Tortured Islamic Terrorists Get Day In Court, Iraq Burn Pit Veterans Get Denied

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Iraq Burn Pit

Burn pit veterans are denied their day in court against the contractor responsible for the burn pits, but Islamic terrorists will get their day in court to sue the contractors who designed waterboarding.

So, veterans who fought in the war will not see their day in court but the Islamic terrorists they fought against will get their day in court when suing generally untouchable DOD government contractors.

How is that for irony? And why do you think the outcome is so different?

Stated another way, veterans of the Iraq War who were terminally injured or dead from exposure to burn pit gases will not be able to sue the former Halliburton company, called Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), responsible for operating the burn pits.

RELATED: Court Deals Major Blow To Veterans Suiting Over Burn Pits

Meanwhile, the terrorists tortured by CIA operatives using waterboarding techniques designed by two psychologists will be able to bring their lawsuit to trail against those government contractors.

RELATED: Judge Orders CIA Interrogation Lawsuit To Trial In Washington State

Sound fair? What is the general background?

Both government contractors were involved in harmful actions while fighting the War on Terror and contracted by arms of the DOD to further that mission. So what happened?

Burn Pit Decision

The burn pits created and operated by KBR were known to be harmful but the company operated them anyway at the direction of the federal government. Tens of thousands of soldiers were affected and unknown numbers of veterans were injured from the fumes. Many have since died from cancer or other conditions at abnormally young ages.

The judge in the KBR case refused to let it go to trial because he claims the decision to use the burn pits was solely a military decision that is beyond the jurisdiction of the court. US District Court Judge Roger W. Titus said KBR could not be held liable for what citing what he believed was essentially a military decision to use burn pits for waste disposal.

Judge Titus further elaborated, “The decision to use the burn pits was not made by the contractors” but the military. KBR merely implemented the plan as directed by the military.

Waterboarding Decision

Waterboarding designed by the CIA contractors, while working for the DOD, allegedly killed one person and injured maybe a few hundred alleged terrorists. The contractors who developed the techniques participated in at least one waterboarding session but their techniques were otherwise implemented by CIA outside their direction.

According to the Miami Herald:

The lawyers [for the CIA contractors] had argued that the lawsuit should be dismissed for a list of reasons.

During the hearing, lawyer Brian Paszamant told the judge that simply providing a memo to the CIA suggesting interrogation methods does not make them guilty of aiding and abetting torture. The CIA set up the prisons, chose the detainees, decided who conducted the interrogations and who was present, Paszamant said.

Lawyer Jim Smith said the program was directly controlled by the U.S. government, not the psychologists.

The judge rejected those arguments, saying the evidence supports the claims that the psychologists recommended “enhanced interrogation techniques” and “advocated for waterboarding as a convincing measure,” the judge said.

The evidence is undisputed that the psychologists administered those techniques on the CIA’s first detainee, Abu Zubaydah, including waterboarding, the judge said.

Jessen was physically involved in Rahman’s interrogation, the judge said.

“Defendants have not established they merely acted at the direction of the government, within the scope of their authority, and that such authority was legally and validly conferred,” the judge said.

ACLU lawyer Ladin said the psychologist were paid $81 million for their help to the government. “The defendants were the primary profiteers of this program from the beginning to the end,” he said.

So, KBR is off the hook because the DOD ultimately directed their overt actions. No trial for the veterans.

The terror suspects will go to trial because the CIA contractors allegedly participated in one waterboarding incident at the direction of CIA/DOD.

Alleged terrorists get their day in court. Veterans do not.

More Irony?

The greatest irony could occur if the tortured terrorists are successful in their lawsuit, which could open the door for Iraq War veterans in their lawsuit, at least in theory, since KBR overtly managed and implemented the majority of burn pits.

I am curious to hear what your thoughts are on this matter without sharing what I think.

Discuss…

Jo3n

Judge Titus said he had no jurisdiction. Then went on to say, if the military knew of the dangers and choose to do it, it’s not KID’s fault. Sounds like a lot of people knew what the results would be. If he didn’t have jurisdiction, who? The torture, the fact that CIA was there…. Bet they were at the Pit also. I would like to hear from the surviving Veterans of this crime. God Bless the Veterans and their families..

ex
ex
Not only sad, but the ignorance of believing the lungs can filter burning jet fuel with catch all burn everything breathe it, eat it and sleep in it. Read military warned contractors of safety’s, but also ignored. That may be reason to sue contractors, along with studies by non federal gov scientists. Common sense and fire scene regs and training non existent. This is too sad and disturbing, I can’t believe the ignorance and greed why this even happened in… Read more »
Ex
Ex

Update D.C. Director unfired. When will legislative branches give up on trying to fix medical centers. Now demand it. Just heard on news.

