BAD OPTICS: Trump Cancels ‘Bring Your Child To Work Day’ To Sign Executive Order

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Bring Your Child To Work Day

Today, President Trump’s signing of a new executive order not only put bad VA employees on notice, but it had an unintended consequence affecting some children.

In an odd turn of events, President Trump’s visit to VA headquarters was not all chocolates and roses for VA employees at the head of the most beleaguered agency in the federal government.

While signing into effect an executive order aimed at ultimately improving VA for its employees, Trump also cast a shadow on the children of those same VA employees.

Each year, VA and the federal government holds an annual ‘bring your child to work day’ at the agency. As chance would have it, the pomp and circumstance of today’s gala in creating the Office of Accountability and Whistleblower Protection also resulted in President Trump forcing VA to cancel the child-centric ‘bring your child to work day.’

One VA employee familiar with the matter stated, “Today was take your kid to work day all over the government. The VA canceled it because of Trump visit. Said they will do it next year.”

He continued, “Interesting stance. Nothing improves employee engagement more than canceling this event in favor of announcing an office that will help fire more folks… Oh, and also help whistleblowers. Irony.”

Given President Trump’s command over the federal government and his incredibly off-the-cuff statements about his tremendous support for “beautiful babies,” the timing seems not well thought out.

Do we give Trump and “A” for effort or should he ask his press team to wake up?

RELATED: Trump’s Support For “Beautiful Babies” Is Tremendous

Is it just me, or does it seem clear that the White House chief of staff has a horrible grasp on how to help the president look good?

The optics here do not look good, and the president certainly cannot afford unforced errors like this simple scheduling goof. For a president who made a point to have his 12-year-old son stand beside him when he announced his election day win, this kind of lack of consideration for his employees seems peculiar… almost as if someone is trying to help Trump look worse day to day in the eyes of the public and his employees.

Why not have the child-centric event on a different day? Or, why not schedule the executive order signing on Friday?

Either option seems like an easy fix to this unforced error.

But for this fan of “beautiful babies,” he certainly has an unusual way of reinforcing the parent-child relationship. Few things could help sway the heart of a corrupt employee than looking into the eyes of children, right?

Maybe I am off base, but the bad optics seen only within the VA could have been resolved using a little common sense.

VA was asked for comment did not respond concerning the cancellation prior to publication.

Creation Of Office Of Accountability And Whistleblower Protection

Earlier this week, you read here that President Trump announced his intent to create yet another VA watchdog on top of the existing VA watchdogs in the Office of Special Counsel and Office of Inspector General. The new office is called the Office of Accountability and Whistleblower Protection.

The premise behind creating the new office is that VA needs another watchdog to help the existing watchdogs do more of what they already do not do enough of – hold VA employees accountable while protecting whistleblowers.

‘Why not merely add funding to the existing watchdog offices?” you may be asking.

Great question.

Lord only knows what VA needs is yet another internal bureaucracy via the creation of yet another internal organization with still more internal rules and positions that must be created and funded by Congress.

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Anthony Holland
Anthony Holland

Well nothing would make Me happier than to Waite 3 months for an appointment only to find balloons Clowns and a ton of Kids roaming around the hospital , This is crazy the staff doesn’t have time to do Their job as it is and then some dumbass decides it would somehow serve the Veterans who go to the VA for care to have the Employees bring in Their kids for free ice cream?? Seems the priorities are FUBAR I truly don’t think the VA realizes the disgust the Veterans have for Them.

Richard W
Richard W

WOW, Poor, Poor VA employees. Let’s micromanage everything that the President does and spend countless hours looking for any action that will offend anyone. “My God, how could this happen” screams the poor babies at the VA. Let’s focus on fixing it, not enabling these spoiled rotten employees. I can say this because I know, I was a VA employee and saw the outrageous behavior DAILY. Why do you think the VA is so messed up? It’s the employees. I can tell you horror stories that you will not believe-unless you worked there. Not going to waste my time rehashing it, but just one example, a Veteran was trying to get into the Emergency Entrance, after trying the hotline, the buzzer, the intercom, the VA police, she had to hobble back to her car and drive around to the other side of the hospital. Then they told her she had to park out in the lot and walk to the shuttle, then take the shuttle back. I asker the ER employee why nobody had answered the ER door, he said “we don’t always have to be here, (at the desk) that’s our policy. I gave him a Same scenario, she’s at the Emergency Entrance, she’s bleeding, a bone sticking out of her leg, she’s scared, about to pass out from loss of blood and in a lot of pain, what is she to do? He said-believe me or not- “well, I guess that they will just have to learn to be patient.” I SWEAR this is the truth! I reported the problem and actually got a lecture for trying to get this problem resolved. I did get it resolved, but at a cost to me as I was eventually pushed out by the insane management.

I have many other stories that sound impossible, but unless you have worked there, you will find it almost impossible to believe. I got into trouble for giving a ride to a wounded veteran that was walking and dragging one leg due to a severe injury, gave him a ride to the ER door, told not to do this any more…. etc, etc, etc. By the way I am not a whiner, troublemaker, or liar. Just ask around, the VA pushes out the best and keeps the lazy troublemakers. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. Everything from just plain lazy employees doing Nothing all day to even death because of employees. Nothing was ever done, and while I hope it does change, I have serious doubts. If we have any hope, it will be now or never. Whistle blow at the VA, good luck with that! Try banging your head against the wall and peeing into the wind, you will get better results.

james gallegos
james gallegos

I am also a former VA employee and I agree management does not like to get bad news about wrongdoings and we hear from hundreds of current and past employees on how they tried to do the right thing and the retaliation starts.

