fbpx

Marijuana Is Out, Ecstasy Is ‘Breakthrough Therapy’ For PTSD

Ecstacy Breakthrough Treatment

Ecstacy Breakthrough Treatment

After loads of lobbying, methylenedioxymethamphetamine, or MDMA (aka Ecstasy aka Molly aka E), is now touted by FDA as the leading pharmacological treatment for PTSD.

The announcement came one week after Congress voted against the use of marijuana to treat veterans with PTSD by the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) announced MDMA has been granted Breakthrough Therapy Designation by FDA.

According to Forbes:

MAPS, which has been championing and fundraising for MDMA research for roughly 30 years, explained in a press release that the FDA’s granting of a Breakthrough Therapy Designation indicates the agency “has agreed that this treatment may have a meaningful advantage and greater compliance over available medications for PTSD.” It also designates the agency’s intent to help develop and review the treatment faster than other candidate therapies. 

I can only assume this “faster” treatment also includes marijuana:

The drug’s ability to help PTSD-sufferers cope with the lingering effects of trauma is attributed in large part to its capacity to produce feelings of euphoria, empathy, and heightened emotional and physical sensations–in other words, perhaps, giving sorely stressed brains the kind of neurochemical getaway that begets a little peace of mind. Those effects also seem to motivate recreational users, but unlike the self-dosed Saturday night version, official MDMA-assisted psychotherapy involves three administrations of the drug combined with established psychotherapeutic techniques.

Rick Doblin, Founder and Executive Director of MAPS, commented in a statement, “For the first time ever, psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy will be evaluated in Phase 3 trials for possible prescription use, with MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD leading the way … Now that we have agreement with FDA, we are ready to start negotiations with the European Medicines Agency.”

While Attorney General Jeff Sessions is busy rolling back advancements in marijuana distribution and pot brownies, FDA is now rolling forward with MDMA studies.

I would be curious to know who is behind the lobbying move supporting research into MDMA use for PTSD. Let’s remember, research on use of marijuana as a treatment for things like PTSD hit a snag in VA after a botched report claimed results of treatments using marijuana were inconclusive.

I can only imagine VA predators like Mark Wisner cannot wait to dose a bunch of surly veterans with this stuff. Can you just imagine a group of veterans inside a VA hospital “rolling” on E? When will VA start the trials?

Once this is approved, think VA will hand out glow sticks, too?

Na, the glow sticks would be rationed.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/08/28/fda-designates-mdma-as-breakthrough-therapy-for-post-traumatic-stress/#6446a774608c

Stay informed on VA news, scandals and benefits. Get our daily newsletter via email.

17343

DisabledVeterans.org

Get our free daily newsletter.

84 thoughts on “Marijuana Is Out, Ecstasy Is ‘Breakthrough Therapy’ For PTSD”

  1. Disgusted Devil Dog

    Would this euphoria induced by MDMA be similar or even identical to the euphoria that can be achieved by consuming certain strains of Cannabis? The very strains our government wants to remain illegal while permitting consumption of thousands of strains that hold zero potential for euphoria?
    So, euphoria is acceptable as long as it is delivered in the form of a dangerous synthetic controlled and dispensed by unscrupulous, unqualified, unsat deviants already working out ways to divert as much as they can to more profitable ‘patients’, but is a punishable offense when it’s the result of a naturally occurring, plant-based remedy that can safely and easily be cultivated by the veteran and has never killed one human ever?
    I’ve clearly lost my mind along with my family, friends and 2 careers. Only thing left is my temper. Is this Bizarro world? At least Kim Jong Numb Nuts is honest with his people. Just replace the DD-214 with 2 rounds to the back of our heads.

  2. This is an email I received from MAPS:
    MAPS is proud to announce that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has granted Breakthrough Therapy Designation to MDMA for the treatment of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). MAPS and the FDA have also reached agreement under the Special Protocol Assessment Process (SPA) for the design of two upcoming Phase 3 trials of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for patients with severe PTSD.

    The Phase 3 trials will start early next year and assess the efficacy and safety of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in participants with PTSD, aged 18 and older, at sites in the U.S., Canada, and Israel. Participants will be randomized to receive three day-long sessions of either MDMA or placebo in conjunction with psychotherapy over a 12-week treatment period, along with 12 associated 90-minute non-drug preparatory and integration sessions.

    More than 18,000 people have expressed interest in MAPS’ study recruitment opportunities, and we have very limited space available for these upcoming trials.

    Part of our final preparations for the beginning of Phase 3 trials is a study happening this fall. It is an open-label training study at Phase 3 sites. Each co-therapist team will work with a single participant at their respective study site.

    In Spring 2018, we will begin enrolling approximately 100-150 participants in the first Phase 3 trial, “A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Multi-Site Phase 3 Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Manualized MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy for the Treatment of Severe Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.”

    Phase 2 trial results are currently being prepared for publication. MDMA transiently increases heart rate, blood pressure, and body temperature in a dose-dependent manner that is generally not problematic for physically healthy individuals. Serious Adverse Events involving administration of MDMA in MAPS studies have been uncommon and non-life threatening.

