BREAKING: Secretary Of Veterans Affairs May Close Over 1,100 VA Facilities

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VA Facility Closure

The Secretary of Veteran Affairs David Shulkin, MD, is seeking to close possibly more than 1,100 VA facilities nationwide in push to privatize VA medical care.

During a Congressional hearing today, Shulkin said he sought to close 430 vacant and 735 underutilized buildings to save the taxpayers $25 million per year. He told Congress VA may use the same process as the Pentagon for base closures, called Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC).

“Whether BRAC is a model that we should take a look, we’re beginning that discussion with members of Congress,” Shulkin told a House appropriations subcommittee. “We want to stop supporting our use of maintenance of buildings we don’t need, and we want to reinvest that in buildings we know have capital needs.”

The move comes on the heels of a recent announcement that President Donald Trump decided to dramatically reduce the fat from the federal government’s budget including removal of duplicative or useless service areas. While VA did receive a budget increase, the agency has decided to restrict hiring including not filling roughly 4,000 vacant positions.

While Congress welcomed the announcement, at least on Republican gave some advice to Shulkin about using the term BRAC to describe what VA is planning.

“Don’t ever use the term BRAC because it brings up a lot of bad memories,” Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb) cautioned. “You automatically set yourself up for a lot of controversy.”

Base reduction through the BRAC model received a lot of negative press over the years. Communities that had grown dependent on military spending in their area vis a vis operations on a military base and spending from local military members is a known local stimulus, and closure of a base sometimes resulted in shutting down of entire towns as a result.

Some readers may recall another recent announcement that Shulkin did not intend to privatize VA healthcare while out of the other side of his mouth announcing that he planned to stop the agency from providing eye and hearing care.

Last week, Shulkin allegedly told a room full of VA healthcare facility directors that he planned to stop providing optometry or audiology services since there is a “LensCrafters on every corner.”

The move is aimed at reducing expenditures at local facilities to then allow those same facilities to use the extra funds to fix problems at the same facility. I will write more of this behind the scenes discussion later.

Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/shulkin-says-hes-considering-closing-1100-veterans-affairs-facilities/

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Rick Lipary
Rick Lipary

It depends on what you believe. Many people believe thzt something HUGE is going to happen in not too long, and they are downsizing everything they can for the triple purpose of keeping patriots from using the facilities when national warfare breaks out, to save money, (although the mentioned 25 million dollars is a typo or huge underestimate) and to pave the way to cut ALLveterans benefits if their side wins!

GHKennard
GHKennard

It is a real HUGE typo because at least ten workers being paid per year amounts to $25 million dollars, they make a lot of money doing what? Tell me exactly what one worker does to help a veteran besides a doctor or nurse?

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Jo3n
Jo3n

Another Dr. Shulkin talking about buildings. We need Doctors and trained nurses. We need to get rid of backlogs. Veterans need an avenue to expose useless VA employees, and to hold them accountable. Any money the VA can save, we’ll never know where it went. We will know where it didn’t go. It’s not going to what we need so desperately. Tired of the lies and hidden agendas.

Belle Payne
Belle Payne

The VA may claim to be saving by not filling vacant positions, but they failed to mention that they’ve all of those positions by way of internal promotions. Millions of dollars in raises and training is being spent covertly. Not to mention, this may indirectly create a larger backlog due to the fact that all of those promotions have created more vacancies that won’t be filled. The Regional Office employees in Compensation & Pension will be swamped more than ever.

Warhorse
Warhorse

Hey VA, want to save money??? Throw AFGE and all of their worthless fucking minions out of taxpayer funded facilities. Also while you’re at it shitcan the so called Veterans advocates, the VSO’s.

daniel
daniel

I’m being bullied by a VA advocate it’s been going on for years American Lake VA Washington State

james gallegos
james gallegos

this is a major problem with VA employees, get the names of all involved and write a letter to the secretary on how your being treated. The patient rep’s were hired to help veterans when they have problems with the staff.

Explain that you can not find resolution to you problem and how the Rep is treating you, have you been threatened. Have you been reported to the disruptive committee. If not that will probably be the next step.

I believe that all veterans that are having problems should write the secretary and let him know how they are treating veterans when they seek help with a bad employee. Employees have all the protection and veterans None.

If we stay quite he will never know what is going on and where. Also send a copy to the VA committee on veterans affairs the Senate committee. The VA is to report each year to them about employee’s that have done something wrong and the action taken or action not taken and why.

Some times people think someone else will write and the problem maybe fixed. Lets not leave it to chance.

