‘No Pot For You!’ Veterans Stuck Using Pharmacologic Treatments Only

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Republicans in Congress blocked a vote on legislation that many ill veterans want – – that bill would have allowed VA doctors to prescribe medical marijuana.

The bill, known as “Veterans Equal Access” amendment, would have moved to debate on the House floor. Instead, the House Rules Committee stopped the bill by excluding it from the House’s proposed VA funding bill for next year.

The sponsor of the House provision, Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore, said he was “bitterly disappointed” about the move by Republicans that seems solely inspired by profiteers in Big Pharma.

“This is a subject that has gained a great deal more attention and momentum,” Blumenauer told McClatchy. “More people recognize that the VA has really failed our veterans when it has come to pain management, opioids, and opioid dependency.”

Before the vote, the bill had bipartisan support. Nine Republicans and nine Democrats supported the bill but somehow Congress chose to exclude the move.

Apparently, Congress would rather veterans stay hooked on opioids and related drugs vets use to treat their chronic pain or anxiety.

The vote failure did not fully kill the measure, but it certainly impedes progress on this kind of issue. A Senate vote supporting the same measure in the fiscal 2018 Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations bill could push it through to the final bill when the two chambers meet later this year to negotiate a compromise.

So, to all the disabled veterans sick of using pharmacologic solutions when mere medical marijuana would work better, “No pot for you!”

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nationworld/national/article163817953.html

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Little Sandy
Little Sandy

It’s available to all those in Wash DC– but not for those of us in the heartland.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Sandy,
That’s because D.C. isn’t a state! They make up their own rules to fit their agenda!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

It’s my party and I’ll smoke if I want tooooooo….FUCK YOU politicians , …Sold out to the pig PHARM/FARM……..

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Hey hey, short and to the point. – – – Nutter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

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Hope it goes to 50 cents a share…LOL

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

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I made that one up…LOL

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

NUTTER

Help is just a phone call away—1-855-260-3274. VA’s Caregiver Support Line is a great resource for a caregiver of any Veteran. The Support Line is staffed by caring, licensed professionals who can help you to learn about available care and support programs, access services through VA, and connect you with a Caregiver Support Coordinator at your local VA medical center.

The Caregiver Support Line also offers monthly telephone discussions on a variety of self-care and other topics such as relaxation, anger management, and long-term care planning. To learn more about these monthly calls, listen to a recording or view the related handout. Join at any time; call the Caregiver Support Line for full details.

T
T

Back in the seventies chiropractors and acupuncture got me walking and working again after a work place accident, on top of other issues. Went to the VA years later on and all they could do is think I was nuts and condemn chiropractors, acupuncture, to herbs like Valerian tea to help sleep, etc. Now more recently they claimed to wait while they are training chiro and accu people. Then say to find our own, but then Choice would not pay the price those professionals desired. And those being trained by the VA would quit and go into business outside the VA, and not accept the C card. How odd.

Everything that may help a ill person is illegal including getting our own acupuncture needles. A doctor trained me and gave me a fancy costly pen like Accu pointer to find the right areas with. Then I am told in so many words… we vets, including me are too stupid, incompetent, confused, or inefficient to use such things or do them on our own without VA supervision and allowances.

Just before leaving the VA I talked to others and learned of Kratom. Tried to order some and by then laws were passed making that illegal to purchase and use too. Then told by pain clinic to go the VA way totally and minus any rights of our own, or hit the street corners to get some heroin, etc., or go back to drinking after over 25 yrs of sobriety. Real nice people we have in DC, local politics, medical boards, and filling the VA. Trump has been a bad let down to me, IMHO. How nice of them all wanting to then make criminals of us so they can do their illegal forfeiture thing taking all we own for the tyrants use and games, and send us off to prison and taking disability payments from us too. So we don’t stand much of a chance in good ol’ “free America.” What a pathetic joke, freedom. We have too many enemies and brain dead that don’t know what freedom is, or afraid of it. Too many out there want to micro-manage every aspect of our lives, and they are doing it.

Migraines: then the idiots just offer us Gabapentin and Botox for them. Stopping what worked for me. Then we have to find another patient to do it with so the entire vial of it can be used at once. But then it’s illegal for them to tell us about other patients dealing with the same problems and to find them/a partner for injections on our own. Oh, and after them in the beginning telling us how horrible Botox is being used in civilian life, and about all the horrible side effects. Doing the old flip-flopping thing and speaking with forked tongues, and out both sides of their face. The scum. Then all those so-called professionals want today is all those release forms, access to our files that won’t show or prove shit since the corrupt have covered their butts in them, and deleted, or falsely reported in many other areas of our claimed ‘good and best care ever.”

Oh hell. “Press one for Spanish or two for English.” IF I was a foreigner, connected, Congress critter, or illegal I/we wouldn’t be treated this way. America is beyond fixing like the VA, modern “professionals” is.

“https://newswithviews.com/confronting-the-oppressors/”

namnibor
namnibor

Yet, if you took a mass piss testing of all those Congress Critters that let this Bill all but wither away, you more than likely would find much harsher shit in a rainbow of colors in the Dinosaur Congress Critter(DCC).