    Study sites will only be enrolling people who are local to these locations:

    Los Angeles, CA | private practice
    San Francisco, CA | research institution
    San Francisco, CA | private practice
    Boulder, CO | private practice
    Fort Collins, CO | private practice
    Farmington, CT | research institution
    New Orleans, LA | private practice
    New York, NY | research institution
    New York, NY | private practice
    Charleston, SC | private practice
    Madison, WI | research institution
    Boston, MA | private practice
    Montreal, Canada | private practice
    Vancouver, Canada | research institution
    Israel | private practice

    In the coming months, researchers at each study site will set up an email address in order to begin taking names for a screening list of potential participants. Information about the specific sites and contact information for screening will be available on the MAPS website as it becomes available. You will need to check the Participate page on the MAPS website to find this information when it is available. Sites can not be listed until they received full regulatory approval.

  3. So… Let me get this right. A veteran with a history of PTSD, with prescribed “Molly” goes for a car ride on a local interstate and gets pulled over by local State Troopers for supposedly speeding, has a psychotic break open fire on the officers and killed them all. Can she/he plead not guilty due to drug induced psychosis ?

    This reminds me of a “Chris Kyle” scenario coming to a state near you soon.

  4. ForgottenDisabledOIFveteran

    I don’t give a fuck what they say. I took that shit on pass one time and there is no way I am taking that shit. Especially not if its a 3 dose write off of your money. Those pussies just don’t want to admit the green smoke will free your mind from their control and legitimately help almost all your injuries at once. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I think it’s time for the VA to fuck of permanently. Fix! Bayonets!!!!

  5. So the government refuses to even allow testing of marijuanna before it condemns it in favor of something created by man. Let me post my online sign off on most forums onto which I post information for 420 patients on refining the medicine into pharmacutical grade for symptom relief. My purpose in researching this medicine and posting online research is specifically to alleviate the symptoms of PTSD for,myself and to share knowledge of how this is achieved. (I was also diagnosed with Grandiose Delusions after the VA shrink heard me claim that I was co-engineer on an aircraft that appeared on the cover of Air & Space magazine and which that magazine called, “…one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built.” May 2003 issue. (I am Dennis Parker). After all, who would make such a claim like that, right? So they prescribed me some drugs…);

    “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

    Full disclosure on this one. I have spent years now learning how to refine the legal Oregonian extracts in order to render them pure enough to suitably replace 7 seperate prescriptions for PTSD and severe chronic pain from Symetrical Axonal Sensorimotor Polynueropathy as well as severe chronic pain from advanced artheritis and back pain resulting from severe trauma. The cocktail of drugs skewed my body chemistry so badly that I was prescribed and sent by VA 5 seperate prescriptions for various vitamins and minerals, as well as laxatives and blood pressure medicine to control the side effects as well.

    Mr. President, add up the cost of those drugs on a monthly basis in terms of dollars. Arguably the VA laxative did work extremely well except for turning the effects off, but it is the ONLY things VA ever sent me that worked just like they promised…. I guess ya gotta be good at something, right?

    Sir, you are a deal maker. Let’s make a deal. How about I agree to continue saving you the enormous expense of bags upon bags of drugs that “free” VA healthcare would otherwise have to spend on me, and I will agree to keep smoking dope? Seems like a pretty good bargain to me, especially since all you have to do, sir, is just leave me alone when I do it.

    Your Friend and Co-engineer of the H-1 Racer project,
    Dumb Oregon Vet

    1. You’re not the guy who managed to refine THC concentrate to 100% pure are you? If I recall correctly the person who owns the process is in Oregon.

      1. Two answers to one question;

        Yes, I can refine it to absolute purity and as of one day ago am the first to publish in video form such precise temperature and pressure data needed to accomplish this by making video of exactly how I did it. This along with 25 other videos showing step by step how different forms of purification combine together. Very nuts and bolts stuff. Dennis Parker is my channel, age restricted and proof of this post is found by going to youtube and searching in the youtube search for “Cannabinoid boiling point information”.
        This is the first youtube video to demonstrate in video format the kind of precision needed for engineering types to design whatever clever invention mankind comes up with next to carry this idea forward for the benefit of all. I also cast votes in an effort to get my government to help out with this kind of research but I think I am sending votes to the wrong address when I drop them in the ballot box because I haven’t heard back from anyone yet…

        No, I do not have a patent and would rather eat a dog poop hotdog with horseradish and mustard than deal with the bullshit of owning and defending a godamn patent for a decade or more. Yuck.

        I own nothing of any true value except my honor, two beautiful grayhounds, and the title United States Marine.

        Semper Fi

      2. what about a nebulized version of CBD for either lung related cancers or as a way to get CBD into the bloodstream and on it’s way faster than edibles?

      3. The answer to that question is best answered by offering all who wish to use the medicine an opportunity to use it as they see fit. Then gather the data that the patients report on a regular basis about what dose works best, benefits perceived, side effects, and either a choice to continue or discontinue.

        Compare those results with the patients who have the same illness but choose to decline the drug. At any time see who opts in and out and so forth and why. Then you have your answer, right?

        Our federal government says that of all the trillions of dollars doing for us what nobody can do for oneself, that not one single dime should be used to test the idea I just outlined. In other words WyldeChylde, our federal government says that the answer to your question has no place in our world. Did you vote for that?

        The VA says it has the perfect cure for me. They forgot that I did not pass their doors to cure that which was perfect in me and they did not listen to what I needed. So they administered the perfect cure and it nearly destroyed me.

