IG Los Angeles VA Wait List

A new IG report shows almost 100 veterans died while waiting for appointments or waiting for tests they never received.

And like all things IG, the supposed watchdog stops short of concluding those veterans “died as a result of delayed consults.” Of course, could anyone really know the delay itself would be the cause of death?

Of course not. The cause of the death is generally the disease or injury and using VA logic on accountability, America will never know exactly what happened because VA does not want us to know… and that is justice in our modern society.

According to CBS:

“He had an enlarged prostate and they just kept saying it’s not a problem you know, whatever, and then, it started to get worse,” Susan says.

He was scheduled to see a specialist in May 2013, but she says that didn’t happen.

“She said, ‘No, you’re here just for a consult. You have to understand people have cancer and he doesn’t,'” Susan Hoffman says. “I think we were there for 15 minutes.”

Four months later, Hoffman was diagnosed with stage IV prostate cancer.

Dr. Christian Head is a surgeon at the Los Angeles VA. He says 140,000 patient consults were deliberately deleted.

“The number of patients waiting for care, the deletion of consults, and the wait list were much more significant here than at Phoenix,” Head says.

“I first noticed an unusual number of patients who are presenting with delay in diagnosis, meaning that they present into the system, they disappeared for a number of years and then they presented late with advanced cancers. Those consults were being deleted, literally removed from the system,” Head says.

Allen Hoffman died a year and a half after he was diagnosed. The VA has settled out of court with his widow.

“Was there any doubt in your mind that they were responsible for your husband’s death?” Villarreal asked.

“Definitely they were,” Susan Hoffman says.

The VA would not comment about Hoffman’s case or Head’s allegations, but Los Angeles’ hospital director admits the problems in the report are serious.

So what do you think? In the courtroom of public opinion, what do you believe taxpayers think happened inside the dark halls of criminal VA facilities nationwide?

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-veterans-affairs-hospital-patients-died-waiting-for-care/

cj

@Raptor Eagle: You getting this? These are your slimy ass buddies and yourself, that allows this to happen, not ex-military leeches, you fucking VAOIG piece of shit. I’ll send you a shiny new bullet for free, if you use it blow your fucking Veteran hating brains out.

James Clement

@cj – – – My JANAP 119 Callsign Book outdated. Who is Raptor Eagle?

cj

@James Clement: Raptor Eagle, commented on the previous article, and is obviously VAOIG, called veterans ex-military leeches that live of the system and his organization works to put those fraud veterans behind bars.

James Clement
@cj – – – Roger that. Have to go reread a few articles and associated comments. Have not been “following” by e-mail for a bit. PersSit looking up. Not out of woods yet. Chance I may be in California late July/early Aug. Need a day where I can sit at the computer and blast a blind mailing list with detailed SITREP. Hopefully within the next day or so. Specific ideas. Just NO time. I’ll give up 25% of my bennies… Read more »
cj

@James Clement: that is great news!!!! Let me know on email. Also did you ever get wire installed?

cj

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James Clement
Good article, Ben. So Allen Hoffman went from not having Cancer to Stage IV Prostate Cancer in just a matter of a few months. That is a pretty fast growth rate. His Gleason score must have quite literally been off the charts. In general, prostate cancer actually has a very high survival rate – one of the highest among all types of cancers. Because prostate cancer is often a slow moving disease, the majority of men diagnosed with prostate cancer… Read more »
Ex va
The Department of Veterans Affairs medical centers and clinics create the waitlists nationwide to protect negligent doctors who do not want to see Veterans or adequately treat them. A doctor/provider could not neglect their patients in the manner that the va doctors treat the Veterans. They would loose their license for negligence and could not keep their doors open because of their poor clinical productivity. I worked in a clinic in a va mental health care line. At this facility… Read more »
namnibor
To connect to yesterday’s article, Bowman, the nominated Deputy Secretary wants to get rid of maternity and CANCER treatment in favor of private care. I wonder if that simply means the VA will soon just not even do any cancer screenings and by the time you *may* find out and are referred to the REAL medical world, it’s going to be too late. Death by deception, delay, lies, and hope you all die. The VA mantra. This is not sustainable,… Read more »
OLDMARINE
namnibor,,,,,Ohoooo They do the screening most of the time, but they say nothing is wrong with you until your stage 4 and then they might do something…I have known to many people complaining they don’t feel right and the answer is, your blood work looks fine..but if your cholesterol if 5 points high, would you like something for that, fuck no. how about something for my red blood cells, answer, nothing They go to a different hospital and its stage… Read more »
Windguy

