Chow Time? Veterans Affairs Serving Dangerously Raw, Expired Food To Veterans

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Hines VA Raw Food

One Veterans Affairs hospital previously plagued with repeated scandals is in the news again today for serving raw and expired food to veterans and staff.

Hines VA Hospital, located just outside Chicago, is noted have problems ranging from whistleblower retaliation to illegal surgeries killing veterans to allowing veterans to melt after death rather than be buried. The new scandal at the facility focuses on the dangerously poor quality of the food it serves to staff and veterans.

RELATED: Vet Corpses Left To Rot, Liquefy At Hines VA

An anonymous whistleblower provided photos to The Daily Caller (TheDC) of raw chicken allegedly served to at least one of the diners at Hines VA. The whistleblower reports the food is often served still raw and that many other meals are also expired when served to veterans.

When chicken is served raw and eaten, veterans are at risk of getting ill from a bacteria called Salmonella. Eating such chicken can result in gastrointestinal distress and similar problems.

The conditions complained of there have been plaguing the facility for at least a year but have gone substantively unaddressed during that time.

RELATED: Malpractice, Deadly Heart Care Confirmed At Hines VA

Hines VA Documentation Of Unsafe Conditions

The whistleblower provided numerous photographs to TheDC reposted here that confirm the extent of the conditions in the kitchen and dining area at Hines VA.

You will notice in one photo, a dead mouse was left to rot in a bucket of water. In another photo, a hole was left in the ceiling, exposing food and diners to unsafe dust particles in the building. And in the other, you will see food products set for use after their respective expiration dates.

Hines VA Mouse

Hines VA Expired Food

Head Of Nutrition Selling Handbags?

Starting at the beginning of the year, Valerie Adegunleye, the Hines VA staff responsible for nutrition, has been selling handbags from her side business during work hours at the facility.

So it sounds like the fox is guarding the hen house on this one. Complaints by VA employees to Adegunleye have fallen on deaf ears as she has failed to take any action.

Germaine Clarno, a known whistleblower at the facility, had this to say about the conditions and actions of Adegunleye:

Apparently, Mrs. Adegunleye is spending time working on a side business during duty time here at Hines.  I will be forwarding a few snapshots of her Facebook page with time stamps.  She is communicating with her clients and there is a picture of her merchandise taken from her office. Not only is this abuse of government paid duty status it is dishonorable that she is spending time away from her service at a period in which the kitchen is under scrutiny and in crisis.

VA Public Affairs Comment

Rick Fox, public affairs officer for the Hines VA, declined to address the conditions directly while saying the hospital is dedicated to maintaining sanitary working conditions.

“Providing a safe environment and quality care for our Veterans is our top priority at Hines VA Hospital. That includes serving quality, nutritious food that is prepared and delivered under sanitary conditions. Facility leadership is actively involved in improvements and staff monitor all aspects of food preparation daily, remediating any issues as they arise,” Fox stated.  “We have made dramatic improvements at our facility and expect to begin a total remodel of the kitchen later this summer. We take all allegations regarding employee misconduct seriously. While we will not comment on any proposed disciplinary action or performance reviews, we hold our employees accountable for their actions.”

Clarno had this to say in response to Fox’s evasive answer:

This statement does not reflect the experiences of the staff or our veterans. No veteran should ever have to threat to go on a hunger strike due to the poor quality of food and lack of customer service. Leadership of the food service is aware of the ongoing problems and continue to avoid taking the necessary steps to resolve issues. Just about a year ago cockroaches were found on veteran’s food trays and the crisis in the kitchen continues with no one in kitchen leadership being held accountable. I am not sure which kitchen is getting a ‘total remodel’ but the last employees were told only a section of the flooring and ceiling will be replaced in the main kitchen.

It’s chow time folks. Just head straight west of Chicago a few minutes and you can get the most interesting dining experience at Hines VA Hospital.

Chicken, anyone… anyone?

Source: http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/11/va-hospital-serves-raw-food-to-vets/

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OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

“Providing a safe environment and quality care for our Veterans is our top priority at Hines VA Hospital…… same old bullshit different hospital and i will take a pass on the chicken.. BEN

91Veteran
91Veteran

Isn’t it disgusting how blatantly little Ricky Fox lies?

