The Next 72 Hours – 3 Things Veterans Must Do During Civilian Emergency Room Visits

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VA Emergency Room Fee Basis

With the changing landscape at VA concerning emergency civilian care, there are a couple easy steps veterans must take in order to not get stuck with the bill.

This issue recently came up for me. Two months ago, I had symptoms of a heart attack. With our baby in tow, my wife proceeded to take me to the local emergency room in the suburbs of the Twin Cities for immediate help. Luckily, I did not die and am now feeling better.

But, had I failed to take a couple key steps, my pocket book would have taken a huge $6,000 hit, and that is what I wanted to write about today.

Emergency Care And VA Fee Basis

VA has a great program called fee basis that may cover certain veterans when they seek emergency care if entitled to the coverage. Generally speaking, this coverage is only applicable, however, if you provide notice to VA within 72 hours of admission.

Personally, I provided notice to my local VA medical center about the matter within the 72-hour window, but after two months of hearing nothing from VA, I grew a little concerned.

There is nothing like staring a $6,000 ER bill in the face to make you concerned. Again, luckily, I was covered, but many veterans out there get saddled with an ER bill either because they fail to take the required steps for coverage or because VA makes an adverse decision about the nature of their emergency.

I do not intend to discuss the latter scenario here, but I will address the first.

Here was my experience this week and things you need to know to make sure you do not need to cut a huge check to cover your non-VA emergency visit.

First, if you believe you are experiencing a medical emergency, go to the nearest emergency room you believe can provide the care you need.

Second, once there, be sure to inform the financial counselor that you are a disabled veteran who receives health care from the local VA medical center. Usually, the financial counselor is the person who comes into your emergency room to get your insurance information. Provide the actual name of the facility for their records.

The latter step obviously only applies to veterans who are conscious.

Third, be sure to ask the doctor or family member to contact VA to inform the agency that you are in the emergency room.

Personally, I prefer to make communications like this in writing and keep the record in case the inquiry gets lost.

You can use the IRIS system, fax in a letter to the local VA, or do some combination of both. Your emergency room staff should have the contact information for the local VA if it is in that region.

What I Did

For me, I contacted VA using the IRIS system immediately after I was discharged to provide “notice” of the incident to VA since I was within the 72-hour window. I then faxed in the IRIS routing number along with a brief explanation of why, when, and where I was seen to the Minneapolis VA.

The billing process usually takes a few months, and I did not hear back.

Today, I was not sure who to contact locally to find out where my claim was at within the process, so I called (877) 222-VETS (8387). An operator at that number transferred me to the correct fee basis office within the Minneapolis VA system.

The local number for that office is (612) 725-2019. This number will be different for each VA facility.

The fee basis operator there provided the name and number of the contact person responsible for my specific claim.

While on the phone, I also asked about a few details about the claim process for the purpose of reporting any new information back to my readers.

There is a new thing I was previously unaware of.

Whenever a disabled veteran has one rating of 50% or higher, VA is to be listed as the primary payer on the account. The operator informed me this was a newer change.

This may be important for veterans with at least one rating for one disability that is at least 50% disabling. In that instance, such veterans may have an easier time getting coverage than having to haggle with their own insurance, if they have it, and that insurance has a deductible.

Now, there is case law developing in this area, and VA is in the process of adjusting its policies when it comes to payment of emergency room visits.

In the past, problems have arising where veterans were stuck with the cost of the health care. Hopefully, new changes are on the horizon that will help resolve this kind of problem.

This aside, you need to remember that all veterans cases are unique and different. Not everyone will have the same entitlement or similar experiences. Each situation is different.

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Bill
Bill

Great info Ben

figure8fan
figure8fan
I shattered my right ankle and went to the local ER. I gave them my VA ID and informed them that I had my healthcare through the VA. later the ER doc told me that after they had discussed this with “everyone” it was suggested I be sent to Harbor View Hospital in Seattle by ambulance . I thought that “everyone” included the VA as I informed the ER nurse that my healthcare was through the VA. Wow, was I sadly mistaken. After my three day stay, eight screws and a plate later, I was released. Later the bills started… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Good article Ben. I am glad you are feeling better.