I download the pathology and imaging reports. Then I start looking up new stuff. The information is there. I learned a long time ago that the system isn’t really set up for doctors to “get back to you” – VA or private…

namnibor
I will say it again: FIRE *every* VAOIG and replace with a VA Whistleblower that’s been harassed or even fired by the VA. The VAOIG are nothing but a massive fog machine but in this case, it’s not the stage lead-up presentation for Golden Earring’s ‘The Twilight Zone’…no, the VAOIG blows foggy smoke to obscure the facts and only makes recommendations. VAOIG reminds me of current TV commercials for ‘LIFELOCK’ Identity Theft Protection, where in the commercials they show a… Read more »
James Clement

@Nam – – – That song pretty much describes MY PTSD and night terrors to a T. Not that the VA has a clue. Or gives a damn. That song brings back LOTS of memories.

namnibor
@James Clement- – – Yes, that song in particular is almost a soundtrack for the evil anxiety side of my PTSD, with just a dash of depression for flavor. 🙂 However, I use listening and playing music to fight and ease those same demons…full circle. Lots of memories. However, I have only great memories of that song. Each cover band I had been in past, we always played that…(keyboards here) I play with nobody these days, aside from my massive… Read more »
James Clement

@Nam – – – Well, I understand the music, but must confess my ignorance about cats. I have two doglets that are amusing to live with. I do enjoy getting into a small Asian kitty every so often . . . but I digress . . .

What type and weight would be considered a massive cat?

namnibor
Maine Coon Mix and 27 LBS of solid cat muscle. My cat is larger than most small dogs. I also love dogs but dogs are most often not allowed when you rent or lease and since they permitted cats, he’s been my “therapeutic cat counselor” now for few months shy of ten years since a wee kitten…and yes, he was also the runt of that litter…I love runts. I consider myself the runt of the litter as well. Cat’s Rule!
OLDMARINE

namnibor ….I also love my runts, they have the most unique personalities. I am up to 3 runt dogs and 1 runt cat which is named RUNT-TIS….LOL

James Clement
@Nam – – – I am glad you and that cat help each other out. Had to google “Maine Coon Cat” as have never seen one. From some of the photos – – – – they DO look massive. I can tolerate cats, just never felt any affection for them. Did not get my first dog until the age of 42. My old Latte’ (mixed Lab/Canardly about 40 lbs) really helped with my PTSD. I so miss her. But now… Read more »
CorpsmanUp!
That is why the IG got roasted. They wont say it is not medical malpractice, but sua sponte will say nothing happened. Another IG fairytale as usual. Linda Halliday looked like a Boss Hogg’s wife during those hearings. I big fat inflatable manatee. And Missal Head will do no better because you have the same doctor in charge of the healthcare inspection. You need a law that is passed that requires a subject matter expert within the IG office that… Read more »
James Clement

@CorpsmanUp! – – – Hang a big roger on that one, Doc. Linda Halliday DID look like she would fit right into “The Dukes of Hazzard”. She also sounds ignorant as hell when she speaks. Flotsam that needs to be jettisoned . . .

I see your Situational Triage skills have been kept right up to date.

touchavet@gmail.com

is it of any value to write articles such as this when nothing happens as result? Would it not be better to send a letter to POTUS regarding this issue.
I believe millions of letters to the WH would have an impact. I write letters to my representatives all the time regarding shortcomings.

namnibor
Well, now you have the information to bark at the POTUS with a letter, with what Ben has provided with the story. This blog is very effective in providing information on scandals that otherwise *never ever* make the mainstream news or otherwise…so, I would think this blog is quite effective. Results we need? Not yet, but it’s better than being meek and passive and just allowing the VA to run over us with sharpened cleats on. Nothing, **NOTHING** will change… Read more »
Dennis

This blog IS the letter to POTUS. Just take a peek at who has logged on here in the past at various times. Sending a letter is holding your hand up. Blogging as Ben does is using a megaphone.

