Disabled Elderly Veterans Thrown Under Bus, DAV, Legion Silent On Cut Proposal, AMVETS Speaks Out

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Disabled Elderly Veterans

Let’s give a shout out to AMVETS for speaking out against cuts to benefits for severely disabled elderly veterans while Disabled American Veterans (DAV) and American Legion (Legion) were silent today.

This is an acute issue because the proposal, if approved, would likely cut a substantial amount of monthly benefits payments to elderly veterans with no ability to make up the difference given their age and severe disability.

READ: President Donald Trump Budget Proposal

The proposed cuts affect elderly veterans receiving Total Disability Individual Unemployability benefits due to the severity of their disability. The cuts will free up billions of dollars for VA to instead spend on upgrading VA health care services.

“Veterans’ access to timely, high-quality health care is one of this administration’s highest priorities,” the budget states. “The budget provides mandatory funding to extend the Veterans Choice Program, enabling eligible veterans to receive timely care, close to home.”

Apparently, homelessness that will result for many of these veterans who will receive at least $1,200 less per month is not a concern more important concern when offset against construction of fancy hospitals, high brow art, or outsourcing VA services to large for-profit vendors.

RELATED: Veterans Should Be Nervous About Upcoming VA Cuts

More Background On VA Budget Proposal

Yesterday, the White House put out its annual budget calling for, among other things, totally severing benefits payments for severely disabled elderly veterans who jointly receive Total Disability Individual Unemployability (TDIU) and Social Security.

The cut is intended to sever TDIU benefits once the veteran starts receiving Social Security. Veterans affected will receive between $1,200 to $1,500 less per month, on average.

The language of the budget proposal makes no adjustment for severely disabled veterans unable to receive full Social Security because they were too disabled to work due to injury while in the military.

Veterans receiving TDIU benefits do not pay into the Social Security fund and would not be entitled to Social Security retirement funds.

VA plans to use the funds to finance agency improvements related to health care.

These cuts are not new. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has repeatedly proposed cuts to TDIU benefits. Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) has long been a supporter of cuts like these to veterans benefits.

The CBO is not the friend of veterans, and the organization’s recommended cuts always seem eerily similar to anything you see the Koch Brothers support.

It is worth noting Concerned Veterans Of America has not issued a statement in opposition to the benefits cut, either. Instead, the organization critiques Secretary Shulkin for allocating the money cut from elderly veterans to VA improvements:

There are a few good items in the new VA budget proposal, but overall it does not achieve Secretary Shulkin’s vision of a more efficient and cost-effective department.

The budget would increase spending on facilities by over a billion dollars even though the VA is sending more patients into the private sector for care and the veteran population is shrinking. It proposes adding nearly 8,000 new employees, which would make the VA larger than the active duty Navy.

The massive VA investment made by President Obama did not bring better outcomes for veterans – it only proved that throwing money at the problems is not the answer. Congress should not accept the new VA budget proposal as it is currently written. By aggressively seeking out savings, Congress can help the VA can better use taxpayer dollars and better serve veterans.

What About The Big Six?

I looked at websites and Twitter managed by The Big Six veterans organizations hoping to see each decry the cuts since each asserts to have our best interests in mind. The Big Six consists of Disabled American Veterans, American Legion, Veterans Of Foreign Wars, Purple Heart, AMVETS, Vietnam Veterans Of America.

Here is what I found for each organization on their respective “Today’s News” section of DAV and American Legion. Neither of these organizations have come out in opposition to the legislation. They are also the largest two veterans organizations in existence today.

DAV – DAV.org News Feed

DAV Volunteer Closes In On Milestone: An article about a volunteer with many donated hours serving veterans on behalf of DAV.

Seattle Veterans Job Fair – Job fair announcement.

Cincinnati Veterans Job Fair – Job fair announcement.

New York Veterans Job Fair – Job fair announcement.

– Twitter – No mention of the budget, or in opposition of it.

The American Legion was likewise missing from the active discourse in opposition to the proposed cuts online today.

Veterans of Foreign Wars, AMVETS and Vietnam Veterans Of American issued statements on their websites and some mentioned it on Twitter directly and sharply opposing the proposal.

I wanted to highlight the clear explanation of AMVETS: “AMVETS Deeply Concerned By President’s Proposed Cuts To Veterans Benefits”.

[NOTE: linked article deleted by AMVETS – URL now from cached WayBack Machine.]

According to the AMVETS release:

The Trump administration’s budget proposal contains a provision to cut Individual Unemployability (IU) benefits for seriously service connected disabled veterans aged 65 and older. This would steal a large percentage of a wounded, injured or ill veteran’s compensation.

The argument for this cut is that these senior citizens would be eligible for Social Security retirement benefits at age 65. That argument is flawed because these veterans have largely been disabled, out of the work force and not paying into Social Security for many years before reaching 65. Many have been severely disabled as a result of their military service and unable to work since the day of their discharge.

Such a misguided move would wrongly take away about $1,200 a month from a single veteran rated at 90 percent disabled and already determined to be unable to work because or his or her military service. The monetary loss rapidly increases for veterans with lower disability ratings. In all, this proposal threatens to strip benefits from more than 225,000 senior citizen veterans who’ve been seriously disabled as a result of their military service.

AMVETS strongly opposes this proposed cut and calls for its immediate withdrawal.

I completely agree with AMVETS on this.

I Told You So

About a month ago, I warned of a shadow meeting with The Big Six where Secretary David Shulkin, MD, asked the organizations to stand down, rather than oppose, upcoming budget cuts. We immediately know which organizations took the cue.

Some members of The Big Six organizations thought my information from within the Beltway was incorrect based on a statement from President Trump that he was increasing the budget by 6 percent.

As always, there was more to the story and my source was dead on. President Trump was about to cut benefits affecting the largest portion of veterans living today – The Baby Boomer Generation.

Here, it looks like the Koch Brothers win, and so does the AFGE Union. Meanwhile, severely disabled elderly veterans will lose.

Maybe, if President Trump ever creates the White House bat phone he promised for veterans to call when in trouble, he would have a better handle of the matter?

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Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Following.

Angela
Angela

Benjamin, no, I knew you were right. I foresaw the cuts coming. And as for Paul Ryan, this guy is a joke. He is clueless. Like I have mentioned, these government officials do not have any insight at all that is really necessary to implement any type of constructive accountable legislation due to not being connected to the American people at all. New breaking news. Obama administration is under fire. Brennan is not to be trusted. Going back to the VA believing that it is the government’s money. No, it is not. The money belongs to the people who are paying the taxes. Everyone consider this. The Trump supporters are mainly the ones who are working. So 60+ million Americans voted for him, so if the country does split in half which will be a disaster if it happens. The Trump supporters refuse to pay taxes and revolt against the administration. Then, the VA cannot no longer say it is their money because there will be no taxpayer money to pay their salaries. So President Trump and the Administration with including Secretary Shulkin need to consider very carefully what they are proposing. More to come.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Very well said, Angela!
I guess we’ll just have to sit and wait – FOR NOW!