Many employee’s still do not get the message that if they harm a veterans there is a price to pay. We have to whittle away at the problem. One employee at a time, the God syndrome must be addressed.

You have more power than you think. In these cases the Pen is mightier than the sword. If they don’t know about the problems, they can not be addressed.

VA IS LYING INC
VA IS LYING INC

CONGRESS COWARDS GIVE ALL VETS VOUCHERS DEBIT CARDS VETS ARE BIG BOYS VETS CAN FIND THEIR OWN HEALTHCARE ASAP SPENF ALL VA BUDGET 182 BILLION ON VETS HEALTH @ GET RIDE AFGE UNION CONTRACTS THAT REP 380,000 FEDERAL WOORKETS ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

JIM BURCHELL
JIM BURCHELL

AMEN ON THAT WARHORSE ! I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO USE THE DAV FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS , THEY NEVER DID SHIT FOR ME , I FINALLY DROP THEM !FOUND A RETIRED VETERAN ON SOUTH SIDE OF ATLANTA WHO WORKS FOR THE STATE OF GEORGIA FILING CLAIMS FOR VETERANS , HE IS THE GREATEST ! HE IS “NOT ” A VA EMPLOYEE !MOST OF THOSE BASTARDS WON’T HELP YOU AT ALL OR TELL YOU YOU CAN’T FILE A CLAIM ! “WORTHLESS EMPLOYEES ” ! FIND YOU A CLAIMS OFFICE WHO WORKS FOR YOUR STATE AND NOT THE VA !

VA IS LYING INC
VA IS LYING INC

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VA IS LYING INC
VA IS LYING INC

AMEN BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

VA airways needs more and more and more.

Whole veteran’s get less and less and less.

The VA needs to get rid of many employees due to their lack of accountability.

They sit and pick their noses, tell the veterans tell someone who cares, next !

We don’t need more nose pickers, we need people who really care.

I know I’m being a smart ass, but how did we get to where we are at now ?, VA employees !

Get rid of the dead wood and a new ? would grow healthy and strong. Who wants thousands of new employees learning bad habits from current employees.

VA employees should be turning in employees who do not care. All they have to do is film them in action, old habits are hard to brake.

Veteran’s must be respected not accused of disruptive behavior. It’s always about employees and veterans are left out in the cold. Why ?

Doc Sanchez
Doc Sanchez

I’m a 19 year VA Employee and I know you ain’t talkin’ about me, Sir…me and my coworkers bust our ars’s every day to give the best care to my fellow Veterans…sorry your experience was negative, and those few Employees who disrespect Vets should be fired, but the whole VA is not made up of the few bad apples…

LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ

FEW?? Get rid of the crack pipe…

Between bonuses, manipulated programs such as Voc Rehab, and disrespectful and intellectually flawed employees as in the many, VA needs to go.

SOLUTION: Get rid of and eternally destroy the VA as it is known today. This disables the union because a newly named federal veteran agency would have a new mission statement therefore reestablishing a new workforce after firing the tens of thousands.
Next: hire veterans, in particular veterans with a compatible MOS or RATE within the medical career fiend as in nurses, personnel admin, combat medics and corpsman, supply NCO’s, and most importantly, DO NOT HIRE ANY O’GRADE FOR A SENIOR POSITION, INSTEAD EVERY SENIOR POSITION BE GIVEN TO SENIOR ENLISTED VETERANS. LOGIC AND PAST EXPERIENCE SHOWS O’ GRADES GOING INTO SENIOR POSITIONS TEND TO SCREW THINGS UP AS IN CURRENT VA AFFAIRS.
NEXT: PAY FOR VA EMPLOYEES WOULD BE $10,000 ABOVE CURRENT MILITARY PAY SCALES AND SUBSEQUENT RAISES AND/OR EVALUATIONS EVERY 6 MONTHS…..
FINALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, ABSOLUTELY NO BONUSES FOR ANYBODY, PERIOD!!!!
GET RID OF SHULKIN…..

james gallegos
james gallegos

If you would read my posts I and others state that there are some good employees and there are a lot of Bad employees. If VA employee’s would do some research on their own, they could fine the Bad Apples. Can everyone be wrong in calling the VA the second worst place to work.

Retaliation against each other for bring out wrong doings, Falsely accusing veterans of disruptive behavior, Playing hungry hippo games. Employees keeping secret wait list. VBA denying veterans claims just to clear out the back log.

I have meet good and Bad and the good ones get Praise by me calling and expressing my thoughts. So yes we veterans want to be treated with respect, but many veterans get the opposite.

