Department Of Energy To Analyze Valuable Veterans’ Health Records?

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Veterans' Health Records

Veterans Affairs just announced a partnership with Department of Energy (DOE) using artificial intelligence and big-data solutions to analyze veterans’ health records.

VA is rolling out the new partnership, called the VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative, to cull through mountains of data points using artificial intelligence and supercomputing resources only available at DOE and not VA.

The VA press release highlights VA’s “unparalleled health data trend information” only available through the agencies cataloging of 24 million veterans’ health records. The initiative also stands to make use of genomic data from the Million Veteran Program (MVP).

Are Veterans’ Health Records Databases Worth Big Bucks?

Ever wonder how valuable our health data is in the hands of private industry? Is VA charging a licensing fee for access to it? If not, why not?

For all my computer vets out there, what do you think of this move? What do you suppose can be done with all the data? And, is VA capable of keeping our private identifiable information private?

Here is the full VA press release:

VA partners with Department of Energy on big-data initiative to improve health care for Veterans

WASHINGTON — Today the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) and the Department of Energy (DOE) announced the formation of a new partnership focused on the secure analysis of large digital health and genomic data, or so-called “big data,” from the VA and other federal sources to help advance health care for Veterans and others in areas such as suicide prevention, cancer and heart disease, while also driving DOE’s next-generation supercomputing designs.

Known as the VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative, the partnership will be based within DOE’s National Laboratory system, one of the world’s top resources for supercomputing. The effort will leverage the latest DOE expertise and technologies in big data, artificial intelligence and high-performance computing to identify trends that will support the development of new treatments and preventive strategies.

“VA has developed unparalleled health data trend information from some 24 million Veterans who have used VA for health care over the past two decades,” said VA Secretary Dr. David J. Shulkin. “We are partnering with DOE to use their high-performance computing capabilities to allow thousands of researchers access to this unprecedented data resource over time in a secure environment. The transformative science that will be developed through this partnership will improve health care for Veterans and all Americans.”  

DOE high-performance computing represents the state of the art in global computer science, involving machines capable of millions of billions of calculations per second.

VA takes privacy seriously and has ensured all reasonable safeguards are in place to protect the records at the DOE National Laboratory.

“Driving innovation through our national laboratories in ways that can improve Veterans’ health care is a remarkable opportunity,” said DOE Secretary Rick Perry. “I look forward to working together to shape this VA-DOE partnership.”

One part of the new initiative is MVP-CHAMPION— short for the Million Veteran Program (MVP) Computational Health Analytics for Medical Precision to Improve Outcomes Now. MVP, VA’s landmark genomics program, has already enrolled more than 560,000 Veteran volunteers, who have provided DNA samples; completed surveys about their health, lifestyle and military experiences; and granted secure access to their electronic health records for research purposes. The partnership with DoE will maximize the impact of studies using MVP data.

Along with data from MVP and VA’s electronic health records system, the new VA-DOE program will use health data from the Department of Defense, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the Center for Disease Control’s National Death Index. 

An initial suite of specific studies that are part of VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative is already being planned. One aims to build algorithms to generate highly tailored personalized risk scores for suicide. The scores could be used by VA clinicians and researchers to help predict which patients are at the highest risk, and to evaluate prevention strategies. The researchers will work with VA’s Office of Suicide Prevention to enhance current algorithms already in use in VA.

Another project focused on prostate cancer will seek new ways to tell which tumors are lethal versus nonlethal cancer and require treatment, and, by contrast, others that are slow growing and unlikely to cause any symptoms. Yet another study will explore what sets of risk factors are the best predictors of certain forms of cardiovascular disease to inform individualized therapy and treatments for patients based on their individual risk factors.

For more information on MVP, informatics and VA research in general, visit www.research.va.gov.

Source: https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2896

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Windguy
Windguy

It’s bullshit. I have a wee bit of history with the Dept of Energy – well, off an on exposure to R&D programs over the last 35 years, including serving as “An Independent Review PEER” to DoE’s wind R&D program. Observations.

1). In the 90s, I succeeded in getting DOE and FAA to collaborate on aviation impacts, marking and lighting, and safety issues related to ever-larger wind turbines. It was a cluster fuck. The regulations against inter-departmental funds transfer are insane. So, guess who’s paying? Yup – the DoE is going to suck off the VA teet. I promise. Nothing happens at DoE without a bus load of beltway mortarforkers funneling money away from, and in-to …some one else’s pockets.