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Angela – – – RIGHT FUCKIN’ ON !!!!!!

A Hui Hou!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Agela – – – Dam, been feeling like this ever since POTUS overcame the other [HRC]. Your post goes right up and down the hallways of the dam VA and its means of survival. Yes, we shall see. Prez Trump sent me an email. Told him off, and as usual continued to remind him that to keep his promises. Veterans are on the fence pertaining keeping their hands up to be counted as supporting him. This is going to be quite interesting. If it flops, a well overdue flare up may be on the horizon. Geesh – – – Nutter.

Angela
Angela

Hey Vets and Benjamin, I just can’t understand why or even the thought process behind as to why the CBO, Paul Ryan, and many others have it in for the Veterans. Can’t Speaker Paul Ryan and many others realize that they would not be propped up in their perches if it were not for all the Warriors who have fought and are fighting in these wars? I do not believe Speaker Paul Ryan can even understand that he would not be able to have his lip service position if it weren’t for the military. Some of these government officials are just spoiled brats with taking their livelihood for granted. These folks who are bashing the veterans and stripping the veterans of their livelihood who have no way to get back into employment had better carefully reevaluate their motives and their agenda. Benjamin, how is it that veterans get hung out to dry and yet Speaker Paul Ryan takes money divied up for the veterans
and uses it for all these illegal immigrants? Benjamin, even on top of this our government is even funding these non citizens full rides at our universities to include tuition, room and board, housing and even medical care. I know it is happening because I am informed about the grants that were approved by the Obama administration to be given to these schools. Benjamin, I would like to share with you that many minorities rant and rave about being thrown under the bus which means of course having been victimized and complain about the white supremacy regarding the so called facts that whites have all the opportunities in this country. Well, Benjamin, I can tell you that their perspective is comes from a state of being misinformed with not having all the facts. Throughout my research regarding academic assistance, scholarships, grants, and retraining opportunities, Benjamin, I noted that most of the scholarships, grants, academic assistance, retraining opportunities are for minorities such as Hispanic, African American, Native American Indian, and many other nationalities NOT Caucasian or whites. Benjamin, this country is already unbelievably tilted towards minorities with really having more opportunities than the Caucasians or whites. There is very little assistance for whites according to my research. Benjamin, people are not informed and I guess do not know how to research things for themselves. They had rather protest, cause violence, break windows, bitch and complain, raise hell and the list goes on. Really, I have no sympathy whatsoever for these minorities or these foreigners. These foreigners come into this country on H1B and H2B visas and other means and take the jobs of many Americans with even the Americans forced to train them. Then, the Americans are left without employment and then, this forces them to have to apply for government assistance. Many are denied particularly if they are white and it takes whites forever to get assistance. Benjamin, and too, it is being discussed and debated for the implementation of Affirmative Action for Conservatives. Benjamin,
our universities and academic institutions are staffed above and beyond with liberals who love these illegal immigrants and minorities. Do you now see more of the direction of the country? How can the leadership of this country take away from the veterans who have fought for this country and legally earned through blood and sweat decent healthcare, educational benefits, and retraining opportunities. I just cannot understand how Secretary David Shulkin can strip our elderly veterans? Secretary Shulkin is creating a homelessness disaster. I have more to add later Benjamin on how the VA budget is being spent or planning to be spent regarding these new proposed VA facilities. Got to go for now.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Angela, et. al.,

I suspect this is a mix of cost shifting and Congressional PAYGO rules with a healthy dose of sleight of hand mixed in.

I cannot see anyone close to Trump having enough detailed knowledge of the VA budget to propose eliminating TDIU for certain vets in order to pay for extending Choice. That kind of cost shifting comes from Congressional and VA insiders.

If Congressman X wants Choice extended, then other Congressmen invoke PAYGO (Pay As You Go) rules which means there is no budget increase, so one has to look for other ways to pay for it that is already in their existing budget. PAYGO rules are blatantly ignored when needed, or invoked by congress when convenient.

Elderly veterans would be an easy target. Younger veterans without TDIU and pampered VSOs would be unlikely to oppose it.

Its also a win for the VA since a good part of the TDIU budget can now be shifted to other things the VA bureaucracy wants…staff and buildings, better facilities, etc.

The public will be told the money is to improve and extend Choice providing care for veterans.

Older veterans who have their TDIU cut will have to fend for themselves, which may mean medicaid, Medicare or other programs. The VA doesn’t care since they are now someone else’s problem. The cost is shifted off their budget.

As for Ryan and illegal aliens, you are spot on. Ryan supports illegal immigration because it means cheap, taxpayer subsidized labor for his donors in the US Chamber of Commerce. Its why southern Wisconsin is a haven for illegal aliens.

Ryan is careful to not be too public about his support for this illegal labor, but organizations supporting him and previous think tanks he was involved in make clear what his position is.

That attitude is shared by many in congress who refer to veterans benefits as entitlements…all lumped in together with any other public welfare program.

VA IS LYINF INC.
VA IS LYINF INC.

THE TRUMPER IS SAYING TO ALL VETS BEND OVWR @ TAKE IT IN BUTT VETS SCREWED AGIN THANKS TRUMPER FOR NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angela
Angela

Everyone I might just stop by the DAV state office and express my serious concern regarding the proposed cuts. In regards to my comments about the illegals and minorities. What I am saying is illegals do not have the rights over the veterans. The veterans are the American citizens and have earned everything that is due to them. The illegal immigrants should not be compensated when they are not even citizens of this country. I continued on into the minority topic because it is true that our country is tilted and not balanced to afford assistance to all who are in need of academic scholarships, retraining opportunities, grants, healthcare, or just any kind of assistance to dig them out of their holes. Our country needs to strive towards becoming more balanced. The declined and unrestful state of our country though is due to Democrat policies and Liberals. And too, I honestly believe that the increased VA budget and the proposed building of new facilities is not about taking care of the veterans currently but to a future vision of the implementation of a single payer socialistic healthcare system for everyone in this country. Remember folks it is the VA model that most government officials want to establish throughout this country. I honestly believe this is what Secretary David Shulkin is up to behind the scenes as well as the Trump administration with including both sides of the Isle. Folks I almost believe this is what this is all about with the polluted budget.

cj
cj

@All: Remember this movie scene?
I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s the VA. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth, veterans are going bust, they keep a gun under the pillow. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV’s while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad – worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot – I don’t want you to write to your useless congressman because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the VA and the AFGE/SES and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say, ‘I’m a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!’ So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, ‘I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!’ I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!’ Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!… You’ve got to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!’ Then we’ll figure out what to do about the VA and the AFGE/SES and the budget crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: “I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!”

