Maggot-gate: VA Staff Quit After Maggots Found In Elderly Veteran

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Oklahoma VA Maggots

Four Oklahoma state VA staff quit after one veteran resident died where maggots were found in a festering wound just prior to death.

The veteran, named Owen Reese Peterson, aged 73, died shortly after non-sterile maggots were found in an unhealed wound. The incident is reportedly at a state veterans’ retirement home in Talihina, OK. Peterson died of sepsis, likely linked to the infection.

Peterson, a Vietnam veteran from Texas, was an Army veteran, patriot and country poet.

Raymie Parker, his son, reportedly pled with facility workers to take better care of his father. “During the 21 days I was there, … I pled with the medical staff, the senior medical staff, to increase his meds so his bandages would be changed,” he said. “I was met with stonewall for much of that time.”

Charges may still be filed against the health care workers in connection with the death.

No Termination

Executive Director Myles Deering reported that the maggots were discovered while the veteran was still alive and that the parasites did not cause of death. “He succumbed as a result of the sepsis” and not the “result of parasites.”

Agency spokesman Shane Falkner said that before punishment following the investigation could commence, three nurses and one physician assistant reportedly quit to evade accountability, “All four chose to resign before the termination process began.”

The Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs refused to produce the investigation report when asked by members of the media citing privacy concerns.

Maggots Were Not Sterile Kind

As for the type of maggots, one commenter apparently familiar with incident asserted the maggots were not the sterile kind used for certain treatments but instead non-sterile maggots that may have transmitted the bacteria causing sepsis:

“The maggots were not the sterile blow fly larvae that can be prescribed in the United States as an approved medical device. Rather they were non-sterile maggots which may have transmitted the bacteria responsible for the sepsis, but we may never know.”

While not linked to the same budgetary problems as the federal Department of Veterans Affairs, state retirement homes have long been plagued with problems linked to unaddressed patient neglect.

We all know our veterans deserve better, but even state funded bureaucrats do not apparently agree, at least in Oklahoma.

As an aside, the physician assistant linked to this scandal was rehired by another state VA facility shortly after he quit.

Physician Assistant Rehired

According to Tulsa World, a follow-up inquiry revealed the state agency may have misled the World in its response to questions on the resignations:

Only after following up on an anonymous tip with Veterans Affairs officials did the World learn that the physician assistant was rehired a month after his resignation and is now working at the veterans center in Lawton.

“We didn’t try to mislead the reporter. She asked for the resignation date. He resigned from Talihina,” Shane Faulkner, public information officer for the Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs, said Friday.

Faulkner released the names of the four employees to a reporter, but the Tulsa World is not naming the individuals because no criminal charges have been filed in the case.

Jeff Smith, district attorney for LeFlore and Latimer counties, said he has yet to receive a report from Veterans Affairs, but the agency indicated it would forward information to his office.

A check of the four health care workers’ state credentials turned up no history of disciplinary action against the three registered nurses who resigned in the wake of 73-year-old Peterson’s death. But the physician assistant who resigned Oct. 14 and was rehired Nov. 14 has had two disciplinary actions against him by the Oklahoma Board of Medical Licensure and Supervision, including one for which he is currently serving a five-year probation.

According to state licensing records, the physician assistant was first put on probation in 2005 for two years following a narcotics violation. He surrendered his license in June 2014 following a complaint of “unprofessional conduct.” According to records, the complaint alleged that he was not being properly supervised, as is required for all physician assistants, and was being identified to callers as a doctor.

His license was reinstated in late January — more than 18 months after its surrender — and with five years’ probation.

Doug Elliott, deputy director at the state Department of Veterans Affairs, said the physician assistant was first hired in February at the Lawton/Fort Sill Veterans Center and was transferred to Talihina in late August or early September.

“We knew about the disciplinary action. We do a background check on all PAs, doctors and nurse practitioners prior to them entering our building,” Elliott said. “In this instance, he had to have supervision eight hours per week, meaning there has to be a doctor there. That was imposed by the medical licensure board.”

What a tragedy.

