Veterans Affairs Secretary Admits VA Is ‘Adversarial’ For Veterans

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Veterans Affairs Secretary

In a landmark statement, Veterans Affairs secretary David Shulkin, MD, admitted the process of securing veterans benefits is “adversarial” for veterans.

To my knowledge, this is the first time any VA chief has admitted the agency treats veterans in an adversarial way during the benefits process, and that the adversarial treatment is costing taxpayers a lot of money in bureaucratic work done in error.

In a speech at the National Press Club on Monday, Shulkin told the crowd he wants a full review of all veterans benefits programs to reduce administrative costs.

“We have to make simpler benefits determinations,” VA secretary David Shulkin said at the National Press Club. “We’re spending too much on administrative costs, and we have to let veterans know what they can expect.”

“They shouldn’t have to constantly be refiling claims to get what they deserve,” Shulkin added, also confirming the benefits process is “adversarial.”

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Background On Adversarial VA System

Veterans, support organizations, and attorneys have long claimed VA treats veterans as adversaries when adjudicating veterans benefits. While VA enjoys public perception that it is pro-claimant, the agency has deprived veterans of a right to sue VA in district court over benefits problems.

Instead, veterans are deprived of discovery, cross-examining witnesses, and other legal strategies all other Americans enjoy in practically every other legal process. At the core of these deprivations is the false assertion VA is uniquely pro-claimant.

With Shulkin’s admission, maybe the tide may be changing, not only within VA but also outside the agency when addressing these problems.

All Is Not Rosy For Elderly Veterans Benefits

During his speech, Shulkin did give indication to suspicions that he may be going after benefits presently enjoyed by elderly veterans if those disabilities are tied to “age-related issues.”

RELATED: VA Secretly Working Deal To Cut Vets Benefits

“This is not about taking away benefits from veterans,” he said. “This is about making benefits work better for veterans and transforming the Department of Veterans Affairs to do better for years and for generations for future veterans.”

But Shulkin did remind the public of his concern over benefits for elderly veterans to instead emphasize “service-connection for disabilities, so we aren’t compensating veterans for age-related issues.”

RELATED: VSOs Throwing Elderly Veterans Under Bus

When Shulkin assumed control of the agency, he immediately gave indications to the veteran community of his intent to reduce elderly veterans benefits for those receiving Total Disability Individual Unemployability (TDIU) benefits past the age of 65.

After blowback from veterans, the public, and elderly veterans, Shulkin promised he would not reduce these benefits, but his statements Monday show maintained focus in this area.

However, a renewed focus and reduction of elderly veterans benefits for those receiving TDIU would result in many elderly veterans going without.

One argument in support of eliminated TDIU benefits for elderly veterans is that these veterans are double dipping from Social Security and should not be allowed to also receive TDIU. Yet, many elderly veterans receiving TDIU were disabled at an young age and did not pay into Social Security meaning that benefit is not available.

Veterans Affairs Unusually Honest Week

This week has proven to be an usually frank week for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The same day Shulkin spoke, Columbia VA Regional Office director Leanne Weldon spoke before a rotary club near her facility. She warned veterans against protecting their appellate rights in favor of claims options that ultimately reduce overall payouts when they disagree with an agency decision or denial. Favorable claims require the Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA) arm of Veterans Affairs make monetary payouts to veterans.

Due to bureaucratic mistakes and bureaucratic backlogs, Weldon advocated for denied disabled veterans to surrender their rights in favor of quicker solutions that conveniently reduce benefits payouts over the long run.

For the past two years, veterans organizations have informed attorneys that the agency was instructing them to steer veterans into filing new claims or to request to reopen claims instead of protecting their appellate rights with an appeal. But these advocates lacked concrete proof the agency was engaged in the duplicitous and unethical strategy.

Weldon is the first high level VA official to openly admit the agency is encouraging veterans give up their rights in favor of other less costly solutions due to agency malfeasance and mistakes.

According to Shulkin, “adversarial” VA policies and protocol have created a bureaucratic burden to taxpayers he hopes to reduce. Meanwhile, those within the bureaucracy push solutions that further reduce longterm lump sum payouts.

Combined, both strategies discussed by Shulkin and Weldon this week stand to reduce VA’s overall budgetary footprint.

