Veterans Choice Program Almost Out Of Money, Again, After A Couple Weeks?

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Veterans Choice ProgramSince its inception, the Veterans Choice Program has been plagued by three things: 1) bad VA employees blocking access; 2) bad contractors not paying doctors; and, 3) underfunding.

Well, we are now facing the third rail for what seems like the fifth or sixth time since the Veterans Choice Program was first created in 2014. In fact, the speed of running out of money is now happening so frequently that just a couple weeks ago, VA cried for and received more money. Now they are almost out of money, again.

Now they are almost out of money, again.

Let me summarize the various arguments on the Hill.

Republicans are saying wonk wonk.

Democrats are saying wonk wonk.

Veterans organizations like VFW and DAV are saying wonk wonk.

RELATED: Choice Program Needs $421 Million Fix VA Says

Seriously though, left-leaning groups cry against privatization of VA using misinformation. Right-leaning groups cry foul since both Republicans and Democrats have drastically outsourced VA jobs and services.

Blah blah.

RELATED: VA Facing $1 Billion Shortfall For Veterans Choice

Running out of money has become such a frequent problem over the past few years that it’s losing the effect it once had on Congress and the American taxpayer.

I have no doubt the practice of now coming to Congress crying for money is at least better than the old practice of screwing even more veterans out of benefits while lying to Congress about budgetary shortfalls.

RELATED: Jon Stewart Nails It On Choice Program Farce

Now, we at least know when VA is broke, or at least we know when VA says it is broke. Seems like going hat in hand to Congress is the new black – – at least for Veterans Affairs.

Source: http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/09/27/business/business-breaking/va-running-out-of-money-for-private-health-care-program/

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Ranger11bv
Ranger11bv

YAAAAAAWWWNNN….. noting new here. We get mad, nothing gets done…

Oldmarine
Oldmarine

One big crime racket at work and pockets are being filled otherwise why not a Audit ?…Our government is bleeding the taxpayer DRY on purpose

AirmanBob
AirmanBob

Another program in the ditch. There is soooo much money down the drain by starting another new program in the shadow of the old one. A lot of money down the drain from the start up cost. Can’t count how often this happens, I lost track of what is the latest and greatest and frankly I’m tired of it and don’t really care. Can’t do anything about anyway. It’s just another VA scam to pay themselves

T
T

Hi all! No, I am not dead yet, just so much going on plus going a bit blind until my Medicare supplement kicks in and can get in for some surgery next year. So Old Marine and others on Wire I’ll be back on there when things settle down.

Per topic: I had better luck with some things about getting civilian care locally before the 40 mile and Choice Card stuff came along. I fell and needed physical therapy & chiropractor years back for my hips and shoulder. Seemed to go fairly fast with about a week long wait to get in for therapy all done by phone. I seen my new found Chiro whether or not they would agree with it or would pay for a part of it. Paid just for a part of it that is. Now back to not having a Chiro due to him, another local MD to leave the local area and state due to local and state non-sense including politics.

It’s all a battle wherever we may turn. I filed a FOIA here because now the city wants to ban medical devices like Medic Alert, to any kind of recorders in local courts, dealing with attorneys, judges – in or out of chambers, in or out of a court room where cell phones are to be shut off anyway, etc. Not a word back yet and won’t be. They claim it’s about “safety.” No, it’s about more corruption and more tyranny. Totally silencing everyone, keeping them in control while the corrupt cliques, and such as VA or other local professionals to thugs can get by with whatever, just tell us to go down town to face off with them and be searched, on their turf. Zero transparency here and no chance for a threatened or hassled person to prove any of it. So our fearless leaders and the rest in town can get by with whatever they desire as usual either by legal maneuvering or illegal means.

Then we have to deal with veterans on various levels. I think we all know about the VAislying website. I was banned and censored there because I don’t support cultural Marxism or agree with Antifa supporters. Again politics comes in to play. If we don’t support the tearing down of civil war memorials or hate the old confederate battle flag, agree with Ron on everything, apparently have to agree totally with those on the left, not seen as politically correct in the eyes of Ron or his mods then we are censored and told to go away. Nice huh? I don’t know if others seen it before the deletions, seen the ‘bait and switch,” to heavily censoring us for one reason or the other, or for personal politics, but the politics, political correctness, and activism should be left out of our health care full circle.

I don’t feel the need to post what I copied from his site before the censoring and deleting was going on. But pretending to be one thing then flip-flopping to be something else behind the scenes is not safe for us, or will help getting the word out about ALL the various wrong doing and corruption when dealing with the VA, the state, the locals, the feds, etc. Political correctness, calling us racist for pointing fingers at the wrong doers just to appease some supportive group of activist is not good. This is the best I can put it right now in my frame of mind and with some issues going on.

Unlike Ron and others on the far left seemingly, some of us are really putting our lives on the line here and our heads on the chopping block for being honest, wanting some truth, decency, respect, exposing the corruption, the problems with activist in the VA and out, etc. It’s not fun to be a toy in a lefty controlled town filled with true haters and evil, let alone have to deal with it from other vets who have many side issues/agendas to side with, leaving some of us in real danger of attack in real life. TV or media do not show how Antifa and the violent groups fans can harm us in or out of the VA.