Crazy elf
What happened to Susan Hoffman’s husband is basically the same thing that happened to my “brother” “Hangman”! One of the “symptoms” of pancreatic cancer is similar to diabetes. So, instead of further testing him for other reasons on those symptoms, the VHA at Daytona Beach, Fl. did nothing. I watched my “brother” fade away to nothing! He died in great PAIN! It was hard to watch him, as it was hard to watch his wife deal with everything the VA… Read more »
APCduck
One of my AF buddy’s was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer, every time he goes to the VA they ask ” So whats wrong with you”? He always answer’s “You have my records and the computer what dose it say?” or “Can’t you read?” He is so fed up with the VA Bullshit he stopped going and goes to a civilian doctor. PSA Tests are not as accurate as once thought. I guess his spouse (an AF Veteran also) should plan… Read more »
Seymore Klearly

Just have to point out that those deaths all happen in the span of 1 year. They died between October 2014 and August 2015. Also that in Allen Hoffman’s case his cancer was diagnosed 4 months after his consult but we don’t know how long he had to wait for the initial consult.

Seymore Klearly

Wonder what the average number of murders per year was before they blew the whistle on the Wait List.

What maybe 250 a year or more?

Crazy elf

From: “Military.com/daily news”
Dated: 28 June 2017 | By Hope Yen
Titled:
“Major Veterans’ Groups Voice Concern Over Senate Health Bill”

It’s got a lot of information in it, which includes veterans healthcare. “Shithead Shulkin” also gives his input on our healthcare and the “Choice Program”!
A “must read” for everyone!

Bob

The administrators are all too busy figuring how & how much they can hustle for their next ‘above & beyond’ performance bonus.

namnibor

They probably get “badges” akin to boy & girl scouts, for such endeavors and if it takes some Vets lives, the ‘badge’ is made from hammered-out dental fillings from the deceased.

Grim, I know. In a mood.

Crazy elf

namnibor,
Since reading what “Shithead Shulkin” and other asswipes have been up to since he took over the Secretary’s job, it’s put me into a bad frame of mind!
I’d hate to have an appointment in the next few days!
ALL these VA reprobates are in violation of the laws set down by Congress. Why they’re NOT being prosecuted is amazing!

Crazy elf
This is a little off subject, yet, gives everyone a glimpse into the corruption within our government. Titled; “Exclusive: Widow of Lavoy Finicun Tells ALL!” Dated: 27 June 2017 By: Millie Weaver reporting from “InfoWars” If y’all are unaware of what happened to Lavoy Finicun, let me just say it like it happened – “An Unarmed American Citizen was gunned down, in front of his daughter, by State and Federal Agents!” This incident occurred up in Oregon a few months… Read more »
OLDMARINE
Crazy elf ….I followed that whole thing right from the start. just plain murder.. [Lavoy Finicun]..just plain murder….that’s why when namnibor mentioned the EPA I replied with the BLM also being a bunch of crooks….The feds own more land or should I should say steal, Yea they offer the farmer some money for it, but if they don’t want to sell it, they send in CRIME INC. the FBI and other three letter agencies to run you off..most of the… Read more »
OLDMARINE
“https://govbanknotes.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/us-inc-f-b-i-is-a-corporate-protection-racket” Our government isn’t just corrupt though. Indeed, the primary function of government at the moment is to protect status quo criminals from the public, not the other way around. This is why the rich and powerful are never held to account, which is in turn why it continues to get worse and worse. A key gatekeeper in this whole scheme against the citizenry is the FBI. Time and time again throughout U.S. history, you see the FBI working to… Read more »
Lem

No delays in Health Care in Japan. Also longer quality of life and highest per capital centenarians and super centenarians.

When it comes to saving life, time is of the essence. Take it from a combat corpsman. The field hospitals don’t wait to see if you qualify for care no matter how minor the injury or disease.