VAISLYING INC
VAISLYING INC

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OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Government of Morons and War Criminals

Berta Simmons
Berta Simmons

These vets would have been better off if this VA gave them C rats and a P 38.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

your right about that LOL

NiteWish
NiteWish

May 20, 2017 Veterans March On America
“https://www.vetsmarchonamerica.com/”

I remember reading the dates on hotdogs during working parties bringing supplies onto the ship 1957 some said.

Dennis
Dennis

That looks like a Communist mouse!!!

The Russians have indeed infiltrated the system….

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Do you think they may of bugged the kitchen too?

namnibor
namnibor

Are you speaking of the bugs working in the loafing meat canteen or the insects or electronic surveillance? Maybe they are all one and the same in care of VA Genomic Labs in a ‘Pinky and The Brain’ kind of way?

Hannah Reitsch
Hannah Reitsch

Sherman County Oregon to spray round up on 2000 acre organic farm.

Hannah Reitsch
Hannah Reitsch

Valerie is not a hungry hippo.
From the only photo i could find, it looks like she’s a very very well fed hippo.
did she gain all that weight by eating in the VA kitchen?

js
js

Drain the swamp!!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Adegunleye when to school in Stevens Point, then looks like she went right to work for the VA out of college in Maryland.

She currently makes $111,000 a year and has to sell friggin handbags while on duty?

If you do a little research on that lazy bimbo, you find out not only was Senator Mark Kirk calling for her firing for cockroaches served to vets, but Isakson managed to get off his Stairmaster long enough to mention the cockroaches on the Senate floor.

Last year. Mayy 2016.

And clearly nothing has been done since.

What’s laughable is one internet article from 2011 on the Maryland VA web page says she was a certified serve-safe instructor while there, with the article offering summer food safety tips.

What the fuck is safe about serving raw chicken? Cockroaches and dead mice in your kitchen?

Oh, but she won Maryland’s Dietetic Association’s Young Dietician of the year in 2010. I wonder if they want their award back?

According to a listing of VA good service expenditures from 2014, Hines, under this ditz had a $1.6 million budget…yet they can’t cook their food? I guess the cockroaches and mice are garnishes?

Her salary went from $57, 564 in 2007, with bonuses between $500 and $4000 until 2013, but in 2015 her salary was $111,688 with no bonuses for 2014 or 2016.

I can see why she had to resort to selling cheap shit while on duty.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Please excuse the auto cowrecks.

Angela
Angela

I do not see how anyone making over 100000 thousand dollars a year needs to sell damn handbags. I guess with that college degree from Maryland she did not learn how to count her pennies and she has no math skills whatsoever. Probably a basket weaving degree and bogus food service or nutrition certifications. On a daily basis, I notice that standards are rarely even honored or followed anymore. We are gradually edging towards Socialism. Take a look at Venezuela today. A damn mess. Maternal deaths 60% increase in Venezuela due to Socialism. And, the issues with the bad chicken and bad VA food service shows we are headed that way. Socialism is not about taking care of people. It is about taking away the rights from everyone. President Trump is doing what he can do. He can’t do it all by himself. Though, I wonder who handled the U.S. – China deal with the chicken. China does not have the health safety regulations that we have here in the United States. Avian Flu comes from bad and raw chicken. We do not need to be buying chicken from China. I believe they are buying our beef. The VA needs to be shut down with every function transitioned to outside services. Although, there is lack of accountability and lack of ethicallity everywhere. The private sector, though, seems to have more legal measures to enforce accountability than the VA does. And too, most civilian employees who have jobs would not be running a side business with their primary job particularly if the primary job was not being done. The civilian employee would be fired. Best.

Jughead
Jughead

What a Slapper . I bet that these purses were complete garbage anyways. The VA makes people strive to do the exact opposite of what is normal and correct. The food at the V.A. is already scum, no need to use expired or old anything. Also, the Hines VA is close to Ground zero of a black race war in Chicago and I wonder how many African Americans are currently employed at the Hines VA and if said employment would have any impact on statistics. The purse selling bitch is white which surprised me but at the same time didn’t. Surprised me that she worked there but no surprise that she was selling her bags. She is probably raping male veterans as well. Everyday is another story of some scum cunts getting away with whatever they want while some one legged kid is waiting 15 hours for the Fat Clerk to get off their W.O.W. game and inform them that the appointment was cancelled due to a training conference.