Maybe then, Colorado and other recreational use States could establish what I will now call: “Sanctuary Veteran Pot Cities” for America’s Veterans. If there can be illegal sanctuary cities where illegals and thug refugees are granted full protection, why not “Sanctuary Veteran Pot Cities”? (SVPC)

Also, I wonder how much today’s omission of this pot measure to help Veterans was put off out of anticipation of what AG Sessions will potentially do to individual states that have voted for full recreational legal use?
I consider AG Sessions a loose canon and perhaps even POTUS Trump as well at this point. Fuck them.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Since regular citizens are able to get MMJ, who’d like to get together for a civil suit of wrongful medical treatment against the VA? Fuck, may as well go all the way, and bust all the doors wide open. Another example of incompetency. But yet, they put me on a tapering process off of pain medications, knowing that I vehemently despise taking SSRI’s.

When my VA PCP gave me my last full script, she was confused about the dosage, in which we had a hour long meeting about with 4 people in attending. And still, she got my prescription amount wrong (a 95% straight up reduction of my total monthly allotment). Then when I complained about this life threatening error, boom you slap me with the tapering process with less than 30 days to adjust. Wake up you dumb asses, we want MMJ instead of Big Pharma’s concoctions.

You keep on pushing us, and one day we’re going to push back, then you won’t know what to do. But the way you think, act, and do things, you might do the foolish thing and legalize everything. Stupid fucks. I can’t stand you people anymore. Your true colors have permanently stained you. Your tagged for the rest of your life. Just like I am for being prescribed Opiate pain medications. ENOUGH ALREADY !!!

OK trolls, where are you at. You come on Ben’s site every other time something is hot.

maryw
maryw

ITS NO-ONE’S PLACE TO FORCE ANY ADULT IN A ,”FREE COUNTRY,” TO FORCIBLE ENDURE PHYSICAL PAIN FROM MEDICAL CONDITION BY DENYING THEM ACCESS TO ,”WHAT=EVER WORKS FOR THEIR ADULT BODY,”’ !!!!!I PERSONALLY DON’T LIKE POT,,BUT MY BROTHER/NIECE SWEAR BY IT FOR THEIR MIGRAINES,,,,,MY MEDICINE,A PHARMOCUETICAL MEDICINE,,WORKS FOR ME,,,AGAIN,,ANYONE WHO THINKS IT THEIR RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO SUFFERS IN PHYSICAL PAIN IS PSYCHOTIC,JMO,FOR THEIR REGULATIONS ,THE FLIPSIODE OF THAT REGULATION IS DENIAL OF ACCESS TO EFFECTIVE MEDICAL CARE TO LESSEN PHYSICAL PAIN,,,,,AND THAT IS BARBARIC,INHUMANE.CRUEL,,TO FORCE ANOTHER LIVING ENTITY TO LIVE IN NOW FORCED PHYSICAL PAIN VIA DENIAL OF ACCESS TO THEIR MEDICINE,,,,,jmo,maryw

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

That’s because the democrats and RINO’s are calling our country a “Democratic Society” instead of its real name – a “Constitutional Republic!”

Leatherneck
Leatherneck

How come no Veteran ever ever tell me their how to improve Disabled Veterans who is collected 100 percent service connected Veterans Benefits..Thanks…..Semper Fi

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

WHAT’S THAT SPELL? (FUCK OFF DC!) I don’t need your OK for shit. I’ve been using it for 50 years now. Never thought I’d be using it for depression and PTSD. My wife and I also been using Kratom for about a year now for my back and her Osteo. The county here in Ca. says NO to any growing but has no LE to monitor or enforce their stupid laws. Don’t give a shit anyway! (Moving to Oregon for what I have left of my years). I think they might leave it up to the VA in states that have legalized it. One can only hope and wait and wait>>>>.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

You’d think that those hungry hippo States with laws against the use of Marijuana, and have an aggressive Attorney General, that they would go after the affluent celebrities and Politicians that toke nothing but the best kolas (sensimilla = seedless, with a fruity pine smell). Why not? Because the shit would hit the fan. Too much pressure from the better than the rest of us Veterans.

Veterans = Second Class Citizens (using us for all sorts of experiments). Keep pushing ! Revolution time is just around the corner. One sensitive miscalculated fuck up will start the, Veterans Lives Matter Movement. Wait for it.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey, Nutter,
We are “Third-Class Citizens” of a really fucked up government!

Wewantweed
Wewantweed

LMAO veteran lives matter too. The press would never cover us cuz all the fucks in grammar. North Korea just launched again.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

When McCain goes through his chemo treatments, lets hope he has a hard time in having an appetite. And, that all the BIG PHARMA molecular chemical compounds that they manufacturer doesn’t stimulate McCain’s appetite. Then may be he will try Marijuana in some form, due to being persuaded by a close relative or love one. If this works and it gets media attention from the MSM, the tide could change. Just saying. – – – Nutter.

namnibor
namnibor

That old goat McCain is so self-centered he would never do such a thing to benefit anyone but his goaty self. Yep, just used the word goat as an adjective and invented a word. Goaty. Not to be confused with Goatee. Completely different. Goat approved.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

The good ole boy AG Sessions may and try to pull the rip cord of MMJ. Don’t trust that dude. Too hickey and less akamai (smarts).