Jo3n

Above should be KBR’s, not KID’s

Lem
Lem
Falls back on VA and military. Action was started but against the wrong parties. The military should have been included in the suit. Many suffered damage beyond the VAs normal compensation route of “disability compensation claims.” The Judge had jurisdiction. The attorneys just didn’t name all the defendants. They should have named the military also and let the attorneys from DOJ and KBR fight out responsibility. The victims would then have had DOJ in the pinch of having to fight… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Your right Lem..It is cheaper to buy the attorneys out, they like that fast guaranteed buck…..And don’t forget those judges they get a cut also , … ..I told my divorce lawyer it was a kangaroo court, Well he didn’t like that to much but F$$K H$M.. thats perty bad when I have to study the law after I paid someone….It’s always about GREED $ GREED $ GREED..LOL….WHEN THERE IS NO JUSTICE THEIR IS JUST-US…..

Warhorse
Warhorse

“We the people” no longer applies. Should be re-worded to say ” We the corporation”. Fuck the VA and DOD.

namnibor
namnibor
United Corporations of America….ever since ‘Citizen’s United’, it’s official. Veterans are the peasants delivering the toxic weaponry and going in harms-way for the elite with their nervous twitchy gaming fingers on the ‘Stratego’ or Chessboard game piece on the war room maps. In the near future, the DOD will instead use armies of drones, like insects, to deliver nanobots to do their bidding. If we only utilized such technology to end homelessness and grow food and clean water for all… Read more »
ex
ex

That’s funny from flint watersports.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

When I first started to read Ben’s “op-ed”, the first thing that came to mind was – “Is the CIA involved?”
Then, later in the piece, there it was! The CIA was involved!
Y’all remember that little group who assassinated President Kennedy! About 10 days AFTER he said he was going to “…break the CIA into a thousand pieces!” During his televised speech!

Windguy
Windguy

sshhhhh

Genius H Kennard
Genius H Kennard

They should have been shipped back over seas immediately! I believe those stupid lawyers & the judge are marked that’s not patriotic whatsoever. All of these stupid stupid laws are going to kill us all one day!

namnibor
namnibor
What if the scenario were such that those Islamic terrorists filing suit against USA for being waterboarded had utilized all the crap from a burn pit to construct a dirty bomb that blew-up in Judge Roger Titus’s home state and city here in USA? Perspective is everything. So is the dollar amount for plausible deniability and that’s all this is ultimately about, just a modern day Agent Orange event, the Veterans are considered disposable…and I know that sounds harsh as… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor,
Maybe it’s time for ALL the military personnel to retire from active duty!
When their time is set to “ETS”, get the fuck out!
Let all the “Congress Critters” do the bidding of going to war

Genius H Kennard
Genius H Kennard

Matter of fact ask the judge next time before you so-called torture a

terrorist (Ahhh judge can i do this to him?) Is that to hard judge? Can

i file his nails? Can i wash his feet? Can i comb his hair? It’s all about

profit and nothing else!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

From: “Military.com/Daily News”
Dated: 9 August 2017
Titled;
“Vets More at Risk of Opiod Abuse in Private Care: Inspector General”

by: Richard Sisk.

It’s about how “outside healthcare providers”, when vets use Choice, aren’t communicating with VHA officials/physicians! Basically saying, there’s a higher risk of overdose by vets. Because the outside healthcare providers don’t know about service connected disabilities! (paraphrasing what I understood from the article!)