Reputation was not made by me, it is made by the VA itself. If you see something wrong say something, don’t leave it to the other Guy. Thanks for caring.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

How many times have we heard this before! Every time the VA threatens to shut down VHA’s, they open another one!

Although I agree some VERY SMALL VHA’s should be shutdown, the odds are in VA’s favor of keeping them open.

On the other hand, a VERY SMALL VHA which employs say 10 to 20 people, will not have any impact on the surrounding businesses!
Unlike a military base which employed hundreds of civilians and had a few thousand service members, as that Representative claimed!
Big difference there between a very small VHA and a military base!

I suggest “laying off” incompetent worthless healthcare providers.
How about “laying off” those providers who DIDN’T graduate from American Medical Universities – like maybe Harvard or Yale!
Or how about “laying off” those incompetent VHA employees who continue to “cook the books” on “wait times”!
I do believe being “Laid off” is different than being “fired”! An employee just won’t know if he/she will be brought back!
The, (AFGE), union can’t stop layoffs due to “money management”, because the members are not being fired. What “leg” will the union stand upon when VA starts laying off its employees!?

I also see this “ploy” by “Shithead Shulkin” as a way to possibly allow VBA/VHA upper management employees to put additional taxpayers monies in their pockets! Why? Because they just received more taxpayers monies for this fiscal year, than in all the fiscal years prior!

Basically, what I see is; a massive theft ring of degenerates! Like the director who was fired at the VHA in Louisiana recently! He was more worried about buying furniture, big flat screen TVs and other non-essential medical items than giving veterans quality healthcare!

These are my opinions and thoughts, under my Rights determined by the Constitution and Bill of Rights!
Lastly; “FUCK OFF VA!”

james gallegos
james gallegos

Agree rural areas have maybe 10 employees. One nurse and one PA, Nurse practitioner and in my area. Just a nurse right now and all the rest are administrative. All of these administrative position can be done from the main facility.

Go into the clinic and get frustrated and say anything about it, You become a threat. to their Job.

Veterans in Rural areas should be able to use Choice and close the clinics down. Rural Areas are breeding grounds for Managers to pick Friends and distant family members. They will lie and cover up, because you do not Bite the hand that feeds you.

Choice is the Answer, save millions. 8 Administrative employee’s and one or maybe two treating personnel and the Manager control their actions, by feeding lies about certain veterans. Its not good.

LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ

I wish I could claim your post…

Got your 6 on this one…..

Iluvmyfurbabies
Iluvmyfurbabies

I personally think that LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ has the most logical solution on this post.
#ihaveur6also!

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@ANutterVet,@all: I just got off the phone with Disgruntled Veteran, his computer system was just hit with a vengeance, and will be back on line in few days. That is 3 computers so far, from 3 different blog members, in 3 different parts of the world. I don’t think this is coincidence. Like I posted earlier, HEED Seymores warning and DO NOT click on any links associated with YOUR handle, on sites where YOU DIDN’T leave a comment. Something is a foot, BEWARE.

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Damn spell checker………afoot.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Thanks for the warning!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Another thing to be aware of is if you have a gmail account. Google was hit with a massive phishing campaign today. Emails received by Gmail users looked like they came from legitimate senders asking the recipient to click on a link for a Google Doc. That link went to a script that changed permissions on the users gmail account giving full permissions to the hacker.

At one point, it took out at least two of Googles servers affecting many thousands of people all over the world.

Do a search on “Google hit by phishing” for news articles on it.

The real problem with this was that the web address for the link in the email was a real Google link. The hackers just used weaknesses in Googles applications to gain permissions from the user.

james gallegos
james gallegos

Something is going on, Secretary Shulkin has an employee by the name of Stephanie, has been there awhile and she handled my case I sent to McDonalds office about a VA Manager who retaliated against me.

This employee contacted me Via E-mail and told me twice that the employee in question NO longer worked for the VA. When I advised her that she was given the incorrect information about the employee not working for the VA or she was lying to me.

Stephanie or someone Removed the E-mails from my computer and she cut off all communication. This is telling me they have access to do this. She sent the whole packet right back to the Denver for action. Denver’s response Case closed.

I thought that was strange, can they or do they have the ability to do this ?

LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ

I say we gather up some teams, but first get some of our mil analysts to gather names and pert. info…..

MOVE OUT!!!!

