Flu Vaccine Maker Owes Veterans Affairs $20 Million For Overcharging

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Flu Vaccine Maker

The flu vaccine maker Sanofi-Pasteur will pay the Department of Veterans Affairs $19.9 million for overcharging the agency.

The pharmaceutical company was caught overcharging VA under two contracts between 2002 to 2011. The amount it billed was higher than the maximum allowed under the Federal Ceiling Price (FCP) for covered drugs under 38 USC § 8126.

“It is important that pharmaceutical companies provide complete, accurate, and current information to the VA about the pricing of their drugs,” said Acting Assistant Attorney General Chad A. Readler of the Justice Department’s Civil Division. “The Department of Justice will ensure that pharmaceutical companies follow the rules for drug pricing when selling to the government.”

“Overcharging VA depletes funds that are available to care for our veterans,” said Director of the Healthcare Resources Division Mark Myers of Veterans Affairs, Office of Inspector General. “We will continue to hold companies accountable for errors in drug pricing.”

Flu Vaccine Maker Research

In 2014, the company released new flu vaccine research supporting use of more expensive, higher dose vaccines for elderly Americans including veterans.

VA later concluded the agency lacked the data necessary to decide whether to use the more expensive version given the higher cost when weighed against the benefit of an increased dosage for the most elderly veterans.

For that end, VA conducted its own research on 165,000 veterans to determine whether the higher does was effective. According to a 2015 VA press release on point:

If you’re age 65 or older and go to your doctor or pharmacy for a flu shot, you may be offered two options: the standard vaccine, or a high-dose version that packs a stronger wallop to activate the immune system, which is weaker in seniors. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says either vaccine is appropriate for this age group.

But is the high-dose version really more effective for older folks? A new Veterans Affairs study says yes, but only for the “oldest old”: those 85 or older. For those between ages 65 and 84, the standard vaccine seems to work just as well. The findings appeared online March 31 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

The study included more than 165,000 VA patients who got either the regular or high-dose vaccine during the 2010 – 2011 flu season. The study tracked hospitalizations and deaths — indicators of the flu’s more severe impacts.

About 25,000 of the veterans had gotten the high dose, and the rest the standard vaccine.

“The main overall outcome was that we didn’t find a difference between the groups,” says study author Dr. Darren Linkin, with the CDC Prevention Epicenter Program. “But in a secondary analysis, there appeared to be a strong effect for those 85 and older.”

Linkin is also an infectious disease specialist and the hospital epidemiologist at the Philadelphia VA Medical Center, and an assistant professor in the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania.

Lead author was Dr. Diane Richardson, co-director of the Biostatistics and Informatics Core in VA’s Center for Health Equity Research and Promotion in Philadelphia. She explains the rationale for doing the study: “Older adults have reduced immunity. So a natural question is whether the specific age bracket within the older population makes a difference. That’s what we wanted to find out.”

Linkin adds, “Sixty-five and older sounds like one homogenous group, but it could be that the oldest of the old may respond differently.”

The new findings contrast with those from some other recent studies, although the researchers say some variation may be due to the particular flu seasons that were studied.

For example, a study just out in The Lancet, funded by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and focused on Medicare patients, found that the high-dose vaccine was 22 percent more effective at preventing flu-related hospital admissions. The study examined the 2012 – 2013 flu season.

In a study of older adults reported last year in the New England Journal of Medicine, a group with Sanofi Pasteur, the company that makes the high-dose vaccine, found it provided better protection against lab-confirmed flu illness than did the standard vaccine. They also found it triggered stronger immune responses–that is, more antibodies. The two-year trial, which included nearly 32,000 people, stretched from 2011 to 2013.

The FDA study was far larger than VA’s — it included more than 2.5 million U.S. adults. And the Sanofi Pasteur study was a randomized, controlled, blinded trial — the gold standard in clinical research.

Notwithstanding those factors, the VA authors say more research is needed to arrive at definitive answers.

“It would be good to have larger VA studies looking across multiple years,” suggests Richardson, whose group examined only one season. She notes a multiyear effort would help control for variations from one flu season to another. In any given season, the effectiveness of the vaccine depends on how good a match there is between the viruses used in the drug’s production and the strains that are actually circulating that year.

The VA authors note other limitations to their study — for example, they looked only at VA hospitalizations. It could be some of the patients included in the study had non-VA hospital stays that were overlooked in the data. The researchers say, though, that it’s unlikely there would be major differences on this count between the veterans who got the standard vaccine and those who got the high dose.