The new executive order to assist the secretary if used will help and they will have no more excuses as to why they can not fire a bad employee. If and when they attempt to fire an employee and the employee try’s to bring in another employee to defend them against the charges.

when this happens, the employee’s must be advised to the seriousness of lying to investigators is a crime and if the accused employee is found Guilty, the employee or employee’s will receive the same punishment.

If this would be done, the offender will not have an alibi !

I am going to be the canary going into the coal mine and test the powers to be and see if they will take action or blow me off, as a crazy veteran who suffers from PTSD and a TBI.

If enough current and former employee’s and the veterans report these employee’s to the secretary, some may be held accountable.

I know something has to be done and they have no more excuses not to hold Bad VA employee’s accountable.

Former VA employee’s should be offered a review of their cases and if found that they were retaliated against and or fired and win, should be afforded a new Job, if they really want one.

I think the damage has already been done and the trust factor went out the window. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me !

Rick b
Rick b

Come on really?,,, now were going to find fault with the President because he interrupted bring you child to work day.. BS VA Employees could still have their children at work, it would have been a better day, the children would have seen the President in person as a kid , that would be kool… No this was not the President’s fault, the VA decided to cancel the event.. as far as the new office….more BS.. if the old watchdog system didn’t work they should fix it not create a new level of BS…….

fubar
fubar

Well said. Give me a break! This had nothing to do with President Trump and is not even newsworthy. Another VA overreaction. Let’s focus on fixing the claims process.

sitmwm
sitmwm

@fubar – good, besides healthcare, va needs to focus on fixin claims process. the va is one big popping out money machine.

SAVE THE HOME
SAVE THE HOME

“Beleaguered” means broken, as in the DVA (witness WLA “HOME” given away to non-veteran Brentwood School and UCLA Baseball). If engaging that larger matter prevents this special day, bring it back at a later date. What part of “care for them who have borne the battles” (DVA’s new spin on President Abraham Lincoln’s line)?
The new “watchdogs” are not the traditional VSO’s, let’s be clear. It is volunteer groups and individuals (for the most part) against paid government employees and, yes, VSO’S that are being funded one way or another (check out the oil from WLA) and do not want to bite the hand that feeds them.

Shannon
Shannon

Bad optics are the children of veterans who die and don’t have the opportunity to go to work with their parents.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I dunno Ben. I find it hard to get exercised over canceling a take your child to work day. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly it is bad optics, but having worked in organizations where this happened, I often saw very people actually doing this. In fact, I remember one time in the last 15 years that an employee brought his daughter to work.

As for the creation of this new office, I agree with it, simply because the VA has shown a long history of the two existing offices not being able to protect whistle blowers, and certainly not being able to hold those retaliating accountable. Why fund more mediocrity by giving them more money when they have shown they cannot do the job now?

My hope with this new office is that they take their mission seriously, and it allows many more whistle blowers to come forward. I believe it would be a fast way of either having accountability at many levels of the VA, or at least making the corrupt, bad managers slow down and think they might be affected.

91Veteran
91Veteran

very people = very few people

Angela
Angela

All I have to say is I am out of words and out of hope. President Trump’s Chief of Staff did not schedule this properly. Even though, accountability is being enforced to promote better care, the VA employees are still people too. There are some good employees in the VA and there are some poor employees. This error could have been prevented. This error was inhumane and points to President Trump’s administration. President Trump’s administration should be promoting a more compromising affect between the employees and veterans; but however, with this error, honestly, I believe his administration is adding to the crap with further dividing the employee – veteran relationship. I hate this happened. This is not good. The signing of the executive order should have been rescheduled. This is my take.

Angela
Angela

Although, the Accountability is needed as well as the Whistle-blower protection, I do not blame this situation on President Trump because he does have a full plate. I link this situation to his staff and the VA though.

Angela
Angela

And too, I believe the new VA Accountability and Whistle Blower Protection Office should stand alone. The office should be apart of the Trump Administration but not attached to the VA itself. It should be separate from the VA Secretary David Shulkin. The office should serve as an oversight office with answering to the Trump Executive Branch not Congress. Also, all PATIENT ADVOCATES in all VA facilities should be aligned under this Accountability Office. The PATIENT ADVOCATES SHOULD BE REMOVED OUT FROM UNDER the CHAIN OF COMMAND OF ALL VA FACILITIES’ DIRECTORS JURISDICTION. THE PATIENT ADVOCATES SHOULD ANSWER TOO, REPORT TO THIS OFFICE, and FALL UNDER THIS ACCOUNTABILITY and WHISTLE- BLOWER PROTECTION JURISDICTION. The VA is already too damn big. This office should not be established as an addition to the VA department.

Angela
Angela

And another addendum to my comments, the 24 hour Hotline that President Trump has been promising should be implemented under this new Accountability and Whistle-blower Protection Office. This Hotline should be set up to allow direct communication from the veterans to this Office of Accountability and Whistler-Blower Protection Office. If this could be done, this would be a WIN WIN to assist the veterans and get the VA moving forward. Although, it really still depends on the officials doing their jobs with accountability, ethicality, and humaneness. Trump can implement the whole world but the rest will have to follow with doing their jobs.