Just gotta love them thar old movies eh?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, ‘I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE…I just did that and someone shouted back its my money. and I want it now….I think it was JG wentworth

cj
cj

@OLDMARINE: LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OLDMARINE, You made my day with that come back………….well played sir, well played!!!!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Angela heres a good article for you “http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=14108”

Angela
Angela

Everyone, it all boils down to the fact that there are too many people in this country. All courteousy of the Democrats / Liberals with having never secured the border with letting anyone and everyone in this country. All these illegals who have come into this country and even the ones who are here are on visas which eventually expire and then, lose themselves into our country. All are illegal. They just fade into our country. Then the benefits start coming to them with the courtesy of our Liberal bleeding hearts with no citizenship having being established.
So my suspicions about what Secretary Shulkin is up to are really pointing to the single payer healthcare system. Folks the increased VA budget
and the robbing of our elderly disabled veterans does lead to me believe this. Also, with expanding the choice program is honestly a way to reduce the work from current VA employees while the transition takes place. Same idea as putting a task aside until the main project gets accomplished. This is what I see happening. I really do not see it as quality healthcare for the veterans because Shulkin is robbing the elderly veterans with the possibility of creating homelessness. How is creating quality care for all veterans happening when Secretary David Shulkin is inducing homelessness among our elderly disabled veterans who have absolutely no way to get back into employment. Secretary David Shulkin is a hypocrit. With getting back to the building of the new state of the art VA facilities, folks this will take years as slow as the federal government is. The polluted budget and robbing our elderly veterans is how they could be starting the process but robbing our veterans to do this. This is a disgrace. Why not quite funding these illegals? Get them out of this country back to their own countries to live in safe zones. This is where most want to be anyway is back in their own countries. Getting to the topic that Congressman Paul Ryan and others perceive VA disability compensation is welfare.
I just can’t see this and this is why. Yes, this could be their perspective but I disagree with the government officials. Folks, these Congressional official types are all drawing taxpayer funded salaries which really and truly comes out of the same pot as the veterans compensation once you really look at it. The Congress and Senate leaders are really not doing a real job in my opinion as say a mechanic, engineer, or a plumber. Folks, people who do real jobs like with applying math to problem solve to a solution of say maybe a collapsing bridge or using math to fix a sewage issue. Even the engineers who use the 3D software to guide underground or underwater vehicles to go where a human beings can’t go to fix problems in whatever case it may be. Folks these are real jobs where the income is earned not our federal government. When a military individual gets hurt or whatever while serving on active duty, the individual should be really compensated because the private sector will not be able to meet with the military to balance at the center of the process when the veteran exists the service. Everyone think how hard it is to transition out of the military even if there are no medical issues at all. The transition is too difficult even in this situation to the private sector. Whereas all the civilians have already been established in their homes or careers and have worked into their lives with establishing most of the time to a firm daily living structure. People who give up their lives to leave the civilian way of life to enter into the military to serve the country with fighting for freedoms and for this country somehow do need to be assisted in the process to transition back into civilian life in order to survive and meet civilian standards. As far as the middle east, I do wish President Trump success in his attempts to bring about peace but I do not believe it will be achievable. The Middle East has been fighting since the beginning of time. I believe peace will not happen until the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ or the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
Still not clear about whether Russian officials had a direct influence on President Trump. No Credible evidence to pin down President Trump that points to the Russians. All with the leaks are even lies.

Angela
Angela

And too, if a Single payer socialistic healthcare system is what the governmental officials are up to with including Secretary David Shulkin as the future healthcare vision in this country, folks this will not be healthcare. This system will be geared towards population control not healthcare. The population control will be perceived as the only solution due to our overpopulated country all courtesy of the Democrats /Liberals all dating back to President Lyndon B. Johnson. Once again American citizens suffering due to failed Democrat policies. The resort to the single payer healthcare system will come about because the government will be claiming not enough funds for all people. Watch my word. Obama is tremendously upset about President Trump on this trip with the praise he has received while on his trip. President Trump is standing out with being viewed as above and beyond with his leadership shown on this trip. Trump being treated better than Obama with respect. Obama cannot accept it. Obama thinks he is the greatest person that ever walked on this earth. Obama needs to get lost.

Jim
Jim

Angela, I talk to my Congressman today. He said this situation of cutting Disability Compensation has caused a “shit storm”, like he has never seen. He has received telephone calls, faxes, texts, upset with this. He said this has as much chance of passing as “winning the lottery without buying a ticket”. He told me if he voted for this he would have to “leave the country”. Also, Paul Ryan is a worthless prick. I would love to see someone wipe the fucking “smirk” off his face.

cj
cj

@Jim, Finally!!!!! Some good news, Thank you Jim.

T
T

The “Daily Caller” today’s article about Trump firing VA officials then the VA saying not so fast then putting them back to work kinda shows it all. Workers and officials can drop pain meds but we sure as hell can’t attain them by the VA nor civilians by medical board and LEOs demands. OG we will all overdose if they give them to some scum sucking, “criminal,” evil veterans seems to be the attitude. Of course while other vets don’t seem to be having any problems get their years long medications. Having to only go to a “new pain clinic” every three months at the main corrupt VA hospital in Indy and the regular tests. Odd it seems so many are treated differently on so many levels and forced to see some VISA MDs that don’t give a damn about Americans to begin with seemingly. Oh, I see, don’t dare mention any negatives about the VA, staff, or contractors, or ask the wrong quesntion or ya get the VA punishments. Which continues on in the corrupt state and civilian population. We have to pretend all is well in happy land Indiana, home of corruption and globalism and Social Justice Warriors.

How about the VA idiot Dr. Alvin Young claiming A Orange has no medical effects on humans? Change dot Org has a recent petition about this going.

Question. Could it be that some of Trump’s appointees like Shulkin be trying to throw him under the bus by doing some flip-floppin and politics using the CBO and others to make Trump look worse than he has been so far on some platform pledges and promises? Hmmm. His vast array of nepotism and not putting this nation 1st has shown me plenty. Plus putting two veteran hating corrupt creeps like Pence and Coats in high offices and I know who they serve and bow to and it sure isn’t the veterans or America. Pence is just another Mitch Daniels and closet globalist. Plus most here and they, fully aware of the censoring and retaliation going on here in Terre Haute and Indiana who doesn’t lay down and be door-mats for the enemies and anti-American agendas going on and in place already.

People on radio independent news like Catherine Austin Fitts claim change comes from the local levels, or must. Not going to happen here nor at the corrupt state level in Indiana. Due in great part because of what Trump has done in the White House…Nepotism. Then taking care of foreigners and their nation instead of us being numba one two and three. Hell, I know what I would do. Probably end up like JFK though.