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Dennis
Dennis

I decided to offer some constructive input;

Are they still serving ice cream for the VA folks? I am betting the whole crew at Hines calls in sick that day. Ever wonder why VA folks bring sack lunches and pockets of change for the vending machines to work? Or maybe this is why they only serve Thousand Island dressing in VA salad bars? Maybe those aren’t pickle chunks after all…

I suggest we commision the supercomputers at DOE to simulate what flies look like in the salad dressing just to make sure. With all the artificial intelligence going around in VA it is just so hard to tell what is real intelligence and what is artificial, right? Maybe the DOE can glean cooking ideas from the HAL-2000 for the VA based on the genomic data of what they find in the food served? Let’s run some DNA samples from the food pronto! If it aint beef, pork, poultry, fish, rodent, or tofu, then there might be another whole issue involved!

Do you suppose AFGE gets a commision off of snack machine sales? Kickbacks from the snack cake industry could be huge! (the asses on some of those VA folks tell the whole story)

This concludes my constructive input.

Lem
Lem

Following

Warhorse
Warhorse

That poor mouse. I bet the “kitchen ogre” water boarded that poor little fucker cause he was also a whistle blower. Looks like an AFGE “hit” that’s been exposed.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

water boarding a Russian mouse how cruel can they get .. I,LL pass on the rice also

Dennis
Dennis

@OLDMARINE

…I don’t think those wigglu things in the salad are rice….

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE, @Dennis – – – They’re fresh la maggotoes with out tomato sauce, but with a garlicky clear sauce. Try’m, once you get by their looks, their in your mouth.

LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ
LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ

I SAY ALL REAL AND TRUE VETERANS GO AND LITERALLY TAKEOVER RACH VA FACILITY. DISARM THE REPUGNANT VA POLICE, THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL VA RUN PROPERLY…..

Dennis
Dennis

But then the nasty people would shoot at me and call me bad names.

Are there mice in prison?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

OK @LUVMY4LEGGEDKIDZ, who are you? Are you an undercover agent for the Veteran Militia Army? Veteran’s Love Ones of AMerica? Confederate Army? Nixon, Clinton, Obama Administrations?

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Thought I saw one of my Congress Critters frolicking in that bucket of water . . . She weren’t wearing her swimsuit neither!

The winner of the “Maryland Young Dietitian of the Year” for 2010, is now hoping to help veterans using the Vomitus Salmonella Nutritional program. Yippy! Quickest way to lose weight. Eat three ounces. Chunder your guts. Hey, you just lost two pounds! See you for lunch tomorrow. We’re having Sushi!

After you guys lose 200 lbs – – – I get a VA Bonus!

Mother’s Day is this Sunday. We are having a 5% Veterans Discount on these fine Handbags. Just go to “www.IPoisonVeterans.com” and enter the code “tastychicken” at the checkout . . .your wife and your girlfriend will love them . . .

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

What a fucking worthless bitch!

Jason
Jason

What goods and services do you expect from government employees who cannot be fired and are guaranteed a raise every year or so….
I wouldn’t feed VA food to my dog!!

namnibor
namnibor

*WTF…?!*

How did this uncooked chicken get inside my ‘Rodent Surprise Soup’?

I *clearly ordered* from Tomah VA Cafeteria the ‘Rodent Soup Surprise’ with a broth made by Tomah’s own legendary Dr. Candyman Houlihan.
This soup was even guaranteed to keep a Veteran griming ear to ear for a week. Will I be grinning because my mouse in my soup is not quite dead and is now eating the uncooked chicken I did not order right before me like a demented wild kingdom series?

Were her ‘purses’ just a smokescreen for bringing-in the mice & cockroaches or were they completely indigenous to Hines VA?

Now, does anyone have any questions why the VA Psych Dept. should never be allowed to use those new electronic lobotomy brain scramblers for very experimental activations of areas of the brain? They can’t properly cook chicken nor follow long established food and sanitary rules, and the VA cannot even apply those same rules in the medical operations.

These idiots should not even be allowed to operate an Etch-N-Sketch.

Oh….I also did not order the side of ptomaine, which is stored uncomfortably close to the Ebola Gravy Mix by the loafing meat at the VA.

