastard one is yours only. 🙂 I see it is confusing.

cj
cj

@namnibor: OMG…..LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO……..there is that dark humor again. I did not see it till I took a second look”female Vets standing on their heads while giving birth” AAAAhahahahahahaa

No no, it is a hand sign “shaka” in Hawiian, I promised I would make for DV. wholly smokes. LOL

namnibor
namnibor

🙂

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@CJ – – – Awesome Shaka Hand. F*n BEAUTIFUL !!! While I understand the gist of the text at the bottom – – – the correct Ole’lo (Old Hawaiian Language in modern day font) would be ” No Keia la, No Keia Po, Ka Maluhia A Mau Loa” In English it means “From this day, From this Night, May you have Peace Forevermore” So. How do my sleep addled, TBI loosey Goosey Brain fix ’em??? @Nam – – – I actually HAVE a Rat VA Mary Ann at my facility. I would do her in a second. And take an… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@CJ – – – Like this?

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No Keia la, No Keia Po, Ka Maluhia A Mau Loa

Close enough?

cj
cj

@Disgruntled Veteran: Yes, that will work, also because of wht namnibor pointed out lol. I made an adjustment, and also a second shaka hand. The new one has a shorter thumb so it doesn’t lool like legs, lol and going from the thumb to the pinky are the islands, and I added your new wording to the bottom. Here it is, let me know if you like it, or tomorrow I will post the tweaked one of the obove shaka.:
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No Keia la, No Keia Po, Ka Maluhia A Mau Loa

cj
cj

@Disgruntled Veteran: Sorry, here is the same shaka with a lil tweaking:
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No Keia la, No Keia Po, Ka Maluhia A Mau Loa

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@CJ – – – Nam Said: “namnibor March 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm @cj– I’m sure I am looking at it wrong because for some reason my brain thinks that’s the VA’s Maternity Ward where they experiment with female Vets standing on their heads while giving birth…or something like that. So, yeah, I’m sure that is way off-base *or* it could be a snapshot of a VAOIG all glass conference room upside down antics. I can sort of see Nam’s point – – – and it is FUNNY. But I will be damned if i will do a headstand in… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@Disgruntled Veteran – “[…What happened to Nam’s disapearing post?…]”

Didn’t you know? I am a Cheshire Cat. How about that?!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Nam – – – Cheshire Cat? One of my favorite poet’s had one of those named “Jabberwocky”. Read about it in the Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats.

@CJ – – – More than my brain got scrambled while in the military. My screwed up eyes do not see the “shaka Hand” in the second examples you posted. No matter how many times I change the front two. Sorry. Really like the first one. Think I’ll use that since the text doctoring at the bottom works. Appreciate your effort, and the nice gift.

cj
cj

@Disgruntled Veteran: Okay DV, glad your happy with it. It is all yours.:)

namnibor
namnibor
“[…Further, that improving trust between veterans and medical centers will be accomplished through focus on being kind to veterans…]” Maybe it’s that simple. The VA plans to take the ‘Dorothy Approach’ from ‘Wizard of Oz’ in which Dorothy was instructed by the KIND WITCH of The North to simply close her eyes and click her ruby red slippers together three times while saying, “There’s no place like home, There’s no place like home. There’s no place like home”….open eyes, VA hack is still there and so is the KIND wicked witch hack. Maybe we need a better wizard and a… Read more »
Bill
Bill

They can waste as much paper as they want, it will make no difference….GAF

namnibor
namnibor

Would someone KINDLY tell me who it is on the far right standing with hand hiding face from camera in Ben’s “Bad VA Art” today? Hiding from facial recognition software or just a random body language of unfortunate interpretation by minds of likes of my own?
It’s almost a CLASSIC “Face Palm” gesture…so it got my curiosity up so thought I’d ask? 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Also, like a “Find Waldo” poster, I’m *certain* that somewhere on that conference room wall there’s at least three VA travel pay fraud warning posters, just can’t spot them yet as it’s a tough one. It may even be tattooed to one of the attending’s bald heads. 🙂

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Namnibor – The shyster looks like he is purposely hiding his face, or that someone asked a question that actually made sense and the answer to the question would really put the VA on the spot, or he has a dam headache and doesn’t want to be in the meeting in the first place, or he just remembered that he forgot something and it is bothering the hell out of him, or he just has a heavy case of gas that night. Picture is a good example of how many things that may be used to describe what may be… Read more »
LP
LP

Why is the VA run like every other For-Profit-hospital in the U.S.? Shouldn’t Repairing the Veterans be the Number One priority since doing so would SAVE thousands of lives & millions of dollars in lawyer fees, lawsuit payouts, and Bad PR cleanup?