2). Funny how the article did not mention which DoE lab would be involved? To my slightly dated knowledge, the genome sciences require pretty specific coding, and who gives a rats ass how big the fucking computer is. That’s a BS sell too. DOE is big on computational fluid dynamics, but the DoD DARPA boys would smoke whatever DoE has. Lawrence Livermore Labs (LLL), or Lawrence Berkeley (LBL) have some horsepower, but, again, where’s the genome pedigree?

3). There’s a half dozen universities out there that could seamlessly dive into this project (thinking Stanford). So, why VA and DoE? C’mon boys and girls – think – this is an easy one if you have faith that a royal fucking will ensue…. C’mon… There ya go – keep the data inside big government so the shit they learn will forever stay silent. A university group of PhDs and grad students would leak OUR fucking realities to the public. Can’t have that, right? So, LBL and LLL, known keepers of all secrets nuclear has the infrastructure to run the data and keep it forever hidden.

4). Did I mention money? DoE gets about $26 billion a year. About $22 B goes to nuclear. We haven’t built a new nuke (new technology) in decades. Nuclear ENERGY was an accidental by-product of a weapons program. Those mo-fos are so fully entrenched in government coffers that they continue to suck funds from the taxpayers and funnel it over to the D-O fucking D. Wait until Trump finds out DoE is funding CHINA’s Thorium nuke Molten Salt Reactor program. Ya – the nuke energy that will indeed be cheap and safe, and, it can burn up a shit load of the existing stockpile of nasty waste. Can’t have that – let the Chinee do it. WTF?

5). Follow the money. It’s a program with awesome optics that needn’t succeed. I can see a half dozen beltway denizens who conceived the program, sold it, and are lined up to (my favorite) Moderate the Stakeholders. Fuck me to tears.

Then again – maybe I’m just a cynical old fucking pessimist….. and it’s possible the goats at the VA will piss rainbows and shit little nuggets of gold.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Good points Windguy. I think the VA is intent on selling their little nugget of gold.

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This is exactly what it is about. Point #3.

Cantigny
Cantigny

>>For all my computer vets out there, what do you think of this move?

don’t like it. would only like it if veterans had real legal rights to protect them, which we don’t when it comes to VA/VBA.

>>What do you suppose can be done with all the data?

since the veteran community has few legal protections dealing with VA/VBA, i submit a “nefarious factor” will be done under the hood regarding all that data.

btw, most veterans who make use of VA/VBA have all had the experience of medical data/results manipulated to benefit VA/VBA. anyone ever try to have that expunged from your records? its like VA/VBA keeps two sets of digital books.

so no, i don’t want the DOE to have my data. the veteran will be on the losing end, and some company or fed agency will make money off this with out our consent.

>>And, is VA capable of keeping our private identifiable information private?

no. though we veterans hear that when our civilian doctor has requested med info from VA often times they don’t get it due to hippa or some other privacy law. i often think that is just a see-thru band-aid because insurance companies seem to get some things that i find odd, thus there are work arounds entities can use to get our private data. those contracts veterans sign with VA for certain things, i doubt a good lawyer would allow their client to sign such things they way they read, but VA/VBA sees to it that veteran gets squat if they don’t sign it. and probably in the details is the sharing of data.

Cantigny
Cantigny

@Ben, how is your database(s) project coming along?

Jo3n
Jo3n

I really don’t know why, but, I can’t reach here using Ben’s last post. Says it’s not available. Obviously, paranoia is affecting this site, somehow. I’m a bit paranoid anyway. Do we post what we learn and how we think? Or, ? @Seymour, I added up all them numbers…. kept me busy for a while. Not really. God Bless the Veterans and their families.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I have been having those issues also

Jo3n
Jo3n

@Seymour, I was reached by patient advocate an hour ago. I am positive that we were being recorded and the advocate new it as well. I’m not going to say anything till I feel better about saying anything. I check in quite often. Somehow, let us non computer Veterans have an idea as to how honest we can be. I did get new post, and it allowed me to get here. God Bless

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Jo3n,

One thing that I have learned through personal experience is always be honest and you ever feel uncomfortable saying something do not say it. As far as suffering from paranoia, is it paranoia when you know for certain that some is watching?

Here is part of a article on the Asiacruisenews.com blog. You may recognize a few of the names including yours.

