Veterans Affairs Awards $19 Million Contract To DSS For Mobile App

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VA Mobile App Scheduling

This week, VA announced it awarded a new vendor contract to create a faster mobile app to help veterans schedule medical appointments. The contract is worth $19 million.

Under the Faster Care for Veterans Act of 2016, the $19 million contract was awarded to Document Storage Systems, Inc (DSS). That law requires new access improvements not previously available through existing technologies.

Does anyone find it interesting it took Congress to create a law for VA to now implement yet another new appointment scheduling fix?

About The Agreement

The agreement is part of an 18-month trial run at three or more Veterans Integrated Service Networks (VISNs). The app will allow veterans to schedule and confirm health care appointments using a mobile device like a cell phone or tablet.

RELATED: Contractor DSS To Fix Non-VA Fee Basis Claims System For Free?

If it works, the app will help bypass the sometimes ridiculous phone wait times plaguing VA call centers for decades.

“The VA is making critical improvements to Veteran health care, and will always look to leverage innovative tools that will put more capabilities in the hands of Veterans,” said VA Secretary Dr. David J. Shulkin. “ Self-scheduling apps are widely used in the private sector and will help create a better experience for Veterans and their medical-care providers.”

VA does already have an app available at 99 sites, which also has many of the key capabilities required by the Act. That older app is called VA’s Mobile Veterans Appointment Request (VAR) app. VA will continue to develop that app to incorporate new capabilities.

VA Repeats Failure To Fix Scheduling

Of course, these new apps are the result of “VA’s scheduling system betrayal” of taxpayers and veterans leading up to the wait time scandal initially cited at Phoenix VA.

For years before, VA was toying with various options and spending hundreds of millions on solutions that did not protect veterans from criminal VA employees who rigged the system to show better performance data than really existed. Veterans died while waiting for care as a result of the scheme that went largely unpunished.

One commenter to an op-ed published in the IT publication MeriTalk said VA spent well over the $6 million budgeted for the VAR app that initially went into production in 2013, calling the entire project “putting lipstick on a pig” while doing nothing to improve veterans’ access to health care:

It is too bad that all of your facts are completely wrong. You apparently read a book from the 1980’s to write your slanted dissertation. The solution being implemented by VA is lipstick on a pig and does absolutely nothing to enhance a Veterans Access to Care. The same invisible appointment slots that exist in VistA today, are still going to be invisible with the new interfaces that are being deployed as part of VSE. Secondly, the Veteran Appointment Request mobile application is simply a way for Veterans to request an appointment. It is the same, protracted, waiting list that Veterans endure today. Epic’s Cadence Scheduling system leverages the extreme performance of the Cache database, one of the fastest DB’s in existence, and feature rich web and mobile user interfaces, along with business-rules driven appointment scheduling to fill every available appointment slot within the Medical Center or CBOC, and further enhances access to care by searching across facilities to provide appointments in locations across VA. Something that VSE/VAR & VistA cannot do today. At the end of the day, there is little efficiency and enhanced visibility in VA’s custom solution. I would also like to point out that VA has spent far in excess of $6M to build VSE/VAR to date, and the $152M to pilot Epic’s Cadence is an order of magnitude higher than the price proposed for the pilot.

Is The Fix In? Or Will DSS Fix The Problem?

All in, what do you think the odds are that DSS will be able to pull this one off where previous contractors were paid millions but failed?

Will veterans get something that works, or will we get stuck with little more than a blank screen like the iPhone in this article’s photo?

Source: https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2906

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cj
cj

19 Million for a fucking app!!! For you gi Joe? No fucking claim, DENIED!!!!!!
NEXT!!!!!!

cj
cj

Can’t wait to hand out millions to make no fucking difference. For you giJoe? We make you wait your entire life!!!! Back in line for you!!!!!

cj
cj

AFGE/SES is really gonna love this new app. They are more unaccountable than ever…….. They can now claim the wait times, and delays are the apps fault!!!!

James Gallegos
Maybe they are making veterans do their job’s for them or this is so you can make an appointment to see a clerk to make an appointment. Since the veterans are now working for the VA are we going to get paid, is the union going to defend us. I want a nice chair, desk an office with a view and phone and computer. My son just told me at our local clinic they have a person sitting at the window and when he said be was there for an appointment, she told him to use the machine a foot… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

The sooner they flush the toilet and get rid of the VA and put the money into reimbursement of REAL doctors’ fees for veterans care at private facilities and get rid of the corrupt unions the better.
Private attorneys can adjudicate compensation and pension awards without all of the billions of wasted money on the buildings and bureaucracy.

James Gallegos

Agree. Seems other’s would have figured thus out by now.

I been through a closure and I maybe wrong but I think you may have been ? !

Wait and see !