Sources:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/physician-assistant-who-resigned-in-wake-of-veteran-s-death/article_ed574264-538f-5631-abc7-94c6df3ae217.html

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/health/four-resign-from-talihina-veterans-center-after-resident-found-with/article_7fcaa06d-e11e-5b4d-82d8-e0a8918ec284.html

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Rick Brine
Rick Brine
Completely irresponsible and biased reporting, leading the audience believe that the Veteran’s death was directly due to the maggots found in his wound causing Sepsis. We have no idea of the Veteran’s initial condition and co-morbidities prior to this event. He could have been immuno-compromised to begin with. Nor can we ascertain the actual amount of care or lack thereof he received by staff – This article tells us nothing about if they were aware of the festering wound or not. We also do not know if a consult was placed to wound care services. Without any actual background information… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Excuse me Rick,

You are saying essentially, that people should not be reporting on the circumstances surrounding this Veterans death. So basically you are of the opinion that Veterans should just lay-down and die quietly off in some corner without anyone knowing about the fucking incompetence of VA employees and the total failures of the Veterans Administration.

Go suck on a 9mm and please play with the trigger while doing it.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Speaking of Maggots and VA employees who could use a good self induced 9mm climax. I see Thomas Schiller has quit at Tomah just like the employees in this article shortly before going to hearings for their misconduct. So they can pop back up in the VA whack a mole game of no accountability somewhere else in the VA with no record of there misconduct. The Acting Medical Director at Tomah Victoria Brahm has said “we are continuing reporting procedures to the State Licensing Board and the National Practitioner Data Bank”. Does that mean they will only be reporting to… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey, Seymore.
Rick might be the type of person who’d “play Russian Roulette” with a semi-auto 9mm! At least we could hope, right!
So early, an the TROLLS are already committed to spraying their pixy dust!

namnibor
namnibor
Notice the virulent trolls come out in force early whenever it’s something hands-down unmistakably GOT CAUGHT? Also notice how the VA tries to minimize situations by attempting immediately to redefine the situation such as “sepsis” not the actual “maggots” as contributing to this Vet’s death? With those Vets potentially exposed to HIV and other infectious diseases from VA Deathcare, the VA would say to a Vet actually infected that it must have come from unprotected sex or try to accuse said Vets as IV drug users sharing needles in VA parking lots. I am quite sick of all this redefining… Read more »
Angela Johnson
Angela Johnson
Hello Ben, and all, Well, I can tell you this is very sad. This incident breaks my heart. Anyone who stands up for the VA is this situation needs to experience some maggots themselves. Many of these employees need to be put on the veteran side of the fence and experience for themselves what it is like to be a patient under the disgusting VA care. Now, let me tell you the focus of the VA. I have a situation where I called the nurse to start planning my blood work for a January appointment with primary care. They are… Read more »
John Cokos
John Cokos

Seymore Klearly Would that be the old Lateral Transfer VA side shuffle that I’ve heard about.

CARPETBAGGERS……

Eric Brogen
Eric Brogen

The key phrase in this article is “21 days”, that’s it. Nothing more can be said about the competency of every staff member there. How can you be under medical watch of any kind and have maggots in your wound after “21 days”. Every person that was involved needs to be fired and every license revoked.

Angela Johnson
Angela Johnson
Just overheard the situation about this veteran who died with the maggots on Fox News. During the commentary from Pete Hegeasth and while listening to him speak about the VA situation, I just started crying. This veteran’s son begged the VA for 21 days to change bandages and deal with meds. This pathetic negligence runs deep. There are, though, some decent employees but the bad seeds need to be fired and maybe be thrown into prison. Get damn rid of this union and get legislation passed through immediately to allow these bad seeds to be fired. Get rid of McDonald.… Read more »
CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
The presence of maggots is disturbing and is a factual cause of infection. Furuncular myiasis is the cause of bot flies being introduced into this wound. Unless there were missing maggots unaccounted for in a surgery, you have a serious problem here. From what the evidence shows , this veteran was not in a surgical facility and that regardless of him being in a State run VA, the OIG and the VA have oversight over Veterans care.Defending the undefendable is shameful and the reporting is needed because of many factual cover up tactics by VA, VA surrogates and those who… Read more »
Angela Johnson
Angela Johnson

Benjamin,

Is Donald Trump going to listen to middle America veterans? Somebody needs to. The vets need to be heard. I would love a meeting with Donald Trump.