“VA Spent Billions Without Denting Doctor Hiring Problem”, Asiacruisenews.com, April 12, 2017

Quoted verbatim

“@Namnibor, @Ex va, @Crazy elf, @cj, @Dennis, @Seymore Klearly, @91Veteran, @Peterson, @Jo3n – Hey folks. The media are dumb fucks. They know what is going on with the VA. The only thing that I know they missed, in the whole time providing news, is the prediction of the come kid, President Trump. There forecasting of a winner went straight out the window and the window was open waiting for it. Dump fucks controlled by the left and fucking helmets [dick heads- and I coined this term on this blog] suck ass with the Governor, Senator, Congressman, Mayors, and every other fucking social engineering liberal dirtbag in each state.”

Their is a full article but I don’t know the safety of the site at this time and would recommend using the cashed version at the following link. At this time I do not recommend clicking on any of the links on the page. *** Remember do not click on any links even on the cashed versions. ***

“http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tbPB-Ljll2kJ:asiacruisenews.com/news/VA-Spent-Billions-Without-Denting-Doctor-Hiring-Problem+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us”

It is also published on a website called (insurancenews dot com) a link to the cashed version is at

“http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:t6bqC45PghsJ:insurancenews.website/news/VA-Spent-Billions-Without-Denting-Doctor-Hiring-Problem+&cd=171&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us”

It is also published on a website called (specialupdate dot online) a link to the cashed version is at

“http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZfZIFuedVA8J:specialupdate.online/news/VA-Spent-Billions-Without-Denting-Doctor-Hiring-Problem/+&cd=237&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us”

There are more but I am sure you understand now that it is not paranoia and people are actively working to infect our computers due to our comments made on this site.

I think they really hate me because they have tied my name to some sites that surly have tripped some bells and whistles at the NSA.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Not fully sure of what they hope to accomplish but I am researching more on the problem.

Most likely it is the compliments of Flow Health and their Russian counter parts. Not the Russian Government but the Russian owners of Flow Health.

Also, it is my belief that any conversation you have at the VA is recorded. Even in the Exam rooms. Also you can be certain that all phone calls are recorded.

Ex va
Ex va

@Seymore Klearly, if we are targets and they wish to destroy our computers, how can any of this be lawful? We have freedom of speech despite what are opinions, politics and views on articles, life or whatever. I would like to know specifically who is behind this interference and i find this to be an insult to Disabled Veterans and Veterans. Do you think this is a form of retaliation for exposure of wrongdoings and criminal activity that is exposed in articles and from bloggers?

About phone calls to a va medical center, i believe they know the number of calls made, how many unanswered calls made and that some calls are monitored. I believe it is a collaboration of staff concerning Veterans conversations and threats and disruptive behavior.

I believe if you want to know how the vamc conduct there disruptive behavioral committee meetings you can ask for a medical center memorandum copy at the directors office. I believe this will tell you the members of the disruptive committee and how often they meet. I believe minutes are taken at every committee meeting. I believe this is all taxpayer funded and all these copies are free.

FLB
FLB

All veterans should read the story of Brian Callahan, Combat Vet/ TBI in the Boston Herald today, May 2.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Just want to add the Boston Herald is doing a series on Veterans issues with VA Health Care. Ben’s article yesterday was about one of the articles in the series. Ben’s article is the one titled Boston VA still Failing Veterans.

Joe Joe Guns Golf 2/1
Joe Joe Guns Golf 2/1

From: Joe Joe GUNNER
That is total B.S.
What if a VET is working for DOE right now and has PTSD and is seeing the VA Psychologist. Doe would then use that against the VEt and he would lose his job.
As of now it is not required to put that information down on a QNSP report that is used to grant Security Clearances at DOE.it is even stated in the QNSP Instructions on Section #21. direct quote from QNSP, “In the past seven (7) years….Answer “NO” if the counseling was for any of the following reasons and not court-ordered. ….strictly related to adjustments from service in a military combat environment.”
I happen to know several Vets that work for one of DOE’s Plants and with the record sharing the VA would give up sensitive information that DOE does not have on these VETs.
Fellow VETS we need to stop speculating and debating this Issue and TAKE ACTION NOW! My bet is on DOE too start going thru all the DATA and target all VETS that said NO on the QNSP forms!
This needs to be nipped in the bud now!
Joe Joe Gunner

Dennis
Dennis

The transferred out Shreveport VAMC Medical Director was fired today.