LEATHERNECK
LEATHERNECK

namnibor do live in Arizona I used to now in New Hampshire when it comes to Veteran Health Care money talks and bull shit walks McCain is example especially when to Veteran Health care.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

I have a MMJ card in my state which allows me to treat my PTSD. I don’t use the VA for medical, thank fucking god, and I hope I never will have to. I’ve been on some pretty shitty pills seroquel being the worst of them so far. I tend to find that if I can’t feel the effects of a “medication” almost immediately then I have a hard time believing that it’s “working”. I don’t like being a guinea pig while “doctors” push my dosage levels all over the chart looking for the “magic number”. I’d much rather just go smoke a bowl and feel it working almost immediately.

Jeff Sessions can have my marijuana when he pulls it from my cold, dead, fingers.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Wyldechylde – – – Totally agree. Rat Bastards.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I’m going to seeing an “Ortho” today at the Daytona Beach VHA to find out if I’ve got:
1.) “Osteophytosis”
Or;
2.) “Chondrocalcinosis”

I’ve looked both of these “medical conditions” up on the internet. I wonder what the puke will say? According to “Wikipedia” a “blood sample or exrays can’t diagnose…” either one!
My PCP said something about a “Baker’s cyst” being in the back of my knee! She said, “…usually they just drain it with a needle!”
Well, I wonder what’s going to happen. Because, that’s the same VHA clinic that murdered my “brother” with a misdiagnosed pancreatic cancer!
These pukes are worthless!

SPrice
SPrice

A Bakers Cyst is visible when you compare both legs and you can also see it on Xray. Treatment is draining by removing the fluid with a syringe and then injecting a steroid so it won’t come back.

T
T

The Baker’s cyst I had around thirty years ago behind a knee was removed surgically when other damage was being found and to be repaired. I was in to get fluid drained from both knees again too. They found the cyst by inflating my knee area with air, then dye, then X ray. That is when they found the cyst. All I could feel is a slight bulge behind the knee, but was told it was a very large cyst. Left me with a nice huge scar behind the knee in the crease with huge varicose veins in that area right after surgery. Back then I was told if not totally removed they, it, would surely return. Mine hasn’t returned, yet. However I’ve got some other types of cyst I’ve had removed and to deal with from time to time.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

so on an unrelated topic (Ben you SERIOUSLY NEED to get some damned forums up and running here) Does anybody have any clue as to what the current number of pending claims in the backlog is at? It concerns me because that’s where I’m at and I haven’t had a decision yet on my NOD hearing which was back in early Nov.

Just curious to know if anybody has or knows where to get the number

thanks in advance

NiteWish
NiteWish

I am so disappointed by this & then I read this statement From Secretary Shulkin on Agreement Reached on Funding “The Committees included measures that will improve VA’s most valuable asset – its employees” “https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2931”
I’m fed up, I’m going to do a spell.

namnibor
namnibor

@NiteWish- If you’re going to go to all the preparations to conjure a spell, just as someone should have enough for the entire class to share, why not conjure-up a chain-reaction spell that works on entire populations of swamp sewer rats, specifically?!

This was you can ~*~bewitch~*~ the lemming swamp sewer AFGE rats like the Pied Piper and cause them all to follow each other plummeting off edge of a very high cliff. 🙂

While you’re also at it, brew-up a whopper of a spell to cause every AFGE and VA employee to become deathly ill upon trying to eat any donut or bakery item from Starbucks…that alone might cause the plummeting action right along! 🙂

If I were a wealthy man in this life, I would buy some land in Colorado and call it The Veteran’s Potluck Ranch. We’d grow both our own food and medicine. 🙂
Sadly, am not wealthy but willing to relocate within two years. Must accept my cat as well. 🙂

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

I’ll see your cat and raise you 1 cat and 2 medium sized dogs.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Namnibor, you & others are welcome to join me. You were raised in the church, even the Jesus said, “for where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them”[Matt 18:20] Choose an anguish & focus on it to be corrected. The limitations of the mind are only limited by what you believe or don’t believe.
I choose to open their ears that they may hear, to remove the obstructions surrounding their mind, to remind them of WHO they really are.
This is not witchcraft like the pissants who cast spells against the president. I wipe that shit away with the wave of a hand.
This is mind forming matter in quantum entanglement tapping into the energies of combined Consciousness.
To those on the receiving end: this is our mind, our homes, our sanctuary, you are Forbidden to enter. Burning Down the House: “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZHCrPE9n_g”

namnibor
namnibor

“Burning Down The House” by Talking Heads is such a wonderful song. Big fan.