Also, the VA patient population was almost all male, and tended to have more chronic disease than the groups looked at in other studies. But those factors may not necessarily affect the comparison between the two vaccine options.

Whether the CDC — and in turn, VA — are likely to change their flu shot recommendations based on any of the latest studies is still unknown. There’s a financial stake for large health systems like VA’s, in that the high dose vaccine is much pricier.

Linkin says that for individual older patients, given the data from studies so far, it’s not unreasonable to go for the high dose. The difference in side effect risk is very minimal, he says, and there are data suggesting the higher dose does in fact do a better job of preventing symptomatic flu infections.

But from an institutional and public health perspective, he says, the jury is still out on whether the high dose truly does a better job of preventing major flu impacts like hospitalization and death for older people.

“In terms of looking at these more serious outcomes among older Americans, more research would be helpful,” he says.

Richardson adds, “I don’t think we have the final answers.”

Pimping Out Veterans For Research

Maybe Sanofi-Pasteur will offer to pay back VA with high-dosage flu vaccines?

Either way, I am seeing a disturbing trend on the increased pimping out of veteran health care data and veteran bodies for the purpose of research.

How do you think VA is protecting our interests? Or, are they allowing access to veteran health care data for the benefit of special interests?

Source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/sanofi-pasteur-agrees-pay-198-million-resolve-drug-overcharges-department-veterans-affairs

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ANutterVet
ANutterVet
“Overcharging VA depletes funds that are available to care for our veterans,” said Director of the Healthcare Resources Division Mark Myers of Veterans Affairs, Office of Inspector General. “We will continue to hold companies accountable for errors in drug pricing.” Ben, how about all the money that is lost to the VA for paying an outlandish price for parking lots. How about holding those VA employees accountable. Another smoke screen to get the attention off of the real problems that is happening inside the VA’s highways and byways. I stopped reading the article right after I read the above statement.… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Accountability? Why is it that the VA expects others to be accountable, when the VA isn’t accountable themselves? And, another thing, if the $20 million was lost due to a bank robbery, the MSM would be reporting it right off the bat. I’ve seen nothing on these networks about this matter; ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or MSNBC. This matter should be reported as breaking news. This goes to show that there is a high probability that the MSM is purposely not reporting this incident. I strongly believe that there be an investigation to determine why the MSM is not reporting… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

If I were to eat hard boiled eggs covered in oyster sauce the local explosive ordinance team (EOT) would need to be dispatched and a 1000 Ft. cordon established with an entry point upwind. Oh, and gas masks will not make one ounce of difference for these silent but very deadly blasts from my intestinal past. 🙂

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Your looking at the gas masks that have expired. The VA Shipping Coordinator said that he is going to rewrite another expiration date on the masks.

Do you know what, I wonder if the VA does such a thing.

91Veteran
91Veteran
ANutterVet, I can only speculate on why the MSM doesn’t cover some of these issues, but I think my speculation is accurate based on experience and lots of observation. Years ago when I was much more active nationally on veterans issues, there were maybe 8 MSM reporters that consistently covered veterans issues. A guy at the LA Times, one at USA Today, one at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Army Times did until the reporter got worried about her access to Pentagon briefings. The best coverage was by a small town newspaper reporter in southern Illinois. He was an Army… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – 91 thanks for sharing about how the reporters had articles about the VA in the past. I agree, that MSM don’t care about Veterans, but yet they’ll report on many things that are so trivial. Who cares about those things. With the cost of airtime today, the MSM could at least keep the American public up to date per what is going on with the VA since Phoenix. Ass wipes that they are. ABC now is stating that they are REAL NEWS. Bull shit. I watch them every night, and catch mistakes and misleading statements all the time.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Nam – – – The reason is because military recruiting “for an exciting career that has a high probability of getting you killed/maimed for life on the job before you can retire” figures are down.

Seems the young folks today do not want to become cannon fodder in large numbers.

We all saw the “breaking news” yesterday regarding Syrian Gas Attacks. The drumbeats towards the next war we have no business sending our youth into, have begun.

The MSM is purposefully withholding these stories from the country. Can’t interfere with the military recruiting pipeline for unjust or unnecessary wars now, can we?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

*Off Topic* Yesterday name post a song that describes me to the tee. I felt so insecure that I wanted to go back to my childhood, because my parents were both very supportive and was ALWAYS there when I needed I needed guidance and help.