But that is how it rolls in Indiana. I don’t care who knows how I feel on anything. I don’t censor anything on my own little FB page. I don’t tell other vets in so many words to go to hell if you disagree with me on any level to censoring any civil questions or discussion over the matters that be. I also don’t and won’t try to flip-flop and support the various activist inside the VA or the many of them silencing us, attacking us, outside of the VA. I also don’t give a hoot about any agency or activist group knowing how I feel or about them doing any investigations on me. Right is right and wrong is wrong and we are supposed to be free and have a Constitution and civil rights for all, not in Indiana though. Here we are expected to bow to all and make everyone happy and to heck with all the other major issues and problems we have to face up to and deal with in any way we possibly can. Censoring and political correctness to supporting “Cultural Marxism” the destruction of our cultural heritage to expecting me to hate my own white race and heritage or my sexual preference of being straight is pathetic, total nonsense. We already have to deal with activist tactics, corruption to heavy censorship all over and when dealing with life issues. We sure as heck do not, or should have to deal with it when it comes to the VA or using divisive tactics to keep us battling each other and never getting anything done but sure is making a laughing stock of us by the two party system and the myriad of activist and haters of freedom and America. Very sad and disgusting days in America, very sad. Then we are to trust those who claim to be on our side or so-called medical professionals who are flooding out into the health care world that behind the scenes hate us for one reason or the other with little true professionalism to be found minus their activist social engineering and other vets who seem to support whatever the activist demand? Or for some money for some project or something? Crazy.

Dennis
Dennis

Ok Ben, when you toss a softball of course I am gonna take a swing….

“Republicans are saying wonk wonk.

Democrats are saying wonk wonk.

Veterans organizations like VFW and DAV are saying wonk wonk.”

—– The hippy tye-dye stoner disabled vet from Oregon ammends your words thusly for more complete context —–

“Republicans are going whack whack.

Democrats are going whack whack.

Veterans organizations like VFW and DAV are going whack whack.

We The People feel bent over and sore.”

He swings and connects! ….It’s a line shot up the middle! Look at this kid go! He is rounding first and sliding for second…it’s gonna be close! I think he’s gonna make it….

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

Yep plan on for another four years of promises, good/bad cops. I guess the best bet is to become a VA cronie and get in on this scam while it’s good.

Lem
Lem

The idea with choice was to avoid the payouts for 38 CFR 3.154 (malpractice compensation). Vets would have to sue their choice Dr. instead of claiming compensation under the liberalized 3.154 route. But 3.154 is way cheaper than fee based malpractice insured medical practices.

And managed care doesn’t do any better than VA care other than being closer to your home and having a better bed side manner geared to letting the fee based physicians milk the system until it doesn’t pay. Some physicians are only accepting 1 or 2 insurance companies now and neither Health Net or Tricare is among the accepted policies.

The only cure? How about “Nationalizing” some drug companies, some of the medical hardware providers, especially MRI manufactures that “lease” equipment (especially reading software) at such exorbitant rates the only physicians that can afford to use the best in America are the super high charging Neurosurgeons and some Radiologists. What a great thing it would be to have the best reading software in every Doctor’s office. An MRI machine in every Clinic. The way it is in the worlds top 5 rated countries for health care.

And so the U S has now slipped from 37th to 42nd and falling. Yes, we are really Making America Great Again. Just like the 1950s and ’60s when we had the best health care. Funded physician training so there were enough physicians to staff a multimillion man army and multimillion veterans’ care.

Can’t give more tax breaks to Wall Street and pay the bills. (Unless they print more and drive up inflation making the poor poorer and the rich richer) And so Congress is absolutely going about it the right way? Not the Trumpism I voted for.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Yeah, let’s go the commie route, nationalalize companies so they run as fucked up as the VA.

Dennis
Dennis

I move to support a Constitutional ammendment that is very simple. It would forbid the federal government from engaging in the dispensing of goods or services that are already available in the common marketplace and are already utilized by the general public.

Do I hear a second?

I am sure the legal profession can interpret my ammendment into no more than six or seven large volumns of legal opinion about how this is interpretted…..

91Veteran
91Veteran

The first 6 abridged volumes covers just the definitions of the words you used. “General” and “public” cover 2 volumes each.

Lem
Lem

Already in the Constitution. Haven’t you read it? No need to amend, it is in the Articles.

windguy
windguy

Single payer works just fine in other countries. The VA doesn’t get fixed because Pig Pharma and Pig Med want it all. They certainly don’t want an example of a functional single payer system. Same reason “they” won’t clean up Medicare.

Lem
Lem

Worked for Truman and the Railroads. Got them in line and hauling troops. When the greedy get too greedy they need to be shown they can be taken down a notch and held there until they get their act together.

norman
norman

audit the va

Dennis
Dennis

I hear ya norman but point out that Congress has been “auditting” the VA for decades. The results are tabulated now on a weekly basis as things are very fluid in the agency under scrutiny. The audits are filed in Congress in hopes Congress will uphold and defend the Constitution of
the United States of America. These audit results have been kept in a warehouse somewhere in area 51. This is not because it is any secret at all. Generally any english speaking third grader in America, Mexico, and Canada understands completely that VA is corrupt and broken.

Rumor has it that even second grade Russian kids know this too, but Trumps denies it of course! They keep the audit results in Area 51 now because they have huge ass warehouses there called deep dark tunnels that go for miles and miles underground. It seems that the chronic clogging of the entire Washington DC grid of sewer lines from paper flushed down the toilets has been completely alleviated since Congress voted to instead file VA audits of corruption in Area 51 instead. Oddly, both Democrats AND Republicans claimed a victory in unclogging the Wash. DC crapper lines. Area 51 is where they now place the audits of VA corruption, sloth, and malfeasance.

I also hear the rats in those tunnels are HUGE, but suspect that it is just an urban legend. I wonder how those things get started?

AvengingAngel
AvengingAngel

Trouble is the VA has no internal auditors. Just the inept VAOIG that reports to Shulkin who is counting down the days he runs out the door and heads the Penn health system for doing nothing that would rock the boat. If HVAC appoints forensic accountants whistleblowers will point the path of fraud. At the Philadelphia VA everything from illegal management bonuses to systemic HR management fraud. Too much to ask for?