Source: https://www.militarytimes.com/veterans/2017/11/07/va-secretary-wants-full-review-of-veterans-benefits-programs/

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ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Not good enough for me. IMO the Medical Side of the VA is adversarial to Veterans as well. There’re too many Vets telling their horrible Medical Experience on this site alone. It’s more than a suspicion that the Medical side is messed up. Sooner or later, someone is going to say something about the Medical side. There’s bound to be discussions about the Medical side of the VA. New VA Motto; “We’ll go half way with you, and then let you go unassisted.” And, then someone will remind me of the glass that is half full. True, but where’s there’s… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
True about that Nutter. They could greatly improve care by listening to vets about what works and implementing that throughout the VA. All it takes is for their Primary Care teams to start functioning as teams as they were supposed to. Years ago when I was going to the OKC VA, EVERY SINGLE TIME, no matter if the appointment was in the same clinic, I would see a different doctor, and my medical file was nowhere to be found. I started asking where my file was at check-in so I could go get it so the doctor had it during… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – – – You hit it, the VA can’t micro manage Veterans med care. I’m now YELLING this to my PCP. Don’t know where this is heading, but I tell you this, I’m not going to stop complaining, and challenging the VA with their out right fuck ups. Stupid shits.- – – Nutter.

T
T
I’m about to the point where I can’t even try to have a decent conversation or dialog with anyone connected to politics, health care, or any form of corruption to censorship anymore. Between dealing with the pains, brain-farts, loss of wit, loss for words, high stress causing instant metabolic or physical crashes, memory crashes, trying to talk to lying lefties, activist, etc., but I’m not shutting up either like I am told to do. Or that’s expected of me. Sad to think so many freaks out there love to see us get to this point in life, in our older… Read more »
cj
cj

Excellent T!!!

sepp dietrich
sepp dietrich

good one T. well spoken. true that.

namnibor
namnibor

*IF* the VA were to implement a “Veteran Stakeholder Suggestion Box” (VSSB), the VA would only use that to grow their naughty or nice list the Disruptive Behavior Committee keeps all year long and they would give each suggestion a proper lump of something that’s not quite coal.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namniobor – – – Did you drop your comment into the VSSB? If not, you really should. They might be able to put a spin on it, and then twist up the story, and make some of their own truths up, the ones that don’t make sense to us. – – – Nutter.

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
Of course they are going to deny the elderly the benefits. The strategy is to “delay and deny to 65” . Sammy Hagar said it once, “I can’t drive 55” That little faggot is a douchebag and is being deceptive about the real issue that age will mask a number of problems, because it is a co-morbid problem witbin itself. There are no markers that would indicate age related illnesses are stand alone issues. That is like me going to sick call when I was in my twenties telling “Doc, my titties hurt”. The corpsman would say get the fuck… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

‘Adversarial’- 1. A person, group or force that opposes or attacks; opponent, enemy or foe.
2. An opponent in a contest (hungry, hungry hippos)
3. The adversary; The Devil; Satan.
4. Involving adversaries; plaintiff/defendant.

‘Antagonist’- One who in hostile spirit opposes another in struggle. I am suggesting that Sec. Shulkin is only partly correct, as one has to include the entire medical/VHA side of VA as adversarial/hostile/antagonist towards Veterans and furthermore, they are passive-aggressive antagonistic assholes. There.

namnibor
namnibor

Passive-Aggressive Antagonistic Assholes–(PAAAssholes)

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Did anyone see that PBS special on the VA the other night? Although it was sometimes “Pro” VA, mostly it was “Anti” VA! At least that’s was my opinion! I caught one specific thing “Shithead Shulkin” touted, it was; “Whenever a scandal breaks in the news medias, money is thrown at it [VA]!” (I do believe that’s a pretty close quote!) Maybe IF “Shithead Shulkin” was to find a way to hire professional healthcare and administrative help, he wouldn’t need to be in the position of having scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal! Thereby needing more monies being “thrown… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Correction,
Replace namnibor’s name with “ANutterVet’s” name!
Actually, put the names of ALL vets who’ve been Fucked by the VA on my comment!
Sorry “Nutter”, not fully awake yet!

namnibor
namnibor

“The VA: The Human Cost Of War”, aired Nov., 2017 on PBS: “http://www.pbs.org/program/va-human-cost-war/” WARNING: This program could be an antagonist to your PTSD and health in-general because it’s about the failed asshole agency called the VA:

namnibor
namnibor

This program had me in tears within first 5 minutes…it is what it is.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor, I actually had to leave the living room after about 10 minutes of viewing. The wife watched the whole thing!
By the time it ended, she was pissed!