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

All saving will of course go to the regional directors that locate all these unused but still maintained BUILDINGS that the VA has as BONUSES net value to Taxpayers ZERO, Net Value to VETERAMS NEGITIVE

Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran
Just Another Combat Wounded Veteran

Good!
Roll it all into either Social Security or Medicare, and give us ID cards. Take their budget and give it to either of those groups. If they want to establish levels of care for services provided by services or disabilities, fine. Let us get care at the providers of our choice! My personal experiences prove to me I’ll never go to another VA Med Center. Terrible: filthy, poor quality of talent and care, long wait times, no one accountable. The private medical system works much, much better. If a Vet likes her/his care at a VA facility, fine let them go there also. But for the vast majority of us who have been through the grist mill on sooooooo many levels, don’t force us to only go to a VA facility. Why should we be forced to go to subpar practitioners? That’s not medical care!

Jo3n
Jo3n

@Dr.Shulkin Are you hearing us? Whomever wants to, can paste this comment up their ass. Use a used VA nurse’s glove. God, help the Veterans. The VA isn’t interested.

namnibor
namnibor

I find it offensive that the VA and VA Sec. Shulkin would attempt to hijack a military term for closing installations as BRAC.
Why?
Each of the USAF Bases that were *closed* under BRAC under Clinton in 90’s I was stationed at were *never really closed* and in-fact, those exact same bases have now reopened after many years of environmental clean-ups or remained at very low hum supportive operations…then stirred to life again with recent last few years world terror events.
This VA hijacking of BRAC is in my opinion nothing but a huge smokescreen that will lead right up to a an additional money grab, wait for it.

Also, wait for this: My theory at least, is that the VA will indeed “close” a number of facilities but the CHOICE program will STILL use those closed locations to deny CHOICE to Vets.

Also, with Shulkin stating “…there’s a Lenscrafters on every corner…”, well, that’s a HUGE ASSumption that Vets can even AFFORD lenscrafters or other private eye/audio specialists. Is the VA now going to allow CHOICE for eye/hearing or will it be dependent on a Veteran living more than 40 miles from a Lenscrafters now….seeing how Shulkin was very specific about how numerous the Lenscrafters are?
Will the VA even take Lenscrafter’s word when the determine a Vet indeed has far worse problems that they cannot address and need to be referred to an expensive eye specialists? Lenscrafters does not even do a specialized test I need for a specific virus I am prone to with my eyes…how will this work or not?

Rat Bastards will also probably receive bonuses for identifying to-be-closed buildings and the VA will likely relocate all the engorged VA employees affected to another watering hole…no savings in end and I predict this will actually cost the VA and taxpayers MORE in long run….because everything is bac-assward at the VA. 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

*Back-Assward*

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namnibor
namnibor

THAT is funny! 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Now that I think about it, does anyone else now wondering just how many VA SES’ers own stock in Lenscrafters? Wait for it…

Iluvmyfurbabies
Iluvmyfurbabies

LOL!!
good one.

91Veteran
91Veteran

It WILL cost them more in the long run if they close facilities, and move employees elsewhere.

You can bet the AFGE will demand relocation expenses for any employee relocated.

As for eye doctors, I was referred to an eye doctor locally for glasses. The VA reimbursed for such a low amount, there was a single style of frames I could get based on the lenses I needed.

I can’t imagine what they will do for more serious problems like yours, other than to claim the problem doesn’t exist, or it suddenly cured itself.

james gallegos
james gallegos

Relocation can be hazardous ! Example: VA closed a VA Hospital. I believe that they closed it down because the VA was having to pay employee’s because management was retaliating against them and the VA having to pay out a lot of money. To the point that the facility was a hazard.

Problem is those that did not retire, were disbursed to other facilities. CBOC’s. I guess the VA figured that would fix the problem. In my opinion, it did not solve the problem, all it did was spread the Bad employee’s to another facility.

They are the very same employee’s that were doing the harm in the first place. So closing the facility did nothing to stop the abuse.

Only one way to fix the problem ! Fire people that should not be there, the problem is that if they do not do a proper investigation and inform all VA employee’s when a investigation is being imitated into wrong doing’s and the employee’s do not answer truthfully, they will be found as part of the problem and appropriate action will been taken. Your Fired !

Accountability is key. A no nonsense approach is required. Once employee’s see for them selves that they will be held accountable will things change. If employees see that if they blow the whistle and are protected, not only will employee’s feel better about their jobs, the Veterans would benefit, by Good employee’s being happier knowing they matter.

The way it sounds is that we maybe going to enter WW 3 and the VA will not be able to handle all the Carnage caused by War and will have to use outside facilities to care for the wounded.