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve – – – I could NOT agree more. And Veterans will be allowed access to an attorney, nay – – – encouraged to get one IMMEDIATELY upon their registration with the VA.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

choice is a second class medical care because they only pay medicare fees and not what most doctors charge, GET IT? you get to see doctors who need the medicare payments not doctors who are 5 star caregivers.
WAKE UP MY FELLOW WARRIORS, SECOND CLASS IS BEHIND WHAT THE ILLEGALS RECEIVE IN MEDICAL CARE

James Gallegos

Is it any worse that our only choice ! I like my choice physician.

I feel at ease. ! That’s says a lot. !

cj
cj

@James Gallegos,Your right!! I forgot about those stupid kioks, I hate those damn things. And right again, they sit on their fat asses, and point to the kiosk. So……. what are they getting paid for again? Fuck!!!! I need to start a new business. We offer seats to veterans, on a bus to go on a field trip, to run over AFGE/SES workers. It will be a hit right behind hand grenade catch.

Later Gators.

VAISLYING INC

SAME SHIT DIFFERENT DAY VETS SCREWED AGIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

figure8fan
figure8fan
My former PCP (before she was my former) wanted me to be seen by Ortho. VA Othro could not see me until mid-May. My PCP put me in for the choice program on March 15. The choice people stated it was for the right knee only. My former PCP put right knee only after we discussed that it should be both knees. I had told her my left knee was hurting more. I told them it was to be for both knees so they returned it to the VA. This was also the time that I received my “flag” in… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

figure8fan, don’t be so quick to give the Choice Champion any good vibes until you’ve blue buttoned & read what they put in your file – they lie too. Sounds just like what they’ve done to me. This delay, delay & hope you go away has me wondering how many other VA’s other than Palo Alto are using ‘special’ needs high school kids to do work at the VA for them. Wait until they start billing you because VA don’t pay them Choice Providers.

figure8fan
figure8fan
NiteWish, I was referring to the choice people I talked to on the phone. I asked them what the consult stated and they told me on the first consult “right knee” on the second “nothing is stated. Only that it is good for up to 20 visits. You may be right if the Choice Champion is in the VA. I have a very good feeling it was my PCP. I had just sent several things via secure messaging to prove some things. After that is when i got the flag in my records. I am sure she did nothing on… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

f8f I talked to them on the phone & took notes & PCP by email each blamed the other for the delay & each covered their ass in my record to make me look bad. Choice sets the appointments with the outside doctors, they lied to you. Being slightly paranoid I’d bet some secret mark was put in my file to delay the payments just to ‘get even’.

Choice is so well informed their provider website is still listing a Choice anesthesiology & pain management Provider that was arrested for fraud & other charges last month.

James Gallegos

Better think again, if it was not your pcp, then it was the person who got mad at you for saying what you said about your care giver.

This is just another example of the VA misusing the so called disruptive committee.

Its a catch all to teach veterans for speaking.

figure8fan
figure8fan
James, It was my (former) PCP. The person I talked to that got mad was in May, The delay started shortly after March 15. My PCP at that time was not happy with me because I had caught her lying to me at out last appointment and I had sent her e-mails and proved her wrong. After that I asked her why the consult was not what we had discussed and if she would correct it so I could be seen. Her response was to help with the flag, get me a new provider, and to ban me from the… Read more »
James Gallegos
It does not matter who did this to you. The fact that they reported you is wrong. DoD you deserve this flag.? If not don’t try and justify it for them. This illegal act will following you for ever. You think it’s s one time and deal. ! Nope it opens the door for more abuse. Each time you say something someone can see the flag and you will forever be looked at as a threat or possible threat. Again DoD you deserve the flag. The damage is done, if you ever have to go to court this is evidence… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
James you are a good soldier but this veteran needs to push the envelope and sue this boob who put the red flag in and identify other veterans who have been similarly damaged. This Poop has been going on way too long and it is time for us to ruin the “professional reputation’, (as it is), of these boobs. I set one ‘psychologist’ up and she swallowed the whole bait, but I didn’t have the heart to yank her credentials, but looking back I should have when she came to the defense of the corrupt boobecrat I got fired.
James Gallegos

Yes indeed. ! No retirement, repay bonus money and at least 18 month’s with big bubba or ms bubba.

Look up criminal libel ! Class 6 felony. !