Angela
Angela

The bottom line Benjamin is President Donald J. Trump gets an “A+” not just an A. He is having to do a lot of changes with executive orders because of his obstructive Congress and obstructive Senate with including both Liberal Republicans and Democrats. I am not including the Freedom Caucus who are the real Conservatives who want this Socialism gone out of this country and replaced with Capitalism. President Trump signed an executive order for now but for the Accountability and Whistler-Blower Office to hold weight, be honored, and continued, legislation through both the Congress and Senate needs to be passed and implementated with being engraved in stone. President Trump is busting his backside to lead this country back into success and prosperity. It’s all these other nut heads who are trying to block Trump and trying their best to make President Donald J. Trump look bad with including the VA.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Angela – – – Yes, Mam. That is the “Real Teeth” I was referring to. Do it that way, and it would be/provide a real service to veterans by cutting down on VA management dishonesty by 80 to 85%. And they should also have the power to go after AFGE Union leadership.

Dawn
Dawn

You nailed it, Angela.

namnibor
namnibor

“Bad Optics” are the unseen Heroes that set themselves on fire in front of VAMC’s or blow their brains out.

I have nothing against regular children, just not the Children of The Corn AFGE Type. 🙂

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Nam – – – Well stated.

Warhorse
Warhorse

Boo-fucking-who. Seriously, take your kid to work day at VA?? About the only thing that accomplishes is showing the next generation how easy it is to suck on the federal tit. AFGE is probably filing numourous grievances claiming that POTUS affected their ability to distribute the coveted Jr. G-man membership cards. As I’ve stated before, and will many times in the future, Fuck Off VA and AFGE.

namnibor
namnibor

You’re onto something there. Nepotism at the VA was literally nipped in the bud for one year. 🙂

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Warhorse – – – Good Catch!

Warhorse
Warhorse

Thanks Nam and disgruntled vet. I call it like I see it. I’ve been to many meetings at VA HQ on Vermont Ave in D.C. I’ve seen the waste and shenanigans that go on there. That’s at the HQ, one can only imagine what goes on throughout the country.

namnibor
namnibor

@Warhorse- Thing is, no matter how thin you spread shit, it always smells the exact same way a huge pile of shit smells. I grew-up on a farm and Southwest one square mile was a huge pig farm and polar opposite North East one mile was a massive chicken farm.
Yes, two different varieties of noxious shit but at the end of the day, it’s still shit!!!

So go VA Employees. The Shit Smear Analogy is complete.

Ex va
Ex va

@namnibor, dad always said you can’t shine a turd.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Basically a good day for Veterans – – – provided this new office for the protection of Whistleblowers is given some real teeth to do its job. The more people within the VA who come forward speaking out about problems within the VA – – – the quicker corrections will be made. ALL Veterans will be better off for that.

I care more about substance than optics. VA can reschedule “Bringing the Kiddies to work”. Probably a LOT less “disruptive” to them – – – than it is to a veteran who shows up for a scheduled appointment, only to find out that appointment was rescheduled – – – and the veteran was never given the word.

But that has NEVER happened, has it?

namnibor
namnibor

On such days even the nurses trim their nostril and unibrowl hairs and freshly braid and bead their underarm hairs for the year and even smile with their pointy rat teeth.

In a mood.

Ralph D Carmona Sr
Ralph D Carmona Sr

So am I Nam. What the fuck do I care about a bunch of VA assholes, shitty little brats? Do they care that my grandkids can’t get help from grandpa to go to college. Do they consider what life will be like without their grandpa around? Fuck no that’s the answer! I’m sorry Ben I have to disagree this time,

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

I think we are ALL in a mood. I want substance OVER optics. If they put REAL TEETH in this thing – – – it would be an improvement for all veterans. But will they? Only time will tell – – – but the VA’s past track record for the last couple decades CAN be used as a guide to current and future performance predictions. How has their performance been? Below Piss Poor.

I think even Big Ben is in a mood, as evidenced by his last sentence “Lord only knows what VA needs is yet another internal bureaucracy via the creation of yet another internal organization with still more internal rules and positions that must be created and funded by Congress.”

Subtle. But does convey unhappiness with it all.

Jo3n
Jo3n

They make it sound like POTUS was at every VA. Why the Employees cancelled is on them, unless POTUS cancelled Their day. There’s just a lot of stupid people running things.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

jo3n good point (They make it sound like POTUS was at every VA)

Jo3n
Jo3n

I wouldn’t want to be the first whistleblower under this new ???? Is it retroactively applied?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I agree with everyone. POTUS had absolutely NOTHING to do with canceling “bring your kid to work day!”
This “signing of an executive order” was telegraphed well in advance for VA employees to still bring their “curtain climbers” to work.
Like one brother said, (paraphrasing) “What a thrill it would have been!”

As for the executive order, the truth behind it will just have to be seen.
Will more employees come forth with condemnation about VA?
Will the current Whistleblowers see justice from those who retaliate against them?
Will poor, or incompetent, employees be fired expeditiously?
Will those employees, who have committed criminal acts, be not only fired – but see charges brought against them?

Questions! Questions! Questions!
Will we see answers?
Only time will tell!!!!!!

Ashley
Ashley

Why couldn’t they just reschedule the kids coming for next week or something? They didn’t have to cancel it completely. Geez

Shannon
Shannon

Well, then they couldn’t complain.

