VA Proposes Employees Can Profit From For-Profit Colleges

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For Profit College Regulations

The Department of Veterans Affairs has proposed a waiver to 50-year-old anti-corruption law that prevents certain VA employees from also profiting from for-profit colleges.

The proposal allows certain employees to receive “wages, salary, dividends, profits, gratuities” and services. VA employees could own stock in these colleges, and “the Secretary [of Veterans Affairs] has determined that no detriment will result to the United States, veterans or eligible persons from such activities.”

According to VA’s explanation at the Federal Register:

In current practice, however, that statute has illogical and unintended consequences, in that it requires the removal of any VA employee who has any connection to a for-profit educational institution that students attend under a VA education benefits program. As an example, a literal reading of the statute would require the removal of a VA lab technician who takes a class, on her own time and using her own money, at a for-profit educational institution that is also attended by students using VA education benefits. It would also require the removal of a VA physician who teaches an introductory biology class at such a school. The statute applies retroactively, in that it requires VA to remove employees who have no current connection to a for-profit institution but took or taught a class at one at any time during their VA employment. Applying this statute to VA employees who have not engaged in any real conflict of interest would be unjust and detrimental to VA’s ability to serve veterans.

Certain veterans’ advocates were reportedly blindsided by the proposal:

News of the proposed rule blindsided veterans’ advocates who have battled for years against predatory colleges, many of which have used aggressive marketing techniques to become leading recipients of GI Bill money.

“Bizarre and very likely illegal,” said Carrie Wofford, president of Veterans Education Success, a nonprofit group that has bailed out veterans who found themselves unemployed and deep in debt after attending for-profit schools.

“There are federal laws – including federal criminal laws – that prohibit federal employees from engaging in this exact behavior,” she said.

What do you think of the proposed change? Is this good for veterans or good for VA employees? Or, is this a workaround engineered by the for-profit industry to allow a greater foothold into the agency?

Source: https://www.revealnews.org/blog/trump-administration-seeks-to-legalize-payoffs-to-va-officials-by-for-profit-schools/

Donald Avant

It’s illegal for a reason…It’s a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Changing the legality isn’t going to make it any less of a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Any VA employee that works for a for-profit should be charged with Conspiracy to Defraud…

91Veteran
91Veteran

Why is this any different than a VA doctor using veterans as test subjects, then profiting off the sale of some new drug?

James Clement
James Clement
Good Grief! As if all the other illegal scams such as stealing veteran’s pain-killers, falsifying wait lists, denying veterans due benefits for years on valid claims, etc. were not enough, now we will have VA employees investing in these for profit “educational institutions” in order to make more money . . . As Donald Avant pointed out – – – pure conflict of interest. Any guesses as to which schools will be forced upon veterans for Chapter 31 Rehab in… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Semper fi, my brother: Your ideas, for the most part are the same as the rest of us veterans have in mind. There are existing laws, (Federal Statutes), which prevent such conflict of interest situations wherein persons who have an interest can be PROSECUTED. POOP OR GET OFF THE POT, MR. SECRETARY OR WE REMOVE YOU FROM THE TOILET SEAT. Get rid of the bureaucracy, (properly named the “BOOBACRACY”) AND GIVE VETS THE SAME PRIVATE STANDARD OF MEDICAL CARE WHICH… Read more »
Roger Savage Duke
Roger Savage Duke

If VA officials and colleges hadn’t screwed the pooch to begin with, there would have been no need for the law. After WWII you could have gone to any college you were accepted to and the VA would have paid the tuition. But colleges created “ghost students” and getting reimbursed. Same old swamp creature stuff. I don’t think your lowly VA employees are going to be scamming the system. That crap is for the higher pay scales.

91Veteran
91Veteran
VA SESers might be doing the scamming, but if that is the case, they will certainly push lower employees to do whatever is needed to maximize the scam. I can see VA SESers pushing certain employees to recommend certain schools. Why would this be any different than the wait time bonus fraud? You can damn well bet that many VA directors put unwritten policies in place that caused lower level employees to work around written policies to game the wait… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

“[…Or, is this a workaround engineered by the for-profit industry to allow a greater foothold into the agency?…]”
Sounds like the for-profit-colleges are wanting some of that gov’t. employee welfare works program $$$$ and the engorged VA SES’ers desire to rake-in more blood money. Fuck Off, VA.

namnibor
namnibor

Let me add, VA VOC REHAB guidance counselors will be *only* approving plans involving Univ. of Phoenix and the likes….if it’s a brick and mortar and the VA Upper Management Investors cannot glean some more blood $$$, not approved…wait for it…rat bastards!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

With ALL the other crap “Shithead Shulkin” has gotten away with, this is just one more slap in the face towards veterans AND TAXPAYERS,
(Especially the taxpayers)!