Jo3n
@James Clement, I’ve read your solution several times. I don’t believe that solution will ever be considered with what Veterans have for leadership in the VA. But, it’s the best solution I’ve read. Each post here leaves me more questions than answers. When will this crap stop? Not until….we stop them. I could be more supportive, if it wasn’t that every day Veterans are dying because of the VA. When is Shithead going to address these daily atrocities? Most likely… Read more »
James Clement
@Jo3n – – – Thank You. I was taught from a young age in the military to use the 3F approach in dealing with problems: 1. Find a workable solution quickly. 2. Fix the problem with the workable solution rapidly and efficiently. 3. Fuckin’ bitch, moan, and laugh after the first two F’s are taken care of. Served me well while on active duty. What I did not account for while running through the jungle and sailing the bounding main… Read more »
Under water basket weaver specialist
Under water basket weaver specialist

If the OIG can verify that that many consults were deleted, they can surely find out who deleted them and why. This is a catastrophic healthcare failure that warrants a criminal investigation. You can bet if your local private hospital did this, the state attorney general would definitely investigate this rather than draft a semi-harshly worded memo. Doesn’t state law come into play where va hospitals are located? This is so sad…

namnibor

VA loves to claim that all their locations are Federal Property, and claim it always trumps State Laws…unless it’s convenient for the VA to actually honor State Laws where it benefits the VA. See how thick the crap is?

Jo3n

Was the VA OIG set up to protect the VA, or the Veterans? I hate saying this, but, who is the VA OIG supposed to report to? What good is the VA OIG if they have to report to the SES, or anyone else in the VA? I’d say the AG, but he’s useless. The VA just isn’t working. Too many dead Veterans.

ANutterVet
It is a fucking crime for the VA’s corruption to continue. Our Body of Elected Officials have no pass to not solve the issues inside the VA. By not holding the VA accountable, then VA Officials will feel even more that they can get away with matters. Veterans lives are at stake. It is a dam disgrace in how the VA’s behavior has been. For decades VA has treated Veterans for pain, PTSD, TBI, or other debilitating medical conditions that… Read more »
ANutterVet

If I were in a position, I’d take a healthy shit. Following far behind . . . (phew . . .)

namnibor

RAND Corporation on shit and the VA and VAOIG: The shitheads at the VA’s newborns must surely then be called ‘turdlers’ since they come from the swamp. RAND recommends massive enema to correct this imbalance of PH in USA.

Seymore Klearly
Hey Elf, The CNN thing is really something ain’t it. I mean retracting and firing three people. Not the first time for CNN though. Just ask Thomas G. Bowman I am sure he can remember “Operation Tailwind”. Took a whole squadron of planes to spray enough whitewash to cover that up. “U.S. Military Used Nerve Gas to Kill Vietnam War Defectors, Report Says” Probe: Operation was allegedly OKd by Nixon administration and CIA. Pentagon says it has no evidence of… Read more »
Crazy elf

Seymore,
I got a sneaky suspicion there’s lots more “dirt” on Bowman than anyone can find.
I think from now on his new “Nickname” should be
“Bowel Movement Bowman”!
Because he’s full of shit!
We’re going to have to take our enemies to task, I do believe!

James Clement

@Elf – – – Things at the VA will either get better, or the clusterfuck will become more tragic/funny. We now have the Team of Shithead Shulkin and Bowel Movement Bowman on the stage.

Wonder if they will perform at the “Comedy Club” in the not too distant future?

Seymore Klearly
Tommy g sure put together a great counter offensive to the reports. Within one month all the braches of the service who were involved had reports on his desk including the CIA. Although he was facing an uphill battle with the Air forces records showing that not only had they locked and loaded GB-15 (Sarin Gas) for the mission, but that GB-15 had been used nearly 2,000 in Vietnam. But through an amazing display of whitewash ingenuity they claimed it… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REVIEW OF ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING “OPERATION TAILWIND” JULY 21, 1998 “http://www.dod.gov/pubs/tailwind.html” M2 PRESSWIRE-23 July 1998-U.S. DOD: DoD news briefing (C)1994-98 M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD * Operation TAILWIND Colonel Tom Bowman, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, also a Judge Advocate General Excerpt from briefing text: Colonel Bowman: When you have the opportunity to review in the reading room the volumes that relate to the service reports you will obviously come across the Joint Staff report. In that report there are certain… Read more »
Crazy elf

And CNN ain’t the only pieces of shit out there spreading it thick!