Wewantweed
Wewantweed

They are suppose to be most important asset to dept. Problem is and they know it very bad sickass ones blocking success. If good ones get that message it means there is a new way this mess can be handled. Use the office pick up the phone. Report report report. Bad actors don’t have enough thug squads to retaliate on all those who choose honor and courage instead of corruption. Although I can see one dumbass calling saying we like corruption mo Berta.

Dennis
Dennis

In Oregon if you have a diagnosis of PTSD then the fee for obtaining both a medical card and (therefor) a waiver on the sales tax on marijuanna purchased legally in Oregon is representative of a “discount” that my home state offers to veterans for relief of severe and chronic PTSD.

It seems that what cannot be had at any cost from our Federal government to ease the suffering of veterans is in fact on sale right now in Oregon – “… in recognition of our veteran population.”

The ONLY possible explanation is that Oregon is about 3000 miles away from our Federal government and the scent of federal wisdom simply does not carry that far on the wind, OR the federal government does not consider vets part of the population…

namnibor
namnibor

I may just be moving out to Oregon rather than Colorado in two years max. Plus, I love rain and all the more accessible nature and greens. Water is a bit of an issue in Colorado if things got dicey, not so much in Pacific Northwest.
I like Oregon’s recognition of Veterans.

Dennis
Dennis

Oregons marijuanna law has put the feds in a terrible bind for a very simple reason; ANY person over 21 may grow plants at home. Four if you are not medical and six if you are.

The problem the feds have is that now every single city block is the home to marijuanna growing operations, albeit small scale but nonetheless in place. The problem with regulations that the feds face get HUGE when the federal government needs to cross your doorstep into your private home and start taking things…they face citizens who believe they have a Constitutuional right to defend yourself and property in a state that allows legally for a citizen to defend both with lethal force. They therefor face a Constitutional crisis in attempting such action and then multiply that by tens of thousands of Oregon households now growing what they want in their own homes and it becomes impossible. This is why we fought for home growing rights in Oregon. We do not legally ontain this stuff through licensed growers – we can grow it ourselves and if you can grow tomatoes then you are aleady an expert at making your own medicine and it costs just about as much when you do it yourself.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

In Connecticut the total fees for obtaining your card is 250 USD. 150 for the quack doctor to “certify” you and 100 for the state to “process” your application. Each Dispensary in the state is required to offer a compassionate care program, which I qualify for since I’m exactly 6 bucks below the federal poverty line. This means I get my ounces for 80.00 or 200.00 for my legally allowed 2.5 ounce limit. I’m not allowed to purchase anything on the menu however. There is a small “selection” of strains available for fixed income folk such as myself. Most ounces in my dispensary and the state retail for aprox 300-400 USD.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Wyldechylde – – – Would be sweet if Veterans with approved medical conditions could grow their own personal medicine. Although legally, it most likely can’t be called medicine. We’d have to remove many from DC and BIG PHARMA’s influence from the mix to make this happen.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

I’m actually going to be trying to get legislation introduced to push for that very thing. Currently every single person on the MMJ program is served by 4 growing companies in the entire state. It’s ridiculous and only serves to A. Allow state officials to pick and choose future millionaires out of a “lottery” that you need to have deep pockets in order to even participate. This effectively marginalizes and sidelines 98-99% of the population in my state. It also limits variety. We don’t grow the strain that you find to be really effective? Tough shit take what we give you or go to the black market.

If a person has the knowledge and experience to take care of themselves by growing a plant it shouldn’t be the governments business how I exercise my right to cultivate my property.

Daniel
Daniel

As well they should. As long as Pot is a class 1 drug under federal law, Congress cannot allow it on a federal reservation until Congress changes the designation as anyone who has possession of it at a VA facility, since this is federal property, that would up the charge to a federal felony.

Dennis
Dennis

@DANIEL

Pot would not be present in the prescribing physicians office or on property any more than the blood pressure pills are or the morphine that they prescribe are. The doctor simply writes on paper his opinion and calls it a prescription. It is then up to the patient what to do with the prescription but no VA facility that I know of has a legal stash of ANY drugs on campus for dispensing. They have been caught with stashes of drugs, true, but to date never has the stashes of illegal drugs found in VA offices and on VA personel been marijuanna. The VA illegal stashes of drugs are obtained through established and in place federal channels instead and tend to have extremely high market values – orders of magnitude more expensive on an ounce for ounce basis than even premium marijuanna has ever even been close to.

Your logic used to prop your support of anti marijuanna is therefor flawed and not valid on that basis.