    2. Dennis I’ve been searching trying to figure out how much CBD I need to take to kill a nodule in my lung. Finding answers is so tricky the best I’ve found is 60ml but is that daily, monthly no one knows. My point is writing is I read many sites which all said you won’t need blood pressure medicine anymore as Marijuana will natural bring it down. I just think that folks need to know because so many are taking blood pressure meds. -nitewish

  6. Just out from “military.com”
    1. From:
    “The Military Advantage Blog”
    Titled;
    “New Law to Streamline VA Claims Appeals Eases Some Protections”
    Posted by: Tom Philpott
    Dated August 31, 2017
    A must read!

    2. From:
    “Military.com”
    Titled;
    “Trump Sets 2018 Military Pay Raise at 2.1%”
    Dated: 1 Sept. 2017
    By: Brendan McGarry
    Also, in the article, “…civilian pay raise will be set at 1.9%!”

  7. To all,
    I’ve been wanting to put this on here for some time now. I guess now is as good as anytime!
    From:
    “The Story of Liberty”
    Dated: Mar. 6, 2013.
    Duration: 17:25 minutes long
    Titled;

    “”NOT YOURS TO GIVE” Davy Crockett’s Speech Before The House of Representatives”

    I know it’s kind of long. Only, In my opinion, everyone should google and listen to “a backwoods illiterate” Congressman!
    When I first watched this video, there’s a lot of truth behind what he says! And, this was back in the 1830’s!
    Especially when it comes to corruption in our government’s elected and appointed officials!

  8. This is a copy and paste from Pscyopharmacopia magazine and is a peer reviewed and accepted study just published. Dear Mr. President, can I send you a copy too?

    Abstract of study by authors below;

    “Rationale

    One of the most commonly cited reasons for chronic cannabis use is to cope with stress. Consistent with this, cannabis users have shown reduced emotional arousal and dampened stress reactivity in response to negative imagery.

    Objectives

    To our knowledge, the present study represents the first to examine the effects of an acute stress manipulation on subjective stress and salivary cortisol in chronic cannabis users compared to non-users.

    Methods

    Forty cannabis users and 42 non-users were randomly assigned to complete either the stress or no stress conditions of the Maastricht Acute Stress Test (MAST). The stress condition of the MAST manipulates both physiological (placing hand in ice bath) and psychosocial stress (performing math under conditions of social evaluation). Participants gave baseline subjective stress ratings before, during, and after the stress manipulation. Cortisol was measured from saliva samples obtained before and after the stress manipulation. Further, cannabis cravings and symptoms of withdrawal were measured.

    Results

    Subjective stress ratings and cortisol levels were significantly higher in non-users in the stress condition relative to non-users in the no stress condition. In contrast, cannabis users demonstrated blunted stress reactivity; specifically, they showed no increase in cortisol and a significantly smaller increase in subjective stress ratings. The stress manipulation had no impact on cannabis users’ self-reported cravings or withdrawal symptoms.

    Conclusion

    Chronic cannabis use is associated with blunted stress reactivity. Future research is needed to determine whether this helps to confer resiliency or vulnerability to stress-related psychopathology as well as the mechanisms underlying this effect.”

    It seems that Erik The Healer of Rome, recognized as the father of modern medicine who used marijuanna extensively in his cures several thousand years of years ago, got it right after all…

    1. Dear VA,

      Do you think that a veteran population who qualifies for VA care could use something for stress? Run that by the Disruptive Behavior Committee and see what they decide to do, ok?

      1. What’s that you say now? The Disruptive Behavior Committee reminded you that it is a $5 fine to spit on VA property? Official answer, or do they need to phone a friend?

  9. “Illinois Veteran Found Guilty Of Stolen Valor After Lying To Get VA Disability”
    By Sarah Sicard, on August 29, 2017

    *With help from the American Legion in 2013* with a false certificate from a Vietnam Special Operations Group confirming his service, forge a certificate for an Enlisted Aircrew badge, and offer up a 2008 letter from then-candidate Barack Obama which attested he was a Vietnam veteran.

    “https://taskandpurpose.com/illinois-veteran-pleads-guilty-15-years-stolen-valor/”

    1. Seymore,
      This kind of bullshit that gets my brain & PTSD into overdrive.

      These asswipes find groups out there to help forge bullshit to help with FAKE documents. So they can bilk VA out of monies. And this asshole got President Obama to help him fuck over other veterans!

      I went, unknowingly, 23 fuckin years where VA stated I was NEVER IN VIETNAM (BOOTS ON THE GROUND!)! Yet, VA has had my Army Medical Records, AND DD-214’s, since 1972 or 73! All verifying I WAS in Vietnam! Plus, being injured!

      Then, VA employees wonder WHY I get so fuckin angry when shit like this asshole received disability payments (compensation) when they NEVER left “CONUS”!

      I see there’s another FAKE fuckin veteran out in Denver, Colorado being found GUILTY over the same shit as this FAKE fuckin veteran in Illinois!
      These are the kinds of assholes that need lots of time in prison!

  10. “Marion V.A. administrator accused of sexually assaulting teen”
    Posted: Sep 01, 2017 12:24 PM CDT / Updated: Sep 01, 2017 7:19 PM CDT
    By Brandon Richard report for WSIL(ABC) channel 3

    “WSIL — An administrator with the Veterans Affairs center in Marion is accused of sexually assaulting a teenager who volunteered there.

    Douglas Bowers, 55, of Cape Girardeau, is being terminated from his position as chief of volunteer services at the Marion V.A., in the wake of the allegations.

    Bower was arrested and booked into the Williamson County jail on Aug. 22 on charges of criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual assault.