namnibor
namnibor
I saw that and what it’s really all about but they conveniently sidestep the elephant in the room is the VA does not participate in active database systems them talk to civilian private medical…unless it’s a major university medical center where the VA can make $$$ from. In a nutshell: The VA does not update nor talk to other electronic systems outside the VA making it easier for a “potential drug-seeking behavior patient” situation and thus, overprescribing, The VA refusing… Read more »
ex
ex
Dr shopping. VA looking to blame elsewhere from their participation of drug diversion and over prescribing opioids. Yes I seen vets dancing in halls when they got their roxys etc. Even had 1 at pharmacy line tell me to get something stronger after I had a surgical procedure. It was plenty strong So one has to think how strong were they receiving n y hanging out at pharmacy pickup asking what u got and saying go back tell em u… Read more »
ex
ex
They kept trying to get me to go to pain clinic, I went and confronted a nurse abt procedure that was malpractice so to speak mildly, she tried to get in my face for even mentioning it. Snowflake back off. Then a vet using a walker comes to me says he been waiting for hip placement a couple years and pain was intense all while that nurse standing there. Lol he wanted me to put her lights out I think.… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
The terrorist must have been elevated to a cabinet level post like VA. Terrorists kill American vets. So does VA. Terrorists refuse to answer questions about it. So does VA. Terrorists have rights in court that veterans do not. So does VA. Terrorism despite untold human tragedy has an ability to flourish and grow. So does VA. Terrorists lie, cheat, steal, maim, and kill. So does VA. I conclude therefor that terrorism must be a cabinet level posting designed “To… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
Only Morons Believe What The US Government Says About North Korea Political IQ test: What does it mean when CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and the President’s Twitter account all agree that a foreign state poses a suddenly increased threat to America? A) If they all agree it must be true! B) Well I dislike some of those outlets, but I trust one of them. C) The US intelligence community would never lie to us. D) Hmm… this sounds an awful… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy

Onward Christian soldiers
marching as to war…..

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

OLDMARINE,
I wonder what kind of “horrendous act(s)” the CIA, or other agency, will pull to get America into a full blown war, conventional or otherwise (nuclear?), with North Korea!?
This seems to be their “modus operandi” before sending troops “boots on ground” to DIE or be maimed or ????????!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Guam has nothing to worry about. It is protected by the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system. A system designed and implemented to protect against such threats such as a North Korea missile attack. Oh, oh, wait a minute that’s right the prime contractor on the THAAD system is Lockheed Martin. Now that does give the folks in Guam something to worry about. That is if there is any truth in the news coming out of those Weapons of… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Guam would have more to worry about if Halliburton decided to build a massive Pacific Headquarters for yet another offshore, non-prying eyes, staging war profiteering machine on Guam.
From my understanding, THAAD has *yet* to be truly tested in a real-live rogue or test flight….kind of really odd. My guess is THAAD is much more than just THAAD.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
It’s all about the quandollies ($$$$). “N. Korea crisis spurs surge in global missile defense requests to Lockheed Martin” Published time: 9 Aug, 2017 03:04 “https://www.rt.com/usa/399028-lockheed-martin-defense-missile-systems/” ” The Pentagon’s top weapons supplier, Lockheed Martin, says that customers’ requests for missile defense systems are rising, and North Korea’s continued threats as well as the US reaction may be responsible. Acquiring missile defense systems is at the top of some countries’ to-do list, as interest has risen over the last 12 to… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

GOOD VIDEO

ex
ex
Only one concern, there will be no boots on the ground this is nuke based. And king pu of n Korea is not a stable guy. Yes they advanced there arsenal while we avoided some precautions that could of been put in defensive positions. Yes we can flatten them. But catastrophic shit will happen. In the background for one Iran. Time for US to wake up, be example for diplomacy turn off the bandits of war profit quit taking on… Read more »
NiteWish
NiteWish

ex, a read a news article, something about privatizing the afghan war, & that it would save billions. Didn’t look much into it but that was the jest of it. smucks & war mongers

namnibor
namnibor

I’ve heard the formerly named private black ops army for hire “Blackwater” name in the news on NPR and other places last three days or so of marked increased regularity and their current name, which escapes my brain now…remember that scandal? Just like VA whack a mole employees that show-up elsewhere, Blackwater simply changed their name and stripes. Would not surprise me one bit. Smells of McCain and Graham.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde
So basically what I’m reading is this. Sorry Mr. Veteran we’re all out of help for you. We’re too busy shipping help by the pallet load to a bunch of Muzzie towel head terrorists because we got a few of them wet. It amazes me why anybody would voluntarily sign up for the armed forces anymore in this day and age. Personally if my health was impacted to a serious degree by exposure to burn pits. I’d start looking at… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy

Oh – it gets better Unmanageable Adolescent. The news today is that there are 100 opiod deaths per day. Heck, that’s five times the number of veterans who pop themselves. See? We’re in great fucking shape.