Dawn
Dawn

It was unnecessary to cancel “Take your child to work day,” which is an annual nation-wide event that has taken place in both the private and public sectors. Parents have to go to some effort to plan and prepare–coordinate with school, resolve with ex-spouse who’s going to take the child to work. VA sent an email notifying employees the day was canceled on the day before. It was wrong and unnecessary. VA manipulated the optics of the visit. Only the higher tiered SES’s and political appointees and carefully selected disabled employees were allowed to attend. The event was held at 16:30 and all VA employees were required to clear out of the building by 13:00. So, the kids would have left by 13:00. Most people left at noon for lunch and didn’t return. Regarding the E.O., I’m a whistleblower and have been mercilessly retaliated against for the past two years since I reported wrongdoings by my boss. My immediate supervisor was forced to retire, but it took two years to get there, and the blowback continues. The VA bureaucracy has a greater hold on VA than anything/one else. I really doubt this will make a difference. I have tried to remove people; those are very long stories.

sitmwm
sitmwm

contact me, i’ll show you what to put in your bosses coffee. you can buy product at your local pharmacy, or still some from the va’s pharmacy, i don’t care. add this to their food, then watch as they fall to the floor in pain, foam from the mouth as they try to ask for help, then after they expire, you can have the janitor come and clean up their excrement. don’t worry, va employees have full insurance and burial costs are take care of. sound good?

Shannon
Shannon

We want them accountable and punished…not dead (or at least I don’t)

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Shannon – – – Precisely. Held accountable and punished to the full extent of the law. Death would be too swift and merciful for them. Keep them alive and let them suffer.

sitmwm
sitmwm

steal instead of still. i got so excited that i misspelled the word.

sitmwm
sitmwm

your a softie, they’ll run all over you. man or woman up. by the way, can someone please post this Executive Order by Trump. i’d like to see what and how whistleblowers will be protected, plus all the other goodies that most of us have been waiting for. shall i bring fans for any smokescreens?

sitmwm
sitmwm

Shannon, no worries, i’m just razzing you. i’ll fedex shovels to va facilities. humor, humor, oh that sicko humor.

Dawn
Dawn

lol. Thank you sitmwm. I appreciate you humorous advice. It helps, really, any moral (immoral?) support helps.

Ex va
Ex va

@Dawn, i appreciate different opinions and views in a discussion but, you know that you are in a disabled Veteran blog, right? I take it you are still employed at the va and was given half a day off today, but upset that you could not bring your child to work and the inconvenience of scheduling with the school and the ex-spouse ruined your day.

Do you have any idea what a disabled person struggles with just to walk or get themselves something to eat when they are in such pain because of war injuries or trauma from loss of limb or eyesight? Can you relate to those struggles? That is a disabled Veteran, it is physical and psychological pain on a scale such as being in a war zone or injury related to the hazards of being in the military.

When you complain about the President of the United States caused you inconvenience and the va was inconsiderate on changing what was to be scheduled, i am totally speechless.

Madame i believe you are out of touch and lack compassion or consideration for a fallen warrior and you are part of the callusness that infects the va. I have personally observed va employees make funny comments because a Veteran had anxiety so severe they could not control their bodily functions. You i believe are cut probably from the same cloth.

Have you seen these young men returning from this war waiting in line with only a crutch with no hand or foot? Have you seen the brokenness of their eyes and faces??? They are disabled, crippled, traumatized in pain they don’t understand and waiting for someone who is paid to help them. They keep on waiting for help and they sometimes never receive any before they take their own lives.

They are too young to be this disabled, some of these returning from war. They look like they should be in high school or college, they are too damn young. Their shattered faces, bloodshot eyes with dark circles from no sleep and so thin because they can’t eat because they are too traumatized.

Then you have older Veterans waiting for years and years to be heard for being exposed to agent orange, injuries in war and injuries just serving their country. No justice and they die because of age or disease linked to the war they suffered. They give up hope and end their lives sometimes at the place that is suppose to help them, va medical centers and clinics.

I do not believe that any of what i stated will affect you because i believe you can only understand your own little world and your own little problems. You seem very small to me of a person and i see no heart or compassion in you. I tried to give you a different perspective, but i feel i probably failed.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Parents have to go to some effort to plan and prepare–coordinate .BOO HOO HOO .IF IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR IN THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR YOU KNOW ABOUT IT WELL IN ADVANCE….. AND YOUR STATMENT i believe you can only understand your own little world and your own little problems. You seem very small to me of a person and i see no heart or compassion in you….SO YOUR PROBLEMS ARE BIG AND OUR PROBLEMS AIN’T SHIT TO YOU, YOU SELF CENTERED BITCH….YOU NEED TO BUY ANOTHER CRYSTAL BALL BECAUSE THE ONE YOU ARE USING IS BROKEN

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

SORRY EX VA GOT YOU CONFUSED WITH DAWN… I NEED MORE COFFEE

?ex va
?ex va

@OLDMARINE, LMAO!!! Thank you, you had me laughing again this afternoon. Hahahaha!! I have trouble remembering half of what is say anyways. Trolls are ??!!!! Seymore has the skills to get them in trouble on this site. Troll Dawn or Tony or whatever definitely may have to answer to coming on a disabled veteran site causing trouble.

Dawn
Dawn

ex va and old marine: If you consider any post you don’t understand or with which you disagree to have been posted by a troll, that tells you one thing: You’re the troll. I also noted there is an Ex va and a ?ex va. Act like men.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I JUST BOUGHT A CRISTAL BALL AND IT TELLS ME YOUR NOT MARRIED BECAUSE YOU COULDN’T EVEN FIND HUMOR AT THE COMEDY CLUB …ALL WORK AND NO PLAY WILL SURELY MAKE YOU THAT WAY …..HAVE A GREAT NIGHT

?ex va
?ex va

@Dawn, i don’t understand what you motivation is or the pain you are in. Pain will not go away as long as you continue to inflict it on others. You may have to reap what you sow, i would be cautious.

I use my same name, i elect to put shit in front of it from time to time trying to be a little funny. Probably is a little juvenile but can be somewhat entertaining for myself. I will make fun of myself, it helps me and maybe someone else will get a chuckle out of it. If that is offensive to someone they will tell me i believe.