    According to court records, the incidents were first reported to authorities in July 2016.

    In an affidavit of probable cause, David Kinley, a police officer with the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, said the victim “alleged Mr. Bowers molested her on three occasions by way of: exposing himself, attempting intercourse, fonding, kissing, and penetrating her genitals with his finger.”

    Full News Video and article at: “https://www.wsiltv.com/story/36272346/marion-va-administrator-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-teen”

    1. Seymore,
      Here’s something things I find interesting, concerning this “sexual predator”
      According to all the articles, he’s only been “…reassigned…” to other duties until he’s convicted (paraphrasing)!

      Plus, it’s taken over a year to investigate.

      Plus, VA is going to use the new law President Trump signed recently, to get the process started!

      (In my opinion,)
      Does anyone see how VA upper management, at the Marion VHA, tried to “cover-up this sexual assault on a teen”, who only wanted to help veterans? Will we hear anything more on this issue?

    2. Marion VAMC is same place that over course of last couple years had such a deadly outbreak of Legionnaires Disease it killed a few dozen Veterans and then the CDC had to be called-in because the VA kept botching any clean-up…more went on at Marion VAMC as well…another cesspool.
      If the Legionnaires does not get you, the sexual predators working there will. WTF, VA?

  11. I would like to announce the beginning of a new study brought to you here right now IN REAL TIME to judge the eeffectiveness of marijuanna to cope with symptoms of PTSD.

    Lighting up now with State Of Oregon approved, tested, taxed, regulated, and recommended marijuanna…stand by….

    hmmmmm. Describing how I now feel about inhaling a medicine of such horrific consequence that the feds would see me imprisoned for doing it if I did this in a Federal Park while camping is kind of tough. On a scale of “one” to “ten”, Oregon typically earns a score of “yes” which as a user of the drug makes perfect sense, but I gotta be honest for the sake of science. In fact before the next sentence I will again test the compound…

    Well, it definately is not government grade relief because no matter how hard I try, I just do not want to turn the mirrored ball on and start raving about in wanton fashion. I sort of want a snack now and then I just want to go hot tubbing and listen to some Stevie Ray Vaughn. Frankly after I am in the hot tub I plan to pee in the water too – a clear sign of anti-establishment emotional behavior with side effects ranging from grins and chuckles to outright giggles.

    Sorry guys – this disqualifies it from VA pharmacology, but then again the VA doesn’t have hot tubs either do they?

    Semper Fi

    1. They absolutely have hot tubs those fucking hippos gotta go rinse off from time to time otherwise the skin goes right to shit. Gotta stay hydrated man.

      I absolutely concur with your scientific method, so much so, in fact I went out and replicated your experiments with great success not more than 10 minutes ago. I don’t have a hot tub but I do have a shower so maybe much the same effect.

      1. Yes, the engorged purple teams have hot tubs disguised as physical therapy tubs….and the VA even often gets that deadly wrong in that not too long ago a medical assistant left a Veteran to become human stew and believe it killed him…too many not-so-accidents I easily get them confused…but those hungry, hungry hippos indeed have hot tubs that are industrial engorged certified.

  12. Contact Secretary David Shulkin to intervene with Phoenix Hospital’s director, Rima Nelson & her checkered past who refuses to help recruit by keeping the Marijuana study Secret. 7 yrs of work the researcher Dr. Sue Sisley & team are on the verge of completing research on the 22 veterans who qualified for the therapeutic effects of marijuana & PTSD study. The federally funded investigation in Arizona needs an additional 54 Veterans to participate. Spread the Word time is running out.
    “https://merryjane.com/news/medical-marijuana-ptsd-study-under-threat-of-early-shut-down”

  13. lets get real. Nobody knows the cure for PTSD. The veterans know how it has manifested itself over the years and that is all. After all the wars the only thing they have come up with is calling it all sorts of names. From Trench Fever, to Combat Fatigue to Shell Shock and so on but have yet gotten a handle on it

    1. That’s exactly right, Sir. The only expert on my condition is me. Not some Dr. QuackenFucker who’s trying to push the latest and greatest poison down my throat. We each walk through hell in our own way. What is important is surviving the nightmare and coming out the other side.

    2. ForgottenDisabledOIFveteran

      I think mmj helps. Maybe not cure but certainly for long term treatment helps ALOT. loads more than the VA ever did.

  14. In Oregon in 2017 the state issued 5,527 medical marijuanna cards specifically to treat symptoms of PTSD alone. This is one year alone and this is for those who choose to get a card rather than simply purchase it and pay the tax like those without a card.

    Furhermore, since 1975 Oregon has decriminalized amounts posessed for personal use. The state has tens of thiusands of people utilizing marijuanna medical cards for a wide range of human ailments. History is replete with extensive use of marijuanna as a treatment, with the legendary Erik The Healer of Rome employing marijuanna extracts in over half of the treatments for human suffering.

    Christians have known of the marijuanna for a LONG time. It is a fact that the oil called “Holy Oil” had an extremely well defined recipe and the prime use of the oil was to extract the medicinal propertie of marijuanna from the plant. Just as folks today extract medicine with coconut oil or any saturated fat content oil. For thiusands of years folks have availled themselves of relief

    In all that time there has NEVER been a single documented fatality from overdose. In all that time there has never been a documented instance of marijuanna products damaging human tissue. In all that time the millions of folks using this for PTSD, anxiety, pain, and natural relief of a myriad of ailments, and relief so profound that Christians called it Holy Oil, have all repeatedly turned to the drug – even risking imprisonment – because there is simply nothing else that can interface with the cannabinoid receptors in the brain that ONLY respond to cannabinoids.