namnibor
namnibor

I am still pissed. That program made me tearfully antagonistic and adversarial towards the VA the more I watched towards completion. GET PISSED, Veterans! Watch this and get mad as hell and even if you are getting great VA care, please consider the plight of the rest of the 99% not getting even marginally good care. Get mad as hell!

cj
cj
Just finished, I like the idea at the end, “TRUTH IN ADVERTISING”, post the wait times and all other Veteran centric BS the Veteran will endure, at the entrance to all recruiting offices. I would add, send an entire brochure home with each person thinking of enlisting, that contains all the problems they will face when they are no longer active duty. Each page of this brochure would have to be signed and dated, and the last 10 pages would be an entrance test to prove you really did read what was in the brochure. You get a failing grade… Read more »
cj
cj
Oh, one more test should be formulated for any and all politicians, before they can hold any public office, with one simple question: Do you solemnly swear to stand by your Veterans, to provide the needed health care no matter the cost, to honor and cherish the memory of those who have fallen, to fight for those Veterans who can no longer fight for themselves, to treat with respect the families of those Veterans at all times, to be publicly hung by the neck until dead if your damn answer is NO? Oh hell……………………..let’s just start building the gallows, and… Read more »
Lem
Lem

I’m on the ax for the age related disability. I’m better now than I was at 30. I had 32 years of unemployability before receiving the correct treatment for my seizures. So now they’ll want to take away my TDIU. Are they going to give me back those 32 years I could have been earning a retirement?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Lem, in one word, “NO!”
WHY, because the VA doesn’t give a shit about you or any vet!

cj
cj

Stop asking logical questions Lem, you might pop Shil-kins brain.

Melvia taylor
Melvia taylor

Right. My husband is t&p IU. If they take this away
We will not be able to live and I will not be able to pay Dr bills or for my medicine which some cost over 900 dollars a month which I get in the mail from Champ Va. I told my husband we would have to get a divorce cause that’s the only way I would be able to afford my medicine. Sorry to say he started crying. Prayers this doesn’t happen.

Lem
Lem

TDIU (Total Disability Individual Unemployability) It will hit my wife also. If we drop Part D & C (haven’t yet because we are locked until Dec 1) Whoops? Need to do that right away and then we’ll be in your boat. But My TDIU may go back to 1987 and be locked by the 20 year rule unless they remove that for “aging”.

james gallegos
If this happen, I believe the VA is saying if the veteran received TDIU because they retired and receive it for non service connected disabilities But I may be wrong but if your husband was determined TDIU before age 65, then this should not apply. Best thing to do is call the Regional Office and ask what does this mean to veterans. Say myself I was given 100% service connected, permeant and total and Unemployable, for all most 15 years. I will be 65 and I am still the same person and have the same disability, so how can they… Read more »
cj
cj
@Melvia taylor:Melvia, two things, One: go to “goodrx.com” I get most of my meds through there for much less than the va charges me. Two: for expensive meds go directly to the manufacturers website, and fill out the patient drug assistance form, they provide one of my 600 dollar per month meds for free. The va only gives you 30 days worth of meds, and if you have to pay a co-pay of 15 dollars per script that can cost mucho buckaroo’s, if you use goodrx and have your private doctor write you a script for 90 days most cases… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
ON “CBS This Morning” **right now** VA Sec. Shulkin is talking about the VA and ‘bad paper discharge’ of TX massacre shooter and more. Seems to me Shulkin is now making his “Rainbow Tour” in a huge BA Public Relations SPIN to assure all Americans the VA is still fucking fantastic…for AFGE Feral Gov’t Welfare Works Program. Not so much for those they serve indifference ice cold in a hypodermic needle. The also seems to want “bad paper discharge Vets”…more allocated $$$ if more heads can be in the count then placed on a long wait list and forgotten.
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Then “Shithead Shulkin” can say, “See what we’re doing to help ALL veterans”, even those with “bad paper discharges”! “GIVE ME MORE MONEY!” My VA employees need to be given more monies for bonuses!
If Congress fails to give me MORE TAXPAYERS MONIES by December 1st, I’ll shut down ALL the hospitals! Remember that bullshit threat last year?!