Get the elites out of the picture.

Angela

namnibor
namnibor

@ Rick Brine- BITE MY SALTY ASS!

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

I really have too much I want say about this CUCK! He’s over on facebook.

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91Veteran
91Veteran

A completely irresponsible and biased comment.

Read the linked Tulsa World articles.

John Cokos
John Cokos

Get a grip, they were former VA employees’s doing charitable work at the VA…

Kathy Reilly
Kathy Reilly
I am a Wound Nurse, nationally certified, and gratefully retired. Nothing new here. I have seen patients come in to both civilian and VA/Military Hospitals in this same condition. Wounds are often “community-acquired” (i.e. patient likely had the wound develop at home or at a nursing home) and we document their presence upon admission. Not unusual for wounds to develop at home, be neglected, have portions become dead/necrotic and due to appalling home conditions develop maggots BEFORE they come to the Hospital. In my considered professional opinion you CANNOT assume the wound developed in those 21 days, became infected, and… Read more »
Angela
Angela

Thanks for your message.

T
T
I totally agree. 21? I’ve been around a lot of sickness and death. Oh yeah, bugs and critters with the homeless and poorer. Had my share of those loving crabs, lice and scabies… what a pain in the yeah. Been a care taker and death bed sitter more times than I can count. Dressed various problem wounds, a lot of home care, dealt with lousy nursing homes/staff, and all the rest. It, this is, the reason a dear aunt retired early from her hospital RN positions after many years due to medical practices changes, incompetence, short staffed, uncaring attitudes, patient… Read more »
Max Tague
Max Tague

You sir are a complete asshole and know nothing about what is going on in the va, over med to cover up the fact that they seldom help any Vereran.

anthony
anthony

There is no possible reason for a pt to have maggots in a wound that are not medical maggots. The fact the maggots were in the wound means the wound was not cleaned….it means the wound was not even LOOKED at for quite some time.
It is very unlikely the maggots were the cause of anything. But the fact the wound was not treated, cleaned, observed over a period long enough for a fly to lay its eggs and the maggots to grow in the wound of a wounded warrior, lead to the sepsis.

Kathy Reilly
Kathy Reilly
Anthony: see my previous comment above. I am a Board Certified Wound Nurse. I believe you are correct in that there was some long period when the dressing wasn’t changed, nor the wound was cleaned. I believe the fly infestation happened prior to admission. Then the time lines work out more reasonably. Maggots feed on dead necrotic tissue. We use medical maggots to remove dead tissue. It wound be fair to assume there was dead tissue in the wound – maggots had something to live on. Something else lives on dead necrotic tissue. That would be bacteria. Not a stretch… Read more »
Cynthia Johnson

Anyone with physical contact with this patient should have known if there were ANY wounds, bruises, scratches etc. If you are taking care of someone in any medical setting you should know them from head to toe. Those people that resigned more than likely knew that man had that festering wound. He was neglected & got shitty care!

Juperlative
Juperlative

Dude…. there is just no justifiable reason for maggots, and an unchanged wound dressing for 21 days, in an approved healthcare facility. This is not Namibia, these are not 3rd world country refugees, and this does not happen to those deemed more “worthy”. What matters less than if the sepsis was caused by the maggots, is that there was maggots. and someone wasnt doing their job, a man died. End of story.
If you require better journalism than that to see there is something wrong, well, there is just not helping you.

J

Inexcusable. It is no wonder veterans don’t want to burden anyone any more. Vets don’t complain often until it is too late. The VA takes advantage of the humility and courage of veterans. I bet the three vets that died in one night in Atlanta were a pact. The VA is a miserable place.