    Gee, its almost like God custom made the brain to accept and process this drug.

    In 2017 VA has determined there is no evidence that marijuanna has any medical use….

    In 2017 VA has determined that a drug reported by less than 200 people to be effective is better at treating PTSD than the marijuanna 5,527 patients in Oregon alone that patients have used for decades and arguably for thousands of years.

    Tell me, what medical evidence do we have to support the theory that VA healthcare saves lives? Is it more than Erik The Healer? This is insanity implemented for the benefit of the paid off and bought off. We choose as a nation to toss our veterans aside for make believe, pretend, and a WHOLE LOT of $$$ sent to the makers of the pills, and therfore (through undetected channels), right back to the lawmakers that make it all possible.

    1. “We choose as a nation to toss our veterans aside for make believe, pretend, and a WHOLE LOT of $$$ sent to the makers of the pills, and therfore (through undetected channels), right back to the lawmakers that make it all possible.”

      Nuttin but net! The truth through and through.

    2. Over here in CT. the system is great if you can come out of pocket 1000.00 USD a month for your legal 2.5 ounces. Not so great if you’re…”socioeconomically disadvantaged” ie poor. It’s pissed me off to the point that after 3 years of bullshit I’m setting up meetings with my state rep and senator to amend the current law to include hardship home cultivation. Otherwise I keep facing restrictions to the only medication that I know works for my condition.

  15. 1. Ecstacy is an amphetamine and it promotes addiction.
    2. Amphetamines and stress have cross sensitivity. In other words, stress makes you more sensitive to drugs and drugs make you more sensitive to stress.
    3. Long term amphetamine use causes the same type of brain damage in the same brain areas as PTSD and Borderline Personality Disorder.

    Borderlines will be the hardest hit. They would be hurting the people who have no way of making the pain stop.

  16. Does this mean every VA hospital and clinic will be re-designed by interior decorators to the likes of “The Fillmore West” of the 60’s in San Francisco? Will Jimi Hendrix impersonators roam around the floors and rap with you to keep your head together for your VA visit to be a good trip and not a total bummer? Will the clinics have seats to sit on or should you bring a blanket to lay on while waiting for Dr. Psycho-Gupta ? Will there be colorful paisley ameba patterns projected on the walls behind the vendors selling you fruit shakes and yummy loaded cookies? Or am I interpreting this incorrectly? Hah?

    1. Yeah, you will be able to just go to the VA Psych Dept. hallways and just lick the walls like in ‘Willy Wonka’….then come those damn giant blueberries. Oompa Oompa~~~Loompa~~!

  17. MAPS is always asking for more money for these studies, in the Millions $25 million needed for this study alone. ’For-profit pharmaceutical companies are not interested in developing MDMA into a medicine because the patent for MDMA has expired.’
    Individual donors are listed. Who are these individual people, do we need to know what if anything they will gain from success OR failure?

    MAPS states as of June 2016, more than 868,000 veterans were receiving disability compensation for PTSD, w/an est. taxpayer cost of $17 billion per yr & that In the general population, 27% of suicides are associated w/PTSD.

    MAPS has a lot of information to share & there is also Free Books & Essays to download about Psychedelics. I’ve been reading them –interesting @ “https://www.maps.org/resources/freebooks”

  18. If its passed by Congress to be legal, the Vets with PTSD (like myself) will have two options. Either take it or dont

    1. As one who participated in aclinical trial of Gabatril for PTSD, which resulted in what I would describe as chemica lobotomy and about a 20% drop in IQ. I WOULD RECCOMEND, !!! NO !!! Occasionally I have to eat just a pencil erasers sized pinch of PURE NON- hybrid SATIVA once a day for about a week to retrain my bran and get some of my IQ back. For pain that pinch would provide 2.5 days of serious relief for my SERIOUSLY S.C. dislocated sacrum. Does anyone know the name of the strain and source.
      .SPINAL DECOMPRESSION really helped but I ran out of the weed which finished off the pain.
      The CIA came through our camp with a duce and a half in 1970 filled with tighly packed sandbags full of Cambodian Red (the best?!! For $5.
      Again, if anyone knows, source and availability for smoke and seeds, please.

    2. Dan,
      The problem with this idea is informed consent. VA is notorious for failing to inform patients they are being used as test subjects let alone being informed honestly and fully regarding the risks and dangers of any given drug. Furthermore VA actively pursues an agenda of spreading misinformation well enough that many unsuspecting vets may simply not understand the documented and honest dangers involved with accepting VA healhcare as an alternative to non-VA care. It is deadly.

      Dan, if the VA required each patient to read and initial the actual numbers of fatalities associated with specifically VA treated vets vs. non-VA care, and if each vet was made to sign an understanding that VA legally protects its clinicians in the case of malpractice then I believe that informed consent would indeed be the order of the day. I believe that the majority of VA healthcare users cannot possibly have access to these simple pieces of information. Non-VA users can easily track malpractice and unwarranted death by reading the headlines which nearly always report medical misconduct in the non-VA environment.

      The VA employs instead a system of public relations experts and methods that communicate an environment of care exists in the midst of a serpents lair. A VA Public Relations expert can view a movie like “Rocky Horror Picture Show” as it plays out in the halls within a VA hospital and the public will get a review written like they just saw “It’s A Wonderful Life”.