NiteWish
NiteWish

James G, That’s no different than the police officer who shoots & kills because they’re being trained IF you hesitate your dead. When it goes to review or court by pleading I was in fear of my life, its accepted as a valid defense probably masterminded by the Union(s)

figure8fan
figure8fan
James, my posting is not about my flag, it is about the amount of time it has taken to get an appointment for care. I was explaining that the flag came at the same time. The flag was not a result of this action, they were happening at the same time. I am not justifying the flag as it was for what I had explained with the post. I had previously caught her in some lies during an appointment previous to the outside care thing happening. I am sorry if this came off as it was about the flag: it… Read more »
James Gallegos
Sabatoge veterans want choice, ok we will give you a choice on our terms. Make errors on purpose to hinder your choice. The veterans try and try to notify them of the mistakes. You have just been deemed disruptive. ! S person can only take so much until their tone of voice raises a notch and this is disruptive because you keep calling. The VA hates veterans whom want a choice and are retaliating against the veterans.. Choice to them is the veterans not being happy with their current treatment or the way they are being treated. So they do… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

James Gallegos Yes Well spoken!

Timothy L Coffey
Timothy L Coffey

Should all be on Ebenfits website, not scattered. They also need to put an appeal site on Ebenfits, One stop shopping.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Seriously. How fucking hard would it be to create a mobile version of that, with secure email right to your PCP requesting the appointment?

This is nothing more than millions shoveled at a crony.

While a veteran gets a denial letter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Timothy L Coffey AGREED ,,its about as stupid as owning several cars and you can only drive one at a time but they all need maintenance to function properly. just another place to waste our tax dollars … fuck the VA. and FUCK the worthless politicians. fucking greedy bastards when is enough . enough ….I’d like to stick my shotgun up there pedophile ass and pull the fucking trigger, then i wouldn’t mind going to hell….LOL at least they would beat me there

namnibor
namnibor

You can’t fix stupid. “Stupid is, what stupid may at the VA”. An App will just guarantee more future $$$ is thrown at it to keep it up to date, meanwhile, it will later to be found only for the VA employees to be benefiting from the App because they were all along Veteran Vicinity Tracking AVA employees could hit that big red button to activate and cause the Veteran in vicinity’s phone battery to explode and catch the Veteran on fire.
Okay, *maybe* a bit over the top, but I stand behind…”You can’t fix stupid”.

Joe
Joe
Has nothing to do with stupid…some politician or their friend is making this money…so some politicians voted for their contractor to make 19 million…the vets can starve for all they care beyond election day…they did the same with the choice program that 4 billion went to the contractors that were doing the evaluations for vet intake..they then just got it to do nothing much apparently….one was a boeing offshoot contractor…so vets still waiting…still getting some bad care and same bad doctors they get the illusion that somebody cares and politicians and their friends get the money…are you really surprised…follow this… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Oh, there’s a good helping of stupid going on.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
The VA is broken beyond repair and the boobecrats and the corrupt federal union officials do not want to let go of their siphon off of the federal budget and money which never, ever benefits the veterans. The VA is a hoax and needs to be trashed and veterans need to be able to go to private doctors who are five star rated instead of the trash clinics that the “choice” boobeaucracy refers veterans to. Are you crazy, veterans, the choice program only refers veterans to doctors who will accept just medicare payments, doctors who are not highly rated or… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Lipstick on a pig? Yes, it is for sure pork.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Even a pig will treat you decently if you feed it enough garbage, the VA is broken, my fellow warriors, time to storm the Bastille,

Rich B
Rich B

What a waste of taxpayer money… and shit I don’t even use a cell phone..

James Gallegos
There l lies s problem for a lot of veterans that unable to use or have a divice. Land line only, his do they make an appointment. What are the telephone and schedulers going to be doing. Less human contact, a little more obscure we become. Benefits whom. ! Veteran’s making their own appointments and they have a machine in the clinic’s where you can check in with you VA card. This alone should eliminate all the staff in administration, don’t need any schedulers or check in clerks. Just make an appointment, scan your card have a seat and wait… Read more »
Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

I think your on to something there. I hate those things too. After you use it they just tell you to have a seat. I think the machine can tell you that. Now I tell them my card doesn’t work for some reason. Now they get pissed because they have to punch a few more buttons. I think the chimp unemployment rate is high.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

They are thieves and incompetents they will kill you one way or another.
Can you imagine appointing someone with a “Doctor in Education” to be the head of the Psychologists and Psychiatrists in a VAMC,, Yep, Yep, they are that incompetent and evil. Cast not thy fate before fools.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Published a long comment that may have disappeared into the ether – – – not sure why. Will give a few hours, then publish again if I do not see it. Hands.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Wow! I see it! Cool . . .

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Well, I thought I did – – – now gone again.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

I see. Awaiting moderation. Whoops! Stuck an e-mail address in there. I have zero objection if that e-mail published. My life is an “open book”.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Hopefully some disgruntled mentally injured veteran still has his M-60 and quite a few belts of ammo left and will go to the top of this evil quagmire.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve – – – I should be so lucky. BTW, I love your handle. Slight modification of the old Fibber McGee and Molly character. Awesome!