namnibor
namnibor

Of those 100, I wonder if 25% are Veterans? Or is anyone really keeping tally unless it benefits filling the $$$ coffers under guise of VA Suicide Prevention Programs?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
Nuclear False Flag Brewing, Brought to You by US Military If Guam is soon blown away by a nuke, as the MSM says may happen, don’t assume it came from North Korea, whatever the MSM says: “What matters for the purpose of this consideration is not whether or not North Korea does in fact have long-range nuclear capability, what matters is that the US war machine wants you to think that it does right now. A narrative is being constructed,… Read more »
Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde
I don’t believe for a second that Kim Jong Un is that stupid or crazy. A strike on Guam would accomplish nothing except provoke a war that he can’t win. He’d have more of a body count if he was able to mount his limited number of warheads on his limited number of ICBM’s and strike at mainland America. I think last count put his stockpile at around 60 or so viable nukes, not counting if they have figured out… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Also, the timing of this entire thing…chronological timing, as in Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this particular month back in 40’s, still is emotionally and nationally recognized by Japan and by N. Korea even creating the dialog and psyops of the nuclear subject to the fore is a propaganda win/win for N. Korea if you look at it that way. Also, on Guam we have an advanced ICBM intercept system conveniently there for the “testing”, as it’s supposedly never been used… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Your right

Windguy
Windguy

OM – certainly a concern, but I’m going to throw some shade on this one. China has too many assets in the region that could easily track the source. I also don’t see Japan complicit in the game either and they too would know the source, and likely the residuals/isotopic origins. I will however give you points for mistrust in government. This government.

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

@Windguy you’re certainly on point with your assessment of tracking capabilities. But, honestly, Who’s going to listen when there are nukes in the air? And who’s going to be left to do anything about it if the situation devolves into a full on global nuclear exchange?

NiteWish
NiteWish

*

Donald Avant
Donald Avant

DAM…$81 M…Let me get in on this…I know LOTS of ways to get ANYONE to say ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO.
That having been said (tongue firmly in cheek ) we all know that torture is wrong AND unreliable…We should place the blame where it belongs…

cj
cj

Big surprise, fuck you gi Joe/Jane!!

Aww you poor lil moooslum pull start, did the big bad scary spook make you peeeee?

We’ll show them, 150 Billion and one month in the Hilton of your choice.

You swore to uphold the Constitution, meanwhile, judge tits r us, swore he has the Constitution to hold you up!

-!¡¡!-

cj
cj

Where the hell did I put those bacon wrapped lapua tips? BWLT’s. -!¡¡!-

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

screw the bacon wrap just slap in some hollow points filled with pigs blood. Could use dead and diseased pig carcasses as area denial weapons.

namnibor
namnibor
@Wyldechylde- on those “hollow points filled with pigs blood…”, the bacon wrap is essential for lubricating the barrel for the next pigs blood special. Plus, bacon burning is considered aromatherapy to those with high sensitivities. 🙂 I recently received a coffee mug from a veteran owned coffee co. called Black Riffle Coffee Co. for a recent birthday that simply states in bold words on the tin cup, “Fuck Your Sensitivities”. 🙂 I suggest that the U.S. Gov’t. utilize this type… Read more »
Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

Yeah but…it’s a waste of good bacon…

Ex va
Ex va
So, if i understand this correctly it seems the enemy has more rights than the soldier when it comes to deliberate acts of injury???? The burn pits were contracted out and the contractor disposed the weapons in a way that caused us to have increased our chances of cancers and other neurological disorders and other diseases. While the enemy we were fighting gets to have their day in court for their damages sustained while we were at war. This is… Read more »
ex
ex

Please tell me N Koreans think they going to get lots of virgins if they cause carnage and die too. It seems like that’s popular.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

No they don’t get the 71 virgins. For them it is 69 puggie Filipino Ladyboys.

cj
cj

Lmaooo!

namnibor
namnibor

I just imagined Dennis Rodman’s face on each of the 69 pudgy Filipino Ladyboys. Why, I have absolutely no idea.
But they do indeed just love Dennis Rodman in N. Korea. That’s a country not ashamed of flaunting their freak.

If the N. Korean Leader had any brains, he would hold Dennis Rodman hostage for billions of $$$ in a Dr. Evil kind of way then we could just say…keep him. LOL 🙂

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

A “little” off subject, yet noteworthy!
This is slowly coming out into the light yesterday and today.
Google:

“DOJ Offers Plea Deal For Hillary Clinton!”