Fred P.
Fred P.

Simple reply For Mr. Krause, Office of Personnel Management (OPM) Security Clearance Data Base Theft of 23 Million Americans most private and personal information listed on the Standard Form-86. When the government lost the entire National Security Clearance data base it compromised every American with a Security Clearance, former Security Clearance Holders and all of their Family members information. The SF-86 National Security Clearance application is 176 pages with a persons entire family history. No data base is ever going to be totally secure, history has proven it time and time again. All of the nations veteran health information has probably already been compromised, however we will not ever know for sure until the information is used in a Illegal way, it is a simple fact of life and WikiLeaks is a perfect example. This is from somebody who used to be in the security business in the military for 12 years.

Rick Lipary
Rick Lipary

Even if we DID sign something like that, “JackO, (which we did’nt) we would have never known or understood the meaning or significance with no education, and no way of knowing at such a young age, what the repercussions and ramifications would be!! Every instance should require the express approval of any and all veterans who would or could be affected by the shared information, each veteran should have full and complete veto power with proof that his or her wishes were honored, and should be well compensated for his or her participation! We are not supposed to be a republic of communism! You want me to do YOUR work, fine! But expect to hand YOUR salary over to ME!

Jo3n
Jo3n

It’s one thing to be hacked, it’s something else if we just give them the information. As I see it, once some corporation gets the information, it’s theirs to do with what they want. Again, how is this Veteran Friendly? And I agree, how come DOE has all that empty space? @Dennis, you are correct; when and where did VA get permission to join? I’m starting to think draining the swamp is getting rid of corporations obstacles.

Rob D
Rob D

I had to do a lot of blood tests during that MVP drive and I always said no thanks. I had to give blood once a week for what they were monitoring, and every time it was “Would you like to participate in the MVP?” as if the employees were told to hound the vets into in to doing it, just like the canned “thank you for your service” you hear like a recording. Anyhow I got pissed and said “” OK!!! Take the fu***** blood!!! Now for the love of god quit asking me!!!!” My reasoning back then was they’ll use it for something else, non VA. Since then it’s been FBI, DOE and who knows who else since then. I always wondered why they were so adamant about it till a vet got ticked off, but I guess I know now. I thought there were going to be updates about that, but once they got your blood, that was the last I heard about it till these VA has a great idea- programs like this start coming out….

91Veteran
91Veteran

I can’t see how a simple blood test, even with DNA or genetic information is much useful to them without having full access to your medical history.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Bayer created heroin to get people off morphine(?). Being the United States disallowed the sale of heroin, doesn’t mean Bayer quit the heroin business. Now, people who were cut off pain meds are turning to heroin. The heroin is being cut with ketamine. Very expensive cutter. Who can cut heroin with the expensive ketamine? Who would? I remember our government sprayed us, sprayed pot plants coming to us. Too many people dying for what? God Bless the Veterans and their families.

91Veteran
91Veteran

My first thought is, why DOE? Why this subject? I don’t recall reading many medical research journals suggesting the DOE has been any kind of leader in medical research.

Is this the VA trying to do an end-run around Meshkin after they nixed his billion dollar data mining plan?

My second thought is, who benefits from this? It sure as hell won’t be veterans.

Do I think the DOE can keep our data safe? Well, likely more safe than Meshkin and his Russian connected buddies could, but then, we’ve all seen how safe government agencies can keep data safe. How many times has the VA leaked or lost veterans data? How many millions were affected by OPM’s data leak?

I can’t really see the VA doing a massive transfer of a single database. I would have to think this would be some kind of ongoing, permanent connection to VA records.

I could see DOE being interested in cancer research since they are so involved in nuclear energy. Are they interested simply because they want to see what health effects result from vets who have been exposed to radioactive material over the years? Has the DOE lost so much of their mission that they have to justify their supercomputers somehow? Or is this a way of justifying the expense of upgrading their systems?

If you read Shulkins comments, do you get the sense he is trying to address some of the criticisms vets had with their deal with Meshkin such as access to data in a secure environment? Since the VA has this “unparalleled health data trend”, can Shulkin point to how knowing those trends has improved the health care of vets? As I asked when they were planning on giving exclusive access of this data to Meshkin, are they planning on charging a subscription fee to access this data? I can see them doing that to justify running this scheme, but will that fee be so high that they only get government funded researchers that can access the data?