      They convince the veteran that Clarence the Guardian Angle is real and has tons of angle friends with honest to goodness wings that are just there to help too. Then you find out that once the bell rings Clarence is off chasing crows around trying to figure out how far he can fly.

      Clarence flies away Dan and there are no friends at VA. There is no informed consent. There is no caring at the agency tasked wih caring. They just want you to go away and beware of making any choice based on a VA doctors suggestion… historically it is deadly and trust me – then you will go away.

      1. I’m trying to figure out what you and Arnold are asking of me since I am clearly missing something. I understood you were asking me to look at a veterans law, and Arnold was asking if I had his email address.

        Am I misunderstanding both?

      2. 91Veteran i was going to ask of you do you my email address because as Concerned Veteran I believe that Veteran Medical Center should get a least one Cosmetic Dentistry Dentist knows how to put G4 implants because their is not one has a contract with Veteran Affairs Admistation

      3. I do not have your email address Arnold. If you would like to provide it I will take it. Once I have it, what do you want me to do with it?

      4. exactly. you wont get any argument from me on this. The problem we have is that some Vets who have the PTSD really badly will be desperate to try just about anything the VA suggests to try and ease the symptoms. And if the VA gets any form of showing that it will help some, they will want to start prescribing this like candy. They did this to me for a back injury and had me up to 100mg/s every three days of Fentanyl (generic morphine) skin patches and I refused to take it after I started seeing things walk out of walls. The VA and myself went round and round about this till they saw I was not going to change my mind as I refused to trade one monkey for another. Same thing is going to happen here so unless we want to be their drug testing dummies, we have to refuse. And if we do we have to accept what comes next, and that would mean having something in our files that states that we refused treatment.

    3. Dan, if I understood a previous commenters quote of a press release on this, they are claiming vets suffering PTSD for an average of 17 years were cured of PTSD after 3-4 treatments.

      If they were cured, meaning they no longer have PTSD according to the VA, then they no longer have that disabling medical condition, which means treatment for it and any disability paid for it stops.

      If that is the case, how much of a choice do you think any vet with PTSD will have in whether they take this wonderful new cure?

      Throughout history, medicine that helps one person with a condition may not help the next person with the exact same condition. Morphine is known as a pain killer for many, but for many like me, it does absolutely nothing for pain.

      Do you think the VA will recognize this? Or will they declare any vet with PTSD taking Ecstasy 3-4 times is miraculously cured?

      Do you seriously believe any vet refusing this cure will not be declared uncooperative with their medical care?

      I can just see VA hacks salivating over the millions in PTSD disability payments and treatment costs being spent elsewhere like on art and interior designers.

      Those vets not cured by this new miracle cure will just be ignored. For years, because we all have seen how the VA refuses to admit they are wrong.

      1. I can just see VA hacks salivating over the millions in PTSD disability payments and treatment costs being spent elsewhere like on art and interior designers.”

        With all the VA employees now also on ecstasy in addition to all those missing opiate RX’s, the VA would of course spend that landfall of $$ of oodles of psychedelic color-changing wall themes, saving even more $$$ as the glow sticks would no longer be required, nor the interior decorators…more $$$ for more X.

      2. No I dont. All I am saying is that they will either see that according to them it works or it does not. And as you know they will want to start prescribing this left and right. So either you take it or you dont as they wont give you any other options

  19. “…combined with established psychotherapeutic techniques.” ????????

    So ectasy, in combination with the established techniques responsible for a suicide rate already triple that of the general population is sure to produce …. wait for it …..

    Yet another VA solution… One more time they plan “To Do For All That Which No One Can Do For Oneself”.

    Mr. President, are you nucking futs or are you just pandering to the body bag manufacturing lobby on this one sir?

    1. The real kicker in the ass is the body bag manufacturers use only the best hemp for their body bags ever since after the Chicago VAMC exploding body bag incidents with liquefied veteran remains. The Chairperson’s name on that lobby union board is Molly. Big hair, glasses, gravitational pull of Jupiter? Yeah, that’s the one…

  20. Pervitin. Ya vole, Heer VA Doctor!
    Now the VA and big Pharm along with congress are hell bent on killing us off with the poison the National Socialist German Workers People Party (nazi) foisted upon their citizenry, and military. Adolf was an addict… we (vets) going too get our pills wrapped in special foil also?
    Stay The Hell Away From The VA!

    A “file 319” vet. Not dead yet!

  21. MAPS’ completed trials w/107 participants, 61% no longer qualified for PTSD after 3 sessions of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy 2 months following treatment.

    At the 12-month follow-up, 68% no longer had PTSD.

    All participants had chronic, treatment-resistant PTSD & had suffered from PTSD for an average of 17.8 years.

    Is that not promising? or sound too good to be true.
    “https://www.maps.org/news/media/6786-press-release-fda-grants-breakthrough-therapy-designation-for-mdma-assisted-psychotherapy-for-ptsd,-agrees-on-special-protocol-assessment-for-phase-3-trials?pk_campaign=BTD2017&pk_kwd=pr-end”

    MAPS only have 25 of the needed 76 participants to be enrolled to receive Marijuana in their clinical trial of smoked marijuana for PTSD in veterans. I think they can’t find enough Veterans who have Never smoked so they don’t have the number needed to study. “https://www.maps.org/research/mdma/ptsd/veterans/news/6810-25th-participant-enrolls-in-smoked-marijuana-trial-for-chronic-ptsd-in-veterans”

    I read in one of their press releases that MAPS has a tent at the Burning Man festival. Party on.