The Draft will be used and then thousands or millions of Families will be effected and then we will hear a loud out cry from them. Problem is it maybe to late.

America will be no more or we will be fighting each other for food and shelter.

People in America better wake up and speak up. This is not a Game.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

America will be no more or we will be fighting each other for food and shelter…..your right. but you cant tell most older people that. they think the government wouldn’t do that to us, BS just like they wouldn’t deny your claim when you have all the proof in the world… its just a matter of time when when the great banking ponzi scheme comes tumbling down.. and yes they can get into your computer anytime they want…AND LEM. ME POSTING THINGS LINKING BACK TO A GOV. WEB SIGHT IS FAKE NEWS

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

So VA employees can effect your computer.

They can hide the truth. Shame.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I have “eye problems” also. I’m on two specific meds for both eyes. Lens Crafters doesn’t do what I need!
I might be having to have eye surgery in the future.
All due to an explosion, 122 rocket, in Vietnam (1968)!
If they close down all the eye clinics, will VA send me to a specialist that speaks English?
There’s only one here in Central Florida I would trust!

Cantigny
Cantigny

service connected for eyes & ears myself, wonder what type of aids we’ll get for eyes & ears when VA shuts down those units? veterans do get great hearing aids at most VA facilities, though they do push out the ones VA wants you to have when in truth they may have some better ones available. i.e., you know, clear the shelves of old stock on the unsuspecting veteran.

ron nesler
ron nesler

I support closing down any VA facility possible. If this is sincere — who would know? — it’s wonderful, but I question the sincerity of a piddling $25 million. That doesn’t even rise to the level of budget dust

namnibor
namnibor

@ron nesler – It was that very paltry figure of $25 Million savings that was the huge red flag for my questioning the sincerity of their proposed actions, and reason I suggested it was merely a smokescreen for moving the deckchairs around again.
I truly hope I am wrong, but I am thinking there’s at least one zero/decimal point missing on that $25 Million. Even $250 Million would be lower part of plausible. The VA is never great with numbers…wouldn’t that also imply and implore that the VA be appointed a fiduciary to ask to even buy toilet paper let alone some color changing furniture? 🙂

lambda5555m
lambda5555m

Why is it that they think closing facilities makes a big difference? $25 million dollars is chump change. They just don’t get it. I read reports that said the VA loses 2-4 billion a year in mismanagement and other stupid folly’s so why do we have to suffer because they think they know best. We have an outsider now at the head of the VA. He has never been a Soldier or ever served in any branch of the Military so who would have thought he would have done good for us? This is getting pathetic. I could fix the VA, but don’t know if I want to waste my time if they wouldn’t do what I said. There is a lot more wrong than some empty buildings and underutilzed facilities…get everything else fixed, then go after that, but seems like the do things assbackwards….

namnibor
namnibor

Right-on, it’s not really the structures/facilities that are the problem with the VA, it’s the engorged AFGE purple teams in all of them.
Nothing that a well-targeted tactical neutron bomb wouldn’t take care of and leave the structures intact and even kill the flesh-eating bacteria infecting the facilities. Win/Win. We Veterans can deal with radiation, just not engorged AFGE Purple Teams. Time to burn-off the fat! 🙂

Robert Carlyle Berrett
Robert Carlyle Berrett

The VA is broken and cannot be fixed because of the cynical, arrogant, corrupt bureaucracy.
I have seen it time and time again and the recent publicity confirms it.
Veterans need to be able to go to the best doctor, get care, and have the care paid for by the Government.
There is no need for veterans to be treated by Nurse Practioners, Physician Assistants instead of REAAL DOCTORS OF THE VETERAN’S CHOICE OR TO BE TREATED BY SOME DOCTOR WHO CAN BARELY SPEAK ENGLISH.
Psychiatrists and psychologists consistently attempt to sabotage veterans’ applications for compensation and these so called psychologists and psychiatrists are coached to defeat these veterans’ applications, they are arrogant, snotty, devious, and understand ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what the veteran has gone through.
There was a “doctor”, “doctor of education” who was in charge of all of the psychiatrists and psychologists at the Wash. D.C. VA, who bragged that he could not be fired, even though he had laughingly publicly described veterans who had suffered brain trauma as “FAKIRS”…..?????!!!
One of these “fakirs” after being refused treatment by this “DOCTOR” of EDUCATION killed himself.
Another allegedly killed his wife and then himself.
Finally this “doctor” was removed by the Inspector General of the VA.
However, he went on active duty in the Navy, (he was a member of a reserve unit) and then FOUR YEARS LATER CAME BACK WITH ALL OF HIS PROMOTIONS AND PAY RAISES HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AS IF HE HAD NEVER LEFT??!!
These boobecrats can not be cured they must be discarded.
The sabotage veterans’ claims for disability/compensation.
There is no reason why an independent attorney cannot be given these applications and decided with the statute by which claims are supposed to be decided, “BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT”
In the law, (as is practiced in the VA system), once your claim gets to the Board of Veterans Appeals it is an “appeal” and for the most part you can not add in any evidence of your disability which you may have inadvertently left out (as a non lawyer).
Then your claim is opposed by at least FOUR GOVERNMENT LAWYERS, OPPOSED IN ANY TECHNICAL WAY,….why can’t you be assigned a lawyer when you start your claim??!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
I was told by the head of a Regional Office, (off of the record) that these adjudicators throw away veterans’ claims, hide them, in fact I caught them hiding my claim record, believe it or not……
Get rid of the VA buildings, the VA “doctors”, the whole frigging bureaucracy, let real objective professionals administer the medical care and the granting of compensation ………………………