The majority of the time I call and speak to any staff or government interns I am told I am the only one complaining about issues in Indiana or about the VA. But odd it is when “professionals” and “oath keepers or takers” on all levels fear telling the truth, getting involved in more serious issues, civilian MDs supporting and covering up for VA mistakes and false records sure takes the cake.

So here we have it. Locally we have no real media or investigative journalist. All seem to fear someone, something, some board, mafia or group. We can’t trust judges, courts, cops, attorneys, the VA, representatives, congress critters, any local or state veteran groups, no massive amount of bikers or others will dare come to Indiana for change, can’t get past all the brain-washing, facade, or escape living in college towns full of their agendas and being forced to live they way they demand. We have nothing but lefties and the college crowd and supporters in every local office with them all in full support of censoring us till we die. Not caring for others at all when the camera for propaganda ends. So I reckon I will stand alone here till I die, because ads or asking people about their adventures seem to do nothing but make me more enemies, not friends or coffee buddies. That includes the church crowds here that also fear the powers that be. So F em all. And Trump as well unless he backs-up and does what he claimed instead of running of to Israel to wear a beanie and promise more foreign aid to the globalist, but want more for war, and others to do their share for more wars.

Just too much shit to deal with on a daily basis, with more added on top of the usual daily too. Plus waiting to see what tricks the corrupt in power can and will do next.

Oh happy day! Huh? What? Oh wait we are supposed to be “free and brave.” Ahem, cough cough.

T
T

Oh, and not trying to show my “White Privilege” here or trying to push the world, or the college kiddies, libtards/neocons, or Hillary’s army to live by my standards, or to invade on others way of life or needs. So pardon my being tired of being ignored, a door-mat, a serf in seemingly a open air concentration camp being told what to endure, how to live, to think, questions not to ask, or to never complain or address a very corrupt government.

Question. Are we all still on the Domestic Terrorist List? We still endure all the “collective punishments.” Seems so. Indiana seems to be the Gaza Strip or Red China of the USA. Very old Soviet Union styled living it is. Cops don’t use warrants here like they say on TV all the time. Oh no, we are just one happy global village wanting to turn South African so we can all be killed off.

How about all that money and cash gone missing? or the black budgets that could go to veterans? Damn.

David l voisin
David l voisin

We dont need the nig 6 when we vote!

Joseph Mendez
Joseph Mendez

#BEANERSFORTRUMP
#COMBATVETSFORTRUMP
#INFANTRYMENFORTRUMP

Dave The Old Man
Dave The Old Man

AN OLD VETERAN.
Trumps Budget Proposal for 2018 budget will free up more than he proposes , as there
will be many Older Veterans will lose homes. If I lose my home I have lost my life.
Lost my wife to cancer now am going to lose my income to another Political Cancer.
I have battled against the VA for too long. I will do like Gen. Douglas MacArthur and just fade away. God Bless All That Served This Nation With Honor.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Dave The Old Man… sorry for your loss..brother

James s Gallegos
James s Gallegos

I hope not, what budget are you speaking about. If anything happens like you say, please keep us up to date.

I know people are afraid of what is happening in the United State’s.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Following behind a bit. I just can’t seem to keep up with those excitable, fast trotting, spit shined shoed, (M)arine (M)embers. Although, I do enjoy those choc-cov’d candee’s; M-n-M’s. Ok, finally caught up. Let’s roll. – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dsgruntled Veteran – – – dropped my writing utility while catching up. Forget to add LOL in my upper post.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@ANutterVet – – – What kind of Horse Fuckery is this? Can’t even spell DISGRUNTLED right, Silly SWABBO ???

Navy, Navy, where you at? Come run with me and lose some fat. Got that fat growing all-around, spills out yo’ ears onto the ground . . .

LOL !! Love ya Bruddah Nuttah.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Disgruntled Veteran – I was up until 4.5am the previous morning when I wrote the post to you. Funny you brought that up. I think May 23 late night or 24 early morning, I posted a “sorry” for my grammar. Was misspelling all day / night. Love ya to broster. I can’t figure a dam word that rhymes with Disgruntled. What’s up wit dat? But you’re a Jeteran Veteran, moving all around like you’ve been doing lately.

How’s mama doing? Hope she’s stabilized enough and into recovery deep good noticeable recovery. Give mama our best. Tell her to not get to fired, emotionalized, or worried up when you go into your phase of “lovable controlled and thought out rhetoric.” Many people think rhetoric is a negative word, when actually its good to use in most aspects.

*DV, if you post something to an older post of mine, I may not have read it. And, my mama and I had a long talk. We’ve agreed (and you’ve most likely experienced this), that I need to spend time in other areas in my life. But the caveat is, that when I get into an “Emotionalizing AnxieNergenic PTSD Rant Mode,” that is cause for being exempt of our understanding.

*I’m NOT Using the NOTIFYING Feature for email notifications. Cutting down on incoming emails until these extreme HACKS are out of the networks. Its a good feature, but I’m still being caution.

What to do? Post you posts (that doesn’t sound right), on the current topic page of the day. Then I more likely be able to respond back to you. Otherwise, I’ll miss your comments. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Wolf Therapy for PTSD – using wolves to keep you on guard instead of being in a state of reliving the past of military incidents (new type of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). This is part of a combination therapy that is being used. PTSD is treated eclectically. All modalities for PTSD treatment don’t work on every Veteran.

Now only if the VA applied the same for chronic back pain and severe muscle spasms. Geesh. Rant Now Off – – – Nutter.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: You need to put on your kindergarten hat for a second: Tumbled, crumbled, jumbled, rumbled, humbled. disgruntled veteran…… just don’t say it too fast…

Michael
Michael

I don’t understand how IU could be affected?

8. Protected Evaluations Under 38 CFR 3.951 and 38 CFR 3.952, Continued

g. Protection Against Rating Schedule Changes
Public Law (PL) 102-86 states that a rating evaluation cannot be reduced solely because of a change to the rating schedule subsequent to August 13, 1991.

However, 38 CFR 3.952 protects rating evaluations under the 1925 rating schedule which were the basis of compensation on April 1, 1946.

Note: Evaluations in effect when previous changes to the 1945 rating schedule occurred are not protected by PL 102-86.

Reference: For more information on the preservation of disability evaluations after rating schedule changes, see
38 CFR 3.951(a), and
38 U.S.C. 1155.

h. Reviewing Evaluations After a Rating Schedule Change
When reviewing a disability evaluation after a change in the rating schedule, determine whether the current evaluation would be continued or decreased under the prior schedule.

Note: The disability evaluation cannot be reduced unless you can show the Veteran’s condition improved enough to have warranted reduction under the prior schedule.

