BREAKING: Secretary Of Veterans Affairs May Close Over 1,100 VA Facilities

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VA Facility Closure

The Secretary of Veteran Affairs David Shulkin, MD, is seeking to close possibly more than 1,100 VA facilities nationwide in push to privatize VA medical care.

During a Congressional hearing today, Shulkin said he sought to close 430 vacant and 735 underutilized buildings to save the taxpayers $25 million per year. He told Congress VA may use the same process as the Pentagon for base closures, called Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC).

“Whether BRAC is a model that we should take a look, we’re beginning that discussion with members of Congress,” Shulkin told a House appropriations subcommittee. “We want to stop supporting our use of maintenance of buildings we don’t need, and we want to reinvest that in buildings we know have capital needs.”

The move comes on the heels of a recent announcement that President Donald Trump decided to dramatically reduce the fat from the federal government’s budget including removal of duplicative or useless service areas. While VA did receive a budget increase, the agency has decided to restrict hiring including not filling roughly 4,000 vacant positions.

While Congress welcomed the announcement, at least on Republican gave some advice to Shulkin about using the term BRAC to describe what VA is planning.

“Don’t ever use the term BRAC because it brings up a lot of bad memories,” Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb) cautioned. “You automatically set yourself up for a lot of controversy.”

Base reduction through the BRAC model received a lot of negative press over the years. Communities that had grown dependent on military spending in their area vis a vis operations on a military base and spending from local military members is a known local stimulus, and closure of a base sometimes resulted in shutting down of entire towns as a result.

Some readers may recall another recent announcement that Shulkin did not intend to privatize VA healthcare while out of the other side of his mouth announcing that he planned to stop the agency from providing eye and hearing care.

Last week, Shulkin allegedly told a room full of VA healthcare facility directors that he planned to stop providing optometry or audiology services since there is a “LensCrafters on every corner.”

The move is aimed at reducing expenditures at local facilities to then allow those same facilities to use the extra funds to fix problems at the same facility. I will write more of this behind the scenes discussion later.

Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/shulkin-says-hes-considering-closing-1100-veterans-affairs-facilities/

Rick Lipary

It depends on what you believe. Many people believe thzt something HUGE is going to happen in not too long, and they are downsizing everything they can for the triple purpose of keeping patriots from using the facilities when national warfare breaks out, to save money, (although the mentioned 25 million dollars is a typo or huge underestimate) and to pave the way to cut ALLveterans benefits if their side wins!

GHKennard
GHKennard

It is a real HUGE typo because at least ten workers being paid per year amounts to $25 million dollars, they make a lot of money doing what? Tell me exactly what one worker does to help a veteran besides a doctor or nurse?

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Jo3n

Another Dr. Shulkin talking about buildings. We need Doctors and trained nurses. We need to get rid of backlogs. Veterans need an avenue to expose useless VA employees, and to hold them accountable. Any money the VA can save, we’ll never know where it went. We will know where it didn’t go. It’s not going to what we need so desperately. Tired of the lies and hidden agendas.

Belle Payne
Belle Payne

The VA may claim to be saving by not filling vacant positions, but they failed to mention that they’ve all of those positions by way of internal promotions. Millions of dollars in raises and training is being spent covertly. Not to mention, this may indirectly create a larger backlog due to the fact that all of those promotions have created more vacancies that won’t be filled. The Regional Office employees in Compensation & Pension will be swamped more than ever.

Warhorse
Warhorse

Hey VA, want to save money??? Throw AFGE and all of their worthless fucking minions out of taxpayer funded facilities. Also while you’re at it shitcan the so called Veterans advocates, the VSO’s.

daniel

I’m being bullied by a VA advocate it’s been going on for years American Lake VA Washington State

james gallegos
this is a major problem with VA employees, get the names of all involved and write a letter to the secretary on how your being treated. The patient rep’s were hired to help veterans when they have problems with the staff. Explain that you can not find resolution to you problem and how the Rep is treating you, have you been threatened. Have you been reported to the disruptive committee. If not that will probably be the next step. I… Read more »
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JIM BURCHELL
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James Gallegos
VA airways needs more and more and more. Whole veteran’s get less and less and less. The VA needs to get rid of many employees due to their lack of accountability. They sit and pick their noses, tell the veterans tell someone who cares, next ! We don’t need more nose pickers, we need people who really care. I know I’m being a smart ass, but how did we get to where we are at now ?, VA employees !… Read more »
Doc Sanchez
Doc Sanchez