Peter Kreutzfeldt
Peter Kreutzfeldt

Is nobody watching the chickens in the hen house? Which Senators son is overseeing the programs

91Veteran
91Veteran

None. They are too focused on funneling cash to Dick Gephardt, Tommy Thompson, George Miller, etc. , the mutual funds the Senators invest in make money. Mutual funds give them the appearance of being clean since it is not investments directly in Gephardts ass.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Yep, VA’s MASSIVE fraud, waste and abuse shows NO signs of slowing down! I wonder how many of our elected and appointed officials bank accounts have grown fatter? Or, have any of them opened new off shorebank accounts since the last time choice was given monies?
That would be something which should be investigated!
_____________________

This out today (28 Sept. 2017) from: “military.com/daily news”
via; “Stars and Stripes” | by: Claudia Grisales.
Titled;

“Senators: More Must Be Done to Reduce Vet Suicide”

After y’all have read it, can you point out the stupidity of this issue by “Dr. SHITHEAD SHULKIN”?

namnibor
namnibor

To think ‘Choice’ started as a murder of crows flies rules while the VA keeps murdering.
“The owls are not what they seem.”– Twin Peaks

Dan
Dan

I know exactly what you are talking about. I go to the local VA hospital tomorrow for pre surgical lab work and an MRI for a 90% chance of having a pinched nerve in my lower spine for the FIFTH TIME, and these idiots wanted me to drive 120 miles round trip to go to their emergency room just so they could tell me what my local hospital emergency room stated, and then come back 4 days later to see the doctor. Then they hit me with the bobmbshell “you could use the choice card program but there is no assurance that they will pay for this” This is a secondary documented result from my service connected injuries, so how can they not pay for it? This “choice” card/program is about as useful as teats on a boar hog!

91Veteran
91Veteran

If a VA doctor is authorizing the care, what the hell say should Choice have? If it’s authorized then they should pay the damn bills.

Dan
Dan

Yea thats the way its SUPPOSE to work. But the VA doctor actually has no authority to send you to an outside doctor. They have to get permission from a “Fee Basis” worker, which means that the worker will decide IF you should be allowed to do this and IF they will pay for it.

Pretty screwed up way of doing things isnt it?

namnibor
namnibor

That ‘Fee Basis’ worker crap is simply federal job welfare works security program that also provides another AFGE dues-paying engorged purple team member. It’s ALL about ‘control’…passive-aggressively, at that.

T
T

Other issues exist too like civilian MDs not accepting the amounts the VA is willing to pay. I was told there are set rates of pay for everything. I was told by one doctor, specialist, when the VA told me to find one my own in my area and would pay for it. The MD’s secretary reported that she (MD) would not lower her expected charges/rates. The MD does not discuss reasoning over rates or debate the VA over them. Which was very high payment for each procedure. Inflated charges to me it seemed. VA would tell me that they can’t force her to drop her high charges and would not pay inflated charges from civilian health care. Using a card or not I would be expected to pay any other existing charges or pay to see any others I was referred to from her, the civilian MD.

Later I was told no person at the VA said such a thing, talking to a new person each time I had to call back. So I did without, and the game goes on. Set limits/rates, no set pay out amounts, not paying, trying to talk to new people/staff being clueless, having to make sure the VA finally pays up before we go to some court, the game went on and continues.

The problems run full circle.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I am misunderstanding something Dan. My point is that if the VA has referred you to Choice and the authorization sent, then Choice should be paying the bill.

Why is some bean-counter at Choice second guessing a medical opinion?

Now, if a doctor says they will refer you to Choice and a VA bean-counter won’t issue the authorization, that is the same as the bean-counter second guessing an opinion, but different from Choice not paying for a properly authorized appointment.

The VA bean-counter should be made to explain why they are second guessing a medical provider, and why they are interfering with your care.

Dan
Dan

No, they told me that IF I used it in this then the VA may not pay for it. So I waited until today and let my doctor see this, and after she got the MRI boy was she PISSED! She wanted to know why I had not came in earlier, and I told her that I was NOT driving 120 miles round trip just for some dweeb to tell me what my ER already told me and then for the VA ER to tell me to come back today to see you. And they told me this was the earliest that they could get me into see you. She was FURIOUS! She dragged the nurse into the room and showed her the MRI and then got nose to nose with her and told her that If they didnt get me to see a neurologist within the next 48 hours the damage could become so bad that I could lose the ability to walk. And if that happened she would see to it that that nurse NEVER worked in the medical field again. I have an appointment with the neuro surgeon on monday morning at 8am. Seems they found damage from the L1 spinal disc clear down to the L5 S1 spinal disk and I may be having five operations in one as I see no reason to do some now and then have to go through this all over again to do some later. Do them all now and get it over with. And the Doctor called Fee Basis, the ones that authorize outside VA care and she told them the same thing, either they authorize this or they can quit or be fired.

I honestly can say I have NEVER seen a doctor that pissed off about how VA workers actually work, before in my whole time with the VA. Sort of a nice refreshing change..

sepp dietrich
sepp dietrich

Dan, you better watch Esther Gokehale “Walk This Way” before you get back surgery. Her method fixed most of my back pain after 40 years of chronic pain.

Dan
Dan

I will look into that, but it may be too late for me as I have already had 4 of these. But thank you for the info as it could be very helpful in the future

91Veteran
91Veteran

Again, Choice, like the VAs budget is not underfunded in my opinion, but pissed away because of poor management, and zero accountability from zero oversight by congress. If that were not the case, why the hell are the same problems being reported 3 years after the program was created?
I see the usual hacks have lined up either to defend the funding, oppose it, or defend VA, but I see nobody demanding improvement for vets.

The comments in the linked article by Senator Tester and the leftist hacks at VoteVets are telling. Tester says there would be an explosion on the committee if there is a commission to look at closing facilities, and VoteVets is worried about jobs with AFGE holding rallies over vacant jobs.

Where the fuck was the explosion with the current suicide rate? Veterans being killed by incompetent VA hacks? Veterans being denied care, or getting bills sent to collections because the VA and Choice continue to refuse to pay bills?