*WTF VA?*

namnibor
namnibor

“GRIMING/GRINNING”, who’s keeping track?

91Veteran
91Veteran

Leave it to the Rat Bastards to put out a hit on poor little Mr. Jingles on the Green Mile known as the Hines chow hall.

That’ll teach em to be snacking on their raw chicken!

Dennis
Dennis

To get an understanding of the scope of VA corruption, I suggest we take all the individual stories like this and place them geographically. Then begining wih the eatliest date and proceeding forward in time we connect a line on the map from the first report, to the next, to the next. This would create a line that connectect each scandal in order with a line across a map.

Then measure the line and translate it into miles. Any guesses how long the line would be. Hines would be connected several times back and forth as would most other facilities, but my hunch is that when we stepped back all that we would see is a spider web.

A very old and tangled web of treachery, profiteering, racketeering, malfeasance, misconduct, malpractice, and misappropriation. The web just never stops getting bigger.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dennis, I bet one thing that web of deceit would show is that problems followed bad employees as they were moved around.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I see the VA is in full on file scrubbing mode. Say good by to any documents that support an old claim.

“VA digitizing old paper records to speed veteran disability claims”
By Greg Slabodkin
Published May 12 2017

“The Department of Veterans Affairs is undertaking a major modernization effort to digitize millions of old inactive paper records with the goal of reducing processing times for disability claims.

Among its compensation programs, the Veterans Benefits Administration provides direct payments to veterans with disabilities that are the result of a disease or injury incurred or aggravated during active military service. In fact, the VBA pays about $6 billion per month in disability benefits.

Previously, if a veteran’s medical condition worsened and they filed a new or supplemental claim, retired paper files had to be boxed up and shipped from one of 33 regional offices to a centralized intake site to be scanned into the VA’s computer systems for claim processing to begin.

However, because of the VBA’s ongoing digitization efforts, veteran records are now being made electronically available so that when a claim is filed, the information is readily accessible and the processing time for claims is reduced.”

Full article at: “https://www.healthdatamanagement.com/news/va-digitizing-old-paper-records-to-speed-veteran-disability-claims”

namnibor
namnibor

So the VA is transiting from analog industrial shredders to digital industrial shredders?

Don Treply
Don Treply

True story, Tucson VA don’t feed inpatients very well, I witnessed being served small portions, cold food, no second helpings, and veterans trading food widespread to get by. I was hungry and everyone else too. For 182 billion, somebody is eating shrimp and steak. Just saying.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Mr. Fox copied his response and is standard response from anyone at the VA.

Who advised the Secretary of veterans affairs. This must be brought to his attention.

If someone is not held accountable, then Mr. Fox is responsible and he should have to eat every piece of chicken himself in front of all the patients and staff.

Really someone should have federal charges placed on them.

No one is listening to the veterans. Maybe veteran’s should be allowed to report directly to the Secretary and or be able to be considered whistle blowers.

I have always thought these employees will pay when they meet their maker !

We can’t wait that long, they are making Hell sound good compair to the VA.

Mr Secretary please hear our plea and fire these employees, they are killing us and don’t give a shit who they are harming.

You have the authority please use it. Until VA employees see you mean business they will blow you off and laugh at you and will tell you where to go.

Why are the veterans having to pay the price for incompetent employees. I’ll bet if someone would give VA employees and told them it’s ok to kill veterans, they would !
And then laugh !

Ex va
Ex va

This is disgusting…If you are seriously suffering from illness and in the hospital, you have to eat this? This is outrageous and just disgusting…why don’t they serve this up in the cafeteria where staff and visitors eat when visiting their families at the va medical center?? that would be to obvious….

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Give VA employees guns

namnibor
namnibor

Surely you only mean to suggest so they can ensure the food is no longer alive and kicking before serving it to Veterans?
What if they really needed to pinch pennies in order to buy new color-changing conference room furniture and the Hines VA ran out of meat to prepare in their ‘Green Mile’ Cafeteria?
Would the likely food source be later to be all those unaccountable Veterans that once entered Hines VA but never seen again?
Would the ‘Green Mile Cafeteria’ be serving-up green melba crackers along the lines of movie ‘Soylent Green’? Remember, this is same Hines where exploding Veteran body bags were found along with an experimental lab animal operation close-by.
With all the above taken into consideration, the VA employees certainly do not require a gun to kill Veterans, but it’s bad enough the VA Barney Cops do…let’s not give a VA Witch Dr. an excuse to shorten his daily workload so as he can go play golf?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – – – Wasn’t there a movie called the Green Mile? Tom Hanks, and actor called Tiny. Bout death row inmates, and electric chair.