Lem
Lem

Changes are protected by the Constitution. No Post Defacto laws. My 20% hearing rating was protected by a Court Decision even though hearing aides have improved because of the way the Rating Schedule was written, before good hearing aides became available, for may years. Now I’d qualify with my hearing aides on in the Audio booth. But for several years I received the compensation just because I had to wear hearing aides. Couldn’t appreciate music even then. But I could get by on the job.

Imagine having several hundred dollars suddenly being subtracted from your income. How would you cope? Have to move down if possible. Cut the food budget. Cut the A/C, etc.

Ed Robertson
Ed Robertson

I just bought a home qualified with IU benifits. If this goes through I will be foreclosed on and then out to the street. Like an idiot I voted for Trump and the first thing he does is try to cut my benefits. “We gotta help the veterans” Trumps bullshit.

Angela
Angela

@Benjamin and everyone,
Many may be aware or many may not be aware of this topic but the White House can be contacted via the WhiteHouse.gov website. One can even Google Donald J Trump and the website will come up. This website allows all American citizens to contact him or contact the white house about an agency. This can be done via Twitter, Facebook, Email, Phone, or by mail. For email there is a form to fill out as to who is contacting the White house and the President. Best.

marlynne urban
marlynne urban

I am concerned because Congress is voting on a proposal to change the “Individual unemployability” program of the VA. There are veterans that have a 60 to 100 percent disability rating through the VA and have not been unable to secure a job because of their disability. The proposal if approved a veteran will loose the benefit when they turn 62 retirement age for social security. This proposal is to remove that support entirely. Ok, how were they supposed to earn more social security credits since they were disabled and unable to work for some time due to their disability. If they were injured early or when the social security benefit accumulated is only going to be $600.00 a month. They will be the new poor going from $2,915.00 a month to $600.00. Please do not approve of this proposal part of the budget. I can see this if they would be getting a benefit from social security of 2,915.00 a month. However, there are those who are disabled that have least amount a month and have been disabled for more than 10 years or more and cannot go out and secure gainful employment to earn those credits.

T
T

Well I am at a total loss. I am trying to create all the stir I can locally and towards the White House but not much is going on.

Trump on his Twitter feed is boasting about Shulkin “Fixing and Modernizing Vital Services for Our Veterans.” Transferring records from the DoD to the VA, etc. Nothing about about the monetary cuts…at all. Then patting him on the back and of course the usual lip service. “Monumental Reform.”

On the White House web site under “Issues” and “participate” there is nothing listed about, or info about veterans and the proposed cuts. Seems to be more about Obummer’s stuff, Ivanka’s female leadership empowerment to the old favorite Israel, but not a thing about VA or veterans.

The records issues need fixing and will help many, but those with lost records, or lost in the fire issues will still be on hurting status and at last count affected some locally.

Trump isn’t a dummy but these cuts it seems would be top notch to be mentioned instead of all the praise to the upcoming dinner dates with the elite and such. Seems the WH and his Twitter should be full of questions or statements about these cuts instead of skirting this serious issue. It’s almost like they enjoy creating stress and worry as much as the corrupt and the VA is.

Did get a reply from a guy in Ohio. Short and sweet, he said their VA is just as bad as ours in Indiana and around the nation.

James s Gallegos
James s Gallegos

Go on you tube the latest veterans committee.

They had veteran’s speak about 100 % disabled veterans with PTSD, veteran said he was 100% by the VA and he asked them to take it away as he is better now.

Stating veterans with PTSD can be treated and it will go away. He stated the VA is giving him a hard time because he wants his 100% taken away?

Talk about being crazy, he also said veterans were faking their PTSD.

Barry H.
Barry H.

I worked with two veterans (different assignments) who lied about having PTSD. They had no traumatic experiences and researched the condition online to claim they had it and fake the symptoms. One of them did the same with TBI and impotence. One did the same for MST. I didn’t report them, because they would have lied and it would have been my word against theirs.

Ex va
Ex va

@Barry H., i do not know in what capacity you worked “for Veterans”. i take that when you did not capitalize the person “Veteran” which came out to capitalize that word in the va system in all correspondence years ago, tells me you do not follow va correspondence guidelines or do not have much respect for the noun Veteran or Veterans.

Regardless, i too worked for Veterans in the va system and look at various data collected regarding “Veterans”. I discovered that at a vamc i worked at that less than 1% of the Veterans lied about being in combat/war theatre as professionals like to call it.

A little time researching their service record could have told you if they had been in combat or warzone, that question could have been resolved before the first treatment session.

I do not understand why PTSD is always in the lime light when the american psychiatric association says it is an disorder and is in the DSM-IV.
Some Veterans will suffer their entire life with these symptoms. Approximately 10-30%.

Some WWII Veterans still suffer to this day with symptoms. People in other occupations can also suffer with PTSD. It is triggered by some traumatic event. Car accident, fire, loss of life on a larger scale. The trauma is real.

Maybe these Veterans were suffering from some other disorder and you could have taken their cases to treatment team to discuss their behaviors.

Barry H.
Barry H.

I didn’t work “for” them; I worked WITH them. The first was proudly offering me tips for getting benefits to which we were not entitled. The second one was long retired and decided he had PTSD and MST, because he was trying to get disability retirement in his 40s. He never even served in a contingency operation. You’re a psychopath; I don’t understand the rest of your psychotic babbling. You appear to have no experience as a veteran. I’m just waiting for you to offer to sell us insurance.

gary
gary

It’s all brass bands and hoopla before Johnny comes marching, hobbling or rolling home. Look at all the Politicians hanging on the Veteran’s coat tails for photo ops. Watch the same lying sniveling Draft-Dodging cowards stab them in their backs! If you voted for the all Republican Congress and the Trump Administration’s plans…………….. Read “My Father, My Son” by Zumwalt’s son to see who’s going to pay this cost. Look at the US “Wounded Warriors” on TV still begging for help from the last Gulf War and imagine them losing more money with this plan.

MK
MK

Gary, Don(Tha Con)Dumpf is a Fkn Draft Dodger hes the same age of some of those Older Vets he should hv been serving side by side but hes a lil Bitch Draft Dodger

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Gary – – – Lets hope also that accountability controls are kept on Wounded Warriors. Then maybe is it is the controls show to be successful, that some how they can be applied to the VA. Just writing, who knows. If VA can do anything, a slick legal sniffin howling beagle can make it happen. No offense Benny. – – – Nutter.

Barry H.
Barry H.

Gary and MK–So true. Thank you for sharing.

Lem
Lem

Just got my TDIU and this would take the results completely away.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – – – With you Lem in being able to keep it until . . . Well you know. – – – Nutter.