    1. it sounds fishy honestly. It sounds like what their saying about the missile defense system at this point. I think it just shows the government is desperate for something to use against the opiate crisis and just doesn’t want to admit for some reason that cannabis has an important role to play. Incidentally, MDMA apparently can cause:

      nausea, chills, sweating, involuntary teeth clenching, muscle cramping, and blurred vision. MDMA overdose can also occur—the symptoms can include high blood pressure, faintness, panic attacks, and in severe cases, a loss of consciousness and seizures.

      I think I’ll just stick to my cannabis if it’s all the same Mr. G-Man.

      1. Although i will say that I’ve been hearing some good/interesting things about Psilocybin and LSD. I’ve experimented with both back in the day. Neither one was of high quality but I’ve had a couple of good trips wouldn’t mind pursuing that avenue as a therapeutic tool…

      2. they cannot allow cannabis to be used for anything at all. because once they allow it for one thing, the person using it for that one thing will realize that it cured the one thing, and everything else. and if they are smart they also will realize that you can get the cure-all cannabis in the best form, by growing it yourself and processing it in your kitchen. zero zero zero pharma involvement needed to cure just about everything.

  22. I’ve never been one to use pills for mental health as I always seem to have problems and reactions. It’s also hard for me to remember to take maintenance meds reliably. I use cannabis because it’s beneficial. I use it more as a rescue med akin to an inhaler. It helps give me breathing room to adjust my perspective before I do something really fucking stupid. It’s also easily dosed and effective almost immediately as opposed to waiting around for something to “hit”

    The act of growing cannabis indoors is also thereputic as the lights used replicate certain wavelengths of sunlight. Think light therapy for Seasonal Affective Disorder.

    So I have a meeting with both my state rep and state senator sometime in the next couple weeks to discuss amending the states MMJ program to include hardship cultivation waivers. Since the current Cartel has an iron clad hold over the states “legal patient” population those of us on the bottom are being butchered. So I’m going to try and get an exemption carved out for being a disabled vet, it might as well be good for something right?

    Interestingly enough I tend to lean Democrat more often than Republican. My rep is a D and the senator, whom I also voted for is a R. It should be interesting to see the ideology up close.

  23. Great, now the VA wants to alter your brain chemicals to obfuscate any potential for a claim with the use of synthetic drugs.
    Any person who would take a synthetic drug that has no strict controls is asking to become a zombie.
    When you alter your serotonin, dopamine and norephrine levels, you are at high risk for a medication induced movement disorder.
    The VA wants you to show up at the front desk dancing and tweaking out so that can claim you are an invalid and unable to care for yourself.
    This BIG Pharma movement is out of control. A good number of medications produced today have the same effect as class I psychotropic aka Thorazine, Haldol, Prolixin and so on.
    He’ll, a good number of cardiac meds produce simular effects. (cough, tics)

    These people are assholes!

    They want to turn you from a 1st degree black belt , into a second degree suspender champion!
    Don’t fall for it brothers and sisters!
    Perfect example of mass medical fraud!
    They did this type of experiment right
    after Vietnam.

    1. Watch/Re-watch great but disturbingly deep movie “Jacob’s Ladder”…it’s got the VA, God, Gov’t. chemical trials on soldiers in Vietnam…airdropped on own to induce them to fight more aggressively…really trippy movie…may trigger some mental PTSD shit but A LOT of truths in that movie.

  24. PTSD + methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) + Tramadol = Serotonin Syndrome, better known as Dead Veteran Syndrome.

    1. For that *very* reason, the VA will ensure the capsules or pill forms of MDMA are *identical* to Tramadol so the VA Pharmacists can have a little fun playing Molly Roulette with refills. 🙂

  25. As Batman’s Robin would exclaim, “Shades of Timothy O’Leary, Batman!”
    Are we in the “Twilight Zone”! Or, are we just, “One Step Beyond!”

    What The Fuck is VA up to now? Have they figured out HOW to “tune us out” quicker? Keeping veterans “dropped out” of society?

    I’ve heard and read articles, the DOD was doing things like this to active duty military, without their permission, back in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s!

    If this kind of shit continues, sure as hell something will break! I don’t believe it will be a too pleasurable experience for one “group of Americans!”

  26. Drugging didn’t work the first seventy years, withholding medications doesn’t work
    in these fifty years; marijuana is safer and inexpensive. Veterans are being volunteered for drug trials, disease and cancer research, DNA studies, etc. I have yet to find regulations governing human research criteria, and whistleblower protection for veterans. When we enlisted, what block or form said consent not required for research studies on military/veteran volunteers? What form said lifetime commitment (research) or “till death do we part”?

  27. “[…Once this is approved, think VA will hand out glow sticks, too?

    Na, the glow sticks would be rationed.]”

    1- VA subcontracts the glow sticks while pig pharma plays Dr. Psycho Delic.
    2- The subcontractor cuts a few corners to pad their profit margin on glow sticks.
    3- Vets die because the VA was telling the Vets to place glow sticks up our asses and that the ecstasy would be dispensed from the anal glow sticks.
    4- Glow sticks ended-up having deadly radium from Chinese Army Surplus, not a speck of X.
    5- VA Engorged Purple Teams took all the Molly.
    6- Wait for it…

  28. All I can say is , “holy fuck”!!! This is absolute proof that big pharma along with defense contractors run the show in DC. The great ones, Washington, Grant, Lee, Longstreet, Patton and so on are flipping in their caskets. A traumatized vet tripping on X, can anyone say suicide by cop…… wait for it……… Fuck off VA.