I don’t try to be anyone else except i don’t tell many who my identity is, because i have had been thru hell with the vaoig and va and that threat is real so i choose anonymity. And i don’t want anyone else hurt in the crossfire.
If i can tell someone how the va really operates i will do it because i did it when i worked there. I blew the whistle and would do it again because someone taking another’s life is WRONG!!! No matter what professional capacity they do it in, it is still wrong by God’s standards and man’s too. My fault was believing in a system that fails, believing in justice that died so long ago in that va agency. Again, my fault.

I have no doubt you work for the va in some capacity, you talk like them and you choose to disrupt a blog for disabled Veterans. So, i think you have been warned of harassment. If this is how you make your income coming on blogs with disruption and harassment you need to consider the harm you may be causing.

These disabled Veteran men and women do the best they can with their disabilities and express themselves honorably and honestly. I don’t know if i can reach any part of your humanity left in you and this is probably a wasted post but i am trying to reach out to as a human being. I will not acknowledge you anymore. Stop this now!!!

Have to get away from this blog for awhile. Peace.

Dawn
Dawn

Again, you are projecting your own qualities, actions, and motivations onto me. I’ve revealed far more personal details about myself than you have, and you proved your lack of empathy. I suspect you are an ex va employee removed for not doing his job. Your vaoig excuse makes no sense. If you don’t currently work for va, you don’t have to worry about oig. oig doesn’t investigate an employee without a reason.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Yeah I gotta call bullshit on that OIG comment about them having a reason to investigate an employee, which was not stated by exva that he was the target.

If the IG was investigating an employee in the last 8-10 years, it was because they were either forced to, or they were being used as a tool to retaliate against that employee.

The VAOIG under Griffin saw the handwriting on the wall under Obama and decided to investigate very little, if anything because Griffin saw Obama fire 4 IGs at other agencies.

Hell Griffin even gave Tomah a “nothing to see here” over Candyland, and only re-opened an investigation after it became too politically hot to ignore anymore.

The IG under Missal hasn’t improved much.

I called their hotline last year about ongoing fraud, and got a snotty response from the operator about what they investigate.

Almost a full year later, I get a letter from them stating what they investigate, and that I needed to sign a release acknowledging that if they investigated, identifying information would be released to VA management…as if that would intimidate me.

Considering the hell I raised over that issue with congressional inquiries and emails to McDonald, and the issue only resolved after I sent a FOIA to McDonald’s office asking for documentation of actions his office took to resolve the problem, I didn’t much care whether they released my information to lazy VA bureaucrats…and told them so in my response…which included the chairman of the House VA Committee.

The VA IG office in their entirety has been as useless as nuts on Caitlyn, or as worthless as any promise made by VA management.

I don’t know what your experience is with the VAIGs office, but it sure as hell is not what veterans experience.

Look up what they investigate. Ask yourself how many dead vets it takes for them to get off their ass and investigate patient safety issues.

Here’s a hint…that office says it must be significant patient safety issues, so unless a VA provider is blatant in their malpractice, the IGs office doesn’t give a shit.

Dawn
Dawn

91Veteran: You nailed it. What you describe regarding the OIG is part of / adds to the problem.

james gallegos
james gallegos

maybe the employees should stay home and take care of their kids. No that would not be fair to the kids.
can you imagine what some of these kids have to go through at home. If they act the same way as they treat veterans BAD

Dawn
Dawn

91Veteran: I’m not surprised by your experience. I tried to bring my bosses’ illegal activities to the OIG, and I couldn’t contact them. The SES’s determine who gets investigated. But if you were a whistleblower who’s been out of VA for a while, the OIG would not be investigating you. I think their scrutiny is intended to push “troublemakers” out.

sitmwm
sitmwm

i want to know when va is rescheduling, ‘kiddies see what your mudder and fudder does at work.’ i will arrange for my spouse to go to dc, sit with the curtain climbing brats, give them some cookies, and then show and tell them how to take advantage of their parents. lets corrupt va employee’s children. do you want to buy a bus ticket to the next ‘bring your kiddie to work day at your local va?’ sign here ……….

Ex va
Ex va

I find this kinda humorous hahahahahahahaha!!!! what makes anyone think that always a new agency will fix where another agency fails… Don’t think it will work, i really wish it would work and may test the waters. Just saw so much corruption at that agency. I have this feeling that POTUS doesn’t care much for his federal workers feelings. Hahahahahahaha!!!

va didn’t recognize the laws that were in place to stop the corruption in the first place and this new agency will enforce the laws? Who will have the jurisdiction? vaoig claims they are the ones with the jurisdiction to prosecute so why don’t they???

Having a cancellation for kiddie day at mommy’s or daddy’s workplace i find to be hilarious. The va should be ashamed of their work efforts in the va system. The va employee that doesn’t work should be embarrassed to take their child to their workplace. They fail Veterans in the hundreds if not thousands daily.

Windguy
Windguy

Ben asked, “Is it just me, or does it seem clear that the White House chief of staff has a horrible grasp on how to help the president look good?”.

I guess this assumes that this president is capable of listening to anyone else trying to manage his brand/image. I don’t get a sense that this guy is wired that way. That said, I could really care less about a government union taking another day off – as much as I like kids.