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Tanks, “kid” I didn’t think anyone would remember the Great Gildersleeve, and his laugh…..
One of the many wholesome programs on the radio when I was just a ‘whippersnapper”

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve – – – Been a radio guy all my life! Listened to them, Built them, Had an Amateur Radio (HAM) Operators License in the late ’70’s, worked MARS both ashore and afloat. Still listen to Shortwave today when propagation allows .

Radio has been the one enjoyable constant in my life.

Dave F
Dave F

The longer they delay the inevitable, the longer veterans will die. Give them care cards to go to the doctor/hospital of their choice. Any other action is the planned genocide of Veterans!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Another form of VA Health Care Terrorism. Still the same anyway you cut it. Moink, moink, moink, . . . money machine. Where’s my MMJ. Shootz. – – – Nutter.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@ANutterVet – – – Love the term! But more accurately, it would be “VA Veteran Care Terrorism”. Because the VHA and VBA are supposed to work together to ensure the needs of America’s veterans are met.

Whoops! Did I say work together? From what I have observed, neither works at all. Never mind working together for the veteran . . .

VA Veteran Care Terrorism is precisely what it is.

A Hui Hou!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Looks like veterans and taxpayers get the “royal shaft” again!
So, what else is new!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
Here is my earlier comment. I Have removed the e-mail address. Although, it does seem to me that doing so weakens the post considerably: Good article, Ben. Yes, it is “interesting” that Congress had to create another law in order for the VA to implement a scheduling fix. Since the VA seems quite disinterested in following existing law – – – we all know already how this one is going to play out. ““The VA is making critical improvements to Veteran health care, and will always look to leverage innovative tools that will put more capabilities in the hands of… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

Learned a new word today:
Profligate = recklessly extravagant or wasteful in the use of resources. ie. Dept of Veteran Affairs Appointment Request Mobile App, the same, protracted, waiting list that Veterans tolerate today. Profligate.

cj
cj

@NiteWish: I like that new word, it ..sings. I will use it all this next week, to burn it into memory. Your still on fire. 🙂

Jo3n

When I go to the VA, I look around, talk to a few. Most don’t have computers, and maybe 1 out of 7 have smart phones. I totally agree to follow this 19million. I’m guessing though, they aren’t targeting most Veterans. Only the Veterans on a blog. Them crooks are good. Who’s suggesting all this crap? I haven’t heard a thing that helps Veterans since……….? And the beat goes on…….

Angela
Angela

Yep, just wasting more taxpayer dollars and still no implementation of quality improvements to the actual healthcare with the diagnosing and the medical treating to enhance the recovery and to promote the healing to a more healthier life. More wasteful spending just like the Democrats with their constant investigations of false conspiracies. Wrong priorities exist with these so called leaders. Financial accountability, medical accountability, ethicallity, and humaneness should be the priorities. VA is not focused on the substance of why the VA exists. Substantive quality medical care to veterans.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@Angela – – – It is NOT just the Democrats. Corruption, Stupidity, and indifference know no political nor social boundaries. Just like racism. You cannot be “only a little bit racist”. You are either racist, or you are not. In the same vein – – – you can not be “only 25% corrupt”. You either are corrupt, or you are not. I was raised (due to parents divorce) in a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-religion family. What that taught me was that we are more far alike than different. There are corrupt Democrats. There are corrupt Republicans. There are corrupt Civil Service… Read more »
cj
cj

@Disgruntled Veteran, Exactly DV. I have only one request of you…..stop making sense.
LOL Just kidding.

Angela
Angela
@Disgruntled Veteran, Not sure what you are trying to tell me. I agree with everything you have said. The point that I was getting to is the VA has not put 100% focus where it is supposed to lie. I speaking about accountable quality care without medical errors and without causing the death of a veteran. My message was about accountability all the way from financial, Medical, etc. Competence. Yes, I do agree with you about a veteran should not be hung out to dry because of an error on a claim or whatever the case. Yes, many Veterans do… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

VA do something extra, Not My Job. Last year I sent for my medical records –hard copy- to the wrong place, got a letter back saying “in attempting to comply w/your request we found that you have never been seen at this facility. You need to submit your request to Palo Alto.” Ok then, how about giving me the correct address in your letter thank you very much for nothing.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
What you vets don’t understand is that the VA consciously plays dumb in order to frustrate you efforts to get care and compensation for service connected injuries/maladies. I caught them at it , really and then the Director of the Regional Office spilled the beans and admitted to me that I was absolutely correct in my allegations. I have had them tell me that I had no right to go into the Board of Veterans Affairs or the Court of Veterans Appeals, (after I explained the error of their ways they grudgingly let me in). I have seen lies, incompetence,… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve, oh we understand. That’s why we come here to vent & stay sane, to share good/bad, to encourage or run off the trolls. What ever is needed we attempt to provide.
The people I’ve heard are sleeping, misinformed, brainwashed, ignorant. Always have been. Perhaps with the internet the education can begin.