State VA - not Federal VA
State VA - not Federal VA

The article is about the Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs – not the Federal Dept of Affairs. Completely different animals.

“While not linked to the same budgetary problems as the federal Department of Veterans Affairs, state retirement homes…”

It’s reprehensible what happened, but perhaps better point out the organization. Readers could easily miss the State vs Federal part. Note “Seymore Klearly’s” reply. In only the 3rd post there’s confusion.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

No confusion here. It is federally funded State VA that is inspected and funded by the US department of Veterans affairs. Same fricking animal.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

These State nursing homes are funded by US department of Veterans affairs who inspects, certifies and pays for the construction an maintenance of and at these nursing homes.

namnibor
namnibor

@State VA – not Federal VA— BITE ME!

Bill
Bill
Are you kidding me? You low life goverment I need a job…cant get it any where else) are killing us. You pukes collect your blood money and then have the balls to xome to our forum trying to protect your discusting asses. Nothing is wrong with this corrupt, discusting system that a few hundred thousand pink slips and bulldozers wont fix My “doctors” cannot understand why i refuse to take thier pills, here is another example of the many many persanal stoies of what they have done to me. I can only imagine this poor soul being laughed at by… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

These trolls need to read the comment from the staff saying the pain pump was death, and that he is not in the business of death.
Anyone involved in the provision of medical care that is that ignorant about a pain pump needs to find another line of work. Or be out into a situation where they need a pain pump.

Warhorse
Warhorse

Where’s the confusion? Veterans are being mistreated. Doesn’t get much clearer than that. Wake the fuck-up people, get your head out of your asses and see what they’re doing to us.

Red Skelton
Red Skelton

Trump is going to fix everything!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

IP address

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Seymore, did you notice, on yesterday’s “comments section”, a couple of vets, in that area, have never received letters concerning that dentist’s crap. (As Tomah, VA said they sent out letters!)
Marilyn, said she called her PCP, and no one knew why she was calling. How’s that for accepting accountability for that dentist’s bullshit!

namnibor
namnibor
@Crazy elf- Yes, I noticed that and also that’s why I mentioned in a post there that number of just less than 600 affected and potentially infected Veterans is MUCH larger. Some bean counter at the VA determined with The Rand Corp. that a number just less than 600 was more appealing to public relations than leaving the ‘zero’ more likely removed at end by the VA. These bastards are just plain ruthlessly evil and if they did not work at the VA they would be serial killers but since they have ample warm bodies to KILL at the VA,… Read more »
Richard Young
Richard Young

The puke was probably bolting down whatever fentanyl he could sludge out. Happened in Exeter, NH a few years ago. The cross-referenced PA also had hepatitis, or something , and contributed it to dozens of victim patients. His unioun had a long record of resignations and new jobs.

namnibor
namnibor
“Executive Director Myles Deering reported that the maggots were discovered while the veteran was still alive and that the parasites did not cause of death. “He succumbed as a result of the sepsis” and not the “result of parasites.” So….according to the VA, “sepsis” is entirely acceptable, flies or no flies? THIS SHIT WILL NO LONGER ‘FLY’ WITH WE VETERANS. And to the “TROLL” trying to mince semantics of ‘State/Federal VA’…as Seymoure Klearly clearly pointed-out, it’s all from the SAME coffer$. They QUIT because they got CAUGHT. No other reason. GOT CAUGHT! The VA Medical simply needs demolished and MANY… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Then cement the sides of the buildings-up and let bake. Then demolish.

namnibor
namnibor

Let the cement set and forget. SHAMWOW.