Ex va
Ex va

@Windguy, it is like POTUS does not care what is his brand or image. i like kids too. they would be the innocent ones to have their feelings in what happened in the cancellation.

sitmwm
sitmwm

what does ex va stand for? did you use to live in Virginia? use to know someone by the name of Virginia? need some Virginia? what does ex va mean?

sitmwm
sitmwm

i went through some old medicine bags, and found some tabs of pills in out of date prescriptions. i forgot about this bag. the pills looked fine, and when i pressed on them, the tablets didn’t crumble. although the pills looked like they were sweating micro-beads of moisture. i wiped them off, took 3 of them on an empty stomach, waited 20 minutes, and luckily, it was enough to help me feel a little better. feels like it may be enough to cut the edge off. now i’m trying to find my friends phone number who is in charge of another va pharmacy in another facility in south cali. he told me that he has a counterfeit duplicate key for the brand name drug formulary cabinet. my friend told me that he is the busiest on days with a lot of stress in the va facility. he further confided with me, that the va will always be corrupt, and work against veterans and overseers. where’s that dam number . . . an episode of pretend.

Ex va
Ex va

@sitmwm, i was unfortunately an employee at a va medical center. I found corruption in the va system i reported it as per policies and suffered retaliation for it. Never did get justice for some of the complaints. They just turned up missing. Sorry, i am not from Virginia, i hear that is a nice state to live in.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Ex va – – – Have you figured out who SITMWM is yet? Writing style gives him away.

Ex va
Ex va

@Disgruntled Veteran, i don’t know? LOL!!! Is is you or ANutterVet. It is not cj right?

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Ex va – – – Not me. I do not play those kind of games. My humor can be sick, but I take what I read (and those I correspond with) here seriously. Way I see it, Multiple Posting Identity Disorder impedes what most of us are trying to accomplish here.

Major decision I was referring to the other night, was that I was thinking about beginning to post using my REAL name. Seeing these kind of games played here – – – makes me wonder.

And cj was not playing games. Identified himself correctly as cj – – – just in morse code. But I understood it, as you saw.

Sad, because this now calls into question everything SITMWM’s alter-ego ever told me. And I wonder can I really trust them?

Ex va
Ex va

@Disgruntled Veteran, it has to be ANutterVet. He has fooled me before. LOL!

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@Ex VA,@Disgruntled Veteran,@Joan: I have never posted under a different handle. I have changed the look though, to be clear, cj is the same as -.-. .— just in the look of morse code. Just the kid in me, and I like the way it looks. I sure thought I made this perfectly clear to all, when I made the change. I will not comment on the days issues, I don’t feel it will change the course of shit. I will, as soon as I get my computer running, chat with you guys at night. Typing with my f u. Finger on a damn tablet isn’t cutting it. Later gators.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@cj – – – I know you have always been an honest poster, CJ. That is why I mentioned that. You should have my contact info by now. Drop a line sometime.

Veterans Treatment Court in Honolulu is actually a two-year program that surprisingly works fairly well. I know a few graduates. Big Ed Kubo runs the show. He is a tough, caring fair-minded individual.

Ex va
Ex va

-.-. .—, glad to hear from you cj. I know the tablet is a pain to type on at times. I know too that you have been an honest poster. I know who has been the jokester now. Lol!!! I know he is trying to pull our leg at times and be funny. I am an honest poster too, and i fall for most jokes a lot!! Take care cj and hope to talk to you soon.

figure8fan
figure8fan

Now you know where all that money the VA is not spending on hiring new employees. They will now have to compensate every VA employee for not being able to bring their child to work. That will take care of some of that cash sitting around not being used for veterans.

figure8fan
figure8fan

Now you know where all that money the VA is not spending on hiring new employees.
Should say:
Now you know where all that money the VA is not spending on hiring new employees will go.

Ex va
Ex va

@figure8fan, typos are no big deal here, we have trouble reading sometimes anyways. Lol!!! I know what you meant the first time. ?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

“Veterans Affairs has 346 workers who do only union work”
by Sean Higgins | Apr 27, 2017

“http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/veterans-affairs-has-346-workers-who-do-only-union-work/article/2621385”

“At least 700 federal workers do nothing but work on official time, according to the GAO and data obtained from various Freedom of Information Act requests. The VA uses official time far more than any other agency.

“Employees spent approximately 1,057,00 hours on official time for union representation activities … In addition, the data show that 346 employees spent 100 percent of their time on official time,” the GAO found in a January report.

It is possible that even those figures are conservative. The GAO said the said the VA’s poor monitoring meant the data was “inconsistent and not reliable.”

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Oh and my personal view on rug rat day. Doesn’t Shulkin have a line of communications with Trump where he could have said something? Guess not!

Also, what fricken moron at the VA scheduled Rug Rat Day on a school day?

Really with this babysit your own child at work on Rug Rat Day not a lot of work going to get done. Don’t they already have enough excuses to get out of work?

Ex va
Ex va

@Seymore Klearly, i agree with your personal view on kiddie day too.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I wonder if they give the conic masturbators and pedophiles the day off on Rug Rat Day. Maybe even firewall the porn sites for Rug Rat Day.

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“Federal employees admit to watching porn at work”

“An investigation by Washington D.C.’s News Channel 4 found that hundreds of federal employees said they have watched pornography at work.”
By FederalSoup Staff
Feb 28, 2017

“https://federalsoup.com/articles/2017/02/28/federal-employees-admit-to-watching-porn-at-work.aspx”

namnibor
namnibor

Nah, the VA just places all the chronic masturbators into an all glass conference room for a group jerk session….that’s also how the VA brainstorms with their “other heads”. 🙂

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

That 346 VA employees who spent 100 percent of their time on official time doing only Union work means that as much as $76,120,000 of the VAs Budget may be spent to employ them. Note also that the 346 workers don’t include those who spend most, not all, of their time doing union work.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

346 FT Employees x 172 hrs. month x 12 months = 714,144 hrs. year

700 FT Employees x 172 hrs. month x 12 months = 1,444,800 hrs. year

1,046 FT Employees x 172 hrs. month x 12 months= 2,158,944 hrs. year

Which one is current and correct?