James Gallegos

Should ! Now many times has this word been used when speaking about the VA.

They should do s lot of things and they have that’s why we are here now.

You said should have, they will take this as you being disruptive. Your saying we made a mistake, were God’s and don’t make mistakes.

If we do make a mistake so what everyone makes a mistake. Only difference is it’s to much work to correct it.

Tommy Distefano
Tommy Distefano
It looks like everything will get better now that Big Daddy is in the White House. Nice that he is spending time with the Saudis and the Israelis. These are the two countries that have absolutely no interest at all on our survival as a nation. I know Ben is a big fan of draining the swamp and Big daddy, but it is time to admit that the cause is lost and the theories are not conspiracies. Everybody got cucked and now the swamp is infested with people who have the best interest of Israel and the rich in mind.… Read more »
cj
cj

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cj
cj

What’s the matter Tommy? Get locked up for being a good little snowflake? Whaa whaa whaa, criminal Hillary lost and her wittle Tommy snowflake is all butthurt.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Tommy Distefano – – – Your a fucking nit wit, and don’t know shit at this particular time. Your mind is still wrapped up with the wieners of NYC’s Boldest. Such audacity to come on Ben’s blog (even though your welcome to do so whether you make sense or not), were all here to help you via counseling you, in order to help you (welfare)through your traumatic deep penetrating emotional experience that you went through. Keep posting, and after a bit, you’ll get over him. Thanks. – – – Nutter.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

tommy did you have a brother, uncle or father who was killed at kesahn??

Ex va
Ex va
@tommy distefano, what crawled up your ass??? You came on this blog that is owned and operated by Benjamin Krause to insult him and the disabled veterans? You don’t understand that these benefits are earned because of an individual taking an oath to put their lives in service of the U.S.Government to defend their country and the constitution. People like you don’t have a clue of service and self sacrifice to something bigger than themselves. Some Veterans get injured or exposed to something harmful in performing their service to their country. All you can do is be angry and obnoxious… Read more »
ex va
ex va

I love the va bad art today. It pretty much sums up the article. ??!!!! Like someone said before it shows they took some action at the scheduling problem. It does not come close to solving the problem, but the va is good at wasting taxpayer monies on things that don’t work like the afge!!!! LOL!??????????……..???

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

(Off Topic) @Ex va – – – I have recently began saving “Big Ben’s Bad VA Art” to my photo library. While Big Ben is one serious taskmaster when it comes to his investigations, and advocacy – – – I find his choices of artwork to be quite humorous. Worth some hard drive space.

Hope this finds you and all the other regulars well. Got a lot to do in a short time. Will see you folks sometime early next week.

Ex va
Ex va

@Disgruntled Veteran, i really like some of Ben’s bad va art too. Lol! I need to start saving it too. Helps me keep laughing. Hope you have a great weekend!! Take care and talk next week.

cj
cj

@Ex va, Ex, hows you?

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, you still on?

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
There is nothing that can be REPAIRED in/at the VA. The VA is so corrupt and full of incompetent bureaucrats and the esprit de corps is non existent. The VA hires only foreign doctors because our own native doctors are so much in debt they cannot afford to work at the VA. There is an attitude throughout the VA that veterans applying for benefits such as compensation should be defeated in their efforts to secure these benefits. Executives who cause the death of veterans are never prosecuted. The VA is a half ass race horse with three broken legs. The… Read more »
cj
cj

Okay folks, have a great weekend, God Bless you all.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, sorry missed you. Have a great weekend Ben’s world. God bless you all!

Jo3n

This bill was supposed to be laid out to the public/congress, in mid February. Then, open bidding. Why are we getting blindsided? How many other bills are out there? How do I keep up with this SHIT?.?. It was written specifically for this reason. It’s a stupid bill.

91Veteran
91Veteran

$19 million for little more than a glorified email app.

$19 million that would not need to be spent if clinics would answer their fucking phones, and those AFGE thugs that only care about quality health care for veterans were not gaming the system.

$19 million that could go to hiring some of those 45,000 hacks the AFGE were whining about.

Little Cox should realize he’s getting peanuts while connected crony’s are making millions.