What health trends is the VA aware of in Agent Orange veterans that Tom Murphy denies exists?

I find it interesting they state again that the VA takes privacy seriously, which means they are well aware of veterans criticizing their Meshkin deal, and also means they completely ignored any privacy problems when they were going to go with Meshkin.

How can they go so quickly from offering Meshkin a deal just a few months ago, to suddenly having a deal with the DOE? Are there some very interested parties pushing this idea that offered the DOE as a way to address the privacy concerns? Certainly somebody really wants this data.

If the VA only has 560,000 volunteers to their MVP program, why are they always touting having health data on 24 million veterans? It sounds to me as if they plan on using the data on 24 million veterans regardless of whether we volunteer access to our data or not.

Who else just can’t wait to receive their very own personalized risk score on suicide? Gee, can I put that on a plaque? WTF? Can I put that on a vanity license plate? That statement seems like it’s designed more to just look like the VA is doing something about the suicide rate, while doing nothing about it at all.

Am I missing something on their prostate cancer paragraph? How would they know what is lethal versus nonlethal unless they observed how it progressed without treatment?

Ex va
Ex va

@91Veteran, i agree with your statements and questions. This to me make no sense the va and the doe???? What unparalleled and research achievements have been made thus far with this data collected? Will anyone ever know? I think this is all misleading and i have no doubt that the genomic data is valuable, i do not believe it will benefit Veterans in any capacity because the va does not want to deliver above standard care to Veterans. Veterans unfortunately are just a tool as per normal va operations.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Most of us are missing something. I’m going nuts over the Giant Redwoods area being opened for mining. No hiring fed judges, didn’t think much about it, till what was safe in our country is now available for a dollar. As a Veteran, well, if truth be told, I just not sure yet. I am worried for all Veterans right now. SHIT is happening whether it’s for Veterans, or for them….so far, them 3, Veterans [email protected], you carry a heavy burden.., well.

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@Ex va: Are you around?

91Veteran
91Veteran

Off topic, but it looks like the American Legion is trying to get in on a publicity stunt with the DC VA problems.

If they were serious about helping fix the VA, they would not have been running their Save Our System program for over 10 years.

“”https://www.stripes.com/news/veterans-to-disclose-experiences-at-va-hospital-in-dc-following-scandal-1.465936#.WQlYn_krLIV””

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@Ex va: I hope your trip was without incident, and that your appointment went well. I imagine your exhausted from a very busy day. Not feeling well myself, I will be turning in for the night, early. Will talk soon, and God Bless you and your family.

Ex va
Ex va

-.-. .—, Goodnight, and God Bless you and yours.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

About 338,000 Tricare patients who have a Nexium prescription are being asked to switch to an alternative drug for their stomach and esophagus problems.

As of June 28, Nexium will no longer be included on the Tricare preferred, or formulary, drug list, and it won’t be available in military hospitals and clinics.

Defense health officials estimate that the change will save about $1.6 million a day in health care spending, said Kevin Dwyer, spokesman for the Defense Health Agency. That adds up to about $584 million a year……, HOW ABOUT JUST USING BAKING SODA DOES THE SAME THING..DUMB OLD MARINE

hannah reitsch
hannah reitsch

and, why do so many people & animals have stomach problems to start with?

maybe the food is contaminated? are euthanized pets in the food chain? yes.

“jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/euthanasia-drug-found-in-dog-food/#comments”

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

YOUR RIGHT….. I READ THAT ARTICLE THIS MORNING “jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/euthanasia-drug-found-in-dog-food/#comments”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

For anyone who notice my earlier post regarding a campaign against this site and a number of us commenters. Where our names are being used as keywords to lead to probable infected sites.

The articles start with the header of

“@Namnibor, @Ex va, @Crazy elf, @cj, @Dennis, @Seymore Klearly, @91Veteran, @Peterson, @Jo3n”

It is a smear campaign to attack the Search Engine Listings of this site. The campaign is coming directly out of the Veterans Administration. I will be forwarding a email latter today that I am going to ask Ben to pass on which will provide more information to those who have been targeted by the VA in this smear campaign.

For anyone interested you can Google the title “VA Spent Billions Without Denting Doctor Hiring Problem”.
Be sure to include the quotes. While the majority of the listing may be legitimate you can scroll through the Google search results and see there are a large number of sites that are bogus and still listed in the results. I highly recommend you do not click on the search listings at this time.