A couple questions that might help clarify this for other veterans if you could answer.

1. If a veteran goes to the ER even for non service connected conditions, shouldn’t they also notify VA?

2. What is IRIS?

Rick b
Rick b
Any veteran who has a disability of 50% or more is entitled to have the VA pay for emergency room care. Just as any veteran who is rated 50% or more is entitled to ALL medical care free at the VA. I don’t know about having the VA listed as a first payee, but why would any veteran who uses the VA tell any hospital about any other insurance. In fact, I have heard that it is not a good idea to tell the Emergency room personal that you have insurance outside of VA Care because they will bill the… Read more »
Fred Haas

When you go to the VA, the machine logs you in and also brings up you have Medicare. Besides travel pay.

figure8fan
figure8fan

I have never told them I have insurance through my work but they somehow found out and are now billing everything they can to them.
f8f

91Veteran
91Veteran
F8f, I was told by the VA that they have a third party contractor they use to search out whether a veteran has insurance. I requested who it was and what personal information the VA gave this company, and got a letter back with that information. Once they had my information, they started billing every single visit to my insurance, while ignoring service connection. When I called them on it, the VA claimed it was a mistake, but then kept billing for service connected care. I eventually requested the billing information for every appointment for a 2 year period. It… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Damn autocorrect. Still in = Shulkin.

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@91Veteran: Same here, billed Medicare, every single visit for service connected injuries. Every time I get a summary from my supplement insurance, there is always a duplicate charge. One from the VA, and one from the local VA clinic, that I have never stepped foot in. When questioned about this, they said “That’s because your PCP is on staff, at the clinic, and we have to pay for it somehow” can you believe that shit? Then followed up by the same excuse, “Oh it was a mistake”. Lying bastards!!!! More like SOP!!! Who the hell they think they’re kidding? I… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Dash dot, I seriously would like to know where that third party money goes to and how it’s used.

I suspect their accounting for that money is as good as their accounting for how long a vet has to wait for care.

Imagine all that off the books money. I also suspect they can report whatever they want to congress as to how much they collect…if they report it at all.

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@91Veteran: 91, this is cj. No clue where it goes. I know the first time I caught them illegally, billing my suplimental, (that I pay for), for my SC injuries, I searched online to see if anyone else was getting this. Plenty of others, have the same story. Mistake my ass, SOP for the VA. If you Google this problem, I especially like the story of the veteran, and the oxygen tanks. Shows just how corrupt the VA really is. Makes me wonder who’s​ cousin at the VA, owns the oxygen tank supply company.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
91Veteran, The money collected from third party billing goes into a fund controlled by the facility that collected it. They are then able to spend that money however they choose to. With no Congressional oversight or reporting required. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Source: New York Times “Deaths, Fraud Allegations and an Inquiry Into a Long Island V.A. Hospital” By KRISTINA REBELO and MARC SANTORASEPT. 19, 2016 “According to a person familiar with the investigation, who was not authorized to speak and requested anonymity, they will also be asked about allegations of widespread fraud, including the collection of thousands of dollars in fees to… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Thank you for posting that Seymore. It confirms my suspicions.

I had read previously that it went to the facility, but this provides a much more detail…and confirms it is fraud.

I also suspect veterans with insurance can get much faster care at the VA because that insurance can be milked.

How many vets without insurance have to wait because the VA is too busy trying to squeeze every dollar they can out of others.

I will copy the text of that article and reply back via email to the VAIG hotline, and to the House VAC.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey 91Veteran,

You said “I also suspect veterans with insurance can get much faster care at the VA because that insurance can be milked.”

I would like to add to that the 500,000 Veterans who have been denied due process of their claims for Health Care due to no insurance.