Acting like kids, when my moms wasn’t around the house [playing cards, craps, bingo, or the racetrack], my father and I would always eat potato chip sandwiches. Man, were we creative. How about you, did you ever eat potato chips sandwiches? If so, do you have an sandwich recipes to share with us?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Its getting late: above should say that Namnibor posted a song. Well, excuuuuuuse me.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, LOL!!!

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

Talk about songs, every time I see Shulkin, I literally can envision ” Howdy Doody playing! “It’s Howdy Doody Time” Talk about a Mannequinn Challenge. That guy is a full pledged meathead!

91Veteran
91Veteran

I still eat potato chip sandwiches. The best are BBQ hamburger with potato chips stacked high, then crunched down when you put the top of the bun on.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Sounds good 91. I’m going to try it. I’ll put on mayo, ketchup, and cheese too. Ahh, what the heck, throw on some lettuce and tomato too.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@91Veteran – – – Never tried one. Sounds interesting. I’ll try one this weekend with a teriyaki burger. Just burger, chips, and bun? Or do you dress it up as well. Gotta know that I’m having it “91 Style”.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I haven’t tried chips on a burger. I should have been more clear….sloppy Joes and chips.

But a burger sounds good with chips too.

What is good with burgers is thinly sliced ham on a burger, with onions, jalapenos and mustard.

A little restaurant in WI made burgers like that. Called them a Blooming Idiot. They were tasty!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@91Veteran – – – Sloppy Joe’s and Chips, Aye Aye!

Going to try one this weekend. Canned Sloppy Joe’s. I have not had a sloppy joe since small kid time in St. Louis back in the ’60’s.

Should be fun!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

For a “Stress Reducing, Comfort food” Sandwich, I tend to favor a Peanut Butter, Gherkin Pickle, and Mayo Sandwich on Buttermilk bread. Hits the spot!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Disgruntle Veteran Dam you sound disgruntled. Is someone expecting in your household. I dunno, its the PB and pickle mixture that I can’t get over. LMAO . . . funny dudeskie.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Been a favorite sandwich in our family to remind us of our Scottish-German heritage since WWI when my maternal grandfather returned from a six month respite in England after the battle of Belleau Wood.

namnibor
namnibor

@Disgruntled Veteran-
I’m starting to worry about what kind of “experimental research” the VA has been doing to you.

Ex va
Ex va
I am not surprised, just a little of the terms being used such as “accountability” be upheld when the majority of the time the va does not hold any accountability. So many individuals would have noticed the price increase from purchasing agents to visn contracting officers and no one stopped the purchase of the higher costing flu medicine. The purchase costs violated an united states code law (38 U.S.C. Section 8126) and it was still purchased. The idiots at the va don’t do their jobs and have to save face and fight it in court and conduct their own study… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Believe it or not, there actually is a Veterans Bill of Rights. I believe the VVA was instrumental in getting that passed.

At one time, it used to be displayed prominently at VAs.

They’ve been replaced with posters accusing all veterans of committing travel fraud.

namnibor
namnibor

If you stand still too long waiting for pharmacy order at the VA you will find a travel pay fraud warning plastered on your ass cheeks.
Those posters coupled with the fraud & corruption at the VA is what keeps those walls standing.

Ex va
Ex va

@91Veteran, thank you for reminding me of this and i remember a little about it. I will have to research it. I would like to know if it is legislation or laws protecting a Veterans civil rights and who enforces it.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@91Veteran – – – I remember seeing those displayed. Haven’t seen them for awhile either. But the Travel Pay fraud posters are all over the place. Like if I lived Outer Island I would ever want to come to Honolulu for fun.

More like, get me to the Outer Islands to reduce the stress. Too many damn concrete high rises can make a man crazy . . .

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

But the Travel Pay fraud posters are all over the place… thats because if you don’t claim your travel pay it goes into there bonus money. here at my VA hospital say you have 3 appointments in a month the first one of the month i get full travel pay lets say 35 dollars and the next 2 I get 30 dollars WTF … does this happen to anyone else???