Jo3n
Jo3n

It’s getting better every day……

Lem
Lem

Also, if eligible for TDIU one is eligible for SSDI at about the same time. So this would probably take away TDIU totally for everyone. And SSDI started years early is a fraction of what one would receive at retirement age. And it never increases other than COLA.

Nick Savage
Nick Savage

Hi everyone, I just let my American Legion expire today because of this. Not that I made it expire but it was due too. I will not renew.

Does anyone know for sure which VA service organization speaks out for disabled veterans more? Is it Amvets?

I have already been a member of DAV and dumped them quick after seeing they are for the V.A., now I see American Legion is in there back pocket too. I want an honest organization that actually helps us.

Thanks for any help.

Nick Savage

iratevet24601
iratevet24601

I honestly think that a VSO that is for the vets is like the Easter Bunny, and leprechauns, and Unicorns farting rainbows.

nicky w savage
nicky w savage

lmao

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@iratevet24601 – – – I am comshawing that one!

nicky w savage
nicky w savage

Going for Amvets then. I have to support one. They seem like the logical choice

cj
cj

@nicky w savage: nicky, check if there is a veterans assistance commission in your county first. They are usually paid by the taxpayers to provide assistance to that counties veterans. If not, I don’t know what to suggest. Good luck nicky, your a good man.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Nicky,

You might want to read the doc at the following link concerning one of AMVETS money laundering operations. It was an operation that they set up to launder gambling profits so they would not have to donate any to help Veterans.

It is about 43 pages but well worth a read if you are considering hooking up with them. Out of 59 Post in Ohio not one of them acted responsibly and all took part in the money laundering operation.

“http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/OhioAttorneyGeneral/files/46/463dc01f-1136-449c-a366-82f42d21d899.pdf”

gary owen faas
gary owen faas

Lem, COLA for Social Security has been far less than the real Cost of Living going back many years.

Lem
Lem

Don’t I know it. I’ve been drawing SSDI since 1990. The last 5 years my communications (TV, phone and internet) bill went up more than double the total increase in my SSDI (now SS, 70% VA comp and my wife’s SS. We’ve had to cut things each year and still found our CC debt climbing.

cj
cj

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Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Good Article, Ben.

I was expecting this, yet tried to remain optimistic – – – hoping against hope that it would not happen. So here’s what I am going to do. In the mid-terms, I vote against all incumbents. In the next Primary, and General, I vote against all incumbents. You may engrave that in stone.

Fuck them all. America may not have the cojones to honor her promises, I do.

FIX THE DAMN BROKEN VA:

1. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.

2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.

3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans.

4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.

5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans.

6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Going to practice in Hawaii? You need to be LICENSED in Hawaii. Same applies to all other states.

7. Any claim a veteran submits that requires more than 90 days to adjudicate, is automatically found to be in favor of the veteran. If a claim filed by a veteran is found to be a false one designed to scam the system, the VA will have to prove in civil court that a false claim was intentionally submitted.

8. All veterans will be allowed to seek/retain the services of a Veterans Rights Attorney from their first initial contact with the VA.

POTUS Reagan broke up PATCO in the ’80’s. POTUS Trump and our current Congress Critters do NOT have Veterans Interests at heart. Perhaps their replacements will. VOTE OUT all these WORTHLESS INCUMBENTS. Give their replacement’s one term to take care of the Veterans. If they cannot muster the stones to do it properly – – – vote their worthless asses out as well.

DO NOT be surprised when the next McVeigh Incident occurs. Bound to happen.

Paul
Paul

The Big Six, must have received a hell of a Big Bone, to keep their mouth shut. What does this do to Veterans, who have purchased homes, that are on UI? Yep, “Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Air Force, keep off the Grass”, now that their no longer needed.

MK
MK

Dear, Trump Supporters Jesse Jackson use to say something like KEEP HOPE ALIVE and I use to say he’s been dead for awhile. Ok, let’s Go with Don(tha Con) Dumpf would Say I’m Going to COVER the SWAMP Instead if some of you are Still Smoking that Good Stuff, It should be Called the FANTASY DOPE cause if you live in an AR world I can see that you’re Being a Dumbass in that REALITY. If you live in this REALITY WITH A CLEAR VISION You should have seen Right Through the Great White Hope’s BULLLLLLSHIT….

AVeteran2017
AVeteran2017

We also need to get rid of the VSOs and the union! Both are as dirty as the VA hand that feeds them! “https://youtu.be/K2eXVA2b6so”

This We'll Defend
This We'll Defend

STOP PAYING DUES TO THE LEGION, DAV, VFW, AND WHOEVER ELSE CODDLES THE VA.

I AM CALLING ON ALL AMERICA’S VETERANS TO SHUT DOWN THE VA……

PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@This we’ll Defend – – – I belong to NO VSO. ALL of them have lied to me at one time or another. I ABHOR liars! Last memberships I had with any VSO, I let lapse in 2000.

Will NEVER give them a penny again.

NiteWish
NiteWish

That clarifies $306 million to administer 136 national cemeteries & $135 million for state cemetery grants. Money stress can easily exterminate a persons will to live.
“https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2909”

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

AMVETS statement said: “The argument for this cut is that these senior citizens would be eligible for Social Security retirement benefits at age 65. That argument is flawed because these veterans have largely been disabled, out of the work force and not paying into Social Security for many years before reaching 65. Many have been severely disabled as a result of their military service and unable to work since the day of their discharge.”

Damn Straight! I am one of those guys, and still fighting for my benefits. One would think after twenty years of Unwanted Unemployment – – – the VA might recognize that in addition to my TBI/PTSD, and other medical issues – – – that being chronically unemployed is a detriment to my life, and feeds negatively into the total situation?

NOT A FUCKING CHANCE!

Worthless ASSHATS.

Rich B
Rich B

Disgruntled veteran , you make a good point alot with TDIU may not have paid into the SS system for years, and hopefully that will be considered. I am not for cutting TDIu for someone that has been on TDIU from their young years..

I was only referring to those that get tdiu after leaving the military and having a successful career and then taking a normal retirement…. those that get tdiu after a normal retirement are those that in my opinion should never have been awarded TDIU to begin with, except for the fact that age is never considered in rating decisions it is likely they would not have gotten the award.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Glad your opinion don’t count. I believe you will not admit to screwing veterans because you did not feel they should get their disability.

Bet you spread your option to other’s service officers, thinking your opinion is law…

His many have you harmed, file 13 because you felt they did not deserve their disability.

U believe on MY opinion you are a wolf in sheep clothing.

Bet you feel God like. !