  29. You guys know I hate when people inject their political B.S. into disabled Veterans issues, sorry can’t help myself this time.

    Ecstacy? Of course, what’s the left always preaching? What the word needs now, is love, sweet love!! Maybe we can all sit around the camp fire and sing, coooooom by yah, that’s the ticket!!

    And then as 91 says, in comes the Jack booted VA, and instantly, the party is over.
    Might as well hand out a single shot pipe gun, and a map to the parking lot.

    Amazing, libs get needles and rubbers, when all along it’s Veterans getting drugged n fucked.

  30. “[…Once this is approved, think VA will hand out glow sticks, too?

    Na, the glow sticks would be rationed.]”

    I hear standing out in a lightening storm atop a barn with a nine iron raised-up is an effective way to get rid of stubborn body hair that standard electrolysis will not touch…but do I want to try it when there’s weed growing behind the barn?
    These assholes are already on loads of molly.

  31. LSD for ingrown toenails is next along with butt plugs for diarrhea. Both are touted as miracles since the only 43 sense. The doctor that was found guilty for molestation sentence has been waved by the Director of the Denver VA hospital and therapy will start in February 2027 right after the finish building a beautiful tiny home to administer the new products. They said that the tiny home can store 43,000 butt plugs and 540,000 sheets of acid being able to serve 3 veterans a week after breaks, lunch and lolligagging. Everyone is excited, the treatment tiny home will be dedicated to the later Senator Bird. They expect protest, but hired 435 new VA police officers per hospital to keep peace and throw out anyone who smells like urine. It’s a great day witnessing the VA moving forward! We tried speaking to the Director, but she was at a Yoga & Weed class reminding us smoke till yer broke in Colorado.

  32. When health care practices are fully considered, perhaps being treated like a fucking lab rat is a step up.

    Anyone note the base ingredient – methamphetamine? So, a guy has had a lifetime of PTSD and the stress that goes along with it, and probably accompanied by alcohol and other self abuse – all of which takes its toll on the heart. “So, let’s jack the boys up on some happy meth – what could possible go wrong…?” “You know, the problem with all those pesky ‘Nam vets is that those fuckers are still hangin in there – costing us a bundle…”

    Another favorite: “Thank you for your service to our country.” In my best Andy Rooney voice, “Have you ever noticed that they always say YOUR service to OUR country? Is that supposed to mean we’re already dead? Or does it simply mean we’re a second class citizen status? After all, who would be stupid enough to serve this country?”

    1. Windguy, it will be a step up until thousands of vets are addicted to Ecstasy…them there will be whining about the harmful effects, at which point vets will be abruptly cut off.

  33. I suspect the VA and Pig Pharma are behind this in order to head off any MJ being approved.

    How can you tell? Well, it got the “Breakthough!” treatment rather than the usual “more research is needed” treatment.

  34. Without reading the article, I suspect Ecstasy will be considered by the VA to be a great treatment for PTSD.

    Why? Because a veteran cannot grow Ecstasy in his back yard.

    1. 911 Veteran Ecstasy will kill you sooner than you think but you can’t stop you it’s your choice not my choice i definitely don’t smoke nothing and drink alcohol.

      1. Leatherneck, I’m not saying Ecstasy should be used. I’m saying the VA will happily push it because then they can control it as opposed to a vet growing MJ that they, and Pig Pharma can’t control.

      2. 91Veteran do you go on Facebook because I have a New Veteran Disabled Benefit Law to across to you do you want to here or FACEBOOK or telephone.

      3. @91Veteran – – – I just caught this, using two handles, not knowing you, and not saying anything. Strange to me. Watch. – – – Nutter

    2. It’s 3 treatments of Ecstasy only, under the supervision of a therapist that guides you through the trauma. I have to say that it has been effective in limited trials.
      BUT THERE IS NO WAY I’D WANT THE VA ADMINISTERING THIS TREATMENT!!

      You need excellent trained therapists to help you through this treatment. It’s a bit like throwing open the doors and examining every traumatic feeling AT THE SAME TIME while chemically feeling like the biggest hug in the world is around you. Does it work? Yes, it can, though we don’t know if it works long term. It seems to hold for at least a year or two. In the short term, it provides calm and ease. And allows the VA to throw you off the books as “healed” forcing you to go through the process of getting a rating again if it doesn’t hold up. There’s no good studies on it. And yet, it passed through all the bureaucracy in record time.

      Long term effects of MDMA (Ecstasy) run to cardiac issues and serotonin damage in the brain. There’s a lot of anecdotal evidence that points to Parkinson’s Disease in heavy users. There’s only one study on Parkinson’s and MDMA, though (it showed a connection). Everyone is unsure whether even small amounts in short periods will be safe from cardiac and serotonin effects. After all, they ARE declaring that it’s “rewiring your brain.” While I’m sure the VA version will be a step up from Street Molly, I still don’t trust it to rewire parts of my brain.

      Having said that, there are days when I’d practically take cyanide if I thought it would help my brain to stop hearing the flashbacks.

Comments are closed.

Scroll to Top

Send this to a friend