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Agree what the VA has become, a real danger to veteran’s they have proven it over and over.

Yes, VA employees would make fun of veterans with a disability, adjudicated or not.

Suicide us a blessing for the VA one less veteran to deal with. Ok he’s dead grant him his disability.

Really how many veteran’s have killed themselves because they denied their disability. Without an adjudicated claim they refuse treatment !

I know I’m one of the thousands they done it to and after hiring an attorney finding out they lied about My military record’s.

I did try to kill myself and when I finely got treatment, they used the past suicide attempts against me.

If you tell them about getting into fist fights, defending yourself these use it against you.

They try to get the veterans to say negative things about one’s childhood and they will try and use that against the veterans.

All said and done, a veteran can not tell them anything, that will not be turned around to speak negatively about the veterans.

I have learned not to say anything about My problems. How are you today ?

Fine end of conversation ! Just renew my medication and I’m out of here.

Silence is golden or they will use that against the veterans.

Iluvmyfurbabies
Iluvmyfurbabies

If your silent, they will just say you’re being non-compliant.
Silence IS a response.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Crunching the Numbers – Something is amiss here. Red flags are at full mast. Why? The numbers don’t make sense. Let me briefly but simply explain as we follow the numbers;

$25 Million / year
——————— = $21,459.23 year/facility divided by 12 months = $1,788.30 facility / month
1165 Facilities

I don’t know the sizes of these VA Facilities that Shulkin is referring too, but it seems like $1,788.30 a month is an extremely low cost per each facility per each month of operation. Besides the costs of facilities, you will have to add the wage cost per each VA employee that works in the 1165 VA Facilities.

So for simple sake, the pay of only one employee [Janitorial Engineer or food worker], would more than likely eat up the above calculated one month facility cost of $1,788.30. Like I said, the numbers don’t add up. Others have commented as well to the basic number crunching.

I get the feeling that the VA leadership [Shulkin], thinks that we Veterans can’t count or think due to most of us being older Veterans, and possibly our minds are filled with sticky beta-amyloid plaque. Does anyone else see the same thing with the numbers? How about the build-up of beta-amyloid plaque? Just sayin, because thankfully I’m still able to think, rationalize, and calculate.

namnibor
namnibor

I may have a build-up of some sort of plaque but am pretty sure it’s an all-natural resin and my brain either way does not see the logic in the number’s Shulkin presented. Remember, language is indeed a virus with the VA so that $25 Million may be *really* referencing savings in VA Interior Decorating costs. Just saying, the VA redefines everything so what’s a few 100 Million here and there?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Skeptically following . . .

Jo3n
Jo3n

Maybe it is the buildings and their locations. Do we know anything about them? I don’t trust anything THEY ARE SAYING OR DOING.

namnibor
namnibor

“I want to believe” (cue ‘X-Files’ theme music…)

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – – – Believe, believe . . . Good. How do you feel now? Better? “A lot better than earlier sir.” Good, good. Is this your first time? “Why yes it is sir.” Nice, nice. Here you go, fill out this contact card so that we can keep in touch. And, don’t forget to sign on the line so that you can be committed. “How much does this cost?” Oh its costless.”

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I got carried away with the rambling. This post makes about as much sense as the current operations, medical services, and claims filing processes of the VA. Sorry, it seemed funny when I started to write out this chattering vernacular nonsense. I see differently now since I posted in brail.