Where the fuck is there any sign of life from the House and Senate chairs of the Veterans committees? No comment from either on this?

I used to think the entire Choice program was possibly a temporary program until the VA could provide better care in a timely manner. That things would improve at the VA. Choice was nothing more than a band-aid covering the sucking head wound at the VA, where after the band-aid was applied, the patient was wheeled into the closet and ignored.

But hey! Centene stock prices are up $6 per share since last Friday…so who gives a shit about some poor bastard going bad in the closet?

namnibor
namnibor

Right-on! I believe the VA just keeps spending $$ without any concrete budget until the ratty claws reach stone-dry bottom of cookie jar. This is also how such massive over budget VA projects like the Aurora VAMC Black Hole manifest. VA LOVES to spend oodles of $$ as long as it’s not primarily on Veteran Healthcare.
Rat Bastards!

91Veteran
91Veteran

In many respects, the VA is just doing what many federal agencies are doing. Lining up their place at the trough, elbowing aside competition to get the most amount possible from congress (taxpayers).

They are operating under a Continuing Resolution which expires in December. That’s why they mentioned Choice may be out of money by December. They need to drum up support for how much they demand in the next budget.

Anyone else find it weird how the VA claims they can’t tell how much money they might have left with Choice?

They have people who can account down to the last damn penny of a veterans travel pay, but they can’t tell how many millions, even in round numbers they have left in Choice?

Atom9
Atom9

The VA use to have the month rule if you can’t see a doctor in a month you can use Choice but they took that away and tell you to wait now Choice is primarily used for only medical treatment they don’t provide yet the VA is making the veteran jump through hoops for instance let’s say the veteran needs cortisone shots for a bad back the VA will now have you see their back surgeon who most rule out PT and must come to the conclusion that this is needed if it is then they will allow you to see an outside doctor but might go through there tricare insurance over Choice because of limited funding basically the VA is going back to using tricare insurance and using VA clerks instead of the Choice employees the problem with this is that it is going to take much longer and more work for the VA and now the Choice employees at the VA are getting paid for doing nothing each VA hospital has about 3 Choice full time employees who are getting paid to do nothing because the VA is not using Choice maybe at a 25 percent capacity

Dennis
Dennis

The VA still has the “month rule”. It applies to both dead veterans and uncooked chicken. They figure if the dead vet gets in the ground before a month ticks off then it is mission accomplished. The VHA food service folks are same-same with the chicken; if it is left out for less than a month it is mission accomplished.

Bon appetite.

James Clement
James Clement

It is high time for some real leadership at the VA. Leadership that speaks truth publicly about how bad things have really gotten. Leadership that develops solutions to take better care of ALL our nations warriors.

Leadership that recognizes that when they are doing a good job – – – it will be veterans singing their praises, rather than the VA needing a PR Agency to put out “Fluff Pieces” to mislead America.

Current VA leadership has their Brain Housing Group the size of mice and their Hearts no bigger. It is about FIFTEEN YEARS PAST TIME TO FIX THE DAMN BROKEN VA:

1. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.

2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.

3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans.

4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.

5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans.

6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Going to practice in Hawaii? You need to be LICENSED in Hawaii. Same applies to all other states.

7. Any claim a veteran submits to the VBA that requires more than 90 days to adjudicate, is automatically found to be in favor of the veteran. If a VBA claim filed by a veteran is found to be a false one designed to scam the system, the VA will have to prove in civil court that a false claim was intentionally submitted.

8. All veterans will be allowed to seek/retain the services of a Veterans Rights Attorney from their first initial contact with the VA.

9. No AFGE, nor any other Labor Union business will be allowed to take place in any Federal Workplace. Conducting Union Business during working hours will be STRICTLY PROHIBITED, and will be STRICTLY ENFORCED. Should any government employee be found violating this provision, it will result in IMMEDIATE LIFETIME DISMISSAL FROM ANY/ALL GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYMENT.

10. Attorneys for appeal will be retained at the former employee’s PERSONAL expense. U. S. Taxpayer’s will not be subject to payment of legal bills for incompetent or dishonest personnel with regards to Governmental Employment.

You have my contact information Mr. President and Mr. Secretary. Call me anytime. I have a lot of ideas to help you improve the services provided to my fellow veterans. I will not hesitate to speak up at all.

For my fellow veterans who have been ill-served by this CLUSTERFUCK of a train wreck called the VA over the last few decades:

Our battles overseas were far less stressful than our war here at home. Never Cruel or cowardly. Never Give Up. Never Give In. We are on the Righteous path.

POTUS Reagan broke up PATCO in the ’80’s. Time for POTUS Trump to break up the AFGE. Most of our current Congress Critters do NOT have Veterans Interests at heart. Perhaps their replacements will. VOTE OUT all these WORTHLESS INCUMBENTS.

Give their replacement’s one term to take care of Veterans who put aside their own personal lives to answer this nation’s call when she needed them. Many of those Veterans suffer the remainder of their lives for doing what most of their countrymen had not the courage to do.

If they cannot MUSTER THE STONES to do it properly – – – vote their worthless asses out as well. Party should NOT MATTER. What SHOULD MATTER is their VOTING RECORDS ON VETERANS ISSUES.

Rhetoric is cheap. Congressional Voting Records speak louder than words.

NO Combat Veteran should be surprised when the next McVeigh or Congressional Baseball Team Incident occurs. Bound to happen. Just a matter of time . . .

We have now reached the next accelerative phase of our country falling apart. Country before Party. Principles before Personalities. Always.

Want to REALLY fix the VA? The next SecVA needs to be a former Enlisted Man with a few serious axes to grind against the VA and the AFGE. Apparently, Former Flag Officers and SES appointed Civilians can’t cut the mustard . . .

Maybe a SINCERELY MOTIVATED Gunnery Sergeant or Chief Petty Officer CAN.