91Veteran
91Veteran

What is vastly different about this story than say, Charles Ingram who burned himself to death after not getting care at the VA is that if you do a search on “Owen Reese Peterson”, this story is being covered far and wide by media big and small, and bloggers.
Perhaps since its a state VA facility, they don’t have the 100+ PR hacks the Fed’s do to squash a story.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
All I can say is, whomever takes over as Secretary of VA, better get on the ball and start prosecuting individuals, PRONTO! And start with anyone connected with the AFGE! This is just another case of; “Oh, well, even IF I’m caught doing something wrong. All I have to do is, quit my job today. Then be rehired, at another facility, today!” Thereby, still drawing a federal paycheck. Not being held accountable. Not being “charged with a crime!” Or, how about this, “I can murder veterans, (patients), and not be prosecuted!” This seems to be the mindset of *just about*… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
You know, I wish a reporter would ask that jackass Deering if they had any evidence of that facility contacting anyone about what they should do for this patient. For 21 days his son requested the pump, then he died. Did anyone at that facility contact anyone outside that facility on what they should do? Or did they just point at the policy showing they needed a medical director before they could allow the pump. Or…did that PA actually contact someone, they told him no, he couldn’t transfer the vet anywhere, that he would just have to do without the… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey, let’s not forget the vets son, BEGGING the VA medical staff for 21 days. So his father would receive better medical care! WTF OVER!
How many articles have been written, where relatives have BEGGED VHA staff to give better medical care to their loved ones!

namnibor
namnibor

I have pleaded to relatives that I would rather be taken care of by rabid wolves in the woods when my health goes further downhill than to ever go to a VAMC or VA Hospice until…the swamp is finally drained. Wolves are much more attentive and compassionate than these phuques.

91Veteran
91Veteran
I’m curious why state officials refuse to release their investigation report. Why can they not redact any identifying information from the report? If I were his son, you can bet your ass I would be getting a copy. I wonder if they are refusing to release it because it implicates officials outside that facility. If given the chance, any bureaucrat will throw someone else under the bus to save their own ass, yet in this instance, they not only said the PA did all he could, but they quickly rehired him. As it is, the state vet centers there have… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

ALL Veterans: Please forward today’s story to President Elect Trump’s new website and reference this date and story. I just did and we need to make sure these bastards are part of the drained swamp water.
Here’s the link: “https://www.greatagain.gov/”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Hey y’all, Please, google and read this article out from “Military Daily News”, 2 Dec, 2016. By Brendan McGarry. Too bad it took so long to get out to everyone. What are the VSO’s trying to hide or cover-up? Titled; “Vets Groups to Trump Team: Don’t Privatize VA” 30 VSO’s “…met in a closed door meeting…” to discuss this issue. It was implemented by the American Legion. The “Big Six” were all in compliance to keep VA as it is! Just fix what’s wrong. In that case, we all know what that means! They’ll lose their “cash cow”! Plus, why… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Am I surprised the Legion is leading this? No. If you recall, I commented here about attending a Legion town hall here last March. The Legion has been pushing their “Save our System” crap all over the country. After that town hall, I spoke with the Legion officer leading that farce. He gave me his card, said he wanted a copy of the comments I made, and that he wanted to follow up and make sure the problems I had were addressed. I emailed him the comments months ago. About a month ago, I remembered I had never gotten a… Read more »
Bill
Bill

Man This article got me hoing. I hate feeling of ptsd in the morning.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

I just woke up and read this bullshit. PTSD singing on all cylinders. Time for some of my medical cannabis. Thanks VA I hope you all rot and die.

L. Smith
L. Smith

@Rick Brine
The benefit of the doubt rules at VA. Maggots may have caused the sepsis which killed Mr. Peterson or not. Sepsis itself deserves care and treatment by health care workers. That man needed priority care by a doctor who could prescribe pain medication and then antiSEPTIC treatment to get those maggots killed.

Ok why did the health care workers quit their jobs?

L. Smith
L. Smith
Carefully remove the bandage and inner gauze pads from the wound site. Rinse the wound with tap water and gentle soap. Clean the wound thoroughly and get rid of any debris you see. If you see a very small number of maggots in the wound, sterilized tweezers can be used to pick them. Do this carefully and use medical blunt-edge tweezers to avoid tearing the wound tissues. Clean the wound with peroxide afterwards and change the bandage. If there is a larger maggot infestation, refer to these steps of removal: Pour a cap of hydrogen peroxide into the wound site.… Read more »
Angela Johnson
Angela Johnson

Thank you for pointing the medical procedure out. This veteran could have been cared for with having been put into a priority status. Nobody deserves to be treated with such disregard and neglect. Thanks.