namnibor
namnibor
What the VA fails miserably at with vaccines and infectious disease is no matter what they may say, they do NOT keep-up with current treatments and warning from…the CDC. The VA does it’s own thing with we Veteran nonhuman test subjects. Example: In the timeframe of this article going back to 2008-9, I recall a VA hack (medical assistant acting FOR the M.D.), telling me that I should take the flu vaccine in the nasal drops they were going to give me and I had to remind them that my private infectious disease specialist I was using under state Medicaid,… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
“Do you value your online privacy? Recent legislation repeals privacy rules, allowing your Internet Service Provider (ISP) to share and sell your browsing habits without your permission.” My internet security program reminded me of this recent change in privacy laws. Maybe this explains why I am suddenly receiving all kinds of junk mail from the VA on various different VA Mortgages and asking if I am a Veteran looking for benefits earned…all coming from the VA while all along am a 100% Compensated Disabled Veteran…the disconnect is very large because when I click on just about any of those links… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor,
I’ve noticed that also. Only, I never click on anything other than what I’ve subscribed to.
That way I hopefully won’t be inundated with bullshit!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va @Namnibor Right on pertaining to the contents of your posts. The VA surely needs to be reformed and reorganized. Its amazing how much corruption occurs in this Federal Agency. Most likely, it is also occurring in other Agencies as well. Geesh.

cj
cj

@namnibor: To avoid your isp doing what it wishes, yoiu can cut the head of the snake off with, hostblock:
“https://hostblock.codeplex.com/”

91Veteran
91Veteran
Yahoo is one site that will look at the cookies on your computer, and provide tailored ads and news to you. Google is another one good at that. I was shocked one day when I looked on Amazon for something, then went to the Drudge Report or some other similar news site. All 3 ads on the site were for the exact thing I was searching for on Amazon. All ads served by Google as services. The only way I know of to stop that is to set your browser to clear all cookies when exiting, possibly using an Incognito… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
I have three things of interest this morning! 1.) I read today’s blog on “military.com/Daily News” If y’all want to google it, the title is; “DOJ: For Decade, Sanofi Vaccine Unit Overcharged VA on Meds!” 3 April 2017 Associated Press | by Associated Press In the article, besides what Ben has written, is that “Sanofi” said they wouldn’t seek remittance for “…meds they undercharged for…!” How gracious is that from them?!?! 2.) “Senate Agrees to Extend VA’s Program of Private Sector Care!” 3 Apr 2017 Associated Press | by Hope Yen In this article, the VA will extend its Choice… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
A new and grossly inappropriate joke just came to mind after reading your post Crazy elf; A woman from the new Task Force on American Health was being escorted by the prestigeous Dr. Ben Dover Andgrin, PHD, down the halls of various hospitals in one community in rural Oregon. As she was walking down the hall she looked into a patients room and noticed that the nurse was manipulating the patients genitals briskly! She asked in an alarmed voice, “Why is that woman jacking off that man?!?” The PHD answered calmly, “He has prostate cancer and research shows that doing… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Something like your #3 was actually going on at the Leavenworth VAMC just last year…not kidding…’Deliverance’ Style…. Medical staff to Vets. However, my bet there was also a raccoon involved in the activities…it is the VA after all.

Dennis
Dennis
Here is the problem that I have with any statement from the VA – there is simply no way to know if the shit they print up is the truth or is a complete fabrication, and when the lies are exposed they just issue another press release…and more vets dies. Let’s face facts; Ben you are concerned about the “increasing” use of vets and our bodies for research at the hands of the most corrupt agency that the United States has ever known. It is an agency that forces itself to hire and retain the scumbags that absolutely nobody else… Read more »
cj
cj
@Dennis: Thank you, unbelievable, but true and to the point. If my vet treated my dogs, the way the VA treats me? I would cut his fucking balls off. My dogs have ME to watch over them, and to protect them. Who do we have? To your other point, and namnibors, amazing how the damn VA doctors DO NOT want to treat me, and yet they get PISSED that I am getting outstanding healthcare elswhere? Fuck them. There is another old joke, and it is more true then just a joke. If you have the best doctor in the world,… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
Do you know what the word “bonus” means in the context of VA employees? It means that if they told the American Public what they REALLY pay each VA employee (instead of what the official pay scales published for public pay) that public outcry would shut them down. If you bought the explanation that “bonus” means better employees and better healthcare then their Public Relations team definately deserves a bonus. If it sickens you that they brag about recovering from a corporate drug giant 20 million dollars from BILLIONS then hang on when you consider how far that pays into… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Do you want to get a good laugh? . . . then watch the Impractical Jokers Show. You stomach will be sore.