I’m a 19 year VA Employee and I know you ain’t talkin’ about me, Sir…me and my coworkers bust our ars’s every day to give the best care to my fellow Veterans…sorry your experience was negative, and those few Employees who disrespect Vets should be fired, but the whole VA is not made up of the few bad apples…

LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
FEW?? Get rid of the crack pipe… Between bonuses, manipulated programs such as Voc Rehab, and disrespectful and intellectually flawed employees as in the many, VA needs to go. SOLUTION: Get rid of and eternally destroy the VA as it is known today. This disables the union because a newly named federal veteran agency would have a new mission statement therefore reestablishing a new workforce after firing the tens of thousands. Next: hire veterans, in particular veterans with a compatible… Read more »
james gallegos
If you would read my posts I and others state that there are some good employees and there are a lot of Bad employees. If VA employee’s would do some research on their own, they could fine the Bad Apples. Can everyone be wrong in calling the VA the second worst place to work. Retaliation against each other for bring out wrong doings, Falsely accusing veterans of disruptive behavior, Playing hungry hippo games. Employees keeping secret wait list. VBA denying… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
How many times have we heard this before! Every time the VA threatens to shut down VHA’s, they open another one! Although I agree some VERY SMALL VHA’s should be shutdown, the odds are in VA’s favor of keeping them open. On the other hand, a VERY SMALL VHA which employs say 10 to 20 people, will not have any impact on the surrounding businesses! Unlike a military base which employed hundreds of civilians and had a few thousand service… Read more »
james gallegos
Agree rural areas have maybe 10 employees. One nurse and one PA, Nurse practitioner and in my area. Just a nurse right now and all the rest are administrative. All of these administrative position can be done from the main facility. Go into the clinic and get frustrated and say anything about it, You become a threat. to their Job. Veterans in Rural areas should be able to use Choice and close the clinics down. Rural Areas are breeding grounds… Read more »
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ

I wish I could claim your post…

Got your 6 on this one…..

Iluvmyfurbabies
Iluvmyfurbabies

I personally think that LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ has the most logical solution on this post.
#ihaveur6also!

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Damn spell checker………afoot.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Thanks for the warning!

91Veteran
91Veteran
Another thing to be aware of is if you have a gmail account. Google was hit with a massive phishing campaign today. Emails received by Gmail users looked like they came from legitimate senders asking the recipient to click on a link for a Google Doc. That link went to a script that changed permissions on the users gmail account giving full permissions to the hacker. At one point, it took out at least two of Googles servers affecting many… Read more »
james gallegos
Something is going on, Secretary Shulkin has an employee by the name of Stephanie, has been there awhile and she handled my case I sent to McDonalds office about a VA Manager who retaliated against me. This employee contacted me Via E-mail and told me twice that the employee in question NO longer worked for the VA. When I advised her that she was given the incorrect information about the employee not working for the VA or she was lying… Read more »
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ

I say we gather up some teams, but first get some of our mil analysts to gather names and pert. info…..

MOVE OUT!!!!

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

All saving will of course go to the regional directors that locate all these unused but still maintained BUILDINGS that the VA has as BONUSES net value to Taxpayers ZERO, Net Value to VETERAMS NEGITIVE

Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Good! Roll it all into either Social Security or Medicare, and give us ID cards. Take their budget and give it to either of those groups. If they want to establish levels of care for services provided by services or disabilities, fine. Let us get care at the providers of our choice! My personal experiences prove to me I’ll never go to another VA Med Center. Terrible: filthy, poor quality of talent and care, long wait times, no one accountable.… Read more »
Jo3n

@Dr.Shulkin Are you hearing us? Whomever wants to, can paste this comment up their ass. Use a used VA nurse’s glove. God, help the Veterans. The VA isn’t interested.

namnibor
namnibor
I find it offensive that the VA and VA Sec. Shulkin would attempt to hijack a military term for closing installations as BRAC. Why? Each of the USAF Bases that were *closed* under BRAC under Clinton in 90’s I was stationed at were *never really closed* and in-fact, those exact same bases have now reopened after many years of environmental clean-ups or remained at very low hum supportive operations…then stirred to life again with recent last few years world terror… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

*Back-Assward*

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BRAC-Asswad

namnibor
namnibor

THAT is funny! 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Now that I think about it, does anyone else now wondering just how many VA SES’ers own stock in Lenscrafters? Wait for it…

Iluvmyfurbabies
Iluvmyfurbabies

LOL!!
good one.