91Veteran
91Veteran

ANutterVet, there was a movie as you described, with a little weasel named Percy that stomped on a pet mouse named Mr. Jingles.

Percy reminds me of AFGE thugs.

namnibor
namnibor

Yeah, and I was referencing 91Veteran’s comment calling Hines Cafeteria the Green Mile Café.
Sickly demented humor, I know. Have to cope somehow.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

What I was saying if management would give them guns and told them to use them many employees would if it meant a bonus.

I known they don’t need them as they are doing pretty good without them.

I don’t know if employees pay attention to the news or look up what’s going on and or don’t care.

I do know until it effects them personally They will look the other way !

Proven time and time again. At the same time I must thank those who have made it personal and took action.

That landed them with Retalation.

Anyone that turns their back is just as guilty as the one harming other employees or veterans.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

I had to take a big dump after reading this article. Haven’t had a bowel movement for a few days. Thanks Ben, good article, it was a read that was quite moving. – – – Nutter.

91Veteran
91Veteran

ANutterVet, I think if you eat the kind of food pictured here “cooked” by the wonderful staff at Hines, you could shit through a screen door.

namnibor
namnibor

LMAO! 🙂 Tears. LMAO! 🙂

Ex va
Ex va

@91Veteran, well stated!!! ROFL!!??

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran, @Namnibor, @Ex va – – – If I ate that food, I’d be able to squirt and wash those screens really clean. I can’t stop laughing. Shootz, I peed. Dam it, that’s embarrassing, and the Dominos is delivering the pizza.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, ROFL!!! ????

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

And now we add dangerous and deadly spoiled rotten bacteria infused food products to the list below;

What a disgrace. There’s no more integrity, no more trust, while our Veteran Brothers and Sisters;

[1] are committing suicide at a reported rate of about 22 lives a day [personally, I think this is low], [2] Veteran’s claims are held up for double-digit years due to no streamlining during processing, [3] the granting of compensation and pension have been reneged, [4] unnecessary stress has been put on Veterans to repay monies that were previously granted to Veterans, [5] Veterans are shortchanged due to VA using Evidence/Experienced-Based Medicine (EBM) to diagnose and treat medical conditions, [6] VA Physicians, Physician Assistants, Nurse Practitioners, and Clinical Pharmacologists are prescribing Generic Medications that have less efficacy compared to Brand Name Medications (this frequently occurs, VA does nothing about it, I know because I informed my PCP and Pharmacy), [7] Veterans are given poor quality medical supplies (band aids slide on you skin, lidocaine patch falls off your back, containers break during shipment), [8] when VA does prescribe Vitamins, Minerals, or other Supplements, they are of low quality, and they’re inadequately assimilated in the body, [9] dangerous and deadly spoiled rotten bacteria infused VA cafeteria food products, . . .

and [10] – – -> If I missed some areas where the VA is lacking, please list them below, under my post. <- – –

I would like to keep a current running list of VA problems. – – – Nutter

Ex va
Ex va

10). Wait list time scandal, fraud and negligence. 11). Negligence is covered up. 12). Over prescribing of medications. 13). Non-sterile equipment and bandages 14). CREDENTIALING AND PRIVELEDGING doctors/providers…… I know i am missing a lot of issues.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

You missed no 15, they just don’t give a shit !
Whom they harm. Who’s going to believe a veteran anyway.

cj
cj

I know this VAMC, this is the same VA that performs unrequested C+P exams by quack shrinks, that make decisions based on “feelings” instead of facts, in order to deny TBI claims. This is also the same VA that treats it’s psychiatric patients as “trained killers”. Nothing this VAMC does, surprises me. Debating at the moment whether to file malpractice against the quack since the stupid bitch is also licensed in the state of IL……..only not to determine TBI’s. Sound familiar? Yeah, sure Dick Fox, your making changes alright, go sell that to your lackey Duckworth.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, what the hell is wrong in the state of illinois va medical centers??? It is a disgrace!!!