namnibor
namnibor
@Crazy elf — I actually think it’s much worse than another slap in face, it’s more like taking a nail gun to Veteran’s balls. Predatory Lending is done by those that are indeed Predators, and these for-profit, war-profiteering G.I. Bill stealing questionable accreditation colleges…and a HUGE amount of them are in Insane McCain’s State of AZ…am thinking the congress critters will also benefit from this predatory lending…and Dept. of Ed. and our Congressional Critter Veteran’s Committees and Piggy VSO’s should… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Your assessment is correct, namnibor.
I’ll bet, if this was investigated, one would find MANY “Congress Critters” benefiting substantially from these “for-profit colleges”!
Plus, now that “Shithead Shulkin” is claiming VA employees are allowed to financially benefit from these “Scam Institutions”, frauds and abuses will more likely than NOT triple.
Just another day at the VA’s MASSIVE fraud, waste and abuse counter!

namnibor
namnibor

VA is likely wanting to “partner” with these predatory colleges so they can also invite the AFGE into their lair…you have to invite a vampire in and once in, well, better have garlic handy with that uncooked chicken.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Yes, brother, what is known better in the Corps as a well set up “AMBUSH”

91Veteran
91Veteran

What better way to invite the AFGE in than to encourage them to become teachers in these schools? I could even see them double-dipping by getting paid full time by the VA while getting paid full time to teach during their normal duty hours.

namnibor
namnibor

You have seen my vision as well. The AFGE: Resistance Is Futile. 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Meaning, the AFGE are ‘Borg’-like, in needing to continually absorb, grow, like a blobby amoeba of dues-paying engorged purple teams. 🙂

James Clement
James Clement

I believe your assessment to be quite correct. Just another to further spread AFGE corruption across the “government of the people, by the people, for the people” thereby further “globalizing our glorious cuntry.

Ever receive my just benefits – – – I’ll become an expat on the double. Don’t even recognize the country I grew up in anymore.

James Clement
James Clement

Correction: Should read “Just another way to” . . .

Dennis
Dennis

“The Department of Veterans Affairs has proposed a waiver to 50-year-old anti-corruption law that prevents certain VA employees from also profiting from for-profit colleges.”

and in other breaking news…. VA has been accused of corruption, 1921, 1937, 1949, 1951-1953, 1964-1967, 1973, 1978, 1988-1989, 1990(all of it), 2001-present. Now back to you Jane, you ignorant slut.

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

DENNIS:
Again BRILLIANT, as well as well thought out and funny, but not really funny because it refers to so many vets who have been killed after suffering battlefield wounds only to come home and be killed by the very persons vets fought to protect…….
Prosecute them and them take them for one last tour of the real swamp. (Remember the movie wherein the National Guard was up against the good ole boys in the Cajun swamp???
Keep hammering them, brother!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dennis, you must be referring to Jane Congressman being asked to approve this nonsense.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
After reviewing the proposed changes and the applicable laws that are affected. It is clear that the changes are being made solely to benefit Veterans Administration’s employees, for-profit medical schools and State regulators connected to those schools. Not only will this increase the cost of medical care but it will also insure a reduction in the quality of health care nationally. If this change is allowed to happen not only will the quality of Veteran Health care severely decline but… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
VA National Education for Employees Program (VANEEP) VANEEP provides scholarships to employees pursuing degrees or training in health care disciplines for which recruitment and retention of qualified personnel is difficult. VANEEP provides scholarship and replacement salary funding to VA facilities to allow certain scholarship participants who are enrolled full-time in an approved education program to accelerate their degree completion by attending school full time. VANEEP participants agree to work at their VA facility during academic breaks and, in return, receive… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

EMPLOYEE INCENTIVE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM
1. REASON FOR ISSUE: This Veterans Health Administration (VHA) Directive is issued to implement the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Employee Incentive Scholarship Program (EISP) as authorized in Title 38 United States Code (U.S.C). §§7631 to 7636 and 7671 to 7675.

“https://www.va.gov/vhapublications/ViewPublication.asp?pub_ID=2241”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
In 38 U.S.C. 3034(a)(1), 3241(a)(1), and 3323(a)(1), Congress generally has made the provisions of chapter 36, including section 3683, applicable also to VA education benefits under chapters 30, 32, and 33 or title 38, United States Code. Accordingly, the requirements of section 3683 apply to for-profit institutions in which an eligible person or veteran was pursuing a program of education or course under chapter 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, or 36 of title 38. The waiver discussed in this notice… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

The VA National Education for Employees Program (VANEEP) is funded under authorization of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Employee Incentive Scholarship Program (EISP) as authorized in Title 38 United States Code. The proposed changes would allow the VA to use for Profit Colleges for these programs.