Dennis
Dennis

lolz! I went public with my own personal historical garbage of a past in order to expose the VA for the liars they are and the treachery that they engaged in. Two full Sunday editions, Section F of bullshit which netted the VA multiple “technical” advisories from HHS regarding the Privacy Act of 1974 and landed specific names and dates in the headlines was the prize.

Hehe, I did that because they ALREADY smeared my name across multiple agency records, across multiple federal agencies. They even went of their way to inform my local hospital during emegency surgery AT my local hospital to stop internal bleeding and save my lung, my leg, and my life), that I was a Catagory One Violent and Disruptive Patient… to their credit, both of the surgeons at that saved my life each confided individually to me their advice that I go to the police with what they saw in my record (and I did).

So, thank you for the advice and trust me I believe you whole heartedly and for the evidence just mentioned, that VA is engaged in a smear campaign against me. It is in the record.

Semper Fi

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Thanks Seymore,
So, VA is trying to “smear” us over “comments” we’ve made here on “disableveterans”!
I guess they “can’t handle the truth” when we post comments containing articles from other respected news sources. Or, we give “opinions” over what’s really going on at VA’s nationwide!
I guess the VA is unaware of our “1st Amendment Rights” over FREE SPEECH!
Of course, VA will try anything they can to shutdown all FREE SPEECH, in an attempt to silence TRUTH!
We, on here, know there is a heavy push by the RADICAL LEFT to silence anyone who has opposing views. This can be seen at many (liberal run) Universities! The VA is embedded within these universities for using veterans as guinea pigs, ex: “BREAKING: Hospital Evacuated! Hazmat Situation!”
Dated 1 May 2017
Concerning a VA hospital was evacuated last night at around 5 pm in Philadelphia due to a suspicious odor!

Why would we not expect anything like this from VA?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

P.S.
Seymore, are there any other “vetcentric sites” VA is attacking over this issue of FREE SPEECH?

namnibor
namnibor

Ethical Hacking, the VA way. “Ethical Hacking” is a very real thing and quite often happens right under/amongst regular posters and a name might be hijacked to post or not…

I used to know an Indy Vet that the Indy VA actually sent him to an Ethical Hacking course for credits…then employed him part time in the basement as piss-bucket boy for whomever was too engorged to leave their desk for a hanky. I no longer trusted him and had a falling-out over what I saw as a huge red flag and hypocrisy so have fallen out for over a year. I very well could have taken it too extreme but if it was enough to raise the hair on my back, best leave well alone.

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This also now explains, the odd looks I have been receiving, from those behind the counter at the VA. Even had one nudge the other, to look at the computer screen, when they brought up my name. All started when I posted comments here, about an​ appointment I just got back from.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Thanks Seymore. I will dig into this a little later.

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@Seymore Klearly: I will look at this fuckery as a badge of honor. I will check it out, when I can copy and paste on a real computer. Haven’t figured it out yet, on this tablet. My damn middle finger locks in the closed position. Only thing I can think of, it must be from using this tablet. Older we get, the stranger the crap that happens to our bodies. <—————– Does that last sentence even make sense?

Ex va
Ex va

@Seymore Klearly, this makes me angry trying to smear us and the search engine of Ben’s site. The va is abusing their authority again.

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What this also tells me is, if the VA is using our handle, to point to infected sites, then it is obvious, they already have captured our IP’s. Could it be this shit is just a ploy, to get us to click on our own comments, out of curiosity? Therefore infecting our computers, with their spyware? Heed Seymore’s warning, DO NOT CLICK ANY OF THOSE LINKS!!!!!!! Grrrrrrr I wish I had access to my ASCII art. Later gators!!!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

then it is obvious, they already have captured our IP’s…I THINK YOUR 100% right

Lem
Lem

What this tells me is that the Russian Bots of fake news you guys keep posting has moved to a different level. Now they are trying to take down your computers. Either that or it is an NSA counter attack.

I doubt the VA gives a shit about your fake news posts. And most of us have the good sense to know what is happening.

