VA Accountability Bill Passes House Of Representatives

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VA Accountability Bill

The House of Representatives passed an accountability bill that will supposedly help Veterans Affairs fire bad employees while protecting whistleblowers.

The bill is dubbed the Department of Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act. It cleared the Senate by a voice vote. President Donald Trump is expected to sign it into law soon.

The law is being touted to give Secretary David Shulkin, MD, more power to discipline or fire employees. It would also shorten the appeal process that presently takes years.

As an example, felon Sharon Helman, the former head of Phoenix VA, is still appealing her termination. It also gives the secretary authority to revoke bonuses and reduce pensions of executives who are disciplined.

Some senior VA executives are anticipating the bill will actually help terminate whistleblowers prior to being exposed. In many instances, obstinate, stubborn, or otherwise those employees who adhere to the truth are also the same employees who report their managers for wrongdoing. Those managers may now be able to terminate these meddlesome employees when trouble first arises prior to matters escalating.

Nonetheless, the legislation is being dubbed as a huge win by lawmakers.

“These changes are crucial to ensure that there’s accountability at the VA so that it can deliver for our veterans,” said Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who sponsored the legislation.

Rubio crafted the bill with Sens. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., and Jon Tester, D-Mont. — the chairman and ranking Democrat on the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs.

“Probably 99.9 percent of the people who work in the VA do a great job,” said Tester. “And the veterans will tell you when they go into the VA clinics, they do do a great job. But we got a few bad apples.”

How do you think this legislation will work out once the rubber hits the road?

I am hearing mixed reviews from whistleblowers inside the agency. Some think it will help encourage accountability while others are concerned it will help dishonest managers terminate honest employees prior to problems escalating.

Source: http://www.npr.org/2017/06/13/531810565/congress-passes-bill-to-increase-accountability-among-va-employees

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Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

You just have to go to someone with the Brass and knowhow like Big Ben and you will be OK if you report bad care/behavior of VA employees

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Looks like we veterans got the shaft AGAIN!
Look at the three people’s name on who wrote the Bill, and that’s the answer!
“Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest!”

Nothing more to say about this fubar!

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
Isakson is the biggest corn dog eating sloth of them all! All lip service from Congress and the Senate as usual. They should have made the bill retroactive to 2014, because of the nexus to the 2014 scandal. This will get at the heart of those who are still players in the game. Namely Meghan Flanz, head of General Counsel. She knew about Burch’s activities, including the corrupt attorneys who went after many whistleblowers with fraudulent filings at the MSPB and EEOC. I will be sending many documents to various law firms as disclosures to what they are dealing with… Read more »
VA IS LYINF INC.
VA IS LYINF INC.

THIS BILL IS A TOTOAL CYA BILL IT WILL NOT HELP WHISLE BLOWERS VETS SCREWED AGIN BUY CONGRESS RATS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Clement
James Clement
Lawmakers can call it any friggin’ thing they want. Win for veterans, my ass! What this country really needs is to get rid of these Lawmakers, and get some Leaders to do their snot-nosed jobs! FIX THE DAMN BROKEN VA: 1. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations. 2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee. 3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans. 4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own… Read more »
cj
cj
You good VA employees out there, make sure you contact your lawyer before, you whistleblow. Do not tell your fellow employees anything, you cannot trust them. They will inform on you, trust us, we know what we’re talking about. You asshole VA teet sucking, Veteran harming, pieces of shit, your days are numbered. “lil” cox n no balls, can’t help you now. You fuckwad quacks, that have been illegally denying Veterans, service connected claims, best start packing up your shit. There is one such quack employed at the Hines VA in Maywood Park, IL. I am filing a complaint against… Read more »
Eagleeye
Eagleeye

On your six!!!

Isaac
Isaac

To Eagleeye: You are the Man

VA IS LYINF INC.
VA IS LYINF INC.

AMEN BROTHER VET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan F
Dan F

“Probably 99.9 percent of the people who work in the VA do a great job,” said John Tester (C-MT)

That would mean there are only 298 bad apples. Hell, I can name at least 20% of that number and that is only at the VA I go to.

Any wonder we think Congress Critters have their heads up their ass?