“Whistleblower Asks Trump To Fix VA Healthcare Backlog Purge Of 500,000 Claims”
By Benjamin Krause –
April 21, 2017
“http://www.disabledveterans.org/2017/04/21/whistleblower-asks-trump-to-fix-va-healthcare-backlog-purge-of-500000-claims/”

Lets also not forget the 24,000 new claims being added each month that are being added to the new backlog due to the Hot Springs Call Center fiasco.

figure8fan
figure8fan
They must know how much the private insurance pays out before the vet has to pay. I have already reached my max and now I am into me paying out of pocket. I have not used my private insurance on anything. The VA has used it all. That is another reason I am getting out of the VA HealthCare. I do not want to give them anymore money than they have already stole. They have received $3500 and I have an out of pocket max of $6,000. They will not get anymore of that after tomorrow. I also wonder why… Read more »
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@figure8fan: If they are charging you for service connected injuries, call and complain to billing and demand your insurance be reimbursed. I do it all the time, and ask for proof of reimbursement.

James Gallegos
This is sickness, whom ever started this at the VA should be fired or arrest. I had never thought about the possibility of this type of deception. The more veterans dig, the worse it gets ! Just sickeningly. They call veterans crazy, they better look in the mirror. The one congressman or senator stated no one dies from lack of care ! Were do all these brilliant people come from, where did they get their education. Or lack of. Some of these people could care less who lives or dies. Statements like this should be treason or someway assisting in… Read more »
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@Seymore Klearly: Seymore, thank you, another fine of investigative reporting. Rat bastards every single one of them. VA, Russian hacks, and Me-me- Meshkin, if I was blindfolded I couldn’t tell the difference, who’s who.

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DAMN AUTOCORRECT!!!! “another fine job”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s an interesting fact told to the wife and I last year!
IF you have to go to the emergency room for anything, and your wife signs anything, she then gets stuck with the bill and visa versa!
He, the attorney, said this. Yet, he didn’t explain what would happen if, say I was unconscious and the wife was present – could the hospital refuse to treat me if she didn’t sign anything?
What happens in this case?

Lem
Lem
I believe it is one disability with a 50% rating or a combined rating of 70%. Second do both either call or have someone call immediately. Then use recorded media within the 72 hours. If it is someone doing it for you and they don’t know how to record media to the VA they should send an email to your congressman and keep a copy. The ER care operator at the VA will always tell you they cannot guarantee payment. Finally, if you don’t have transportation and have an urgent care problem call and go to the ER instead of… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

An alternative if a Veteran cannot make it to any given emergency room is simply call the VA’s Suicide Hotline and make quacking sounds anytime they ask you on phone for info….and in no time, the real quack on the other end will send an extraction team to a nice solitary (or not) room with immediate healthcare needs taken care of, a few days of observation, wipe-off the drool and carry-on. (providing you were not transferred to the VA”s stormtrooper DBC extraction committee, then you are just truly f^cked)

Richard M. Levine
Richard M. Levine
I believe it is a little more complicated than as everyone described. I was looking into the rules about a year ago. Of course, I suppose that the rules may be in a state of flux. I had never heard that a disability was necessary for reimbursement. I had heard something about you needing to have an income in the poverty range or lower. I had heard that if you simply have any other type of health insurance, including Medicare they will not entertain your claim whether the other insurance pays partially or not at all. Medicare is also tricky… Read more »
Lem
Lem
If you sign up for VA Health care and are eligible that is all you need under the ACA unless your employer provides insurance. No means test for emergencies but if you are not “Medicaid” eligible under the ACA there may be a copay. So, yes rules are constantly being rewritten under the ACA in the VA regulations. The ACA is the law and 38 CFR is its interpretation for veterans. The law is fixed and the regulations are subject to Reaganesc “pen” changes. Executive orders. There is some limit to deviation from code (the law) but you have to… Read more »
Jo3n

I had a service connected heart attack, with complications. On second there, I told woman who talked insurance, I wanted the fee service or choice card. I still owe. I was incapacitated for five days. No family, and friends don’t live close and didn’t know. I’m just saying, there’s a lot of Veterans like me, that can’t get things done are their time. It takes them months to pay, and somehow I’ve got 72 hours.