Disgruntled Veteran
1973 – 1976 USMC
1978 – 1993 USN
Wounded Warrior
Honolulu, Hawaii

Dennis
Dennis

With respect JC we have tried as a people countless changes of leadership in the past several decades and corruption grows ever more deeply. The reason for this decay in our democratic republic is pretty simple – it operates outside of the laws that we ourselves, The People, are held to.

Ben can fill in just how many rights we are granted in the Constitution and likewise can point out in the Constitution just where it says “Go directly to jail and do not pass Go”. It is spelled out in language that any one citizen with half a brain (or two full houses of Congress collectively) can understand.

Here is where things break down: Down in Roseburg Oregon there is a magic line drawn around a hospital, a golf course, a few permanent homes, and a lot of VHA buildings. When you step over the magic line and onto property NOT owned by The People but rather owned by this agency whose citizens come from countries all around the globe and not even Statehood can pierce the veil the magic line provides.

You must cross this magic ine to collect the debt owed by The People and the price for obtaining services owed by The People is the suspension of the rights you had before you stepped across the magic line onto VA property in order to secure your own property.

Once across the magic you will 1) not be told the new rules, 2) will be governed by the new rules, and 3) you will never encounter the same set of rules twice. The magic is very potent indeed.

Now tell me friend, when did they teach the class about his particular magic line in public schools? Answer: they didn’t because its not supposed to happen in the Republic. “Corruption” is NOT the disease. Corruption is a symptom of ignoring the words in our Constitution. It happes when “Due Process” becomes “Payment Due” and the bill is sent right to The People as Ben points out in his article today.

James Clement
James Clement

Dennis,

I agree with everything you posted. Guess I have just gotten too old and outlived my usefulness to America. America as a whole has changed along the way. Some ways good. Some way not so much.

I do observe that from where I sit Vladimir Putin is the most honest player in the United States Government. Not saying I like it – – – but it is what it is.

Yet there is still that small spark within me that says we never just roll over and surrender. May be futile, but I have to speak out when I can.

I do a lot of local work to try to convince enlistee-age kids to not go that route if at all possible. I do not regret my service to our nation – – – but given our governments penchant for never-ending war, coupled with denying veterans their just, earned benefits upon their return – – – well, let’s just say that I do not want to see someone sacrifice themselves needlessly.

And I, like so many of you – – – am tired of the wonk-wonk.

Very Tired.

NO Combat Veteran should be surprised when the next McVeigh or Congressional Baseball Team Incident occurs. Bound to happen. Just a matter of time . . . and those were minor incidents in the scheme of war.

We have now reached the next accelerative phase of our country falling apart. Country before Party. Principles before Personalities. Always.

Namaste.

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

Well of course there’s no more money…SES, managers and cronies have to get their bonus money and kickbacks from some pot of gold.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

WOW! It really pays to know the “Clinton Crime Family!”
Check this out from: “Daily Caller”
by: Richard Pollock
dated: 9/27/2017
Titled;
“EXCLUSIVE: Chelsea’s ‘Best Friend’ Wins $11 Mil In Defense Contracts With No Clearence!”

This goes back a few years. And the Defense Department is just now getting people clearances!
I wonder IF Hillary, while Secretary of State or as a Senator, had anything to do with this? Oh, but wait, that would mean an illegal “pay to play scheme” going on. And we all know Hillary, Bill and Chealsea wouldn’t do anything like that! Yea, right!!!!

JAne
JAne

No Money DUH due to finally paying the bills for two years! VA Accountants sure cant count! got their accounting degree from the Hippo and Scum school?
I said this before when VA went crawling for money like a check book need to look at what is still needs to paid add that too the amount requesting for supposed future!

Mike
Mike

All they are doing is hiring too many people to run the program and it’s more money for them. The program can never be successful with the overhead they have, plus they like finding ways for the money to land in their pockets. Anyone that’s tried to get an appointment sees the hoops we run through. I’m so tired of the VA, I’ve lost my will and probably won’t be around to see improvements

Mike
Mike

Congress tells them that things are wrong and fix it. The make promises that can’t be done. It is the most disgusting thing that I’ve ever dealt with and there will be there till I die

namnibor
namnibor

May I highly suggest the VA be appointed a Disabled Veteran Fiduciary since they cannot manage the $$$ allotted to them?
I’ll suggest and say this yet again: I still insist the VA is one huge Federal Slush Fund and because public generally has compassion for Vets, it’s not even a gamble usually when asking for *more* $$$, as long as that essential word ‘Veteran’ is in it…from there, it’s terminal velocity for Vets and congress critters on Stairmasters that buck this gravy boat train.

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

This is priceless, McCain demanding VA accountability?

“http://kdwn.com/2017/09/28/mccain-wants-accountability-va/”

Oh, where is the VA Office of Accountability (that was created from the VA Accountability Act of 2017)???

I don’t know if I should laugh or feel insulted at this point.

Jim nose
Jim nose

Where’s is our pro veteran president? What’s shulkin dong?
Is he waliking around with a cane? How can this shit happen?
It’s one fxxxxxg thing after another. Nothing gets rectified!
It’s partially our fault. We’re all over the place.
We should take on one issue at a time and show our strength in
numbers by writing and calling the White House.
Or maybe marching over their. There’s strength in numbers.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Right on. I’ve said this same thing before. One issue, big strength in numbers. Best advice I’ve heard yet about getting Vets together.

T
T

I have been barking about that for years and – nothing – has changed. Plenty of lies, propaganda, liars, hypocrites, facade, to total BS from the talking heads on TV to the churches to the vet groups, etc. “One issue at a time” to trying to get ALL these cats herded up on that one simple concept is impossible.