91Veteran
91Veteran

…For 21 days. At least.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Y’all know how the MSN, and the White House, has said “No voter fraud was committed!” Well, that’s not true. There were many cases of voter fraud being committed by the “Left Wing Nut Liberals” on Nov 8th. Here’s proof from Milwaukee just in. This video, from the “Alex Jones Show”, David Knight reporting, gives factual data coming to light on Jill Stein’s recount attempt. (Posted 4 Dec. 2016) Titled; “Jill Stein Actually Helping The Trump Campaign” Go to the 20:30 minute mark to see real proof on what these maggots attempted to pull off! Also, even though Stein missed… Read more »
P
P
I worked at the Va and have seen the mismanagement of patients there. One problem they have is a terrible record of dealing with the patients who suffer from alcoholism. I have seen patients die from alcohol withdrawal and their treatment of this is terrible. I would find out if he was in withdrawal from alcohol and that is why his behavior was neglected. He may have been psychotic during those 21 days and they did not treat this condition as he should have. This is as bad a neglect as the maggots. If he was living in filth at… Read more »
Cletus N Clovis
Cletus N Clovis

Bless you for your wisdom, caring and empathy.

P
P
I am sure there are more to blame for this kind of neglect than just the frontline staff. There is probably a systemic problem with how they deliver care. How could the head nurse allow this to happen? Did she complain to the top leadership and did they do nothing to change this delivery of care. I suspect so. Was the CHIEF OF STAFF NOT AWARE? WHY NOT? They always blame those on the bottom when the top officials were aware and did nothing. It is a system that tries to cover up for those at the top who do… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

P

Where in this article does it say anything about this veteran having alcoholism or a neglected home. He did not lay there for 21 days with the maggots those came at the nursing home.

P
P

Where does it say he came from a nursing home? I am looking for reasons why his behavior was so difficult that the staff could not get in there to change his dressings.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

So P stands for Piss ant. Fricken VA employee.

91Veteran
91Veteran

In reply to your comment below in which you mention the Chief of Staff, one of the Tulsa World articles quotes the son as saying the staff there was very good…it was the upper management/administration who refused the pain pump.

Which is why I am curious over the state officials refusing to release their report.

91Veteran
91Veteran

In answer to your question about why the staff could not change his dressing…I read an article somewhere quoting his son that the vet wanted the pain pump to manage the pain from changing his dressing. Since the policy existed that required some medical director be at that facility to oversee administering the pain pump, and that facility not having a director, they chose to ignore the need to change his dressing.

Bill
Bill

There are other ways to treat pain. Why not transfer him to a hospital? But when dealing with NO HUMAN SUBJECTS why take ordinary steps to prevent death?

Is this being investigated as a criminal act?

Bp and cholesteral drugs is all I let VA quavks fo to me. PERIOD

91Veteran
91Veteran
I don’t know why this vet wanted a pain pump…perhaps he had one once before and was familiar with the relief it gave him. I have had a pain pump before after an ACL repair. The surgery and the pump was provided by a private doctor after the VA initially said there was nothing wrong with my knee…then told me they couldn’t do surgery for 6 months after I proved what was wrong with an MRI from that private doc. The pain came on quickly and was intense, but a couple pushes on the button and it was gone almost… Read more »
Cletus N Clovis
Cletus N Clovis

quote from this article, “Agency spokesman Shane Falkner said that before punishment following the investigation could commence, three nurses and one physician assistant reportedly quit to evade accountability, “All four chose to resign before the termination process began.””

THIS TELLS ME ALL i NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHO IS TO BLAME.