Ex va
Ex va
Glad you are doing better Benjamin Krause. I am also thankful you were not stuck with an expensive er bill. I do not understand how the va is allowed to bill a Veterans insurance for service connective injuries and illnesses. One of the first things they ask a Veteran in registration is if they have insurance and the insurance billing begins. If a Veteran who has service connected PTSD and receives therapy at the va the va bills his/her insurance. How is this possible? The va is looking to get out of paying for a Veterans service connected injuries any… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Exva, in my case, they first claimed they were allowed to bill my insurance. When I questioned how they could bill for service connected conditions, they claimed a UMR nurse missed it in my records. When it continued, they said it was my fault for making sure it was coded properly. Then they changed their excuse to blaming the provider for not coding it properly. When I said it happened in different clinics, they said it was because the billing was consolidated with another state.

It was just excuse after excuse.

Ex va
Ex va

@91Veteran, so a Veteran is now responsible for the correct code for billing? I guess we might as well write our own progress notes put it under the correct cpt code and make sure the provider signs off on it. LOL!!!

And I do not know how they get away with sharing our insurance information.

The va medical center i worked at billed private insurance all the time for a Veterans service connected problems. They believe they are entitled to that money regardless.

You are right it is always an excuse after any excuse will do.

Lem
Lem

The ER has financial counselor has 72 hours from the time he/she has obtained the information about your payment resources. Because of the wait time from the VA they often try to get it directly from you if you have the resources without pursuing your “VA ACA” insurance the way they would for a Medicare recipient.

Robert
Hi brothers and sisters , sorry for the troubles that happens from outside health care due to not wanting to work with the PAYMENT ISSUES OWED TO THEM BY THE V A on our behalfs. I live one and a half hours from the closest V A hospital, on March of 2017 afternoon im hurting bad. I have a pacemaker with a defibrillator. My CARDIOLOGIST is a civilian Doctor, the hospital preferred by him because of being best equipped with medical machinery and technology he likes is where I’m taken to. The next thing I know my cardiologist is standing… Read more »
James Gallegos
So they thought you were crazy and shipped you off. They decided your actions were from the reaction to some medication they gave you. Wonder why they did not think of this before they sent you. Medication works different on different people and you had an adverse reaction. What do your hospital record’s state from the psy unit. You may want to check and get copies. The VA can use this against you, if you should raise your voice. One only has to go on YouTube and watch people that have been to the dentist and certain medication given. Many… Read more »
FLB
FLB

I always tell those that want to listen, be it veterans or anyone else. If it’s important, especially health records, make copies. I have and will continue to do the same always.

James Gallegos

It’s always a good idea. Who knows who is getting into your record’s and changing things.

You copy against theirs.

Jo3n

Veteran Friendly, so many situations where the VA is involved in my life. Year after year and still the same. Some days good. Honestly, I liked that Vermont Veteran, where hospitals took Veterans and Civilians, and treated both. Sounds good to me. But, the only VA hospital I ever heard did that is that one.

Dennis
Dennis
Lolz Ben, I am glad to hear your outcome was good! I chuckled because your ER visit was reported at $6000. Hehe, my last ER visit that VA refused to pay, and SSDI refused to pay initially was $102,000. Let me tell you that when I get a bill for several hundred I do not owe it pisses me off. When I get a bill for $102,000 it just made me laugh! Who the hell even sends such a bill! it took a social worker 25 minutes on the phone with SSDI from my living room to correct the problem.… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

the health care problem was simply a matter of apportioning insurance coverage. That is what the stage magicians call misdirection. Any way you cut the dynamics of health insurance, as practiced in the USA these days, it is nothing but racketeering, literally a conspiracy between informed players to swindle uninformed “patients.” The debate in congress (and the news media) is just about who gets to be swindled.