91Veteran
91Veteran
It WILL cost them more in the long run if they close facilities, and move employees elsewhere. You can bet the AFGE will demand relocation expenses for any employee relocated. As for eye doctors, I was referred to an eye doctor locally for glasses. The VA reimbursed for such a low amount, there was a single style of frames I could get based on the lenses I needed. I can’t imagine what they will do for more serious problems like… Read more »
james gallegos
Relocation can be hazardous ! Example: VA closed a VA Hospital. I believe that they closed it down because the VA was having to pay employee’s because management was retaliating against them and the VA having to pay out a lot of money. To the point that the facility was a hazard. Problem is those that did not retire, were disbursed to other facilities. CBOC’s. I guess the VA figured that would fix the problem. In my opinion, it did… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
America will be no more or we will be fighting each other for food and shelter…..your right. but you cant tell most older people that. they think the government wouldn’t do that to us, BS just like they wouldn’t deny your claim when you have all the proof in the world… its just a matter of time when when the great banking ponzi scheme comes tumbling down.. and yes they can get into your computer anytime they want…AND LEM. ME… Read more »
James Gallegos

So VA employees can effect your computer.

They can hide the truth. Shame.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I have “eye problems” also. I’m on two specific meds for both eyes. Lens Crafters doesn’t do what I need!
I might be having to have eye surgery in the future.
All due to an explosion, 122 rocket, in Vietnam (1968)!
If they close down all the eye clinics, will VA send me to a specialist that speaks English?
There’s only one here in Central Florida I would trust!

Cantigny
Cantigny

service connected for eyes & ears myself, wonder what type of aids we’ll get for eyes & ears when VA shuts down those units? veterans do get great hearing aids at most VA facilities, though they do push out the ones VA wants you to have when in truth they may have some better ones available. i.e., you know, clear the shelves of old stock on the unsuspecting veteran.

ron nesler
ron nesler

I support closing down any VA facility possible. If this is sincere — who would know? — it’s wonderful, but I question the sincerity of a piddling $25 million. That doesn’t even rise to the level of budget dust

namnibor
namnibor
@ron nesler – It was that very paltry figure of $25 Million savings that was the huge red flag for my questioning the sincerity of their proposed actions, and reason I suggested it was merely a smokescreen for moving the deckchairs around again. I truly hope I am wrong, but I am thinking there’s at least one zero/decimal point missing on that $25 Million. Even $250 Million would be lower part of plausible. The VA is never great with numbers…wouldn’t… Read more »
lambda5555m
lambda5555m
Why is it that they think closing facilities makes a big difference? $25 million dollars is chump change. They just don’t get it. I read reports that said the VA loses 2-4 billion a year in mismanagement and other stupid folly’s so why do we have to suffer because they think they know best. We have an outsider now at the head of the VA. He has never been a Soldier or ever served in any branch of the Military… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Right-on, it’s not really the structures/facilities that are the problem with the VA, it’s the engorged AFGE purple teams in all of them.
Nothing that a well-targeted tactical neutron bomb wouldn’t take care of and leave the structures intact and even kill the flesh-eating bacteria infecting the facilities. Win/Win. We Veterans can deal with radiation, just not engorged AFGE Purple Teams. Time to burn-off the fat! 🙂