91Veteran
91Veteran
I believe it was the Tulsa World article I read that has very good detail on this issue, particularly that the family member had been requesting a pain pump for possibly 21 days. 3 weeks or longer to change dressings on wounds and these hacks couldn’t do it because there was no medical director? Ok, no medical director, why not transfer the guy to another facility, at least to have the dressings changed? FFS it wasn’t like this guy was a walk-in. He was an in patient in this shithole. As for the weaseling on whether he died from sepsis… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
I am also betting the so-called Patient Advocate was out to lunch, per usual at any VAMC, for 21 consecutive days. This is a systemic problem and playing whack-a-mole with the VA will never drain this swamp because it’s like an infestation of cockroaches or something along those lines. You can BET that if that VAMC needed say, a new espresso machine for one of their break rooms, someone would have neglected Veteran patients and gone to Walmart and purchased one before the old espresso machine became room temperature. But a patient with sepsis and maggots, not so much a… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

I seriously believe he was rehired because he did contact someone outside the facility, and they told him to suck it up and deal with it.

I think some state VA officials are covering their ass.

namnibor
namnibor

Well, Leavenworth Prison is conveniently just in the adjoining State. Make sure the entire prisoner population knows what these bastards did before releasing him into the general population, close doors, lights off, set and forget.

FLB
FLB

Nice job L. Smith!

namnibor
namnibor

Benjamin’s Bad VA Art today will have me looking at crinkle French fries with an entirely different mindset.

Doyle J
Doyle J

I left a comment on the previous article about the dentist regarding this that may have alerted the author that I cannot find on either story.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Right now on WBDO, 96.5 FM, the woman who’s reporting is slamming the VA in Tomah, Wisconsin.
She’s wondering why “Thomas Schiller” isn’t facing any criminal charges!
She’s been going off on this for over an hour.
The wife and I are wondering why criminal charges can’t be brought against anyone, even if they decide to quit!?
Seems to me, just because a person quits, shouldn’t stop charges from being pursued!
Am I wrong in thinking this?

namnibor
namnibor

I always was led to believe that once you were in the mob/gangster organization the only way out was cement shoes or natural death?! I view the VA’s relationship with the AFGE as exactly that, organized crime on steroids.
I am really glad this is getting the coverage it is but it’s unfortunate Veterans have to die horrific deaths for that to rise up above the Kardashians lunch menu. Bastards.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I don’t think you are wrong Elf. The director already said he passed orientation by using the proper instruments, yet he chose to do his own thing regardless of training.
I would think criminal negligence at a minimum.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Elf,

91Veteran is right, but if there is no investigation by the VA then who will refer Thomas Schiller for charges.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Seymore,
Since this issue has reached the main stream media, couldn’t the state take up the investigation? Then, if warranted, be brought before a Grand Jury for indictment, then trial, then ———-!

91Veteran
91Veteran

According to one of the articles I read, the state VA was supposed to be forwarding their report to the states attorney.

That has not happened yet.

Wouldn’t it be interesting if the states attorney decided to charge that PA…after the state rehired him elsewhere?

To be clear, I would be shocked if anything happened…unless the media pushes for answers. The veteran is from Texas and his son lives in GA. I can’t see the states attorney pushing state good ol boys for some out of town guy.

Lem
Lem

I think you’ll find that privatization and decentralization are a bigger problem than the AFGE and the AFGE employee job protection is a HUGE PROBLEM. And this is not just a VA problem. Better hope you don’t get assigned a private care facility for long term care via a VA contract. There are no controls or inspections to save costs and that is the problem all along the line which allows the escape by bad employees. No log entries to get rid of them with.

Sharon clark
Sharon clark
2.5 years ago my husband had a 10.5 hour back surgery to repair lumbar fractures, one of which was a blown out vertebra that occurred when he fell while waiting over a month to be scheduled for an MRI that was requested by the VA’s own emergency dept Doctor. The surgery was performed at another hospital and he was sent back to the VA for rehab. Instead of putting him in a medical unit to care for his incisions (anterior and posterior), they put him in a fast track PT unit. The doctor in charge explained to me that they… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

I sincerely hope with every cell of my body that President Elect Trump realizes gravity and weight of importance of whom he selects for VA Secretary. Our very lives as Veterans depends upon it.

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