The VA wasn’t established to make profits. It was established to care for and repair Veterans.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@LP – It’s called job security for the union workers. Your talking about solving the health problems of Veterans. This isn’t really the goal; a façade for others to believe.

namnibor
namnibor

I want to believe.
I want to believe
I want to believe.

Damn, these ruby red shoes hurt my feet!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Namnibor – No problem Nam. Check you mailbox, I had the VA send you a plastic square pail to soak your dam feet in. The VA didn’t even know what a plastic pail was. The receptionist was very rude too. I had to call multiple times before I got through to speak to someone. I was transferred twice to different departments. Its a good thing that the VA is changing for the better. Oh, those ruby red shoes, there has been many reports of the red die leaching into the skin, causing; rashes, blisters, carbuncles, and flesh peelings. VA informed… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

That’s only if a Vet was wearing ruby red shoes while stationed in Germany when the Chernobyl meltdown explosion occurred, but only on the windy days and in Berlin’s Red Light District…but the VA will still claim it was some acquired STD not yet discovered by medical science, not chemical or radiation.

Dennis
Dennis

@LP

You are right on your facts, however the point is moot – VA was not indeed established to make a profit; AFGE was. VA serves but one group of people, and they call that group the AFGE.

Town Hall meeting my ass! In the West we call it blowing smoke up your ass. Go to the godamn Union Hall meeting if you want to talk to those running the show. Dog and pony shows are usually a dime a dozen, but this one costs BILLIONS and the dog has been raped and the pony claims it wasn’t him.

namnibor
namnibor

May I have my AFGE Filet served rare with a side of fava beans, please?

james gallegos
with the new Law, the union will have no say about VA employees being fired. The new law supersedes all prior statutes and the Union. This is a wait and see, if the secretary will inforce this new law. He said he would and that bad employee’s will be removed. Their is a procedure or procedures that must be taken. In the cases where VA employee’s have committed a Felony, those employee’s care be fired by the VA secretary and can not be over turned. Any employee’s referred for removal or demotion and no action taken, all the names and… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Bens article yesterday was about the VA in Clarksburg wanting to spend $10 million for 25 parking spaces.

I can assure you the VA doesn’t know a damn thing about operating for profit.

91Veteran
91Veteran
On your questions Ben, if you think about it, publishing policies or guidelines means there is a policy or guideline that should be followed, and if they are not, what is the result? The only result there can be is accountability, and I cannot think of any agency, entity, plant form, or dirt speck more adverse to accountability and better at avoiding it than the VA. Every fiber of their being is geared towards avoiding accountability, and your questions should have highlighted for those in attendance how pathetic the accountability is at the VA. I would hope if you get… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Oh, and I forgot to add. Grand Junction held a focus group meeting here the 3rd of February. It was supposed to be an ongoing event focused on what the VA could do better.
After the first meeting I attended, I have heard of no others. I believe I was the only veteran, non-VA employee that attended.

91Veteran
91Veteran
You know Ben, another question I think you should ask, particularly if you ever get the promised follow-up is: Since the policies and guidelines are not published publicly, how do new VA employees, and specifically medical care providers get training on these policies? Where can they go if they have a question on something? Granted they may have some internal site where they can access this, but how are they made aware of any new policies? Or any changes to policies? I would also use the argument that veterans care and other benefits are inconsistently provided from VA to VA… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Thanks for the information Ben.,

NiteWish
NiteWish
Focus on being kind to veterans you say — reminds me of the statement in the Veterans Health Benefits Handbook -You will be treated as an individual – well that’s Not Happening. How do you feel about VA publishing local policies and clinical guidelines? Without a doubt I want to see & read with my own eyes local policies & clinical guidelines & I want them easy to find. I have read plenty of the clinical guidelines on Opioids, it’s the doctors Who Have Not Read The Guidelines, therefore they are not following them, overreacting &/or misinterpreting. I find this… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

Donald Harvey Angel of Death who claimed he was responsible for killing 18 while working at the VA Medical Center in Cincinnati has died from a beat down in his prison cell.

namnibor
namnibor

Here’s one of many links but this one specifically mentions the Veterans he also killed, many other articles totally omit those little details:

“http://time.com/4718981/donald-harvey-angel-of-death-dead/”

Ex va
Ex va

@NiteWish, Sometimes people reap what they sow in this life. People like him and killers of innocent people do not do so well in a prison environment.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Good questions about Choice.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Just now on WFTV CHANNEL 9 ORLANDO.
Lake Nona, VHA hospital is going to be taking job applications this weekend.
How many of y’all think it’ll be for anything other than low income jobs!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I forgot to mention, they’re looking for 400 applicants!

namnibor
namnibor

They can “take applications” all they wish, but the larger question is how many of those they will “consider” that are not related to another AFGE member, and how many are truthfully publically posted or is the VA just going through the legal rope a dope to make it look as if public’s welcome to apply when in reality, the jobs are already spoken for?