“http://www.mywabashvalley.com/news/the-war-against-veteran-suicide/819981115”

The above is a small example of the local fluff and lies. If, if, an entire community. the locals, three major lefty colleges, media, et al, cared for us, respected us, they would NOT allow for any of us to be constantly attacked, ignored, censored, or lured to local town meetings for more secrecy, run around, for the exposure to the many local activist we have here to know about us, where we live, and what we disagree over. While they promote the “group think” to their fascist Marxist/communist ways.

A family member just lost a Army buddy to suicide. I keep telling those around me to have anyone in that mindset to contact me. I will have true concern, not push head dope on them, fill their heads with college, or book learning stuff, or use some activist agenda or political correctness to shut them down or attack them is some stupid way while claiming how free we are. Sad.

Tax dollars go to sports events to play pretend patriotism. More wasted dollars.
“https://www.activistpost.com/2017/09/governmnet-nfl-return-paid-patriotism-funds.html?utm_source=Activist+Post+Subscribers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5eb5ef3b1a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_b0c7fb76bd-5eb5ef3b1a-387865725”

I need surgery on both eyes now and I can’t trust any, none, in the local health care fields since I don’t hide and very open about things. I refuse to sit in some local pain clinic for six hours one day a month for pain meds. Especially since I can’t do, wait, sit, put up with my problems like others don’t mind doing while being totally disrespected and put on the civilian pas the buck around game. Or deal with idiots who tell me they have migraines and can still be out in public, in the daylight, and put up with nonsense to eating a aspirin for some magical cure is BS to me.

It has evolved so bad here I am constantly getting phone calls for torment from one local hospital and their clinic, the UAP, where I sadly picked a PCP MD for care after leaving the VA. I have called and informed their admin about them calling me over all kinds of patient calls for others using MY phone number alone. How can anyone mistake over twenty different patients concerns, or them wanting them to call other numbers to fill out some survey use the same phone number for all of them but no calls for me and my issues or needs.

My answering machine shows the the hospital’s and clinic’s names and numbers. I call them back at first informing them they have called the wrong number thinking some other person will miss a appointment or not go to the hospital over one of these calls. Turns out so many of these is NOT from a mere mistake in calling the wrong number or a robo call.

I called again and told a hospital admin, female, about this and nicely as I could (slipped and said “damned phone calls” which highly upset the previous female callers) told her how I felt and what I thought of one woman who keeps calling me, being a activist Marx-feminist who tries to tell me how to talk, what words to use to pacify her, to obviously being a stranger on the phone and demanding I use a more mild monotone tone of voice and words to appease her, etc. Sounded exactly like those at the VA and them boasting about how highly educated females they are or trained and no man is going to question them about anything they may do. Including breaking federal laws concerning our health care records.

That and having total strangers pass by you after some town meeting, or out in a store/in public mention something about our health care we are dealing with, that can only come from both the VA, local clinic and local civvy doctors and clinics makes it obvious what is going on. Especially when city leaders, the elected have family and wives that work in both arenas or the colleges, in media, and all being corrupt psychopaths and haters when they deal with people other than their lefty fascist politics, all their down town cliques, or their anti-veteran, anti-American, anti-civil rights for all agendas.

I contacted a local private eye about this and asked if he would check into this crap, the town, officials, and things going on with the VA and he replied…”it would be a conflict of interest and my hands are tied.” He, they, are veterans too. So there we have it. And I am getting this shit from mail delivery loss, new mail box torn up, fence post being intentionally hit, at times followed or others notified if I am out and about somewhere, to the phone calls. And still not being able to find the care I think I should be getting from some “professionals.” All the while local media ignore it all, not interested, but play the facade game. All others from the Feds, state, locals don’t care and are all part of the problems that exist for many, and me.

Sorry for the length but this and my FB I rarely can visit now is the only place to vent or to try to expose some things in the grand state of Indiana. It’s so ‘damned’ (sorry female Marxist control freaks for using the word damned) corrupt here and run by activist, college kiddies, communist, fascist pigs, foreigners, the corrupt, and scum.

Our pain clinic group back in 2015 was told if we left the VA health care system we would never find health care again in Indiana. He claimed the VA, IU schools of medicine, other schools of medicine ran the whole thing state-wide and controlled it all and us. Having control and connections in every county and influence over the colleges have over several surrounding counties each which makes up the entire state. Guess they are making their threats good.

Try to have a nice Saturday out there. Also, don’t trust some of those veterans with web pages or FB claiming to be for all of us or wanting us to jump on their band-wagons and for money.

lily
lily

I wish I could use Veteran’s Choice. The vet center therapist I went to was a complete asshole. For 6 months I wasted my time talking to the dumbass. He tried to make me out to having a personality disorder and made up my past without asking me about it. I dumped the bum and am considering my next move. I told the idiot from the beginning I was already service connected for PTSD and he asked me multiple times later on “are you service connected for PTSD”?

The therapist is a psycho. The most annoying thing is that he’s not registered as a therapist in the state I live so he can get away with his abuse of veterans because it appears his supervisor doesn’t care what he does. He called and told me “if you were offended you can talk to my supervisor” which is turn speak for “My supervisor doesn’t give a shit what I do. Talk to my supervisor and nothing will happen”.

namnibor
namnibor

Next time you go into that psycho VA therapist, try this rather fun technique that usually drives theraplists types and most humans absolutely nuts: Simply fix your eyes and stare at the center of your therapist’s forehead; not into his eyes, piercingly, imagining you’re burning a hole through his head and frying his brains into green eggs and ham…may want to practice first because you’re going to want to laugh when you see the results of your therapist starting to drool over himself and his own need of psychotherapy will become clear as your stare through his little brain.
Have fun with these assholes! 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Important: act as if all is normal as you interact and continue to stare at the dead center of forehead. Use their own witchy poo psyops techniques right back at them.