The wordage on the proposed changes includes “which the eligible person(s) or veteran(s) were receiving benefits under any of those chapters.”

The key words being “eligible person(s)”.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

IF I read you correctly, Seymore.
This could be a push to a more stringent “Single Payer [Socialist] Healthcare System”! The kind implemented in Venezuela a few years back!

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

This hold only be a program for vets to benefit by hen they are hired as VA employees

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Not sure of your meaning Flotmorton.

But in an effort to be clearer on what I am stating. The proposal is to circumvent provisions of 38 U.S.C. 3683 Regarding Conflicting interests.

Currently the provisions of 38 U.S.C. 3683 prevents the Veterans Administration for paying for any Veteran or Veteran Administration Employee’s education at any For-Profit-School under the following conditions.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

§3683. Conflicting interests

(a) Every officer or employee of the Department of Veterans Affairs who has, while such an officer or employee, owned any interest in, or received any wages, salary, dividends, profits, gratuities, or services from, any educational institution operated for profit in which an eligible person or veteran was pursuing a program of education or course under this chapter or chapter 34 or 35 of this title shall be immediately dismissed from such officer’s or employee’s office or employment.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
(b) If the Secretary finds that any person who is an officer or employee of a State approving agency has, while such person was such an officer or employee, owned any interest in, or received any wages, salary, dividends, profits, gratuities, or services from, an educational institution operated for profit in which an eligible person or veteran was pursuing a program of education or course under this chapter or chapter 34 or 35 of this title, the Secretary shall discontinue… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

(c) A State approving agency shall not approve any course offered by an educational institution operated for profit, and, if any such course has been approved, shall disapprove each such course, if it finds that any officer or employee of the Department of Veterans Affairs or the State approving agency owns an interest in, or receives any wages, salary, dividends, profits, gratuities, or services from, such institution.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

(d) The Secretary may, after reasonable notice and public hearings, waive in writing the application of this section in the case of any officer or employee of the Department of Veterans Affairs or of a State approving agency, if the Secretary finds that no detriment will result to the United States or to eligible persons or veterans by reasons of such interest or connection of such officer or employee.

91Veteran
91Veteran
Seymore, that language right there means there is zero need for this rule change based on the bullshit the VA is pushing. If the VA secretary can waive it, then why would they go through the work of removing a lab tech who attended a class years before? I think this is an instance of the VA pushing this rule change, without knowing what the existing rule says. Ben, I think this would be an excellent FOIA request. Request how… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

…and within a few years, there will be certain people going before Congress asking for GI Bill benefits to be increased.

windguy
windguy

Hey – if congress can profit from insider trading – heck – what’s wrong with those little folk at the VA getting in on some action? Loves me some free markets, liberty, democracy, false-flag-wavin. yessiree. Amerka – finest cuntry on earth.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Right on windguy. With using Insider Trader Information, Congress Critters are able to boost up their portfolio so that they’re able to retire nicely. And now, a possible means for the Mid to Upper Management of the VA to become wealthy almost without effort. VA from me to you; fuck you, you sorry ass mother fuckers. You’ve not consistently focused on my health care for over 2 years. In your eyes I’m fine. Yet, I can’t stabilize myself, to securely… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

An interesting read, “http://nypost.com/2017/08/15/the-va-is-deeply-thoroughly-broken/”

91Veteran
91Veteran
Anuttervet, it IS an interesting read. I read it when her article first came out. Her article is clear on how good a job the VA has been doing about bullshitting the public into thinking the VA is providing good care to veterans. If you click on her name above the article, you can find a list of other articles she has written. Along with her email address, which I know she does respond to. Send her an email. Another… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@91Veteran – – – I really appreciate Ms. Callahan’s style of investigative research on the VA. And for me, after my short, but tallying the battling dances with the VA, my conclusion is still the same. To even think about fixing the VA, the VA system, as a whole, needs to be changed. The current system isn’t working, does not include many means to monitor, investigate, or even to control the VA functions, and operations of this second largest funded… Read more »
Joe
Joe

Sounds like someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine

OOOOOO Noooooo …. Purty soon those cookie jars are going to be empty, then the f$$kers will be getting it out of our pockets, but are going to dig deep into mine to find any….The only thing they are competent at is stealing money….DEN OF THIEVES .. LOL

ron nesler

I guess there is not enough graft and corruption in VA to suit the evil vampire parasites