…and the veteran that this money is supposed to help is forgotten about…

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Off Topic Weekend – – – [1] The VA System will not undergo any major changes that deals with reforming or re-organizing health care and/or claims filing processes. Making extreme changes in the VA system isn’t a priority to our Elected Officials, VSO’s, AFGE, or the American public. [2] Due to the downright hate of President Trump, the united front of the Democrats along with some Republicans, and the Main Stream Media [MSM], they will continually keep the political pressure on POTUS until his election term(s) end, or if and when they succeed in removing the President from office. [3]… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Hey Anutter Vet you are absolutely right; If they left FOUR OF OUR BROTHERS IN THE DESERT OF BEN GHAZI TO DIE WHILE THE SECRETARY OF STATE WAS GIGGLING WITH HER BASTARD DAUGHTER OVER THE PHONE AND OUR “PRESIDENT” WAS PLAYING GOLF AND NOT TAKING CALLS, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THESE DEMS WILL TAKE UP THE CALL OF THE VETERANS?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
The article below, plus other items I’ve found, alienate me against Trump, once and for all, he’s just another oligarch, battling it out other oligarchs to become king of the shit house known as the US government. He’s as much a member of the 1% as the Koch brothers. If he is impeached, it’s fine with me, because there will be no longer any confusion about what forces are really in charge, no one will delusively think anymore that Trumpism and populism are in the future with a neocon like Pence in the cat bird seat. Then supporters of Trumpism… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Hey ole Marine, a word from the skipper that I haven’t seen any Republican thugs beating up old people in Berkeley or Portland or Washington, D.C. Would you rather have someone in office who left four of our brothers in the Ben Ghazi desert to die needlessly?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

thats why i voted for no one. yes trump is the lessor of two evils, but that is about it,and klillary should be in prison ….i’m just fed up with politicians they all suck

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I should have added these days democrats equal communism its as plain as day and night

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Hey, compadre, as ole Marshall McCloud used to say: ‘There you go!”

James Gallegos

Remember the Show Dallas, Well Trump is J.R. one big soap opera, better than a soap opera.

Want reality ? ! What ever happened to J.R.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Trump and His Cabinet Members Awkwardly Dancing with Swords in Saudi Arabia (New show this fall: Dancing with the Terrorists, Business Insider)

NiteWish
NiteWish

oldmarine Nice they arrived before Ramadan before all those rules kick in – like no dancing or music in public.

Angela
Angela
@Old Marine, if President Trump gets removed, this country will crash or collapse. This is the Democrat agenda for this country to become a single party country. If we think we do not have rights now in the VA, just wait until the Democrats take over, this if Trump gets removed. If Democrats take over there will be no civil rights period unless the Democratic party redirects it’s governing path. The Democratic party is to far to the left. The jobs will reverse course to the foreign countries with the continuance of the outsourcing. The Americans will not even have… Read more »
Angela
Angela
Folks, I have heard alot about the mainstream media, Medicare, Democrats, AFGE etc. I want to comment on these topics. As for Medicare, they pay for what is medically necessary, not routine. However, though, if a medical doctor believes the procedure is medically necessary, the Medicare may still not pay with disagreeing with the medical doctor. In this case, the medical doctor has to write it off as their liability. This is what I have an issue with is the government does not need to be in healthcare period unless they are past medical providers who still have their license… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Democrats, be careful what you ask for, now Bob Mueller can go anywhere his investigation takes him, wherever the facts take him so Hillary and Podesta and company you are on the spit next to be placed over the
fire. What idiots the Dems are, do not they know? (Vengeance is mine saith the Lord!)
The Dems are digging their own grave just like the victims of the Mafia are forced to do.

NiteWish
NiteWish

It will be of interest to see what the Saudi Kings give as gifts to someones’ who already have everything. Even pets get gifts to place in the National Archives. Rolex’s for everyone & fine jewels for the women. “https://www.state.gov/s/cpr/c29447.htm”

James Gallegos

No need for riches, just a few plagues saying how great he is. That’s all Donald wants, say thing’s nice about him that’s all.

Russia, knows this !

NiteWish
NiteWish

James Gallegos The giving of gifts is tradition. But where do they really go, what is the National Archives. I picture the scene from the Raiders of the Lost Ark movie at the end is a ware house full of crates full of treasure. The dragon’s hoard.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Angela – – – You have a lot to say, and I’d like to read your posts with out missing my place when reading them. Can you please use paragraphs so that it breaks up your text so that we don’t get lost, and then try to find our place. Keep posting. Thanks. – – – Nutter.

cj
cj
@Angela, and others: I have seen posted over and over again, how bad Medicare is. I can tell you first hand, I have Medicare, and a Medicare supplement. I assure you, I have some of the finest doctors available, Barr none. I don’t know where you, and others, are getting your information from, but your wrong in thinking Medicare is somehow sub standard. I pay a small deductable (160.00) each year, and all other charges are covered. You can look up the Sherman hospital healthcare system, and see, it is one of the top rated in the country. There is… Read more »
Angela
Angela
OLD Marine and all, I wanted to comment further on all these topics. I disagree with you OldMarine about President Trump. Here is why. President Trump is not even receiving a taxpayer funded salary. He is non-stop working trying his best to renew this country to success and prosperity. He is really giving back to the people and the country. His agenda is being slowed down some due to the obstructive Democrats. Also, Liberal Republicans that want to stay on recess and do care to not work like President Trump. And yes, the Democrats want to implement Socialism 100% through… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

think about this for a minute. the person or persons that know all the top secret projects going on and the final purpose of those projects what ever it may be . really runs this country not the president he’s on a need to know basis also ….and yes he works harder than OBUMMER….I am basically saying there is a shadow government running the show