LP
LP
Off topic It took almost 11months (with me calling records every two weeks) to get my latest MRI images and report sent to an out of state Neurosurgeon. I had my old Lt. helping on that end as he wasn’t a shitbag while I knew him on deployments. Here is what I sent him in an email just now: ———— So, I believe I’ve figured out why your pals wouldn’t recommend a surgery based on the MRI reports. I changed doctors to get away from one that had a fit about entering information into the computer…she said,”I don’t have tI’m… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Not sure what direction to suggest to you. How do you know the records were changed? Did you have a copy? Or was the original report given to you verbally? If it was verbally, you could write a letter to the Privacy Officer explaining that the report you were shown has been changed, does not reflect the same as what your records do, and that you are requesting under FOIA and Privacy Acts the record in question, along with any computer records showing who had access to that record and any logs showing who changed it and why. State that… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

LP, My PC said old injuries heal over time. The orthopedic doctor said this will never heal. Therefore injury heals into arthritis, which is just as painful if not more so.

LP
LP

Yeah, my new PCP told me that All injuries heal…really? Have you ever left this office? Please say that to the 20+ Vets stuck in wheel chairs out in the lobby. Or Anyone missing a limb…or you can try to tell me that one more time and see how it goes.
I had 12 herniated discs…now I have 11. (Had one replaced) they don’t heal. They got worse. Tore apart more. Degeneration flattened a few.
Fuckin tell me all injuries heal and smile at me.

91Veteran
91Veteran
Ok, I will post this comment a third time since I copied it before posting. I will leave off the link that was in quotes, but it is still disappearing. Ben, you may have a problem with comments posting. Ok, I will retype my comment again. For some reason my comment was lost, but with good signal, I assumed it would post. I guess assuming made an ass out of me and me.. Anyway, I haven’t read the column yet and this is off topic, but AP has an article on Yahoo about how the VA has fixed the suicide… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Test.

“”https://www.yahoo.com/news/dismissing-auditors-va-says-suicide-hotline-problems-fixed-080315225.html””

namnibor
namnibor

@91Veteran- “[It must be hard on their ass to sit on the fence like that.]”

Holy Bat Crap! The VA has gone entirely rogue and the piggy VSO’s have plowed a path for them sitting on all those fences and smashing them to ground-level. I bet barbed wire is a real pain in the ass. But the VSO’s have had plenty of time to build-up callouses like a good guitarist. 🙂

91Veteran
91Veteran

Nam, I was thinking more it was the VSOs sitting on the fence.

They look to see if the VA throws some green at them on one side, while trying to figure out if the grass is greener on the other side from the vet buried under the turf.

Lem
Lem
I subscribe to this news letter from DOJ: “U.S. Department of Justice ” Over a billion per month in collections for overcharges to the VA, Medicare and Medicaid during the Obama Administration. Cut back to less than 100 million per month during the present administration. But at least they are focusing on the VA. But given the study needed, even this one was probably the result of the Obama DOJ. Aren’t we lucky to have the Trumps shouting for the veterans? Maybe it would be even better if we could get some action that doesn’t belong to the past administration.… Read more »
Lem
Lem

[email protected]” Email address didn’t take. You’ll have to google to get the subscription site.

91Veteran
91Veteran
On your question of being pimped out Ben, I suspect that happens regardless of whether we want it or not. I think Shinazi set a dangerous precedent where any VA researcher will be looking at dollar signs. Veterans and informed consent Are an afterthought. Am I surprised the VA says more research is needed? Hell no. Even RAND concurs. The question should be, why is the VA doing this research rather than putting that money towards other research such as brain injury. I mean, the CDC, FDA, vaccine makers and half the planet is researching flu vaccines. Why does the… Read more »
cj
cj

I have found the perfect video as an answer to anything VA related:
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F33hksTfek”
Save it, watch it, savor it, the genious is in the simplicity of it all. The cast is as follows, the “VA” played by the young boy, and “Ben” played by the boys mother.

NiteWish
NiteWish

cj Hilarious!! I was not expecting that.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj I’m sending you a box of ‘Lamb Skins’ so that you can pass them out to the employees at your local VA. Before I send them, do you want the variety box or just one size? You crack me up. LLLMAAAOOO

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
The strength of a ‘Flu Virus’ is determined by how a persons ‘T or B Lymphocytes [White Blood Cell]’ attach to the binding proteins that are located on the outer layer of the virus cell. When we get a viral vaccine [virus has been attenuated – supposedly the same virus but with a decreased or lowered viral activity, less active virus], your body will produce antibodies that recognize the active virus. The antibodies are programmed to attach themselves to the active, by recognizing the protein receptors that are located on the outer layer of the active virus. The antibody then… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

I need to get some sleep. Sorry about the grammar. Just had in-home Physical Therapy and I’m sore and tired. Now I’m going to step outside, and smoke the stuff that Dennis was nice enough to share with me. After a minute . . . cough, cough Just did a few tokes. WOW !!! Dam Dennis that’s some good up high sativa strain that you have. You folks living up in the Northern West Coast grow some good buddah’s.