Mary Dianna DiBenedetto
Mary Dianna DiBenedetto
I was listening to SecShulkin on “CBS This Morning” and had to run to my office to work on “Correction of Military Records”. The double speak coming out of his mouth so early in the morning was believable and sets the tone for the rest of the Veteran Organizations (VHA/VBA). Please, treat our veterans with bad paper discharges—this is a very good example of poor health care outcomes. I understand the “you can lead a horse to water theory”; however, down here in South Georgia we have lost too many good men and women too soon without proper compensation for… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Mary Dianna DiBenedetto – – – Bad papers, yes, it happened a lot during Nam. Another area to check is the Military Separation Codes on the Veterans DD214. Not many know about the manipulation of the codes. – – – Nutter.

Mary Dianna DiBenedetto
Mary Dianna DiBenedetto

@ANutterVet——-The codes are intriguing —-thank you—–I have them in my file. I have the majority of corrections for vets after 2001. It another hat covering as a clinical veteran legal liaison…blah….I miss Shinseki…………

james gallegos

veteran legal liaison ? what do you do and for whom. Can you be of any type of help veterans that have been harmed by VA employees ? or do you have contact with Secretary Shulkin ?

If you have contact with secretary Shulkin I could use help getting a message to him about a class 6 felony committed by a disgruntled VA Manager.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

From: “military.com/daily news”
Titled;
“VA May Expand List of Ailments for Agent Orange Coverage: Shulkin”
Dated: 7 November 2017
“Military.com” | by Richard Sisk

More bullshit from “Shithead Shulkin”!

namnibor
namnibor

This is the VA being passive-aggressive. Think ‘Lucy’ from ‘Peanuts’, yanking the football *just before* ‘Charlie Brown’ attempts to kick the football a 10,000th time, expecting a different outcome. I smell a trap.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Yea, and veterans are the ones going to have our necks snapped!

Katterkat
Katterkat
I keep telling @realdonaldtrump that the Choice Program is a slush fund. I don’t know what else to do. The VA isn’t a great Organization for our Veterans because it’s a Government Program to make money off the taxpayers to give to the bottom of the barrel Doctors and Administration. Its a single payer Insurance Organization. When CIGNA first came around in the ’80’s some people thought it was great because of the prices compared to AETNA. I stuck with AETNA because it allowed me to see my own family doctor. CIGNA only allowed you third rate doctors that did… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
AWESOME SAUCE: “93-year-old World War II vet scores upset election win” “TINTON FALLS, N.J. — A 93-year-old World War II veteran upset an incumbent New Jersey mayor who was seeking a second term. Vito Perillo defeated Tinton Falls Mayor Gerald Turning in the nonpartisan municipal race Tuesday. Perillo tells the Asbury Park Press he wore out two pairs of shoes campaigning door-to-door. The U.S. Navy veteran decided to run following a pair of whistleblower lawsuits involving the police department that cost the borough a reported $1.1 million in settlements. Turning was the borough police chief from 2004 to 2011 and… Read more »
sepp dietrich
sepp dietrich

all elections are fake. just more fake news to push agenda.

cj
cj

I would like to plant my budgetary footprint right up Shil-kin and “lil” Coxs ass.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

You and a whole lot more, “cj”!

Peter Kreutzfeldt
Peter Kreutzfeldt

no matter what they do or who is doing it, if it’s a government employee that is in the labor union, it will get screwed up

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Peter, It really doesn’t matter if they’re union members or not!
Remember Graves and Rubens! They weren’t union members! Yet, they got away with screwing taxpayers AND veterans big time! Then that asswipe director in D.C. who was just let go. He wasn’t union.
There’s plenty of examples of the “nonunion” asswipes fucking over veterans nationwide!

Peter Kreutzfeldt
Peter Kreutzfeldt

makes one wonder were the orders come from. Just don’t see those hacks acting on their own

namnibor
namnibor

They react and act in unison like schools of fish or gazelles being taunted by tigers on the Serengeti Plains.

namnibor
namnibor

Namely, piranha.

namnibor
namnibor

I would bet a box of ding-dongs that those two were once legion to AFGE before they graduated to status of upper management SES, or it’s true hidden meaning, “Super Engorged Shysters”.