I am gonna smoke a joint now.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

And, VA Executives have admitted that there is a illicit drug theft problem some where in the distribution channel, but they don’t know where the theft is occurring or how to detect it. That’s why I replied that a Cost Control Consulting service could make some HUGE bucks by detecting, verifying, and offering fixes for the VA’s incompetency in managing Controlled Substances.

namnibor
namnibor

Yep, the VA hacks fresh from goat farm or termite mound in Sudan, probably cooks meth in their kid’s Barbie Playtime Oven Home Meth Lab…in basement or garages, high at work and hungry, hungry hippo games, while chastising Veterans for either doing weed or same hack is telling Veteran we need to lose a bit of weight, while the engorged purple team leader has a gravitational field around her with donuts floating near purple object orbit. 🙂

On a funny note, a building maintenance man today made me chuckle. He was talking about how particularly cheap and tight with her money, and how she was trying to only pay for half of an automotive air conditioning recharge since it was only half empty.
I said to him that in a realistic barter society, it would make a lot of sense, plus you said she was an older widow, right?
He laughed and said no, this lad was so tight, when she farted, Alaskan Huskies in Alaska come running to wherever her tight ass is on the planet! 🙂

Made me chuckle. Thought I’d share the love. 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Sorry, bad neuropathy day, the keys kill me.

Dan
Dan

You can do whatever you wish, but the law is clear. If you go onto a VA reservation and they find pot on you, you will be arrested and charged with a federal felony.

The simple thing to do is to get Congress to change the law and allow it.

namnibor
namnibor

@Dan- Not your average dumb as box of rocks Veteran is going to even think about walking onto VA property with pot on them…in the system, blood, urine, another thing, but no actual pot.
Chill. We’re not as dumb or misguided as you may assume.

Hell, even Mr. Rogers got his occasional parcel delivered from Columbia by Choo Choo.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I just remembered something my brother told me a few years ago. (About maybe 5 years ago!)
He took a friend up to the “Gainesville VHA” and watched the pharmacy employee hand two ounces of pot to the veteran. It had been prescribed by his PCP!
I don’t know IF he’s still receiving it, but one thing is for sure, I believe my brother witnessed it!

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

He could have been on the federal pot program although if it was 5ish years ago I doubt it since last I heard they shut down new applicants quite a while ago and to the best of my knowledge there are only 3-5 remaining patients on it. Honestly wouldn’t want any weed from the government anyway it’s less potent (I think on average 3% total THC” and way to stemmy. Any pics I’ve seen of government weed looks basically like lawn clippings.

Dennis
Dennis

From personal experience the most severe symptoms are not relieved until the potency is a minimum of 70% thc. At best, leaf based products like joints are 25% and pretty hard to inhale. THC, the active ingredient, relieves severe symptoms in me adequately when the potency is at least 85% or so.

The relief is remarkable and few would recognize it as a “high” as popularized by Cheech and Chong, but the mistake new patients make is under dosing because unless you have access to medical grade extract (like Oregon) it is nearly impossible to burn through enough plant material to obtain the needed dose. The dose must be high enough via more purified medicine, but without question marijuanna for me has replaced what used to cost (non VA) $750+ per month for prescriptions. It is not a specialized drug and has an all around effect and side effects, but so do those godamn psyciatric drugs the VA wonder kids called shrinks precribe. With marijuanna extract I can dose as needed instead of taking a pill regiment that wires me courtesy of what some VA shrink fresh from the goat farm thinks I should take and when.

It is good medicine.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

it is absolutely good medicine. And you’re correct about strength. So far high end bud tops out around 28-30% THC. Once you start getting into the concentrates, dabs, wax, shatter etc, you start seeing the elevated concentrations around 70-80%. I read recently that somebody in either Washington state or Oregon managed to extract a concentrated purity of 99% using a proprietary process. Needless to say I’d love to get me some of that 😀 😀 :D.

Every time I smoke a bowl, and I smoke A LOT of bowls, I smile and giggle a little. Mostly because I’m baked as fuck, but also because I know for every toke I take Jeffery Sessions dies a little bit inside. Fuck that jug handle looking prick.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Max THC at most is very low 30’s or very high 20’s. 70% ??? This local Hawaiian influenced local never heard of such. And, I’ve been around the BEST. Don’t believe me, do research on the Puna District on the Big Island. – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Wyldechylde – – – That process is a CO2 extraction. Most likely or its a new one to me. If they can isolate over 99% pure CBD, then THC can be isolated as much too. But hell, what do I know, I only broke a 21 year old record of an Organic Chemistry Lab Contest by isolating 7 compounds from one solution. No weed has THC even close to 70%.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dennis – – – That Oregon stuff you toke on is laced with Opium. LMAO – – – Nutter.

Dennis
Dennis

Let me explain just how potency is increased in what starts as plant material.

The potency of 70%+ I desribe is not plant material. It is extracted under severe pressures and temperatures that keep the gas(es) in an almost liquid, almost gas state known as supercritical fluid state. Everything from propane to butane to co2 can be made supercritical under extreme pressure and when in supercritical state the “solvent” extracts cannabinoids like thc, terpenes like limonene, and also some chlorophyl(s), but leaves behind much of the solid plant material. A really great extraction nets about 70% thc, and 30% gunk.

Then to purify it I run it first across an aluminum oxide column packed tight like sand while the extracted oil is disolved in alcohol. This strips free fatty acids and proteins (waxes) as well as any particulate present. Next, after drying the now more purified product, I run it through a second packed column of chromatography gel silica 60. It is also packed tight like sand. I run it through with a solvent comprised of 80% hexane and 20% ethyl acetate, then increase EA 5% at a time (gradient elution). I catch the first part that comes through, substantially purified thc, and then discard the later green part (chlorophyls) that elute from the column much later than thc.