One things for certain, if any Vet gets hired it will be mopping-up liquefied remains or pushing a mop around behind some slug of a VA employee, mopping-up their living liquid remains. (yuck)

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj , @Ex va – cj check your main inbox, incoming. No don’t cover, just open’er up. Another will follow shortly. We have you thunder and rain coming in. Ex va, are you going to open up your window?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj , @Ex va – R U up tonight? Come on now, drop your c _ _ ks and grab your socks. Sorry, feeling kinda pissed off after talking with my in-home Nurse and Physical Therapist. Things are really messed up with the VA’s services. Getting upset, wife is really stressed, and its getting hard to prioritize because of the extreme and unnecessary and compounded stress, anxiety, depression, agitation, hyperviligence [spell ?], etc.. I’m trying to keep things stable. Wasn’t able to get to sleep until 5:45am. Just laid there in bed, twist and turn, twist and turn. I’ve got… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, sorry you are not sleeping well. I think that intensifies pain and other issues with you health. I haven’t had my regular sleepin meds. Trying the melatonin it is not working well. I am opening my window so you can send me a secret message to me. LOL!!!

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: All here and accounted for. I did just reply. Hope it helps.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: When I have a hard time sleeping, I hit myself in the middle of the forehead, like I should have had a V8, only with a rubber mallot, like the old time painless dentists used………..don’t do it, I was just kidding fer cryin out loud.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Man that hurts. Do you hit yourself like that often? How R U doing tonight?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Sorry, a lot going on, I totally missed you. I scrolled up some and seen your post. R U doing ok tonight? How’s the pain level? Come on now, lets answer by standards, 1 to 10?

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, @ANutterVet, i am so clumsy i usually drop the hammer on my foot.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, around a 7, i can handle it so far, if it climbs up then i take some meds. It affects my sleep if i do not take meds sometimes. I have insomnia. Need to get authorization from my dr. And insurance again.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: I use the kind of mallot that is corrugated plastic and has a squeeky in it. Only I don’t use it on myself, I use it on VA administrators, like scolding a bad puppy. “bad administrator” squeek squeek!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj @Ex va – Yeah Ex, you gotta watch when you get the big flare ups. Sometimes I when I get a major flare up, I forget when I last took my meds. I may have to start tracking when I take it. Right @cj? Please cj, put away that hammer, or plant it in the skill of one of those maniacs at your local VA. Never mind, give it to me. I’ll put it to good use.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: yes that is a huge problem, both from pain, and from being exhausted, keeping track of when and if……you took your meds. Sometimes I can’t remember and I end up double dosing, and the ride is horrable for about 4 hours.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, @cj, i have to use a box, only way to keep it all straight.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va @cj – When doing the melatonin, you should take it about an hour before you know that your going to sleep. After taking, if you start feeling sleepy, then that is the time to hit the sack. If you miss the time, then the melatonin is less likely to work for you. At least this is how I do it. But, a good thing to do, is to Google the about how melatonin works, and then apply it to your sleeping habits and patterns. Melatonin doesn’t hit you like a sleeping pill, benzo, antihistamine, pain med, or a… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, how many milligrams i bought the 5mg. It does make me sleepy but takes awhile to fall asleep like 2 hours later? The pharmacist said could take 10mg.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – I believe it would be fine to take 10mgs. You will need to find the sweet spot on how much to take. Then take it reg, but watch and try to stay away from extra stress. I think we all do the last part every day. I know that I don’t need more.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, i will google it and research it some more. I try to do the right things to sleep.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Ex va – I know you try to do the right thing. And I’ll try to help and guide you as much as possible. And, if Melatonin doesn’t work, you may want to add Magnesium, 5 HTP, Omega 3 Oils, Vitamin B2, amino acid L-Taurine [I’m not sure if it comes into an acetyl form or not, I’ll check later for you], and TMG [Trimethylglycine]. These are all of the ones that I currently take. And, you know what, it still hard for me to get fall asleep. That’s why I say to really limit your stress. Even during the… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, you are exactly right on the stress issue. I do try to avoid the drama because i avoid people. Been going thru somethings too. I have to finish something i started and i am not looking forward to dealing with the va again. I will have to just take small steps and be careful not to get myself too stressed out.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj @Ex va – cj needs a metal plate for his head, and Ex, you need to get metal toed shoes because sometimes, those hammers have a mind of its own. I know the two of you don’t have a mind. El blanko LOL