FedUp
FedUp

Doesn’t any good news ever come out of the VA. The old adage, he’s lying, because his lips are moving, sure seems to apply here. Send our young people into harms way, and when they return, their told to stay off the grass. I hope Thrump, puts a boot up his ass.

Jo3n
Jo3n

One way to reduce maintenance and wasted space is to remove all AFGE personnel from our(Veterans) taxpayers funded buildings. Let AFGE pay their own employees instead of using taxpayers money that isn’t delegated to be spent on THEM. Maybe it’s more than that twenty-five million. You’re not draining nothing, you’re parting it out. Did I mention that we could use a few Doctors?

Robert
Robert

Hi my wounderful VETERAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS . Around four months ago first of 2017, I and my wife went to the Atlanta V A medical center aka hospital. I had finally after many years of turn downs been awarded a good and certain type of service connected disability rating from a injury that’s permanent and is worsening over the years. I had with me my VA card saying service connected disabled showing not the percentage of disability. It’s not a …100 PERCENT YET AND MAY NEVER BE .The reason I went there is that I was prescribed some different Meds by a non VA Doctor. One prescription there was NO GENERIC FOR IT . The Doctor said I must have it and he had no samples. My private insurance nor my Medicare would not pay anything, on that one time very very high dollar prescription. I needed help on that ONE PRESCRIPTION, the others I payed a very small copayment and insurance payed the rest. The VA would have furnished me those prescriptions as well because the VA will honor a civilian doctors prescription if the VET has been awarded a certain type service connected disability, but you must be seen by a doctor OR a licensed pharmacist which the VA allows a SENIOR pharmacist the powers to authorize without a VA doctors say so . But there’s a catch to this , I must had to first go and check in to the E R DEPARTMENT!!!! WE ALL know how that can be its like going to a amusement park isn’t it ? YEA RIGHT. Since I had been to a doctor and had in hand my prescription, only just the high dollar ONE,trying to be fair since I have insurance that would and did pay the others. I also had my State issued drivers license, my VA issued I D CARD ALL WITH MY GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL FACE ON THEM AND MY WIFE TO SAY WHAT I AM , I MEAN WHO I AM .I almost let that long tail cat out of the bag . My wife walks into ER I follow in my old power wheelchair which my private insurance paid for, well a women nurse asked if she could help me we had not said one word yet. I than showed her my prescription, my credentials and started asking her in a nice way do I need to go straight on to the pharmacy with this since I’m service connected disabled or———-she would not let me finish my question . She the nurse just short of yelling barked out because that’s the way she turned on me , who do you think you are? you have to wait in line like everyone else you can’t just jump the line and expect to talk to me . Wife and I look at each other in disbelief, I than say back well lady you seen my wife and I as we came in those very outside doors and you ask if you could help me and I thought WOW THATS NICE it shocked me , that’s why I was speechless when you first asked me. I said if you weren’t going to help than why did you ask me in the first place . That lit the fuse than yelling get out of my way and get in line because your not special. I might have expected that from some old nurse in boot camp forty five years ago but this nurse was around twenty five and gorgeous. I get in line which moved pretty fast ,10 or 12 minutes later I’m back in front of this nurse and my wife is squeezing my hand with hers to remind me to remain CALM . I DID THANKS HONEY , rats!!! I SAY NOTHING nurse again can I help you. New approach!!! Yes mam you can, thank you that’s sweet, all I’m asking holding out all info for her to grasp and read, do I need to see the E R Doctor for him to appove this civil prescription or just go to pharmacy with it . BINGO …..nurses response. Your not so special and the VA police are standing over there .AND SHE SMILES !!!! Now we’re squeezing each other’s hand cutting off the blood flow and blood is about to start flowing from the holes in our mouths flappers. We literally back away and walk away before my pacemaker went wild and my defibrillator started going goofy. Which private insurance paid for. Stepping outside using cell phone we call the very place were at and THEY ANSWERD FAST I told the nice lady my problem she said please don’t hang up because I’m getting you some help. Very very shortly I was transferred to a dept the phone rang ONLY TWICE another lady answered saying Mr and my last name , only the mean nurse knew my name for I had not given it to anyone else. The lady I was talking to was the HEAD NURSE over all the nurses .After confirming to her that I was still there at ER she said please wait and told me where to wait at. Fifteen minutes later two people walk up wearing very nice business suits .After hearing OUR story theses two asked me for my prescription and VA I D card I handed it to them they said someone would be with me shortly and was told to go sit at a different place and pay close attention. They did not say to what. Well my wife and I were shown where to wait at. After about twenty minutes and still no answer to my question concerning my prescription. My wife goes to the lady’s ,well you know. Boo HOO while she’s in there there’s a different well dressed man and lady that approach this ER NURSE she’s handed and envelope than followed out of sight than no more than a minute later she’s followed back by the same people .The nurse is escorted out and the VA POLICE stand and watches as she walks out of sight which the police than got on there radios while watching the direction the disappeared in. Why were the police on there radios ? Probably unrelated reasons . I’m almost finished. My wife’s pulling her hair out because she missed seeing the fallen ax. I’m met by a senior pharmacist given my Meds and I D .Nothing else was said . I could not figure out how that head nurse knew my name and had knowledge of some of what had happened. I know that nurse didn’t rat on her self . Than the answer came to me while wrighting this . I remember a MAN standing behind me while I was in line in my power wheelchair he tapped me on my shoulder and said I believe this belongs to you. He handed me my VA card that I had dropped when it did not make it into my shirt pocket with my prescription and license did. He must had heard part of what happened if not all of it. If your reading this thanks my brother for having my back. I’ll never forget. I pray and hope this is accepted and people read it. The VA HAD MY BACK AS WELL . THANK YOU VA . I PRAY FOR THE NURSE and hope we’ll for her. Your brother R E L.