I dry all this out and purge the product of solvent using a vacuum pump and chamber.

This procedure very easily elevates the purity into the low 90s% range and it takes longer to type it than to run 50 ml of disolved extract through two “sand” filters (using chromatography sand lolz). I can do it al in less than an hour for a two week supply easy. The technical term generally for what I a, doing is Dry Column Vacuum Chromatography (DCVC).

The other MUCH more technical method is to distill the extract, however this can ONLY be done via molecular distillation (short path) and this means a vacuum of down to at least 20 microns – and even then it takes 400F to get thc to distill over, but this is the typical big house way to do it.

I post this as an explanation of precisely how it is possible for me to obtain purities begond what can normally be obtained. Here is a link to my video decribing the chromatography method I use made here in Oregon, perfectly legal to do, that in general shows how this can be done. This Marine ain’t waiting for Uncle Sam to provide good medicine.

“https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6CXRbKJeA”

Since the video I have refined the process much further but the idea is identical – I just got better at it.

I refuse to wait for idiots sent to DC to pull their heads out of their asses and I refuse to wait years for pharmacutical companies to provide the medicine and purity that I need today, so I did it myself.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dennis – – – By what analytical equipment (name and model) are you testing the purity of the isolated THC? I ask because when I worked for HP’s Analytical Division (old Avondale HP Facility), I was; the work production leader when redesigning the Gas and Liquid Chromatography Department, the GC Hi-Pak packager and column tester for custom GC columns, lead man and new employee trainer for the department, and designated fill-in supervisor when needed.

Quite interesting, and your extraction set-up must be extensive to obtain such purity, plus being done in a residence. Or not? Haven’t done GC of anything in past 30 years, but fundamentally about the same.

So what your doing in obtaining the end isolated product is NOT available to purchase anywhere legally? If so, I’d think that the product would be highly regulated if offered at all being 70% THC.

To obtain much quantity, I would seem that you’d need a lot of raw product to receive a much smaller quantity of said finished product? What is your rate of return ratio with this process?

I may have more questions, need to settle down a bit before I review, digest, and think about possible additional questions that usually creep up later (you know like some smoke does). – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dennis – – – Are you planning on redoing this video? – – – Nutter.

namnibor
namnibor

I know this is controversial, but I have a theory of what *could* have happened behind scenes to make Pres. Trump make such an about face on the Transgender Military Ban blurted yesterday via an insensitive tweet.
My theory is since there was such outcry from Vets and VSO’s about proposed cuts to Individual Unemployability (IU) in order to both fund Choice further and to also VA to start extending benefits to ‘Bad Paper Discharges’, I think some bean counters (Shulkin…and *maybe* a Pentagon hack but I am guessing VA Sec. Shulkin), showed POTUS how much $$$$$$$ projected in reassignment and follow-up medical and more it was to cost and by simply eliminating Obama’s legacy of that pronoun issue and military, it was perhaps again, my theory, the perfect bean counter puzzle piece to make it all work?
Don’t know, but wait for it…something does not add-up and wreaks of bean counter and AFGE/Piggies.

(again, only a theory, hypothesis, at best…)

“Transgender airman: ‘I would like to see them try to kick me out of my military”

“http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/transgender-airman-i-would-like-to-see-them-try-to-kick-me-out-of-my-military/ar-AAoSHDK?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Don’t know about that Namnibor,

I believe he was clear about that it was unfair to join the military to have the surgery. With the cost, and all, associated with the AddDicktoMe and LopItOffofMe surgeries. The surgery is not only costly but then there is the two year preparatory counseling with hormone therapy and the additional two years of follow up counseling and maintenance medications. With some cases requiring a life time of therapy.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

With all this talk about smoking, I think I’m going to fire one up and get my boots blown off….Beats waiting for lightning to fix my eyesight …LOL

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

yeah about to pack up a bowl and go enjoy my back deck for awhile, got a team in here installing a new boiler so it’s kinda hectic around here.

namnibor
namnibor

As long as the cats are watching and making sure the team installing boiler are behaving themselves, you should be okay for a tokay.

namnibor
namnibor

excuse me: 1 cat, 2 dogs

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Them ears sure do pick up that noise when your buzzed, I can hear my wristwatch ticking in the next room and I never use any hearing protection when using anything loud..I must have bionic ears >>>LOL….FIRE IN THE BOOOOOOWLLLLLLLLL LATTER ALL….

Windguy
Windguy

Fire in the bowl? Never heard that one before.