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj, @Angela – – – Are you saying the with Medicare that Medical Services don’t or shouldn’t be different because you live in another State. I don’t know, but I’d think that it is the same per each State, only difference would be the availability of certain Physicians per field of practice. Or the lacking of trusted physicians. We all are aware that just because a doctor has the parchment hanging on the wall for all to see, doesn’t mean that they are good at what they were trained in. Even in Politics, look at Muffled Motor McCain; the hotshot… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
Let me tell you first impressions of VA implementing an app to schedule appointments: It is precisely the most unexpectedly right thing the VA can do, but NOT for the reasons ostensibly offered! Ben may delete any post of mine that applauds a VA program (believing of course I am an imposter) but my reasoning comes from personal experience. At VA in VISN-20 I am permanently (and illegally) banned from receiving ANY psychiatric care from ANY VA doc or counsellor. This followed my whistleblowing in the press of their psychiatric unit that named names and got two full spreads coverage… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
…well, said Columbo, there is just one more thing… This app would make it possible to solicite feedback into a national database. Simple five star assignment, post visit, assigned to EACH person involved in your treatment. Just click a star rating next to the photo of each person. Then, make absolutely certain that EVERY VA person understands they will be individually graded. What this might be tied to are bonuses or lack therof, and advancement. I mean, who could argue that five star providers should not be advanced over three star providers? Who would argue that one star providers needed… Read more »
cj
cj
@Dennis: Dennis, I am not as convinced as you. At present, the kiosk does not work for me, when I call in for an appointment, I get the “hold please, there is something wrong with my computer”. In person, I go directly to an administrator, to bypass the appointment desk. They refuse to issue a current service connected id card, they destroyed my initial service connected priority card, issued a regular id card, and lied about not having service connected priority cards any longer. Every single time I walk into a VAMC it is a problem. This new app will… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

Cj, Dennis & Others, I think I like the robot to make appts even though I don’t have a smart phone or any apps I believe for now AI can’t be programed for health care terrorism.

James Gallegos

Who is going to stop these people running the new program from selling our information to 3rd parties.

NiteWish
NiteWish

James G That really made me laugh in a sad way. I wonder what new & wonderful spam / robo / text calls will come out because it will get sold or hacked. If my phone don’t show a name when it rings I don’t answer it anymore. Spam callers never quit. I don’t even check the voice mail its all full of spam. I have only a basic cell phone & the same phone# for 30yrs or so.

James Gallegos
Devils advocate questions. Part of my disability I guess, some time’s one has to think outside the box. Can’t put anything passed them. I have watched and seen and heard to much not to think this way. One must question everything. Some don’t and just say ya that sounds good, do it. With out determing the final outcome on how it’s going to effect everyone. Veteran’s can see when something is not right, where employees think they have thought it through. Good vs a bad decision. Might sound good at the time, but in reality it’s not a good idea… Read more »
Angela
Angela

No, cj, you did not hear me correctly. Yes, I have great private sector doctors. Even if medically necessary, and even if other health care insurances pay for the procedures, Medicare may choose not to pay. This issue is not with the provider but Medicare itself with financial dependability.

cj
cj

@Angela: Still not understanding what you mean. Maybe because my supplemental picks up everything Medicare doesn’t. Not sure what point your making. Don’t get mad, some things just don’t make sense to me.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj, @Angela – – – Even when things does make sense, I sometimes still miss what is trying to be said. Shootz, Dennis, Dennis, are you going outside? How bout a fatty? – – – Nutter.

Bill
Bill

What the hell is the difference between this 19m dollar POS and a 20 dollar answering machine?

I am fed up with the mentality of just throw money at it instead of I dont know THINKING!!

Just another example of Just Other Peoples Money.

James Gallegos

Answering machine No one will listen to it. Delete button. I thought about that too and they will get back to you later or not.

Most go to answering machines now ! Now is that working. If you are thinking about killing yourself call this other number.

You call the other number, WHAT do you get an answering machine.

NO one is going to know how many veterans will die because of this New program.

Someone else said something about this. Blaming someone else. Or something else.

Angela
Angela
@ANuttervet and everyone, I will just have to go on my computer and readjust my posts if it will let me modify my initial posts. I believe my phone is messing up because it is double spacing in these posts. I will just do my posts from the computer until I get my phone squared away. And too, I do not have a Medicare supplement. I have Tricare from being retired from the Navy but if Medicare will not pay, then, Tricare will not pay at all. No, it does not matter what state anyone lives in when it comes… Read more »
cj
cj

@Angela, Agree, without a supplement policy. Medicare is shit, could easily put a veteran in the poor house. Right​ again, anything the government touches turns to shit, unless it’s for politicians.