Dennis
Dennis

lily,

I carry severe PTSD in my skull too. I have seen exceptional folks paid by VA but non VA and VA folks MUCH less so. It has been years and a variety of therapies, pharmacutical and otherwise and I find myself this morning pretty much ok with how things are right this instant.

As a fellow PTSD sufferer you must certainly know how precious and fleeting these moments can be. Let me tell you what therapy I landed on that got me here:

I began to walk.

At first I impressed myself that I walked three or four miles in a day. Then I discovered what endorphines are at mile six one day and after that I inderstood Mother Natures built in mechanism for coping with PTSD. Move a muscle and change a thought. PTSD just loves to pick a fight with you and ratchet up the anxiety. I think that long walks trick that part of the mind into believing that you are taking action of some kind and that seems to be enough to relieve symptoms for a while.

My suggestion if all other therapies fail you is to set yourself a schedule (mine is sunrise) to take a long walk. My best PTSD therapist said it takes 15 minutes for the adrenalin that gets pumped into our veins at a moments notice to get reabsorbed back into the body. I believe her. Generally two hours a day at a just-got-off-crutches-after-YEARS-last-month pace is what I can manage and it seems at about the 15 minute mark my mood improves noticably.

I have often gone very long periods without “just ok” moments so given that I have dispensed with all pharmacuticals I can attest the new therapy is as good as it gets:

Here is what I do now: In the morning when I wake I inhale a fine mist (vaporizer) of aerosol conatining a hash oil extract of nearly pure THC and take walks. I time it to watch the sun come up. When I begin to experience unpleasant symptoms again in several hours I vaporize again.

This patient reports feeling good right now. Tell me again as a nation how any $$$ we are spending now on PTSD therapy vs. how many PTSD patients treated at VA make that same report? Never fight PTSD my friend because it will win. I give the energy somewhere else to go by walking and medicating with the thing that works which is not VA.

Dennis
Dennis

ok…I need to add the silly part but this is true and DEFINATELY a part of my therapy. I am being honst here:

As I walk when I realize that my mind has drifted to an unpleasant memory, I say simply (when I can) ,”… but all that doesn’t matter now because I moved to the Land of Dontgiveafuckrightnow. So, Idontgiveafuckrightnow. Then I giggle lolz. Just try saying that as one word WITHOUT pausing. The acid test is if you can do it without giggling. Just one word. How hard can it be?

Maybe I shouldn’t have shared this lolz, but I do take liberties as a citizen of the Land of Dontgiveafuckrightnow that others do not enjoy.

lily
lily

I agree on the walks. I’ve been doing that 15 minute walk about 3 times a day. It does exactly what you say. I also do yoga breathing where I lay down on my back, full body self massage and tai chi. I do them all at the same time for the greatest relief. The mind is another story. Controlling the thoughts is difficult but possible. I have a series of things I repeat sometimes over and over because it’s better than allowing the negative thoughts to just repeating over and over. When I walk I do remind myself to leave all the bad stuff back there. My walk is a meditation walk, a time to forget everything.

Dennis
Dennis

The problems that a vet faces who carries a diagnosis of PTSD to obtain care is not uncommon but the nature of the disease makes the VA uniquely unsuited to treat it.

PTSD will likely become renamed to something that also accurately describes the condition but in terms that others can relate to. I have seen medical journals talk about calling it something like Hyperactive Adrenalin Syndrome or similar. In other words when you skip past the “why this happens” label and jump to the “this is what is happening” label then it becomes easier to understand that at a moments notice our adrenalin levels spike in a fight or flight response over seemingly benign stimulus. They call it an “exaggerated startle response” which means that when the goddamn adrenalin begins to pump we get JUMPY. PTSD patients have a hair trigger on their adrenalin gland.

Telling a PTSD patient that they have to navigate a process that triggers this adrenalin response at virtually every single window hole you have to speak through, and the multiple pointless procedures, acts, and submissions just to get mental health care for a mind that HAS HAD ENOUGH BULLSHIT ALREADY is like telling a blind patient to be sure to duck when passing through the low security doors because the openings are intentionally low for security, and then when they bang their head and cry out over getting hurt they are escorted off the property at gunpoint by armed men.

This is veteran care in America today. ALL hospitals say the same things because that is marketing. It is what VA does not say that chills me:

“VA has the finest surgeons.
VA has the finest administrators.
VA has the finest equipment.”

To be fair just substitute “VA” for your local hospital and this is PR. But what part did the VA PR leave out?

“VA’s has the finest federal officers.
VA’s police force has the finest captains.
VA’s police use the finest guns, handcuffs, mace, billy clubs, and are expert shots.”

I guess the VA Police are there “To Do For All That Which No One Can Do For Oneself”? My god, we have foreign born Chiefs of Staff in many places now with operational control of an armed force on American soil. Why?????

Question: who believes it is a good idea to treat an anxiety disorder patient into a place crawling with armed men, doctors from foreign countries, nurses that can barely understand english, and food you need to spray with Lysol before you eat it?

Lily
Lily

The therapist I saw isn’t licensed by the state I’m in. I think it’s because he’s union, fed worker who knows he can get away with abusing veterans with less accountability. I was going to report him to the state. He left me a message saying i could talk to his supervisor. Why’s he not worried about his supervisor getting complaints? Tells me his supervisor is an enabler. I’ll never tell them I feel well again because going there alone makes,me sick.

James Clement
James Clement

Thank You.

JOHN COKOS
JOHN COKOS

If Health Care providers aren’t getting paid, WHERE is the money going ? Are the off the books operations from the 60′ and 70’s still in place ? Just asking….

91Veteran
91Veteran

Administration, salaries, bonuses, stock prices, donations to politicians. Whatever’s left might go to a provider if they won’t just go away.

As I posted previously, Centene, the parent company of Health Net had their stock price rise over $6 per share from last Tuesday. I suspect that jump was from the news that the VA was going to beg congress for more money for Choice.