I just watched a short utube video from “411 Report”. In the video, which references both “The Daily Wire” AND “NewsMax”, she’s basically given “a pass” over everything her and Bill has done!
When I googled the title, other news outlets had articles about this; “TruNews” etc,.

Here’s a direct link:
“http://youtu.be/9Kyy4PjutX0”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

P.S.
I always thought a person had to be charged with a crime, before a plea deal was offered!

I guess it’s true. The Clinton’s get preferential treatment! All she has to do is sign on the dotted line, letting everyone know she’s guilty, and the DOJ won’t prosecute!

I guess the blindfold has been stripped from “Lady Justice!” There’s definitely a “dual standard in our justice system!” If your name is Clinton, you cannot be charged with criminal activities!

namnibor
namnibor

Crazy elf-

Remember, I told you the Clintons have Kevlar tampons and toilet paper. Although Bill Clinton managed to not have any problem getting out of his own Kevlar but wait, that was just a cigar…silly me.

NiteWish
NiteWish
On August 2, the Vice Chairman of the federal Merit Systems Protection Board ordered a stay of VA’s removal of the former director of the Washington, D.C. VA Medical Center. MSPB’s stay order requires VA to return Brian Hawkins, fired on July 28, to work pending the Office of Special Counsel’s review of Hawkins’ claim that he was wrongly terminated. VA has complied with the order and returned Hawkins to the payroll, but to an administrative position at the VA… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@NiteWish- Thanks. Whack-A-Mole Gameboard Pieces ready, where they land, nobody knows!

An “administrative position”…where Hawkins could easily screw-up many Veteran’s Claim Files or some other damage from another location, same incompetent asswipe.

Using VA Logic, the VA will make Hawkins in charge of procurement of ALL VHA Medical Supplies….wait for it…

namnibor
namnibor

Oh, so much for “easy peasy firing of AFGE Asshats”…that entire MSPB system keeps the Whacky Mole Game in constant dice throws.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Mental Health Inc. book is now being distributed. I just received a call from Barnes and Noble informing me that the book is in for pick-up. – – – Nutter.

Frank
Frank
Is it anything but a no-brainer? Veterans do not get our day in court, by denying Islamic Terrirists theirs. Thomas More: …And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned around on you–where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast–man’s laws, not God’s–and if you cut them down…d’you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil… Read more »
Denis Colomb
Denis Colomb

Unfortunately the contractors are not liable for the choice as the government directed it. As much as it sucks the judge is correct. This will be one on those shitty things the military did but no one can sue them. The people who made the decision, most likely against the contractors input, should be brought up on charges. But that will never happen

Under water basket weaver
Under water basket weaver

On a similar, somewhat ironic note, inside sources are saying the va is encouraging managers to consider liability insurance in case they are sued or need legal counsel for work related issues that needs additional resources beyond what general counsel can support.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
Brian Williams: ‘Our Job is to Scare People to Death’ Over NKorea Fake news reporter admits plan to control narrative Jamie White | Infowars.com – August 9, 2017 Despite the fact that President Trump and North Korea’s leader have already been exchanging fiery rhetoric over the last few months, the mainstream media continues to fulfill their real purpose: to stoke fears among the people to make them more willing to give up rights in exchange for government protection. [ It’s… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
The Army chief of staff wants you to get a head start on preparing for the next big war By: Meghann Myers …..ARMY TIMES Urban warfare. Near-peer adversaries. Russia. Korea. rat’s cockroaches, termites, flea’s, ticks, Zita virus, rabid raccoons…And cant forget the lions, tigers and bears Those buzz words are in the news constantly, so Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley wants bookworm soldiers to brush up on what they mean for the future of the military…$$$$$$$ for the… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Damn! Not the dreaded Rabid Raccoons! Please give the Rabid Raccoons some of that Thai stick to temper their tempers.
Nasty, vile, deceptively cuddly-wuddly creatures.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Personally, regarding Ben’s request for us to consider and state how we feel about the court decisions. Where individuals who were suspected of having connections to terrorism, and were tortured, being able to pursue justice through the courts. While Veterans, and their families, are not allowed to pursue justice for exposures and subsequent health consequences caused by the Veterans exposures through the use of burn pits. If justice is served for the torture victims it will certainly be a deterrent… Read more »
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