Eagleeye
Eagleeye

I cannot and will not agree to 99.9% VA employees doing a good job. That is merely a feel good, bleeding heart statement. Until this VA scandal broke a couple of years ago, all the 99.9% “good VA employees were taking the money and running. Now suddenly, some are talking???

Get the point??

namnibor
namnibor
The VA is not good with numbers. Turn that 99.9% upside down to get Satan’s Asshole number of 66.6%, and I will buy that number. Does this new ACT come with a big stick to point at them when they ignore this ACT as well and we are here next year same channel with yet another band aid to place over the larger infected scab and old band aid? 66.6% is more like it for Satan’s Assholes, whom probably already have their AFGE Attorneys roadmapping the loopholes to get around it as we speak. In a mood, esp. after brushing… Read more »
Under water basket weaving specialist
Under water basket weaving specialist

The execs are probably already strategizing how to use this new law to their advantage. Vets who work for the va better cover their 6 quick, fast and in a hurry if they have or are suspected of potentially ratting on the syndicate. Expect increased job scrutiny and being ostracized

yesIcomplainloudly
yesIcomplainloudly
I was at an outside provider today (non-VA) for a follow-up on surgery done by them last year through the fucking shit-fuck choice fucking cock and ball-sucking program. This is a large specialized doctor group owned by a large hospital system here. The surgeon’s staff told me that “the VA just fired Choice today”. I haven’t read any news about this on the web when I got home. Does anyone know if indeed the VA got rid of crotch-licking HealthNet as the contractor for this dick-bag Choice program? I don’t know where they heard this from, although I asked.
Rich B
Rich B

yesIcomplainloudly

I wonder where did you ever learn such colorful language? Just asking because while it is colorful it really doesn’t help identify your problem…. just saying

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Rich B,
Sometimes it takes “Colorful Language” to release the tension VA, and other entities, cause us!
My father was a “very colorful individual”! Yet, it only occurred AFTER someone, or something, didn’t do right by others! Kinda like what VA has been allowed, whether by design or chance, to do to veterans for quite some time!
Maybe you should overlook the ‘brothers’ colorful language, or just not read what he’s wrote!

cj
cj

@Rich B: Really? You can’t figure out what this man is taking about?
This from the guy who uses factually, like most people use um?
Factually, Rich B, exactly what part of this man’s comment, are you having trouble understanding?

Factually, I showed the comment to my 10 year old neighbor, and he had no trouble understanding the content. Didn’t you say you were college educated? You need to go back and ask for a refund.

Or apply to the VA, for that brain surgeon gig. They would be glad to have you.

yesIcomplainloudly
yesIcomplainloudly
@Rich B I learned this colorful language on the NJ Battleship I was on during the peak of the Vietnam War. I use it sparingly but harshly when it comes to “things VA”…especially the CHOICE program. The whole crew talked like that, by the way. The mystifying words in my comment, though, are from the surgeon’s staff telling me and the surgeon together “the VA just fired Choice today”. It shows how #&*@!*# the information flow is between the VA and the community providers that the Shulk wants to charm and coax them into using an extended Choice program after… Read more »
Jo3n

When I don’t trust Shulkin, how can I trust a bill he’s happy with?. Now, Shulkin can fire anyone and hush it up with the propaganda machine. I, the Veteran wants to hold them accountable. Again, all I am hearing, is they can now hold them accountable. Can I hold one of them accountable? Is anyone in the VA, responsible for Veterans?

Under water basket weaver specialist
Under water basket weaver specialist

How does this law work? Executive Shirley is deemed to have violated statute “X” by office of special counsel. Then what?

namnibor
namnibor

Shake the big stick at them and wait for next year’s congress critter band aid. Maxine Waters may even get all the words correct by then. 🙂

Jo3n

The best news, for me last year, was when the State of Wisconsin(?), charged the psycho Dr.. Simply put; why doesn’t the VA go by the law of the State it is in? Did our wise Senators put anything in this accountability law that holds them accountable for not following the law? Why don’t they let you, me, someone else read the bill before it becomes law? Just know we’re getting screwed……….Again.

cj
cj

I was REALLY HAPPY when I made my first post. After reading everyone’s concerns over this new “Accountability Act”, I now see how premature my post was.

Damn it!!

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, give yourself a break Damn it!!! LOL! Your one of the good guys. ?