I’m jealous. I’ve recently discovered I can’t have any – now that I’ve moved to A LEGAL FUCKING STATE. I’m uber sensitive to mold, and I haven’t found any yet that doesn’t mess me up – same for edibles. Although, the thought of jacking an Epi-Pen after a dozen hits of dizzy might be interesting. Alas – nothing will ever match the thrill of waiting until 8,000 ft when the pilots put on their O2 masks, sparking an O-J, exhaling through the piss tube, and then hitting the mask with 100% O2 at around 10,000ft. Find the Rouge on HF bangin dits and dahs, and illuminating the code signals on an O-Scope, dipping to 4,000 ft and and flying tight shots from multiple vectors keep that flashing inverted V signal in the center of the scope. Pull out the maps and plotter and scales and pull each vector shot off the Inertal Nav System, plot the intersect, convert to UTM – good to ten meters. Call it in. Gotcha. Every sensory input totally jacked.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem pipe
Everybody knows

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

@Windguy

Normally I’d suggest growing your own but if you’re a beginner it probably won’t go well for your first 2-3 grows and that would just be time wasted. I’m not sure how much mold on average is in the average cannabis crop. I suppose it depends on quite a few variables. I’ve been researching for the past several years keeping my eyes on a few different grow sites and grow journals. You tend to pick up a pretty complete education in a short amount of time.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

PPI heartburn drugs found to increase death risk by 50 percent…….What a deal, kill to birds with one pill
And Everybody knoooooooows

NiteWish
NiteWish

OldMarine, Doctors what do they know. Take 1200mg of a calcium tablet every day the doctor wrote so you don’t fracture a bone she’s not informed of the risk for plaque buildup in arteries & heart damage & that in older people it doesn’t make it to the skeleton. -gag-
Also the Coconut palm sugar is delicious, I love it. I like the casein protein too but need to work on how to mix it up without a blender. Thank you very much.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

NiteWish …….casein protein no need to put it in the blender just get a tall glass 5 tea spoons protein or less fill the rest with water and stir I use a long ice tea spoon…I drink about half then I refill it with whole milk ,TRY a little of the Coconut palm sugar in there if you don’t like the taste

NiteWish
NiteWish

Oldmarine, will do it your way, I was going for the milk first, shaking in a jar until almost butter. lol

Windguy
Windguy

ROILDMAN: Got a reference? I’ve heard of PPI issues with bone density etc, but I haven’t found anything regarding 50% mortality increase – and, increase of what. I was on PPIs for over decade after my esophagus was fragged from NDSAIDs.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy
PPI drugs warning: Study finds 50% increased risk of death from long-term use of Proton Pump Inhibitors

Thursday, July 27, 2017 by: Mike Adams
Tags: adverse reactions, Big Pharma, Dangerous Medicine, death risk, drug deaths, Fatalities, medications, PPI drugs, Prescription drugs, Proton pump inhibitors, side effects
“http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-27-ppi-drugs-warning-study-finds-50-increased-risk-of-death-from-long-term-use-of-proton-pump-inhibitors.html”

I don’t take that shit I just put it out for someone like you that was a test subject…. LOL

T
T

“PPI heartburn drugs.” That and others “http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2010/05/26/127132723/fda-warns-about-bone-risks-from-heartburn-drugs”

Classified as PSRs (if I remember correctly) can cause brittle bone disease, does. Got my butt lectured and jumped by a primary care idiot about doing my own research on medical matters or meds: “How’d you know that!?” “You shouldn’t know about that!” I didn’t go to college for medicine or was trained in. Shared that info and about SSRIs in group at times too, same lecture, same attitude and told I may be causing harm to other vets passing along information I didn’t understand. (?) Needful information kills I guess. The spread of info and negative experiences… the main cause of the end of physical meetings here locally.

Better go watch some “Reefer Madness” since some local Drones or spy equipment LEO, or the DoD, has here is watching. lol

NiteWish
NiteWish

T,
VA Rule #1 Severely reprimand any test subject with medical knowledge
Rule #2 Do not allow any test subject to pass along information to any other test subject – severely reprimand

T
T

Nitewish, that’s about the size of it. A tech who quit working at the VA told a few of us that was the main reason for stopping physical meeting groups with various issues like anger, PTSD, chronic pain issues, depression, etc. Then the VA started pushing the teleconferencing crap. It was too difficult to censor, manage, to keep veterans on the issue or topic the VA staff wanted us to stay on when face to face with vets, minus any kind of added info or personal complaints (in hopes of some change), to malpractice or threats. They especially didn’t want to hear complaints over VA staff or SSRIs. Any form of environmental caused illnesses or with depleted uranium use was off limits totally.

“https://www.classaction.com/news/”
“https://www.classaction.com/news/hernia-mesh-pain-lawsuits/”

I’ve talked to quite a few vets with a mesh surgery only to have it go bad on them. Then have to live with the results. Seems that would be another huge story but isn’t. More of that info they don’t want discussed or known of.

Maybe vets could do something with “class actions” since one person or a small group of people can’t get anything done. or noticed in our lying media.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

And everybody knows that the chip is coming
Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But there’s gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows …………..That one hit shit sure did F ME U …….LOL….Nothing like some good factual music

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Damn @OLDMARINE, you’re a thinker when you do the MMJ. Your song makes sense, until you took your third hit. LoL – – – Please don’t hurt my feelings, Nutter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

ANutter………”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IfmiKnZi3E”……Leonard Cohen – Everybody Knows …LOL

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

huzzah have my house back to myself for the day

91Veteran
91Veteran

Given prior votes on this issue, how this amendment was added and how it was removed, this was nothing more than a cowardly, sneaky bastard move by some politician to protect his donations from Pig Pharma.