Patrick Chard
Patrick Chard
I feel that the VA has a short between the Head Sets. I tried to get into the VA for over 40+ years and had get my congress man to help. I would try and on the deceission tree it asked if I had Vietnam service metal I answered no and they would put me on waiting list. My service in SE Asia was called the Secret war and no records were available and all the VA had to do is read my dd214 as it showed that I was in Spec. Ops and had the expeditionary metal. I had… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
So Shulkin finally admits that the VAs “duty to assist” has been bullshit all along…like many veterans already found out the hard way. His comments about benefits and elderly veterans are also bullshit. Yes, he mentions reducing administrative costs in the VA, but there are a hell of a lot more ways for the VA to get a handle on their budget before reducing veterans benefits. They can reduce the auto denial and refile claims problem. They can get rid of 127 full time interior designers and have their facility manager do that job. They can track equipment, property and… Read more »
cj
cj
Just going to toss this lame brained idea out there. If the damn VA cannot decide within 90 days, the initial claim, the appeal, or any other process after, then the benefit of the doubt goes to the Veteran. Just because the damn VA cannot get it’s shit together, is no excuse to injure the Veterans further by delaying any needed care. Now read this Shil-kin and “lil” Cox. IN PARTICULAR, THAT MEANS YOU INSTANTLY PROVIDE THE CARE NEEDED TO ANY VETERAN IN CRISIS, NO MATTER THE TIME OF DAY, OR DURING WHAT DAMN HOLIDAY. NO FUCKING EXCUSES!!!!! LIKE: THE… Read more »
js
js
If they want to reduce taxpayers burden, they should treat providers the same way that providers are treated in the real world. Shuffle the MD to another state instead of fire them. Hid the evidence of wrongdoing. No criminal prosecution for negligence. No admission of guilt by the offending MD, who gets to go on at public expense killing other veterans…There is no Public trust in the VA after learning this stuff goes on…the public should be pissed…as well as veterans. I mean, how would anyone feel if they found out that the MD the VA assigned to treat them… Read more »
js
js

So what happens to Vets whose service connected condition prevented them from saving a ton of cash for retirement? Its not like the VA is paying Disabled Vets salaries comparable to what they would have made had they not been disabled. Not only should Disabled Vets be recompensed for those conditions, but also the consequences that those conditions cause, like the inability to put away enough to retire on due to service connected disabilities.

James Clement
James Clement

Ho Lee Fook. Shithead Shulkin has just taken the first small step to show some real leadership at the VA. Leadership that speaks truth publicly about how bad things have really gotten.

Never thought I would live to see the day! Maybe having a Code Blue here, LOL, but keep the engorged Purple Team the hell away from me, please.

Now that he has admitted it, what does he plan to do to quickly correct the situation in a veteran friendly manner?

I’m betting not much – – – if anything at all.

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

Oh please, this VA publicity stunt is just trying to deflect the truth of all the negative press. It ain’t a step in no direction.

James Clement
James Clement

“Now that he has admitted it, what does he plan to do to quickly correct the situation in a veteran friendly manner?

I’m betting not much – – – if anything at all.”

Not sarcasm recognize when read it you?

We ALL know the VA is FUBAR. Has been for decades. And it will not be fixed in my remaining lifetime.

But this plan – – – were it implemented, would be a most excellent start.

James Clement
James Clement
Fookin’ Neuropathy. Here is the plan: 1. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations. 2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee. 3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans. 4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST. 5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans. 6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

“[…3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans….]”
May I suggest to keep the option open to utilize those buildings to house the criminals at the VA as to not risk potential of infection of the private medical sector…like a virus? They already look like asylums for most part. Waste not, want not.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Just because of the VA’s wicked past, don’t hold no hearings, woop em good, lock em up with the Clintons and Obomberites. Take key, melt down. – – – Nutter.

namnibor
namnibor

The ‘Abominable Snowman’ also did “One Step In Front Of The Other”…and the VA is just as frosty.