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, that just boggles the mind. Look at how much this is costing the taxpayer.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Not Known but the article does state that at least “Employees spent approximately 1,057,00 hours on official time for union representation activities”.

Of course that doesn’t include the additional expenses and bonuses they get paid.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – How are you doing tonight. I know. You’d have to add the hourly wage, cost for worker comp., insurance, don’t forget the bonuses, and all other employee related hourly cost. For easy sake, multiply each number by a mere low end hourly wage of $10.00 hr. I’d say total hourly wage cost per VA employee maybe between $40-75 an hour. This is NOT hourly wage for the VA employee. It is the total cost per man hour that the VA needs to pay for 1 employee working hour [all costs involved per man hour].

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – Your right then. It seems logical that there most likely were more than 346 employees that were mentioned. Numbers are all over the place. And they think that were dumb shits.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I would like to point out that many of these are the attorneys and legal department employees with SES employee positions. My best guess estimate of $76,120,000 of the VAs Budget may be spent to employ them is very conservative and the true number is likely much Higher.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – Right on and totally agree. VA most likely always quotes lower costs to defer the spotlight being on them. SK, especially now, the VA doesn’t need anymore attention being focused on them. And, I wouldn’t doubt that they are planning to fudge information as much as possible, unless upper management is going to start throwing their cohorts under the Trumpies Bus Transportation.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, doing ok, how are you? Good to see you. I think the numbers are higher than what has been reported. Since the va is not honest about numbers and are being highly criticized publicly.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Had to visit the head a few times. Urge to go, but only have to wait. I’ve have been taking massive doses of probiotics, and feeding the strains with prebiotics, soluble and insoluble fibers. VA should be prescribing, or at least discussing the use of probiotics when you’ve been on medications for a long period, or your showing signs of digestive problems. Also, been trying to cut way back on sugars, which is had to do with an American diet.

Hope you’ve been doing ok. Weather has warmed up some, so if you’re like me, I enjoy less dampness due to the high humidity. I guess cj is still having pc problems. These types of issue are time consuming, and can test your nerves.

The Office of Accountability mirrors other VA departments. More money being spent for the same thing. Like everyone says, follow the money. You’d think the VA would have their functions already in sync to what Veterans need to improve their lives. Shootz, all the VA needs to do is to only listen to what Veterans have and are saying to them. Simple as that.

Jo3n
Jo3n

I’ll bite, what are union representation activities? What ever it is, it’s worth a lot of money.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Jo3n – – – It is lobbying for the Union. Think of a “Union Representative” as a “Lobbyist”.

Jo3n
Jo3n

In one day, y’all have found thirty five million dollars not going where anyone will know, and seventy six million dollars more of taxpayers money going to that same graveyard. $111,000,000.00, lost money found. Is there a reward?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Jo3n – Well yes, there is a cut, but first there’s Seymore, Ex va, myself, then you. Oops, there’s no more. You know how that goes. LOL

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, there is suppose to be a 10% reward given to someone who finds fraud, waste and abuse. I think you could move back to the islands on that. ?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

The truly big question is will the new Office Of Accountability And Whistleblower Protection be as well funded and staffed as the AFGE and there fight against Accountability And Whistleblower Protection?

Probable not since it is the VA.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Given all the money funding both sides comes out of the VA Budget paid by us Veterans and Taxpayers.

Kind of a bizarro kind of thing.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Let Ben claim the reward. He’ll, it’s only the first week. Follow the money.

Ex va
Ex va

@Jo3n, ROFL!!!! Ben deserves it!!!! Poor guy don’t know how he does these articles and all the work he is involved in. He deserves a vacation.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Dose anyone know if the new “Office of Accountability and Whistleblower Protection” replace the “Office of Accountability”?

With the joint investigation by the VA Office of Medical Inspector and the “Office of Accountability” suspending Whistleblower, Dr. Barbara Temeck yesterday. Which is the day before the new legislation was signed I am a little confused.

Will the new “Office of Accountability and Whistleblower Protection”, funded out of the VA budget, also have to fight against both the “Office of Accountability”, funded out of the VA budget, and against the AFGE also funded out of the VA budget?

I just don’t understand.

Ex va
Ex va

@Seymore Klearly, you bring up some good points. I wonder the same things on who has the ultimate authority and who has prosecuting authority. Knowing the government, no one knows or could explain it adequately.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Seymore, I read somewhere that this new office was replacing the other office that was created in 2014.

I don’t recall the details, but I believe this new office was supposed to have greatly expanded authority. I thought the old office of accountability was only for a certain level of VA manager or upper manager, and this new office covers ALL VA employees.

namnibor
namnibor

@91Veteran- That naturally will mean at least $1 Million worth of brand new VA Art and another Million for new furniture, even though it’s just yet another deck chair being bolted down with larger chambers, more rats.

What I do not get is, why is the VA always allowed to police itself? Even a whistleblower office within the confines of the VA will surely corrupt, wait for it…..maybe they made the conference room windows opaque this time to spare the pigeons and crows and those AFGE Kiddies on rugrat days. 🙂

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

The VA has harmed us so much, that we can’t see it getting better. So usa to not having anyone defend us, we are still in a time warp.

We just have to wait and see.

namnibor
namnibor

@James Gallegos- “[…we are still in a time warp…]”

“Time Warp” (Rocky Horror Picture Show)


RIFF-it good.