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, @cj, i know a mind is a terrible thing to waste. LOL!!! I feel some days i really don’t have a mind anymore. ROFL!!! It is sad but true. Blanks!!

cj
cj

@Ex va, Did nutter just call us the gong show? LOL

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I’ll answer it in a nice way, well yes I did.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: Ex va, there nutter goes again, sugar coating it for us….
Okay guys, I will be right back.
c[_] COFFEE BREAK c[_]

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – go ahead and get your coffee. you need the caffeine to get your sluggish brain to kick in. i’m getting a bagel and lux. only wish I had the money.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: Back.
Just had one of those damn dizzy spell thingy’s, and now my vision is messed up a bit……….

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – You okay? No pun intended, if not, get that mallet. You know what to do with it. Do you get those every day? If so, how often?

Do you remember when I shared with you about the Attorney General of Philadelphia was indicted? You know, he won’t resign even though his peers are asking him too. He’s really narcissistic.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: yes I am okay, I get them a couple times each week.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, did you get up too fast? No sugar problems right?

cj
cj

@Ex va: No, they are mini siezures, nothing to worry about. I get them alot. The VA gave them to me, along with a pile of bat shit crazy.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, that sucks. That can really hurt the brain. Va incompetence.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Forgetfulness has been happening to me a lot lately. I have enough papers and reminders all over the place. Sometimes I really get upset when I forget. Especially when I’m talking to my wife. You and Ex are so damn messed up, that you don’t even notice when I fumble my thoughts up. Normal to you two . . . LOL

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, that is true. LOL! What you and cj write even typos i miss i know what you guys are saying it doesn’t matter. I am messed up in the head.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Its always good when others don’t have to share with you that you’re messed up.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va- I lose my thought so much. That my wife finishes my sentences for me when were talking. LMAO

touchavet@gmail.com

I forget all. My head is so full of intrusive thoughts they occupy my every thinking moment and I loose important facts in the confusion and just as you, my wife sorts it all out for me.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@[email protected] -yep, I here you. The other problem that I don’t like, is when a third party starts talking in our discussion, and there is no one physically there. Its all in my head. The wife likes it, she gets 2 fellas that really love her. More money. Joking . . . no pun intended. Stress has been off the wall, and I look for humor in any situation that I can to ease off and remove the negative power that this feeling sometimes can overwhelm you with. The other thing that I do, is to imagine Hawaii in my… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, i thought that was called marriage. lol!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – That might be the way it is at your house. At mine, its “shut the hell up, I’m in charge now, when are you going to finish putting on the new roof.” Dang nam Ex, we didn’t even buy the new roofing tiles yet! See what I mean? Help me . . .

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, wish i could help you buddy. That is a rough one. LOL!!! I usually just follow to keep the peace. Lol!! If you lived closer we could get a team together and get all the honey dos done. Lol!! The lists seem like they never end. I need a team.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – You may need a team, I need someone to drive me out of here. LMAO

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, LMAO!!!!

Handcannon72vet
Handcannon72vet
NOTICE; iF YOU`RE SENDING YOUT PENSION / COMPENSATION CLAIM TO ST. PAUL MN. (MINE) WAS SIGNED FOR BY (R. MILAM IN JANESVILLE, WI. 53574.) I WAS TOLD BY A POSTAL MANAGER THAT THEY HAVE MOVED & IT SHOWS THAT MY CLAIM (WAS) RECEIVED ON EBENEFITS. AND I GOT A LETTER THAT MY CLAIM WAS RECEIVED WITH, A CONFIRMATION NUMBER. ////***GOOD LUCK GUYS & GALS! I LOVE YOU ALL & THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE! I`M NOT GETTING PAID TO SAY THAT LIKE THE V.A., SO, I TRULY MEAN IT! GOD GO WITH YOU ALL!***//// I HAD REMEMBERED THE NAME… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@Handcannon72vet, best wishes to you on your C & P claims.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Handcannon72vet – I know you’re going to look over the information on E-Benefits to make sure everything is in order. Can’t trust them.

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