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

Who gives a damn about what this arsehat “SAYS” about the VA. Talk is cheap. Fix it and STFU!!!

cj
cj

Not understanding this new format, I posted a comment with a link in quotation marks, and it is awaiting approval. I thought putting the link in quotation marks was how we got our comment to post like any other comment.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – – – The last time that I did this it worked the same as you described. Don’t know why it happened to you. – – – Nutter.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Need to learn the ropes all over again? Not gonna happen.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Did you check the “wire.” – – – Nutter.

cj
cj

I just checked and there are no messages. Whatchu talkin about Willis?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
I’m just wondering, how well is the VA performing compared to the Private Sector Standards, in delivering claim and medical services to a group or segment of society (Veterans). I think Shithead “Shitty” Shulkin, knows that in the very near future, that the same statement he admitted too, that someone maybe already thinking about letting the cat(s) out of the bag. Shulkin knew that this information “HAD” a big probability of coming out. In this manner, by “Shitty” admitting the VA claims services aren’t worth shit, that if someone “CLEARLY” demonstrates, and exposes the VA for their adversarial actions towards,… Read more »
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Later Gators -!ii!-

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NO that is not me pointing a gun at myself, this new format is not allowing the entire ascii to print, it should look like this:

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scwewy wabbit format.

cj
cj

One last thing:

@Jo3n, if your out there and reading this, hope all is well, if we don’t see you before the holidays, then hope you have a great holiday season and a very Happy New Year.

norman
norman

why do I feel like the VA would not piss on us even if we were on fire

namnibor
namnibor

ONLY if we were on fire occupying a VA employee’s parking space close to facility…then they would all collectively piss and probably shit enough to complete the job of killing us via suffocation, while saving an employee’s parking space from being blemished.

Mary Dianna DiBenedetto
Mary Dianna DiBenedetto

@namnibor roger that; I’m with @cj-shut’ em down. Thanks-for some transparency—-Dianna,

joseph boyd
joseph boyd

nod dro 793 days (26 months) in st pete florida…still waiting..all i get from the va is normal wait is 377 days….lol

joseph boyd
joseph boyd

i also have a nod dro for smc a&a that a va pcp filled out that is waiting for iu nod dro claim to get done that is 793 days…..also had a qtc exam for inc done that was added to nod dro….Adversarial is a under statement……..i am 80% cmt(pn) camp lejeune water hazard..not worked sense 1991…been on s.s. sense 1994 for my cmt (pn)….1978-1982…usmc….1984 was told i had cmt(pn)…..a long time for the truth…but the va red tape is a joke……

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Notice 2 All – – – Since Shulkin admitted something negative about the VA, now is the time to post your frustrations and mention you disputes, or complaints about the VA in all you current, and more, Social Media Outlets. “Shitty” already mentioned the claims problem on National MSM. Take advantage of this by posting every where. By doing blasting the VA all over online, who knows, someone may take interest, get pissed, and also have the means of doing something about it. So, if you’re participating in Social Media, this a PRIME TIME to SPEAK OUT. What say you?… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Here’s how I think. WTF has happened to bring Shulkin to the point of admitting that VA employees have been adversarial to Veterans? It has been going on for decades, and he didn’t know beforehand? He knew. And, from my own experience, observations, and research, then I say to myself, there’s also a problem in the medical sectors of the VA. And since Shulkin knows about the claims side, are you telling me he doesn’t know about the shit going on in the med side of the VA? No, come on, think about what I wrote. In all logic, Shulkin… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis

The art today of Shulkin looked like he was at the Wimbledon beverage vendor trying to explain what the hell a beer growler was while he held up about three hundred people in line wanting pints.

just saying…

namnibor
namnibor
Nah, pretty sure he’s intoxicated on the life-force of Veterans, much like that classic early Jim Henson movie, ‘The Dark Crystal’, where: “Another planet, another time. 1000 years ago the mysterious Dark Crystal was damaged by one of the Urskeks and an age of chaos has began! The evil race of grotesque birdlike lizards the Skeksis, gnomish dragons who rule their fantastic planet with an iron claw. (evolution brought us the VA Crows) Meanwhile the orphan Jen, raised in solitude by a race of the peace-loving wizards called the Mystics, embarks on a quest to find the missing shard of… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I think I saw that one or read the book. Doesn’t it end with Jen finding the shard from the dark crystal and it turns out to be the key to locking down all VA Health Care Facilities with the Skeksis (AFGE Members) inside to feast and on and rule themselves.

While Urskeks (Veterans) are finally free from the curse and then allowed to pursue private Health Care?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Maybe the beer growler but if you look closer you might see it looks more like he is doing his Dr. David Houlihan impression. Those eyes and the laid back stance with the mouth looking like he is slurring his words.

He looks like he has been sampling a few of the VA Pharma line of Fuc-It-All tablet form. From that ever available VA pharmacy.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Oh and can’t forget how he is holding his right hand out like Spud did in the movie Trainspotting the night he was so messed up he shit the bed.

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