(Riff Raff) It’s astounding
Time is fleeting
Madness takes it’s toll…

(Magenta) Ahh…

(Riff Raff) But listen closely…

(Magenta) Not for very much longer…

(Riff Raff) I’ve got to keep control.
I remember doing the Time Warp.
Drinking those moments when
The blackness would hit me.

(Riff Raff & Magenta) And the void would be calling.

(Guests) Let’s do the Time Warp again.
Let’s do the Time Warp again.

(Narrator) It’s just a jump to the left.

(Guests) And then a step to the right.

(Narrator) With your hand on your hips.

(Guests) You bring your knees in tight.
But it’s the pelvic thrust.
They really drive you insane.
Let’s do the Time Warp again.
Let’s do the Time Warp again.

(Magenta) It’s so dreamy
Oh, fantasy free me
So you can’t see me
No not at all.

In another dimension
With voyeuristic intention.
Well secluded I see all…

(Riff Raff) With a bit of a mind flip…

(Magenta) You’re into a time slip…

(Riff Raff) And nothing can ever be the same.

(Magenta) You’re spaced out on sensation.

(Riff Raff) Like you’re under sedation.

(Guests) Let’s do the Time Warp again.
Let’s do the Time Warp again.

(Columbia) Well, I was walking down the street
Just having a think
When a snake of a guy
Gave me an evil wink.
Well it sme up
It took me by surprise
He had a pick-up truck
And the devil’s eyes
He stared at me
And I felt a change
Time meant nothing
Never would again.

(Guests) Let’s do the Time Warp again.
Let’s do the Time Warp again.

(Narrator) It’s just a jump to the left.

(Guests) And then a step to the right.

(Narrator) With your hands on your hips.

(Guests) You bring you knees in tight.
But it’s the pelvic thrust…
That really drives you insane
Let’s do the Time Warp again.
Let’s do the Time Warp again]”

Tim
Tim

Way off here, Ben, our President is trying to make life better for Injured Veterans and he’s trying to do it as quickly as possible. He has a lot of shit on his plate. He can’t just say, “Oh shit! It’s bring your child to work day at the VA better cancel my schedule for the week to make another time I can sign this legislation!” Everybody expects super Trump but look how much he has already done? if the President was coming to my work place I’d happily not bring my child. Everyone will always find something to bitch about with Trump, I guess even you. Love your book, but give the President a break. It’s not his fault the VA over reacted.

Shannon
Shannon

? I agree! ?

Dawn
Dawn

I agree with you in concept, but that’s not the way it went in practice. It wasn’t like when Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama were president and visited the workplace. The event was a tightly manipulated for optics. All employees were required to vacate the building by 13:00. He visited at 16:30. Everyone who was in the building when he visited are the ones you see on screen (except Secret Service). I don’t have minor children, but I understand it is a constructive Day to introduce children to a multitude of career options to which they are not otherwise exposed, as well as to support the nuclear family. Given that the building was vacated by 13:00, cancelling the Day was unnecessary. Also, no prior president had a problem with children’s presence when they visited. So, it seemed strange, because it was so unlike other presidential visits. Also, families who had been looking forward to the Day and had made plans around it had to make other plans with one day’s notice.

namnibor
namnibor

Veterans also look forward to that “DAY” when we are not treated with malicious indifference by the VA.
Your VA kiddy day must have interrupted a grand plan of having the kiddies watch while Veterans are used to play Hungry, Hungry Hippos….bet that really made you VA employees incredibly butthurt.

Nevermind the fuckery the VA dishes out for Vets and LEAVES US WAITING….but oh, when a cuddly wuddly VA employee kiddy day is interrupted for the FIRST TIME and ONLY ONE FUCKING DAY….butthurt snowflake…Veteran or not, if you are working at the VA and kept mouth shut for long time about corruption oozing around you, you indeed are part the problem. You also come across with a strong sense of entitlement. YOU WORK FOR US….not the other way around and if the POTUS wants you all to pull your heads out of your asses then so be it.

Also, not that I dislike children, but the LAST THING ANY SICK VETERAN WANTS TO HEAR ADDED TO THE VA NOISE IS AFGE RATTY RAT’s RUGRATS.

Rant Sorta OUT.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Nam, I think we are completely missing the daily suffering these pencil pushing bureaucrats at VACO struggle through daily.

Bring your child to work day is another day that denial letter to that veteran can be ignored. Or that phone call can wait another day. Or that complaint can be ignored. Or that claims problem/VocRehab problem can be delayed.

I mean, veterans often wait days, months, years for the above to happen, so what’s one more day when an overworked bureaucrat can avoid that papercut, or avoid that cramp in their finger from dialing that phone number.

The stress of having to refill the copier with paper must be almost unbearable.

Seriously. Its like we expect someone to do their job efficiently in order to improve someone’s quality of life.

Perhaps with their daughter.

You vets with all sons or no kids at all are just shit out of luck. Perhaps around Memorial Day they might have time to get to you. Perhaps.

Either we are completely missing something, or everyone at the VACO are totally disconnected from what is happening outside their office.

I guess that DC VA director recently reassigned suggests they are.

Sara
Sara

Do you have all contact numbers? There is a VA Help Contacts List. It’s new so you may not have it. Is there a way I could get it to you? I have it on electrons, but I don’t see a way to post a pdf to this site.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Sara – – – You could send it to Ben. If Big Ben deems it relevant to assisting veterans, you can bet he will be sharing it with us.

Sara
Sara

Excuse me. I meant to post that to ex VA. I’m in the wrong thread, but I’ll send to Ben.

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