Dennis
Dennis

@OLDMARINE

Indeed, there is only one thing they EVER debate in Congress as you pointed out – who gets to be swindled… Nice observation and true.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Some Explanations for the High Cost of Medical Care – – – Besides the swindling tactics used by the House and Senate crews, I was thinking of how Evidence/Experienced-Based Medicine’s pros and cons has either added or subtracted from the high cost of medical care, and the possible extra costs due to correlation(s) between over providing of unnecessary medical tests and the efficiency of diagnosing medical ailments. And the following effects on medical costs due to . . . [1] the markup of hospital supplies that a patient is responsible for paying, [2] out-of-network or specialized Physician costs, [3] deductible… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy

Old – The VA and to a large extent, Medicare, are deliberately mismanaged in order to illuminate a perpetual failure of a single payer system. Pig Pharma and Pig Med are forever the prime beneficiaries. I’ve seen first hand the British, German, and Aussie single payer system. They work just fine without the trauma to national treasure — or patients.

Lem
Lem

As does Japan’s, Windguy. The number 1 or 2, at least in the top 10 WHO ratings for the past 10 years.

At 37th the US last in the 19 “Industrialized countries” is below 18 “Third World Countries” in the WHO (World Health Organization) ratings. Look them up. See where we stand in % of centurions, live births, babies living to be 1 year old, quality of life after 75, after 85, after 90.

And compare to where most of the veterans on this thread are.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Windguy, @OLDMARINE, @Lem, @Dennis – – – Oh don’t let us ever to count out BIG InSuraU if can pay for it. The Big’s and American Public don’t care about Veterans unless the their livelihood is effected, and the VA, well that’s an issue that the Man with the Light Orange Tinted Hair, and who talked up the hype bout taking care of Veterans during the Presidential Campaign, and a bit afterwards, but now, where’s the Donald? Donny, Donny, where are you Donny?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
A Little Off Topic – – – On Friday, May 5, 2017, I tried to contact Congressman Paul Ryan’s Offices; three [3] in Ryan’s home State of Wisconsin, and his office in DC. It was my intention to leave a message that pertained to TrumpCare. Phone lines in Ryan’s Wisconsin offices were all busy, and the Washington, DC office’s voicemail box was completely filled. And, Ryan’s official website doesn’t list an email address for Citizens that live out of his State Congressional District. I’m not surprised. I’m also not surprised that most Republican Congressmen, like Democratic Congressmen, didn’t even read… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
The individuals we elect are of normal intelligence. No human of normal intelligence could possibly read the millions of words published in the form of proposed laws that they will be asked to cast a vote or abstain. This is precisely the leverage that corruption needs to seed itself and flourish. This is also therefor to institute a Constitutional Republic which tends to give the most power to the most local folks. Imagine the VA, for instance, if they were governed by the State when their doctors practiced in the State? By placing the most local authorities next to the… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dennis – – – Agreed. This is what created the power of this monster against Veterans; the VA. Needs to be tamed down and domesticated.

namnibor
namnibor

We either need an entire squadron of poop canons or we are beyond even the mother of all poop canon’s mercy at this point?

I’m still thinking giving the poop canons a go. Certainly cannot make a bigger mess. The problem we risk is, they may just love it…like throwing mud and pearls to swine. 🙂

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Is anyone having trouble getting on Utube?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – – – You Tube seems to be working fine on my end. – – – Nutter.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Yea, my phone just took a crap. Had to get another one.
Taking time to learn about the new one!

James Gallegos

Yes they want you to get the new version and want you to agree to their rules. Did not read them all.

They are forcing people who do not want the new version to wait 30 seconds before you can look at something else.

Don’t know for sure. But if you keep waiting long enough you will stay on the old version.

Lem
Lem
About Single Payer, the solution: PART OF THE ANSWER TO THE HEALTH CARE PROBLEM (The below plan was presented to David Cutler as an evolutionary plan not a revolutionary plan. It is essentially an Accountable Care solution that is in trial in the ACA but the contracts, like Choice, have been given to mega medical corporations leaving the real choice out and ELIMINATING CHOICE AND COMPETITION THROUGH MONOPOLIES. It should cover MEDICAID and should be open to anyone who doesn’t have insurance on a means basis the way the “single payer” plan is in Japan. It should also be an… Read more »
Lem
Lem
No type of current medical provider would be blocked out of being a contractor or subcontractor. If an insurance company using fee based medicine could achieve profitable results and meet the morbidity and consumer satisfaction standards they could bid on a contract. The patient however, must be exempt from filling out claim forms other than signing a certification that the care was received. It is unlikely that an insurance company could obtain a competively basis bid contract because of their added costs of claim administration and a requirement that they pay all claims. Anyone who is satisfied with their present… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Too long and had to be continued in multiple posts. Hope some of you take the time to read it.