Given their financial disclosures, it could have been any one of them.

It would be nice to figure out who killed this so they could explain why it’s ok for veterans to gobble down fistsful of the VAs toxic crap rather than eliminating them with medical MJ.

PS. I must say the McClatchy article is interesting about what it says about veterans losing benefits of found to be using medical MJ. Seems to be another policy VA providers can’t seem to follow.

T
T

91Veteran, Bingo… Big Pharma and critter’s money dumps (money stashing) in DC and state governments pockets, especially in Indiana with Lilly, Pfizer, and the other giants located here. They keep throwing money around for studies, far left winger universities and agendas to look good, to some sheep. As the FDA keeps passing bad drugs for them to depopulate the nation with. What a full scale scam our more recent generations and corrupt poly-ticks left us with.

We could try this but I found ‘they’ all don’t care about petitions or who signed them unless it’s signed by some from the upper crust of society:
“https://obamacareexemption.act.teapartypatriots.org/”

It’s like we were never really free from England with the kings, lords. Easy to see from the “social classes” and special privileges/laws for the well connected, wealthy, Hollyweird, the corrupt, and those in government, etc.

Wanna puke?
Indiana going to pass cannabis for epilepsy;
“http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/medicinal-cannabis-registry-launches-epileptic-hoosiers-124437/”

Little known agendas and info about Obummer the Kenyan care:
“Today’s headlines with John B. Wells.”
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4SjpoJZhSE&feature=em-uploademail”

Congress and scum refuse to even pass a ‘read the bills act’ while Pelosi and her scum with her claim bills must be passed before we know whats in them. Who ever votes such trash like here and “Songbird” back into office for so long should be put in stocks, or exiled. Stinking local communist news fails to report why insurance companies are backing out of Obummer care or mention why it’s a big failure. Oh, they don’t want to hurt his historical records or image with the rest of the RINOs, syndicates, and communist in DC and state gov/med boards/LEOs. They all want to be heroes in the history books since it’s mentioned so much.

To hell with vets, they all need to bow to the scum in the country. Apparently.
The free loading mother from Brooklyn that exemplifies Obummer care and Hillary lovers. Socialism and communism, big brother is so fantastic. Indiana is full of them, not the mere 400.000 they claim that need Obummer/Hillary care.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjSFJnvZclY”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@01Veteran – – – And why does the public have access to MMJ legally? Like me, what happens when my trust is totally zapped from the VA for taking away a medication that has proved to work, and I didn’t abuse the medication when it was prescribed to me. And, I had additional refills left on my script. That’s my proof that I wasn’t pill popping all the time. Plus, at first this med was prescribed at a max dosage, and the end dosage was half the amount. Someone making money, and at the same time using Veterans to fill their pockets. This absolutely makes no sense.

namnibor
namnibor

Breaking News: Sadly, the young man killed in last night’s Ohio State Fair amusement ride tragedy *just* enlisted in the U.S. Marines last Friday after spending 3 years in Junior ROTC in High School. His name was Tyler Jarrell of Columbus, OH.

I know The Marines will do what’s right but as far as his family, and friends left behind, I think they could use our prayers.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Damn shame. Prayers spoken.
I’m sure Jarrell’s interest in flying was not perceived like that, his final exit though granted that wish to fly.
I traveled around with a carnival. I know how these rides are put together & that the games are rigged.

namnibor
namnibor

That’s why I have pretty much refrained from ‘Spin You Round Make You Vomit Rides”, and that even includes any rollercoaster that spins/loops. I have ruined too many of other’s rides in past in life through centrifugal velocity vomit expulsion to where it’s: 1) For everyone else’s safety, and 2) I absolutely loathe vomiting, and 3) I too, have had a good friend in past that spent a few Summers traveling with such carnivals, local/state, and he even said by knowing how old some are, stressors, and how their put together and *barely* inspected, more of a pencil-whip.

But we all have an unknown expiration date and it could even come from some asshole working at Kellogg’s assembly line, pissing in the cornflakes, which really happened just last year…no idea if anyone died, but he was caught on surveillance camera doing this more than once…wtf is wrong with people these days?

Anyway, this was indeed a freak of an accident and all such named rides “Fire Ball” and derivatives of Dutch company that makes them have been “grounded” everywhere on Earth *except* VSO and VA sponsored community carnivals for area veterans… “Fire Ball”, the VA gets you coming or going, either way.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Namnibor, Thank you for protecting the ground walkers from possible projectile grossness.
The with deepest sympathy card came today for my main coon. They included 4 inked footprints perhaps to compensate for the $100 they would have charge to be there during the injected or for the not paying $125 for the ashes because they group cremate & whatever the other charges $$ they would have tacked on for the ‘service’. sigh~~~

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

lol some dude got caught pissing in the cornflakes. I mean it’s terrible but I cant stop snickering.

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