Under water basket weaver specialist
Under water basket weaver specialist

@cj
Hopefully the new office that 45 created for accountability will alleviate some concerns that insiders have especially if it is staffed with whistleblowers

Dennis
Dennis
FINALLY!!! A senior representative of The People and representing veterans best interest, has achieved what scores of analysts and men of power have NEVER yet accomplished! Until this man spoke, the TRUE nature of problems at VA had been grossly misunderstood. The problem we now know is bad apples. I am telling you that all this time I had pinned a lot of blame on the Hostess snack cake dispensers at VA! I thought the smell I noticed last time at VA was from dead guys or something. Nope. It was bad apples. The last orthopedic VA doctor I saw… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

The “Hostess Organized Health Orangutans” (HOHO) want to put out the statement that we have absolutely no blame to share for the engorged HOHO’s, Snowballs, or Twinkies at the VA and their vending machines.
We are however, highly suspicious of the Ding Dongs working at the VA. (Ding Dongs always had this superiority complex of ruler-ship, and they can be found in large herds under the AFGE vending machine), and furthermore, HOHO recommends Veterans stay clear of Little Debbie because she only has a trap for you, not a snack.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
This may be good news, or maybe NOT! With y’all, and a whole host of others out there who don’t trust “Shithead Shulkin”, as I don’t. A “brother”, Vietnam Vet”, called me this evening to make sure I googled the following: From: “Stars and Stripes” Titled: “VA Backs Off Budget Proposal to Cut Benefits for Disabled, Unemployable Vets” by Nikki Wentling Stars and Stripes June 14, 2017 Seems 57 Congressmen have signed a letter, addressed to Shulkin and in this article, telling him to back off his proposal to illuminate IU from disabled veterans. Seems the VSO’s are onboard to… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Correction:
Should read;
“Eliminate IU from disabled veterans.”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey, “cj”
Most people who work for VA are afraid to Whistle-Blow.
You know the old saying.
“Suck bitch, BLOW is just an expression!”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Yea, I know. I’m just in one of “those moods” tonight!
Plus, I just couldn’t resist with the “blow” comment!

Jo3n

Didn’t the VA have a billion dollars in the choice fund? There be a whole lot of shaky stuff going on up there and they aren’t letting Veterans have anything to do with it. Veteran Friendly? You have got to be joking.

Windguy
Windguy

Washington Speak Definition of “Accountability”: Well crafted and legally vetted non-accountability for allowing entities inside and outside the VA to rob the dwindling budget for shit that was never intended to work in the first place.

cj
cj
@Ex VA,@Crazy elf,@Underwater: I hear ya. See how fucking twisted a person’s​ mind gets, after all of the VA’s constant criminal fuckery? Also from years of politician’s fuckery as well? For just a brief moment, I let my guard down, and thought something good happened. Once again, right on que, throw the dog a bone. Fuck, I hate these deceptive cocksucker’s, and the damn games they play with people’s lives. If laws were suspended for just a day. I would take a three foot piece of 3/4 inch rebar, and stick it through “lil” Cox-n-no-balls fucking skull, right through his… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@cj, i want to believe in good over bad myself. I resemble you in many ways friend. I want to believe people are better than they really are, but they prove me wrong when it comes to dealing with the va. I think things will change for the good eventually (many years) and maybe they will shut this department down because it is failing the Veterans on so many levels. I still believe in good people, but they are not the ones running the va.

cj
cj

@Ex va:Ex, same here, I like to think people are better than they are as well. 99% of the time, I am proven wrong. It is that 1% that keeps me from going off the reservation completely.

Talk in just a bit, I need to calm down and have a cup coffee.

Dennis
Dennis
There is one thing that you must be prepared to also believe in if you believe in the good faith of your fellow man Ex va and namnibor inadvertantly stumbled upon a key concept supporting my hypothesis in a post just above! In order for you to truly accept that kindness and goodness are at the core of humanity and that the values of honesty and good faith are universally held, then you just first accept Ho Ho Ho, which namnibor irreverently shortened to HoHo. You have to honestly believe that the trademark phrase for the red nosed reindeer’s boss… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@Dennis- Dr. Sigmund Freud finds your thoughts about the manner in which a Ding Dong’s cream filling is injected, as highly suggestive in nature and deserves further exploration and probing. 🙂

Dr. Carl Jung says in the Collective Unconscious, we are okay with both square and round hole Ding Dong filling methods, it’s simply ALL good.