If you owned 1000 shares in Centene, you made $6000 on that news. If you were a Centene board member like Dick Gephardt or Tommy Thompson where you are given stock shares as part of your compensation, say 10,000 shares, you made $60,000 over the weekend.

If you were a VSO and knew congress was going to continue funding Choice and you bought 100 shares of Centene stock at $62 per around the time they took over Health Net in 2015, it cost you $6200. Today’s share price is $95.27, so you as a VSO almost doubled your investment of $6200 to $9527.00 in a little over 2 years.

Dennis
Dennis

@91Veteran

You are absolutely right but the dollar amount is off by a huge factor.

I once made my living by trading options. Specifically I traded “covered calls”. This is a simple concept. If you own a “call option” to buy a stock at say $62 then you can force the sale of stock before the option contract expires and purchase the stock at $62. So if the stock is now $95 you can force the sale at $62 then instantly resell for $95 by excersizing the option.

Why is this an ENORMOUSE money maker? Because to purchase the option to “call” the stock at $62 the purchaser needs to perhaps pay a very small fee, like $0.65 per stock, in order to secure the option to buy. In this scenario (practiced daily) anyone knowing with certainty that the stock would soar thusly would not buy the stock – they buy the option. Then a $0.65 investment nets you $95.

Big money is involved in options and this is where the true wealth is hidden because an option is worthless unless it is excersized or sold. If they expire they never have value. If you ask a politician with ten million dollars of options that are not excersized yet how much his net worth is, he can exclude without fibbing the options because they have no value unless excersized or sold and in fact could never be able to be sold for a profit.

Think “Warren Buffet” and you will know the power and $$$ of options.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Good point about the options Dennis, and yes it includes a huge amount of money.

I stuck with numbers that are essentially reportable or provable rather than those that could be denied by some weasel.

As it is, politicians have even gotten around that by investing in mutual funds where they can claim a little deniability that they are invested directly in a company that makes them money when they take certain legislative actions.

I looked at McCain’s financial disclosure reports when I was looking at Centenes financial reports. All of McCain’s money, according to his disclosures are in mutual funds, with the exceptions of assets that can’t be hidden like real estate.

Dennis
Dennis

Where does sit go?

heheeee. When Google Earth gets good enough to overlay a map of the Earth with the ability to portray the population of local Rolls Royce, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Porsche, and like cars then you will know.

For now just find ANY webcam in Washington DC that is live and count the number of those fine autos that go by. Then find a webcam at any other town in America and count the same thing there.

Any hunches about what you will find? Money just LOVES expensive cars and it takes LOTS to drive one around.

Dennis
Dennis

We have seen ENORMOUS dollar amounts seem to evaporate in tue last few years. If you go to the press release portion of Rolls Royce and find a 2015 end of year sales figure, ttyis is what business was like in that period that America saw billions evaporate into thin air…..

Copy and paste from Rolls Royce press release, 2015;

“Second highest sales in the marque’s 112-year history.”

Where does the money go? lolz, apparently hand built cars are popular….

91Veteran
91Veteran

If you were a well connected former politician like Dick Gephardt or Tommy Thompson and wanted in on that government run health care gravy train, you could have joined the board of Centene when their stock price was $18 per share in October 2012. As a board member getting stock shares as compensation, say your compensation up to today means you have 100,000 shares of Centene. Those stock shares alone mean you now have $9, 527,000.00 in stock alone.

Now, imagine that board member not paying taxes on $9.5 million if it is part of some deferred compensation package.

But, don’t you DARE try claiming extra mileage on your travel pay!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Totally Off Topic – – – As I’ve gotten older, I’m having a annoying problem with a lot of hair growing out from my ears. I have to pluck, then add soap and water to then shave my ears. Its getting on my nerves.

Here’s my question; “Does anyone know of a durable, but reasonably priced laser light that will wipe out the hair roots so the hair doesn’t grow on my ears?

By having a system like this will help me to cut down on the grooming time, therefore not to get additional pain flare ups, or possibly tilting over, then slamming on the deck. Done this many times. Broke right wrist a few years ago. I’m trying to protect myself from more injuries.

The damn VA didn’t heed my call for help, and let me wait for over 1 1/2 years until these pukes (VA Staph) said, “Oh my goodness, this Veteran needs help. Can we plug him into a program for more points so our Supervisors will get off our ass?” Ratty Basturds.

Hey you Illinoisians, I’m still looking for those loopholes. I know that they’re there somewhere (personal joke to those who know what I’m talking about).

– – – Serious Replies Only – – –

But, if you have a good joke, or an amusing way to take care of my problem, for a good laugh or chuckle, please post. I don’t want to hear about the Purple Team or Hippo this or that. I need to find a laser, and could use some good humor as well. Most likely others could use a laugh too. Thanks – – – Nutter

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

“VA chief took in Wimbledon, river cruise on European work trip; wife’s expenses covered by taxpayers”

By Jack Gillum, Alex Horton, Drew Harwell, Lisa Rein Washington Post, September 29 at 2:02 PM

“https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/va-chief-took-in-wimbledon-river-cruise-on-european-work-trip/2017/09/29/c1f17046-a458-11e7-8c37-e1d99ad6aa22_story.html”

More on page 2 of the Comments here.

namnibor
namnibor

More Poo On Page Two… 🙂

Dennis
Dennis

ANV,

With respect, just make sure when you get whatever laser you think you are gonna get by listening to either me or my fellow cretins here who post that you aim it at something not alive before you pull the trigger. Observe the results. Maybe post on the RAND website a photo or something of what happens and see what their take is?

Asking a group of disabled veterans which laser to aim at your own head has it’s own benefits and consequences I suppose. On the one hand it is pretty cheap healthcare advice, like VA. In the worst case scenario of a grossly overpowered laser applied to the side of your head at least you will be rid of those pesky hairs. VA would call this a favorable outcome, right?

… ducking now ….