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

To rich b

Dennis
Dennis

Well, it’s finally come. I’ve been watching this proposal since 2012. I’m T.D.I.U., over 65 too. So yep, I’m going to get cut drastically. I didn’t pay enough Quarters to qualify for S.S.D.I. and that was because my disability kept me out of the job market much of the time. My S.S retirement is less than $200.00 a month. I fought the VA for 20 plus years before they finally approved me. I watched the Shulkin hearing today on the House Veterans Affairs web site and the question about TDIU came up and Shulkin says there’s 7,000 vets over 80 years of age getting TDIU. (I have to wonder where he got those figures). Yeah, I’m going to lose my VA dental privileges too. Because you’ve got to be rated at 100% to get dental. Viet-Nam destroyed my teeth. Never could get toothpaste or tooth brushes over there in the jungle. Shulkin plans to take from us in order to get the Veterans Choice program funded. But VA wouldn’t let me on Veterans Choice back in 2014 after I asked them for it even though I live furthur than 40 miles from any VA clinic or hospital. We’re old veterans so they figure we’re so harmless that they can stick it to us……This is what you get for trying to do the right thing and fight for your country. Afterwards, it was SCREW YOU you damn babykiller, and now it’s SCREW YOU old man!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dennis, are you saying this same thing has been proposed before? I had never heard that.

Shulins stats are very telling. He proposes closing 1100 facilities to make it look like they are tightening their belts and being responsible with their budget, then along comes this bullshit, which I believe Shulkin was well aware of.

7000 vets that they can cut off and not many will hear about it, in trade for a Choice program which the VA will still be in control of, which may or may not benefit many more veterans than 7000.

It’s the same old fucking game DC has been playing for years, and as mentioned somewhat my Rich B below. Playing one group of veterans off another. I heard it for years as a Gulf War vet being told any legislation passed to help us would just take away from other veterans.

Dennis
Dennis

This proposal far predates my own life. TDIU was introduced as an idea meant to shore up the rating system which itself is a unique idea insofar as it is not an all or nothing program like SSDI or Social Security. A PTSD patient who manages to stay married but otherwise is completely dysfunctional as a worker owing to symptoms might only be rated at 90% because the fact that a single relationship (marriage) is maintained does not fit the definition of “total social dysfunction” as was apllied to my case. You cannot be totally dysfunctional if you can manage to maintain such a close relationship.

So TDIU was implemented because we needed a way to handle unusual cases that otherwise would fall hrough the cracks when the intention is to compensate for lack of wage earning ability.

Since folks are getting these awards well past an age where they seek employment, then the problem becomes are they not working because of injury from service, or from age? The program was not meant originally to shore up the finances of folks who will never seek work again because of age, and from what I can gather this is the real rub. The precedent is set with SSDI. I will stop receiving SSDI the moment Social Security becomes available to me from age.

I do not either support or condemn the idea of TDIU. I do point out that it is a program meant to provide financial assistance to an injured person in substantially the same manner as SSDI, so I can see why those who would want to change this regulatory law put forth the notion that it cease being paid at exactly the same time that SSDI ceases and Social Security begins.

It is grossly unfair to compensate somebody for years then terminate it based on a convenience of the federal budget. As Ben pointed out there are deeper considerations, but my reaponse is to point out that this program has been on and off the chopping block almost since inception before I was born. It is a regulatory issue.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Thanks Dennis.

Lem
Lem

It is workmans’ comp for the military. And like workman’s comp they try to buy you out when you can no longer work for them. Unlike workman’s comp they don’t try to return you to employment with the company to keep from paying 100%. They just use excuses to keep from paying out like the current budget.

Like you Dennis, I went on SSDI at age 49. But I’m 75 now and have been drawing the same check but it is now labeled SS instead of SSDI since 2006. My SSDI decision was used as evidence by the BVA to finally grant TDIU back to the 2009 TBI change. Still in play on remand is going back to 1987, the last time I had a full time job and my first TDIU claim. May only go back to the date SSDI was granted. Or, if the budget goes through, I’ll be stuck with what I have. A 43 year experience of poverty and living off my wife and her parents until they died. Her father provided our total living after she had to quit working because of Meniere’s syndrome until I received my TBI rating of 40% in 2011 and he passed in December of 2011.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Paul,
Great comment! I guess we veterans aren’t important enough to be treated with respect.

My wife read an article where certain entities are trying to eliminate “Memorial Day”! She’s wondering if “Veterans Day” will be next!

There’s a HOA outside Atlanta, Ga. telling their homeowners they can only “Fly Old Glory” on certain days of the year. Basically treating the American Flag as an “ornament”! Veterans in that community are NOT to happy. This came out today from “The Horn News”!

How many more insults must the Veterans Community take from an “out of control legislative body, (both parties), in Washington D.C.?”
When will these reprobates realize “We the People” are tired of their activities which screw the American Public!
How long will it take for “All good men to come to the aid of their country!”

The more I see what’s transpiring within our government, the more I see they’ve lost touch with reality.
It actually reminds me of certain sections in the Bible!
Y’all know those parts. They’re the parts of the Bible “Just before GOD GETS ANGRY!”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I will also lose out. I’m at 70% + 30% IU. So, I guess I’m going to lose out on about $1,200 each month.
I should be at 100% T&P with no unemployability. Only the VA screwed me out of all that compensation for 23 years by NOT admitting to my Army time!

Bill
Bill

Elf it looks like we will loose are CHAMPVA for our depedents. I live in MI and the state gives us benefits such as no property taxes, free license plates plus more.

This cuts deeper than loosing 1200.00 per month.

I am wondering if they will kiss us after they are done fucking us.

91Veteran
91Veteran

You know what would really get some attention in DC?

There are two special elections for Congress going on right now. One in Montana and one in Georgia. VP Pence has been to Montana campaigning for that race. I don’t know if he has been to Georgia.

Veterans that live in both of those districts should very loudly and publicly proclaim that they will be sitting home on that special election day. Let the rats in DC see that veterans sitting home can easily sway an election.

It would be a clear message, and one the media would certainly report on since they have been clamoring for a Democrat win in either election.

Dennis
Dennis

I just want to also add the VA has a new smoking policy in effect now too. You’re not allowed to smoke anywhere on VA grounds…..But they’re going to let you park your car under a fire hazard solar panel though.

Dennis
Dennis

Lolz! If you read the regulations carefully at Roseburg Oregon, VISN-20, they clearly spell out that a fine of $5 can be issued if you are caught spitting on the sidewalk! It has been this way for a very long time.

Isn’t the real question this; what statuatory authority are they claiming to limit the rights of any citizen’s conduct while on public property that is otherwise legal? When did “We The People” agree to let those who serve decide what rules we play by? Wasn’t that job originally filled by a blindfolded woman holding a balance and a sword? Justice? Pretty hot bod too so DEFINATELY not a servant of The People!

Doesn’t that make them a tool of injustice? …or just a bunch of tools?

Dennis
Dennis

…and for the record, yes, Justice is sexy.

Dan F
Dan F

Although this will not affect me as I am 100% P & T, this will greatly affect many Vietnam veterans.