Seymore Klearly
CNN Settles Lawsuit With Operation Tailwind Producer: [FINAL Edition] de Moraes, Lisa. The Washington Post; Washington, D.C.[Washington, D.C]08 June 2001: C.07. “The announcement of the settlement came three years to the day after CNN telecast the report on OperationTailwindto premiere its newsmagazine “NewsStand.” When military experts disputed the claim that lethal nerve gas was used on a Laotian village in 1970 as part of a mission to kill American defectors, the cable news network retracted the story, saying it could… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Several more excerpts from the news briefing by Colonel Tom Bowman, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, also a Judge Advocate General; and Lee Strickland who was the information and privacy coordinator at the Central Intelligence Agency, Mr. Brad Carson, our White House Fellow July 1998. U.S. DOD: DoD news briefing: [1] M2 Presswire; Coventry[Coventry]23 July 1998: 1 “Q: General Singlaub had called on CNN to say that the operation did not take place. Not only that CNN found no evidence to… Read more »
Seymore Klearly

Elf did you notice the Thailand, and Scott Nelms statements yesterday.

Quoting Scott Nelms yesterdays statement. “I am a Thai Vet, the group that is not even recognized by congress to have been exposed to herbicides. He has spent a lot of time with me and getting e mails and info from me about the inequities of the Thai vets and herbicides.”

namnibor

Holy Crap.

Seymore Klearly
Q: On the database, it’s my understanding that there was an initial run requesting references to the weapon CBU-15 which is the sarin nerve gas, that initially you came up with a large number of weapon systems, of reported use of that, but you decided it was some sort of data input error. Can you explain what happened there? Mr. Davidson: Sure. The actual search we did was ask for what weaponry, actually the question I was just asked, what… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Note the horse hockey with wording in the questions and answers posted above. “In addition to saying CBU-15 it also said “anti-materiel”. CBU-15 has never been identified as anti-materiel.” “But you go back and pick up the key book for 1970 and you run that same basis and you look for 415, the item that’s showing up in the database. 415 is actually **CBU-14, an anti-materiel bomb**.” “415 was used 2,000 times. The guide and the key book used to… Read more »
Crazy elf

Seymore,
Here’s an update on the “Lavoy Finicun murder”!
From: Favor Zolna
Dated: 28 June 2017
Titled;
“FBI Agent Indicted In Shooting Death, Of Rancher Lavoy Finicun!”

Seems the agents involved tried to cover-up their fuck up of murdering Lavoy Finicun. The sheriff’s office wasn’t playing along with the feds!
So, the agent was charged with “lying under oath” during the investigation. And according to Gabor, “Obstruction!”
Some kind of bullshit from the federal agency!

lily

It breaks the heart to see the brave die at the incompetance of the VA. One day were going to have a revolution in this country. People can only take so much madness before something gives. What will be the spark of this uprising? I think it will be when the government doesn’t have the money to take care of those who sacrificed for its existance.

Jim nose

Right, the government is too busy giving money to certain countries and
illegal aliens. And seeing how they can reduce our compensation.
I don’t know about this bean counter dr shulkin?

Jo3n

I don’t see the Government running out of money. That’s where it’s at. Sad day for Veterans. @Seymore, no words can do you justice. It’s like they been planning this a long time. Let’s see how it goes. Does Shithead ignore or does he cover(?) It up, if possible. And we live to fight another day.

lily

I don’t know what will happen since the USA is 20 trillion in debt, but something has to change. When the belt tightening comes you can bet vets are first on their list of cuts.

OLDMARINE

And I read just the other day that the IRS collects 13 trillion a year…Wonder where all that money is disappearing to

Jo3n

One more thing about Bowlman, whatever the elf said, Who was the influence from for POTUS to choose him. Could be a source of bad information. Well, obviously is. There’s an odor emanating here. Maybe more than just one puke here living off unknowing taxpayers. Give em hell…

NiteWish
I just noticed I got this email w/ a link to watch. You do not need facebook, click not now when the whit e box comes up “https://www.facebook.com/JudicialWatch/videos/10155080053021943/” On this edition of On Watch, Judicial Watch Director of Investigations Chris Farrell answered YOUR questions via Facebook Live about two Judicial Watch investigations; Governor Chris Christie’s effort to extort $300 million from an insurance company for an addiction program, and JW’s second lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which… Read more »
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