VA Mental Health Witch Dr. asks why can’t the cream filling be removed and placed back on the shelf in vending machine for an unsuspecting Veteran to pay for? Double Dipping Ding Dongs.
🙂

Ex va
Ex va
I know a few things about va management and i do know that they will test the waters with this new legislation. It is hard for me to believe from experience that this will benefit whistle blowers. I knew good employees that ended up with nervous breakdowns because of corrupt managers and service line chiefs harassment. I knew of an employee who committed suicide because of daily harassment of a supervisor and others who did nothing to help this individual. Helping the va “fire” bad employees? Who determines who are the bad employees? The corrupt managers? The corrupt medical center… Read more »
Jo3n

I’m praying Ben and others here may just be the answer. @Ben is getting noticed. I think what I’m feeling here is like a broken record. Several of y’all have put steps needed to help fix the VA. A couple visited last week. They had heard two weeks ago, some type of accountability law doesn’t work. They came by a while ago. I told them we have a new accountability law. They asked me, ” why do I put up with this? ” I wonder the same….

Rich B
Rich B
Factually, No one really knows how this will change the playing field for veterans. Hopefully it is not another smoke screen, but until it is put into practice we just don’t know. I suspect the Union will have something to say about this and let there be no mistake this will be challenged in court when it is used to get rid of someone……. then and only then will we really know if it will correct the current problems or if it is just another smoke screen. I will wait and see before I pass judgement on this, Frankly all… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Go buy an old Hostess Twinkie with your 2 cents.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor,
I’ll raise your $1 Along with three old moldy weevil filled hostess cup cakes to insure everyone will fold!

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

Some of us know the truth! Facts are facts and veterans have died! $1.00 Raise the bar bitch!

namnibor
namnibor

I raise your $1.00 with 3 old stale Hostess Twinkies. You can place the old stale Twinkies on end of fishing reel line and play bait and switch with your Engorged VA Purple Team, (EVAPT)

Jo3n

I don’t hate the VA. I’m disgusted with their behavior and attitudes towards Veterans. True, I don’t trust the VA because of 40 years of lying. Call me anything you want, Rich B.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Here’s are two articles from “Military.com/Daily News” concerning the VA. 1.) Titled: “VA Shelves Plan to Cut Benefits for Elderly Disabled Vets” Dated: 14 June 2017 By; Richard Sisk His email address is: “[email protected]” I believe it would be prudent to email him. Basically, to explain how Shulkin COULD gain monies by stopping all the “waste, fraud, corruption and abuse” permeating within the Veterans Administration! I believe ideas from veterans could be used to explain how the upper management is spending taxpayers monies recklessly! We on here have written many examples of how directors, SES’rs and others are spending taxpayers… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
I have a GREAT IDEA for focusing America’s attention on the cost of corruption. By Executive Order POTUS could immediately transfer all VA employees from VA and swap them with the DOE employees currently operating our nations 100 commercial nuclear reactors that provide safe and clean energy for America (if you discount the half life of enriched plutonium of several thousand years as a waste product). I personally think that the word “plutonium” is derived from ancient latin which translates roughly into “DO NOT EVER figure out how to light this shit on fire”. Atlantis, legend has it did figure… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@Dennis- One potential thing to consider: Those Engorged VA Purple Teams (EVAPT) would surely mutate from the radiation then want MORE…the safety and longevity of our Mother Earth is at stake, no less here!!

The VA being terrible at numbers, that half-life of 20,000 years for the spent plutonium would quickly be redefined as activated charcoal and sold right back to the VA to haunt Veterans needing a cleansing.

The only atoms the VA should be near are those emitted at velocities only a neutron bomb can produce. We MUST prevent mutations, Dennis, at ALL COSTS!!!! 🙂

james gallegos
Veterans have waited a very long time for this type of action. Someone asked the question who is going to pick the Bad Apples out ? That is a good question. Well I say you ! Any Veteran who has evidence of wrongdoings should write a letter to Secretary Shulkin and send a copy to the White house, the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs and to Rubio. You the people have the Power, now use it ! They say the pen is mightier than the Sword ! Any employee that has harmed you and you know who they are and… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Liars in the fire!! Burn the witch! 🙂

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