Lem
Lem
In 1965, while working a part time night shift in a local Catholic hospital in Waukegan, IL near the Great Lakes Naval Hospital, a conversation between two physicians in the canteen late at night was overheard. They had apparently just finished with an emergency cesarean. One was saying to the other, on that late spring night, that he had seen a boat at a local marine sales that he just had to have, but didn’t have enough for a down payment. “Would you believe it,” he said, “3 hysterectomies walked into my office on Monday.” One must question how many… Read more »
Lem
Lem

The roll out of the Accountable Care Plan at the VA was a serious problem. A lack of accounting controls led to a gaming of the system and the bonuses were weighted too heavily on upper management.

Lem
Lem

Also the Kyosk has no exit entry or quiz about your satisfaction with the care you received. A biggie to get better for less.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – – – I understand what you’re saying, but there is a major problem with the average American even understanding the makeup of a single payers plan, let alone any plan for the matter. The Big InSuraU Boys makes insurance purchasing complex. – – – The Nutter.

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@Ex VA: Ex you still awake?

Ex va
Ex va

@-.-. .—, Are you still up?

Lily
Lily

Does it matter if you go to a private ER or do you have to go to a county ER?

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@Lily: Any ER Lily.

Lily
Lily

Thanks, my County ER is a lot worse than our community ER. I think medicare is forced to go to county ER. So this means the VA is doing something right by letting vets avoid the county ER.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
To All – Updates on PC Repairs – – – I wanted to inform you that my PC seems to be running properly. I still need to inspect many files for completeness. I hope that who ever creates these cyber-weaponry destructing viruses, robots, malware, or those that implement such items that intrude, invade, or to cause damage like what happened to me, that they are caught, and punished to the full extent of the law. I know that this can be a tall order to hope for. But hey, I believe that those who continually do things that causes turmoil,… Read more »
Lily
Lily

Try Firefox, put cache to 0 MB and don’t record history. Use noscript and Zenamate vpn.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lily – Thank you for the input. It get a little confusing since Microsoft has Internet Explorer, and Edge for browsers. I’ve used Firefox before, I will review it after I eat ganga brownies.

Prescription Question – – – Does anyone know that if a Private Sector Physician makes out a script for a Veteran, is the VA obligated to fill the script or not? – – – Thanks, Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lily – – – No, I’m changing my reviewing protocol when trying Firefox. I will deliver the cannabinoids via pulmonary method, the to satisfy my munchies, I will indulge in eating homemade thin crusted pizza made in a wood fired oven. The first time I had these types of pizza was when I was in Italy. I sure miss that place, only for visiting though.

Dennis
Dennis

Do the little cannibinoids eat each other?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Dennis – – – Oh yes they do eat each other! Nowadays, you have to closely watch them because some people will help themselves. Mama fills my cannabinoid cookie jar on a daily basis. She creates two flavors [Sativa and Indica], but you must keep in mind that there are many strains or variations of each main group. To make sure you get the best ones, you must keep your eyes open for certain nugget characteristics; compact, sticky, have no morsels inside, and coated with crystals fine flaky sugar. And the smell. Well my, my. Especially the ones that give… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Repost – VA Prescription Question – – – If a Private Sector Physician makes out a script for a Veteran, is the VA obligated to fill the prescription if it is on the VA’s formulary? What about the medication is not listed on VA’s formulary. Looking for loopholes in the crooked and corrupted system. Your help is appreciated. – – – Thank you, Nutter.