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@Lem: They may not give a shit about fake news, but I can tell you, they sure as hell give a shit, about what is being said about them here. We are taking about union hacks after all. I am sure that they don’t like “anything”, that jeopardizes their spot at the money teet. If you don’t think the AFGE/SES/SEIU, doesn’t have the connections, to pull this off, to cover their asses, then by all means, click away at the links. Fake news flash Lem, bitch Hillary lost all on her own. Both the aggregate vote, and the popular vote, the “Russians” had nothing to do with it. And you try to make it look like I’m the crazy fuck? Trump won over a fucking criminal, so the “Russians” must have done it. And 8 years of the biggest failure, to ever occupy the white house, is all Bush’s fault…righhhhht?
Who’s the one that watches fake news?

Lem
Lem

Yeh, who. You. You post the links. And now they are biting those who access them. Tough isn’t it.

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@Lem: Point to a link I posted to any news source, or shut the fuck up. Yeah that’s right, you can’t.

Lem
Lem

So you were botted? Someone else posting under CJ? A lot of that went on during and shortly after the campaign.

Wonder if someone used my name to post links to Utube and other sites? Easy to do on this site. We don’t have “accounts”.

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@Lem: There you go, now your back on track. Welcome back.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Project Owl is Google’s internal name for its endeavor to fight back on problematic searches. The owl name was picked for no specific reason, Google said. However, the idea of an owl as a symbol for wisdom is appropriate. Google’s effort seeks to bring some wisdom back into areas where it is sorely needed.

Right, wisdom. From a vendor of content wrapped in pay to play advertising and “black box” algorithms which mysteriously have magical powers on sites like Foundem

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s two articles from “military.com/Daily News”

1.)
Titled;
“VA Sites Fixes at DC Hospital Ahead of Veterans Town Hall”

dated: 2 May 2017
from:
“Military.com” | by Richard Sisk

2.)
Titled;
“VA Fires Embattled Louisiana Director Amid Scandal”

dated; 2 May 2017
from:
“Fox News | by Tom Richards

In my opinion, although each VHA was complicit in screwing veterans over poor quality healthcare. Each director, although guilty of these criminal acts against veterans, should be arrested for “Misappropriation of Government Funds!”
The director of the Louisiana VHA was definitely more concerned with “…purchasing furniture and flat screen TVs for the conference room…” than he was in giving proper and quality healthcare to veterans!
This, in itself, is not only egregious in nature, it is – I believe – “criminal in nature!”

namnibor
namnibor

@Crazy elf- I wonder how the D.C. VA was able to acquire all those *missing* expensive medical machines, vast amounts of sterile surgical supplies, and tools, et al so quickly, and *fix* 100+ VAOIG infractions? A stroke of a hand, am sure was all that involved, or a group circle jerk with same motion. *FIXED*

R-r-r-ight! That D.C. VAMC and VHA and VSO’s are nothing but a horse and pony show for Save Our System, VSO’s Inc. Come on in, it’s all safe now. We’re watching and recording, but we care at the VA.

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@Crazy elf:@#2. My fucked up mind first read that as (Director A’mid Scan’del) I thought (what kind of screwed up Indian/French name is that?) My bad.

Ex va
Ex va

-.-. .—, ROFL!! Maybe his name tells on himself!! LOL!!! That is great!!! That is so funny!! I have a juvenile mind at times, doesn’t take much.

Sandy Hale, disabled combat veteran, retired nurse
Sandy Hale, disabled combat veteran, retired nurse

If you signed up for the Million Veterans Program – guess what? You just released your medical records for research. And, that’s no bullshit. Also, if you actually read anything you signed at the VA you will see that you gave them all kinds of permission that you don’t even realize yet. READ IT NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU SIGN.

The only bullshit is all the naïve veterans that actually trust the VA, VA doctors and VA nurses and VA employees. Apparently, there are millions of you. Thanks a lot. Keep on trusting them right into the grave. If we all stood up against them, they wouldn’t be able to do this crap, but no …. millions of you trust them and sign anything put in front of you. They need to change that million veterans program to a million idiots.

Ex va
Ex va

@Sandy Hale, i understand your frustration with the va and trust issues with that agency. i do not trust the va in any capacity. i learned this from experience unfortunately and i warn others when they give me the opportunity.

I do not blame the Veterans for trusting the va because they may not have the knowledge or experience with va’s corruption. I knew some Veterans who were illiterate and had no computer knowledge. These were older Veterans, how can you blame them, they grew in a different time period were there government was different.

I know some disabled Veterans who have trouble reading and would of signed anything because of their disabilities. I feel the va takes advantage of these individuals. We have to get the word out of the va’s misconduct and corruption so the Veteran is more informed on decisions they make when dealing with this agency.

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