Robert Carlyle Berrett
Robert Carlyle Berrett
The VA is broken and cannot be fixed because of the cynical, arrogant, corrupt bureaucracy. I have seen it time and time again and the recent publicity confirms it. Veterans need to be able to go to the best doctor, get care, and have the care paid for by the Government. There is no need for veterans to be treated by Nurse Practioners, Physician Assistants instead of REAAL DOCTORS OF THE VETERAN’S CHOICE OR TO BE TREATED BY SOME DOCTOR… Read more »
James Gallegos
Agree what the VA has become, a real danger to veteran’s they have proven it over and over. Yes, VA employees would make fun of veterans with a disability, adjudicated or not. Suicide us a blessing for the VA one less veteran to deal with. Ok he’s dead grant him his disability. Really how many veteran’s have killed themselves because they denied their disability. Without an adjudicated claim they refuse treatment ! I know I’m one of the thousands they… Read more »
Iluvmyfurbabies
Iluvmyfurbabies

If your silent, they will just say you’re being non-compliant.
Silence IS a response.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Crunching the Numbers – Something is amiss here. Red flags are at full mast. Why? The numbers don’t make sense. Let me briefly but simply explain as we follow the numbers; $25 Million / year ——————— = $21,459.23 year/facility divided by 12 months = $1,788.30 facility / month 1165 Facilities I don’t know the sizes of these VA Facilities that Shulkin is referring too, but it seems like $1,788.30 a month is an extremely low cost per each facility per… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

I may have a build-up of some sort of plaque but am pretty sure it’s an all-natural resin and my brain either way does not see the logic in the number’s Shulkin presented. Remember, language is indeed a virus with the VA so that $25 Million may be *really* referencing savings in VA Interior Decorating costs. Just saying, the VA redefines everything so what’s a few 100 Million here and there?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Skeptically following . . .

Jo3n

Maybe it is the buildings and their locations. Do we know anything about them? I don’t trust anything THEY ARE SAYING OR DOING.

namnibor
namnibor

“I want to believe” (cue ‘X-Files’ theme music…)

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Namnibor – – – Believe, believe . . . Good. How do you feel now? Better? “A lot better than earlier sir.” Good, good. Is this your first time? “Why yes it is sir.” Nice, nice. Here you go, fill out this contact card so that we can keep in touch. And, don’t forget to sign on the line so that you can be committed. “How much does this cost?” Oh its costless.” Provided by the Cannabiz Comedy Club of… Read more »
FedUp
FedUp

Doesn’t any good news ever come out of the VA. The old adage, he’s lying, because his lips are moving, sure seems to apply here. Send our young people into harms way, and when they return, their told to stay off the grass. I hope Thrump, puts a boot up his ass.

Jo3n

One way to reduce maintenance and wasted space is to remove all AFGE personnel from our(Veterans) taxpayers funded buildings. Let AFGE pay their own employees instead of using taxpayers money that isn’t delegated to be spent on THEM. Maybe it’s more than that twenty-five million. You’re not draining nothing, you’re parting it out. Did I mention that we could use a few Doctors?

Robert
Hi my wounderful VETERAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS . Around four months ago first of 2017, I and my wife went to the Atlanta V A medical center aka hospital. I had finally after many years of turn downs been awarded a good and certain type of service connected disability rating from a injury that’s permanent and is worsening over the years. I had with me my VA card saying service connected disabled showing not the percentage of disability. It’s not… Read more »
Jim nose
Jim nose
Robert, very interesting. Sounds like that nurse got hers. I’me glad you received a positive outcome. You stood strong. I also see outside doctors and when he or she prescribes meds for me I speak to my primary care doctor at the va and she puts it in for me. Also my heart doctor on the outside communicates with my va heart doctor. So any heart med I need I get thru the vs. no prescription needed. Maybe I’me lucky… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Interesting. Given the millions wasted by the VA on so many frivolous things, I can’t see this as a budget savings idea dreamed up by anyone in VA. Regardless of who came up with it, I think its a good plan since the feral goobermint seems to collect buildings and property like a crazy lady collects cats. It also seems weird that an agency expected to get an increase in their budget would propose saving money elsewhere. I mean, this… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
I forgot to add…I cannot see any way the VA can get rid of buildings unless they are currently empty. If they are being used, I cannot see them closing down the facility and moving people elsewhere since every Congressman will be whining about the cost to whatever community they are in. It would not matter their record of malpractice, abuse of veterans or wait list fraud. The only way I can see them closing any facility currently in use… Read more »
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