figure8fan
figure8fan
ANutterVet, This is from the VA Website: Filling Prescriptions from Non-VA Providers: VA will provide medications that are prescribed by VA providers in conjunction with VA medical care. Medications are prescribed from an approved list of medications called a formulary. VA will fill prescriptions prescribed by a non-VA provider only if all of the following criteria are met: •You are enrolled in VA health benefits •You have an assigned Primary Care Provider •Your have provided your VA health care provider with your medical records from your non-VA provider •Your VA health care provider agrees with the medication prescribed by your… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Health Benefits of Essiac Tea “earthclinic.com”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE- Thanks pops for the link. Earth Clinic is easily laid out for smooth searching. Tips for pets too. – – – Nutter

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE- Reviewed the site more thoroughly, and I’ve decided to add Earth Clinic to my Alternative-Natural Health Cure files. I even searched for recent controversial medical terms, and Earth Clinic provided the latest informative links on the subjects. Now I’m going to search for natural cures for K9 ailments. Thanks again. – – – Nutter

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

always glad to help …. i have tried a lot of off the wall crazy remedies i have read, on myself first and if it helps i try passing it along…after i got my kidney taken out i sat here for 2 years reading everything from a to z couldn’t do anything else… i like reading about people that beat cancer that even try strapping a magnet to their tumor to see if that helps might sound crazy but if it works for you, go for it,,,LOL have a great day….but diet is everything and no sugar=0

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@OLDMARINE- Sugar addiction is a big problem, especially in the US. We’ve been using stevia for over 10 years, even before the big food companies started to market stevia in its many mixed forms with other types of sugars. Sugar feeds Candida albicans; a yeast infection that is undiagnosed in the US. Most Physicians think that it is mainly a female issue, and their treatment modalities are questionable as well. The VA is lacking in the understanding of how to correctly determine if one has a C. albicans infection. I had the VA do a blood test to determine if… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I bought one of these and haven’t been sick yet. i clip the alligator clips straight to the skin on my wrist…it might sting for a while but what the hell is a little pain,,,,,.”http://dragonfly75.com”……..i dont even use stevia water-water-water with the proper PH content

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@figure8fan- Agree. The VA don’t like giving up control. The VA also doesn’t believe in the less invasive operations provided by Laser Spine Institute [LSI], because some procedures aren’t FDA approved. Hmm, I shall we believe that the FDA is always right? Watch the late night tv commercials where Attorneys are taking Pharmaceutical cases. I’ve personally seen individuals that had surgeries performed by LSI. VA tries to always keep their hands locked onto you. Dirty hanta virus carrying quacks.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Disregard grammar mistakes. Its early afternoon, and I’m still pulling things together.

namnibor
namnibor

I’m always still pulling things together and by the end of the day it’s usually a big knot. 🙂

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Regarding several ongoing Negative SEO attacks against “DisabledVeterans.org”. After recently noticing the reposting of another commenter’s comment to several sites with BackLinks to this site I began looking into the problem. I found that there are several, ongoing, Negative SEO campaigns attacking this site which have caused a number of articles to be delisted from the search engine Google. Also the attacks have caused this sites ranking to be lowered by the search engine. One of the Negative SEO campaigns is also attacking other Veteran centric sites such as “HadIt.com” and other Veteran centric sites. Another Negative SEO campaign against… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@Seymore Klearly- Great sleuthing on the hacks, and that Meshkin Mess. Yet another little gift from the VA that will no doubt keep nipping Veterans in the ass in coming years. No PC issues or otherwise on this end, but also am well-protected as one can and should be, but nothing is impenetrable 100% these days and reason the VA is worse agency to even hope that they will or have taken appropriate measures to protect our info…AND…keep-up constantly with the needed updates to such measures. I have seen how the search engine is skewed with google and not a… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – Thanks for backing us up. And, I’ll second your comment, “Meshkin, that Rat Bastard.”

James Gallegos

Thanks for your comments, so they are running scared and are not attacking veterans on this and other sites.

Veterans are only a hurtle for the VA and of no concern. We are not people, they have made us the enemy.

What do you do to your enemy, attack and they don’t care who they hurt or how.

Is this against any law’s ! If so Ben and other’s should blast them back and let the public knows what they are doing.

WE know VA employees are exposed and retaliation is their MO !

James Gallegos

Are attacking correction

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