I think you, myself, and the rest of the bloggers, not including the occasional troll, have a good handle on the shenanigans our government is up to. Keep up the good work, all of you?.

cj
cj

Damn autocorrect, I didn’t put that question mark at the end!!!

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
You cannot put a loaded rifle into the hands of a nitwit and expect him/her to help you win the battle. No amount of money will change the attitude that prevails in the VA bureaucracy, and the VA, as it exists will never serve the veterans in a way that is barely decent, despite the few dedicated health care professionals trying to swim to shore in the cesspool called the Veterans Administration, the Department of Veterans Affairs, or known by any other name. Just changing the name and ‘re-organizing” doesn’t change anything. Your toilet cannot be cleaned by taking a… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

COX has the right sounding name, he is the enemy of the veteran and someone should throw his fat ass through the plate glass window of his office and watch him bounce and roll into the fresh water of the Anacostia River. I wish some Senator with properly developed GONADS WOULD STAND UP TO THAT PHONY BASTARD WHO JUMPS TO THE AID OF EVERY VA BUREAUCRAT WHO JUST CAUSED THE DEATH OF A VETERAN AND RECEIVED A BONUS FOR IT.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

VA Veteran Care Terrorism.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

PUULLEASE, SPARE US THE BOOBECRATIC “SOLUTIONS” TO AN UNFIXABLE PROBLEM, THE VA

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve – – – I never offered a solution for the unfixable VA. Although, I do believe there is a solution, but I’m not part of the inside theme of things to offer said solution. Read the post. I call it as it is in the VA’s overall current state. Lets not forget, and I think you may have mentioned it, that it has been reported that between 20-22 Veterans commit suicide daily. VA Veteran Care Terrorism. Are the VA employees doing their best to stop this? Doing their best to stop obvious things that need change? Think… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

ANutterVet I read new suicide numbers the other day somewhere, I just jotted the numbers down & didn’t keep the link. The US has a Suicide by Despair epidemic. 44,000 people take their lives yearly divide by 365 = 120.5 a day. What % of them are Veterans I do not know, not even sure if they were counted.

figure8fan
figure8fan

NiteWish,
This was from the VA. It is about VA suicides. I call them VA assisted suicides. We go to the VA for help in that area as they are supposed to be the “Professionals”. By them not helping, they are assisting.

In 2014, Veterans accounted for 18% of all deaths from suicide among U.S.
adults, while Veterans constituted 8.5% of the US population. In 2010, Veterans
accounted for 22% of all deaths from suicide and 9.7% of the population.
f8f

NiteWish
NiteWish

f8f after some thought the 44,000 came from the local news report. My town has had 2 people [that they know of] jump off a bridge into the water this week, they haven’t found them yet, speaker said we’ve seen an increase of Suicide by Despair but google ‘Deaths of Despair’.

Jo3n
One thing is for certain: For Veterans with PTSD, The VA is absolutely wrong in their ever changing bullshit. They have become a true threat to my health. Vietnam just won’t go away.., direct result of VA apathy. Many Veterans on this site are,, or have said in one way or another, the VA isn’t going to heal. I’m sure that this organization, along with others, are stealing billions from American taxpayers. How could Shulkin not know? If he doesn’t know, how can he fix it? @Old Marine, I am old school, and faithful is more than a word. My… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Semper Fi, he knows, but he skates with each skate on a separate sidewalk

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

anutter vet
I understand, and my apoligy

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve – – – Its fine Bro, no ill feelings. Please continue to post. We need all of us to stick together as a unit. VA’s goal is to cause division and to separate us, so that there is no possible way for Veterans to pull together as a contending force to deal with. FPG, I do believe, but don’t know when, that the VA is going to cause a major fuck up in the future [one that effects the live of an important Political Figure], and things will hit the fan. I say this [maybe I’m wrong],… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

A O.K.
The VA would not want me for assistant director of personnel cuz there would be hell to pay; I wish I was in the VA hierarchy so I could kick more butt, but the VA is sooo very corrupt. even to the point of a guy bragging to me that he couldn’t be fired because of his political connections in the bureaucracy. Not too much later the I.G. tapped him on the shoulder and said, pack up your stuff and leave the building, pal. (He caused the deaths of two veterans)

James Gallegos

If people would just listen to veterans and the whistle blowers and take this NO nonsense approach many other employees would get that tap.

I don’t like people to lose their jobs, but some deserve more than just loseing their jobs.

It’s good to hear someone listened to you.

These employees that get fired, a yearly employee report should be done with names and why they were fired and given to VA employees as a reminder.

You will be held accountable. !

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