Rick B
Rick B
Here is some more garbage the va is wasting money on… found this in my healthevet mailbox… ——Original Message———————— Sent: 03/18/2017 05:54 PM From: EDMONDS, SHANTEL To: Dorn Bro-Brow Subject: LGBT Community Resource Fair – March 30 Upcoming Event Announcement for all veterans and staff of Dorn VA Event: LGBT Community Resource Fair March is LGBT Health Awareness Month. The Mental Health Diversity Committee at Dorn is excited to be hosting a LGBT Community Resource Fair this month. This is an opportunity for veterans and staff to learn about LGBT-supportive organizations and resources in the community. Date: March 30, 2017… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

Is this resource fair before the CBNBC (Celibate But Not BY Choice) resource fair this year or is that coming next? What about the HAGM (Heterosexual And Got Married) resource fair? Is that still on this year too? I guess the VA doesn’t officially recognize the VACHI (Virgin And Can’t Help It) crowd, but honestly they should at least extend this offering to their own employees, right? It would be “diversity” and fairly well suited.

namnibor
namnibor

VA Voluminous Hacks (VAVH) will be filling the hallways after eating all the tasty snacks at the tables, whatever the group.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Did you ever think about making an ‘Abbreviation Book’ with all the acronyms that you come up with. It would be a good reference. Other Veterans and Local Libraries may want a copy, or two.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
All is far @Rick B. The VA is having Celebrating Days for those that are heterosexual. I don’t have the dates for these wonderful parties that helps everyone to get together and have a nice time. I’m happily stoked that the VA has these types of get togethers. It creates a good time for all of us to have fun, and to meet really nice people. Who knows, you might even find someone there. I’m going so that I can meet people who think like me. And, I may be able to find some VA employees that has some connections… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

I just use the sink, whether it’s #1 or #2 and regardless of label on front door of bathroom, makes all sinks fair game and it’s remarkably more ergonomic. 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

It also gives the janitorial staff some spice in their mundane lives. 🙂

Dennis
Dennis

The potty issue must be settled!

No longer can we exclude either sex from any restroom soley on the basis of sex or orientation! I say we define the restroom use using the snowy signature method. All humans who can sign their name in the snow without leaving footprints beside each letter use one restroom and those who cannot use the other.

That way nobody is shocked at what they see. Unless it’s an Eskimo village – then all bets are off.

namnibor
namnibor

Yellow Snow Cones today at the Canteen Cafeteria or at your Starbucks location in the lobby. Waste not, want not.

Jo3n

@Dennis, good analogy of the VA. The VA OIG is happy to report on something outside the VA. Every other day the VA OIG reports atrocities by numerous VA’s around the U.S.. Nothing happens. The VA OIG has to report to the same people who are responsible for the problems. This is part of the VA’s propaganda machine. The VA OIG is doing it’s job. It just doesn’t do it’s job well enough when investigating in its own house.

james gallegos
The VA is sure good at going after someone who they say owes them money. Not so good when they have to pay it out. The VA spends so much on things other than veterans. Hey I lost my Arm in the military can I get a disability ? 2017 Yes you can apply ! It may take awhile maybe you will hear from us in 2060 or not. You Veterans don’t understand if we give you all your deserved disabilities, how are we to live ! Oh by the way if you should get your disability, Please save your… Read more »
Cantigny
Cantigny
@Ben: Either way, I am seeing a disturbing trend on the increased pimping out of veteran health care data and veteran bodies for the purpose of research. that trend has been steeping uphill on the curve chart for quite awhile…no end in sight. the stories and infractions are decades old and still continues. its insanely absurd on so many levels. let’s see, if Navy pilots can strike due to safety concerns, i think it high time they strike due to the safety concerns of veterans dealing with the VA/VBA. some of these active duty personnel are certainly going to be… Read more »
lily
lily

So who profited off stock in the flu vaccine company? Probably someone working for the VA.

LP
LP

The top few people at each VA hospital and the pharmaceutical head shitbag, get fat checks to push pills. The top few and one other I can’t recall right now get similar funds for pushing P.T.
Even though the VA doesn’t really make a profit from ‘customers’ directly, they don’t and Won’t fix people because it cuts into their individual pockets…

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