Jim nose
Jim nose

Robert, very interesting. Sounds like that nurse got hers. I’me glad you received a
positive outcome. You stood strong.
I also see outside doctors and when he or she prescribes meds for me I speak
to my primary care doctor at the va and she puts it in for me.
Also my heart doctor on the outside communicates with my va heart doctor.
So any heart med I need I get thru the vs. no prescription needed.
Maybe I’me lucky but I have good doctors outside and at the va.
I am I Medicare and Medicare advantage. (Aetna)

91Veteran
91Veteran

Interesting. Given the millions wasted by the VA on so many frivolous things, I can’t see this as a budget savings idea dreamed up by anyone in VA. Regardless of who came up with it, I think its a good plan since the feral goobermint seems to collect buildings and property like a crazy lady collects cats.

It also seems weird that an agency expected to get an increase in their budget would propose saving money elsewhere. I mean, this is the same bunch still building that palace in Aurora and who shuffles directors around the country every other year without a seconds thought to cost.

It might also explain why every person I interacted with today at my VA appointment was so nice. If this plan trickled down through the ranks, I’m sure many will be on their best behavior trying to save their jobs. I was at X-ray at about 7:20 as I was supposed to be. The lady on duty today came walking down the hall just coming in to work just as I got there, and I expected to be told to wait in the waiting room until she settled in, but she told me to sign in before she even took her coat off. I did so, she checked me in and I went to the waiting room. About 10 minutes later the Xray tech came to get me. This wasn’t too surprising since the Xray department always seemed to be efficient.

After that, I went to Ortho, and the check in area seemed to be even cleaner and more professional than the last time I was there. The clerk said she would check me in, but I knew I would have to wait until the appointment, which was fine. I asked whether I might get in early and said I might go down to the chow hall and get breakfast, but they don’t open until 8am. She told me they now open at 7:30, and I should just go and she will check me in when I get back…so I did.

After eating, I checked in, and the intake nurse and questions were not done in the waiting room like they were before. I went right into a room after that, and even the doctor was early. What was shocking was the appointment lasting for about a half hour, easily 15 minutes more than they usually lasted. She explained everything, answered several questions, and even answered questions about kinds of supplements I could take for inflammation because I am allergic to so many other medicines.

I won’t say the VA is reformed because there are a huge number of other things they need to do yet, but things have certainly changed for the better since the election.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I forgot to add…I cannot see any way the VA can get rid of buildings unless they are currently empty. If they are being used, I cannot see them closing down the facility and moving people elsewhere since every Congressman will be whining about the cost to whatever community they are in. It would not matter their record of malpractice, abuse of veterans or wait list fraud.

The only way I can see them closing any facility currently in use is for Congress to do their usual routine. Appoint a Blue Ribbon commission made up of out of work politicians. Give them office space, a budget, per diem to travel the country investigating, and then they decide to close facilities. Congress can then point to the commission as being the ones who decided.

The problem is, during the last round of actual military base closures under BRAC, politics finally won over, and there were serious political favors being handed out to keep certain bases open.

I can also see the AFGE working with the VSO’s pushing a sad publicity campaign about how veterans will be so adversely affected and may die if hospital X is closed.

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