Because of the way mental disorders are rated, and specifically PTSD, many veterans were rated at 70% and applied for TDIU as they were unable to work. Along with PTSD, rated at 70%, many of my fellow Vietnam vets have DMII and other Agent Orange issues that when rated together with the VA’s special whole person criteria make it almost impossible to reach that 95% mark which puts you at the magic number of 100%.

When I was going through my claim process years ago (and with winning the appeal which I finally was awarded the necessary increases to achieve 100%), I had also applied for SSDI. I was awarded the SSDI based upon the same medical evidence I presented to the VA long before my final appeal was approved.

The comments regarding the huge cuts which would hurt them deeply and which are unconscionable are on the mark. However, I do think some cases of TDIU awards do not make sense. I am specifically referring to the person who is past the age of retirement and applies for TDIU and under current guidelines has been awarded 100% TDIU. I have heard of cases where men well into their 70’s have been awarded TDIU keeping in mind the second part of TDIU is Individual Unemployability. Often these veterans have not worked for years and if the claim was started, or an increase requested after they have applied for and received regular SS retirement (be that at age 62 or later), then I could see where TDIU would not be appropriate.

As to the American Legion and DAV they have been poor representatives for vets for years. During my claims process I fired VSO’s from both organizations and ended up handling my own claim.

Bill
Bill

How about these people over retirement age being awared TDIU and all the lost wages in their earily workinh years? I was awarded TDIU based on 70% ptsd, mdd and 20% hearing when I was 58.

I was to proud even to walk into a va especially to apply for benefits until I hit rock bottom. Now they want me at rock bottom again.

Save me a parking spot at the nearest va so I can waste myself if they put me at the bottom again. For one day in time maybe somewhere maybe someone will say to bad another old vet is now part of the 22 a day.

When i was awarded my claim i thought it is about time they are admitting what they did to me. Man was I ever wrong little did i know they were plotting against all of us.

When i think of all the lost opportunities. Lost wages because of my inability to play well with others, panic attacks so bad I would puke, just the damn inability just to get out of bed or being locked up becaused I missed.

Fuck these people.

Dan F
Dan F

Bill, I am not referring to youand if you were awarded TDIU at that age, I wholeheartedly agree you should keep the rating. And, I understand 100% where you are coming from.

I was only referring to veterans who have applied for regular SS and then some years later apply for TDIU.

And even though this doesn’t affect me personally, I will be writing to my Congress Critters and to the President. We need every veteran we can get to fight this. The reasoning is not just wrong, it is terribly wrong.

cj
cj

@Bill, No need to join the 22, I don’t care how disabled you think you are, there will always be room for you in the coming civil war. You may not be able to run, skip, or jump, you may not even be able to walk. Even if you don’t have hands. I can rig a trigger so any veteran can take part. You could leave this Earth, angry, dissatisfied, or even in a state of deep depression. Or………. you can leave with the biggest fucking fuck you smile, you ever had. Me? I loves a good smile. 🙂 How about you? @George Alexander, George? Deranged vet is a damn good trait in my book.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – – – Are you aware of a Veteran group that its objective is to band together? Dam, if all is well, sounds good to me. I can do a lot of things behind the scene. Or, I can go up in a heli and shoot poop canons from above. Splat – – – Nutter.

Rosebud
Rosebud

Read CFR 4.19 Age is not a factor in IU or any disability claim.

Dan F
Dan F

I know age is not a factor in TDIU or for any claim. Granting TDIU when the veteran is past retirement age has been questioned by many for years. I am fairly familiar with 38 C.F.R. As I said in my original post, I handled my own claim and appeal. In fact, in my appeal, not only did I challenge the rating, I also applied for TDIU, in case I didn’t reach the schedular 100%. I have advised many veterans to simultaneously apply for TDIU along with any claim or appeal where that may be considered, instead of just waiting to see what rating they receive and then later applying for TDIU.

Dennis
Dennis

Dan, are you 100% P.T. on a schedular rating? Or are you 100% TDIU P.T.?

Dan F
Dan F

100% schedular.

George Alexander
George Alexander

I’m on e of those deranged Vietnam disabled veterans who would lose out if the budget is passed with the TDIU. The question is what do we do about it?

G. Dog
USMC

Thomas
Thomas

Call congress tell them what you think and why it is a bad idea.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Many veterans worked for the federal government and like Dennis says. These veterans unemployable are not given social security.

I have my denial letter. Not enough quarters.

Three people are going to go too far and someone if not thousands will fight back.

Are Americans ready for s civil war. You cam only proud an animal so long before they bite back with all they have, until the proder is lifeless.

Sho is to blame. ! Everyone for sticking those heads in the sand !

Will our children kill other Americans because our elected officials go along with this.

Donald Trump said with terrorist you have to kill the whole family. Ate they going to have our active duty soilders kill other Americans.

First shot done in this manner, must be returned starting with the head the body will follow.

I am not threating anyone harm. U do reserve the right to protect my family and myself.

Dennis
Dennis

On 7/15/2015 VBA senior advisor Bradley Flohr stated on the Mil Update blog that veterans currently eligible for TDIU needn’t worry because they’re grandfathered under the current rating system. I hope that’s still the case if it ever was the case, but with this current potus and va sec. I’m just not so sure about what Flohr said. Flohr is probably gone now anyway…….Age is not a contributing factor in awarding disability comp. So why should age be a factor in lowering disability rating?

Rich B
Rich B

Dennis,

Because TDIU is not a rating it is an extra scheduler award based on what ever the present laws happen to be…
.

Lem
Lem

It is based upon the first articles of 38 CFR chapter 4. The promise of America to makes its veterans with injuries or diseases they wouldn’t have had as whole as possible. And that includes income when they are unable to obtain a job because of their service connected conditions.

And it isn’t fairly applied. If you have a later injury and but for your service connected conditions you would be able to work in spite of it you are screwed. The injury better have been covered by workman’s comp. And then workman’s comp screws you because of the prior military injury. Both want the other to compensate you.

Lem
Lem

How about a tweet campaign to President Trump. “I thought you were going to take care of Veterans. (insert bill and line number)”

Do you have it Ben?

Lem
Lem

I started it: “@realDonaldTrump” “I thought you were going to take care of veterans? Cutting my disability compensation?” “https://www.disabledveterans.org/2017/05/24/amvets-speaks-dav-legion-silent-benefits-cuts-affecting-elderly-veterans/#comment-68804”

By referring to Ben’s article.

To tweet to Trump: “https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump”

91Veteran
91Veteran

Better to tweet him at @POTUS since it is more public. Include @SecShulkin, @VAChair and @HouseVetAffairs.

And not that they would care, but tweet it to the VSO’s who claim to speak for us. Their twitter handles can easily be found on the internet.