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Seymore, did you know; On this date, September 15, 1970, “…350,000+ GM auto workers went on a 67 day strike!” In essence, shutting down all the auto giants plants! It also caused the GM “…workers and the union to dominate…” the news medias. UAW wanted an increase on wages. Although there was other strikes occurring that year, GM’s strike caused the most financial hardships for Americans! What followed? Both settled, the union won (?) with a 13% hourly increase raise.… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
So…rather than waiving the entire law, why not ask Congress to re-write it in order to avoid the situations the VA is claiming? Hell, the VA cannot remove known felons, child molesters, thieves, thugs, dope dealers or corrupt, incompetent hacks, but they claim they are removing a lab tech for taking a class at a for profit school years prior? I call bullshit on their excuses. If this truly were the case, the VA would have offered all kinds of… Read more »
cj
cj

Cashour? Hell, Veterans can’t even get a 15 minute coffee break!!

namnibor
namnibor

How’s your perspective on this hairy waxy ball of crazy called Earth?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Smells more like a dingle berry to me.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine

Its flat man

namnibor
namnibor

Did someone say they had cashews?

namnibor
namnibor

**BREAKING UPDATE**
“VA Proposes Employees Can Profit From Investing In Body Bags”, the research and development will have clear goal of producing an explosive-proof body bag that will also facilitate the liquefied remains of nonhuman test subjects.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Sorta like the chemical agent wipes? Break the capsule inside before opening? In this case, break the capsule and the liquifying begins?

I suspect they would opt for the Rotisserie model so some AFGE thugs could be employed to rotate the bag every couple hours.

namnibor
namnibor

That Rotisserie Model has been repurposed for annual AFGE pig roasts since the VA also opted for the titanium roast racks.

Dennis
Dennis
“In current practice, however, that statute has illogical and unintended consequences …” is the explained reason for this desire change the law. hmmmmm. Let me smoke some hippy queer tye-dyed colored Oregon marijuanna extract and see what the green opaque ball tells me when I peer deeply into it…. There was a guy once a long time ago that got reborn from humanhood into a mythical creature known by the name of “Mr. President”. He decided to make life better… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

“[…Mr. President, are you reading this? Good. Can you please take me off the Disruptive Behavior list now? Please? Your cops are nice guys but taking a shit is just too giggly when being gaurded that way. Thanks.]”

RAND Corp. recommends throwing feces like an angry flying monkey at the storm troopers next time and eat accordingly for flammability and thixotropic properties.

Leatherneck
Leatherneck

To whom it may concern can someone tell me why Veteran Medical Doctor can call thee Senators and Representative how to improve Veterans Healthcare. .please.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Leatherneck – – – I’m responding to possibly give a so-called part or half answer to your question. There are others that know a lot more about your concern. Senators and Congressmen (Congressional Critters), could be that there are certain groups of both. Ones that have relationships with Pharmaceutical Companies (Big / Pig Pharma), those that have relationships with the VA, and those that have relationships with both PIG Pharma and the VA. Now, due to the needs of the… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
I don’t why, but it’s easier for me to understand things when in the form of an equation. And, I realize that there are so much cheating and corruption going on around upper floors, and the lower hallways of the Veterans Administration. Folks, this Federal Agency, the VA, is too far complex to solidly figure out. The whole concept of why and how come the VA exists, has been distorted and disfigured for not just the benefit for Veterans. This… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

No Auditing
+ No Accountability
+ Poor Leadership
+ Lack of Valid Government Oversight
——————————————–
Criminal Activity

Any questions?

James Gallegos
The later, about Shulkin I thought he would do more for veterans. Some of you folks warned me about Secretary Shulkin and I have to say you were right. I sent him a letter with evidence of a disgruntled va employee falsely acussing me of disruptive behavior and they did so when they can not even place me at my local clinic. In fact I wrote twice and no reply period. The Denver VA was in the news again, where… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

OFF-TOPIC: Tonight on PBS the new documentary on Vietnam War by Kenneth Burns & Lynn Novick premiers tonight at 8 p.m….if you recall, Ken Burns has been historically on veteran’s side of things. This should be a really great series.
Peace.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Correction; first hypothetical equation based off of personal experience, VA related articles, conversations with those who just didn’t know anything about the inside operational workings of the VA, to those that knew so much about the VA you’d think they wrote the book, and these same damn fucking narcissistic now-it-alls, will even tell you that they know how to solve the VA’s current problems. Yeah right, where you been, Hector John (Juan) Pippy Tonowas. Sorry Bub (Hector), all the suggestions… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

Oh…GREAT….these doctors and providers will receive pay for teaching interns whilst visiting Veterans and being paid for being their so called provider of healthcare. Talk about double dipping. Dr. Shulkin probably been doing this already at his hospital… who knows?????? He got to get this legislation in so he can continue….how does this improve care for the Veterans?????

namnibor
namnibor

It only improves the nonperformance bonuses of the nematodes on engorged purple teams.

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