cj
cj

@Ex va: They sure are, same old bs, delay, deny, and hope they die. If not kill them with unnecessary surgeries, and uncooked chicken.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, what the hell, salmonella poisoning.. They don’t give a damn about the Veterans serving them food like that. They are sick bastards…

cj
cj

@Ex va: Not to worry, Dicksucker Fox assures us changes are being made. NO firings, just changes, like…………..a new guy is in charge of throwing out the trash.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, i heard that new changes were/are coming. It is a bs excuse. They don’t do things by procedures because if they did this kinda results would not be happening. Always changing things or new changes such bs!!!!!!

cj
cj

@Ex va: Yes typical bs. The Chicago VARO is who is calling the shots. Infested with rat bastards. Criminals.

Lily
Lily

What’s next? Is the VA going to start sticking vets heads in the latrine?

Nik Mach
Nik Mach

I am a disabled Veteran employee (work very part-time to help pay school loans and increase my federal retirement/TSP) at a local VA Nursing Home Facility. I am a former municipal police detective who specialized in white collar crime, 1801/1811 Special Agent (same thing as FBI) and other special this and that. I am a licensed private investigator who works only Federal cases and court certified expert witness in organizational fraud, program fraud and economic/white-collar crime. I have dual masters degrees in Public Administration and Health Care Administration from a decent not-for-profit brick and mortar school. I am curently a PhD candidate in Industrial and Organizational Psychology. I know what I am talking about, you’ll have to trust me.

I have called the VAOIG 3 times and reported serious, dangerous problems at my facility, including everything from roaches in food, to licensed staff (registered nurses) acting sexually inappropriately on duty around patients, to coercing patients to not report being overdosed on meds because nurses are lazy and sloppy to negligent death cover ups. They did nothing. I called the local congress people, they deferred to the VAOIG. I called the state board of nursing, because I thought they could at least yank the nurses licenses. They (The state nurse investigators) said they couldn’t do anything because the VA is a federal facility (Supremacy Clause). Each time they refused to do anything and told me to just tell my Director and let them handle it. I did this. The Director tells the Chief of the service to do a dog and pony show. And then I get harassed and they begin to do any little thing they can to start to remove me from the Federal service. Nothing changes. Nothing will. Sorry to say this.

There are many good people at the VA/VHA/NCA/VACO. But the only that will change the VA…is the VA. And the VA is not going to change, ever. Pres. T needs to defund this beast like the Congress did Vietnam, they need to man up!

I have had good care from the VHA, and I have had bad care. Overall though, I hate to say it has been/sub-par. Stay at a VHA facility at your own risk brothers and sisters. And if you have a loved one or a friend at a facility, WATCH THEM CLOSE!

Best!

cj
cj

@Nik Mach: Nik, your right on point. Sorry for the way these rat bastards have treated you, and thank you for trying to make a difference, and not turning a blind eye to wrong doings. Correct again, nothing will ever change. Too much money at stake. Sad but true. Goodnight.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Flood the SecretarSecretaries office with everything we see or read about the VA, that way he will get the memo.

Mr Secretary did you know about this NO !

If these are forwared to him, he can’t say NO.

Ex va
Ex va

@Nik Mach, sorry you have had to be a witness to criminal activities at a local va nursing home facility. All i can say is thank you for the heads up, we try to educate each other’s on the dangers of the va health care system. My best advice to you is this.

Make copies of all e-mails, make yourself a personal log on your computer. If called into a meeting keep any copies of paperwork generated and keep a log of individuals involved. If they find you a threat they will retaliate against you. They can set you up on the job, lie about your performance and make your life a living hell. They can threaten you and try to harm you. Be careful.

The vaoig is a worthless agency as far as i am concerned they did nothing and i blame them for the scheduling scam and protecting doctors/providers who would otherwise be negligent in the care and treatment of Veterans. I knew of a woman who killed herself from the treatment she received from a supervisor in the va system who was corrupt and did his best to hide the corruption.

You are a moral individual and that will cause you problems working in a facility were negligence is not a problem to the point of death. I understand that issue well unfortunately. I also talked to medical center directors and above and could not get anyone to respond except in the form of threatening me and retaliating against me. You are correct the va has to change and that is what i see is the problem. I worked in a specialized clinic and the va medical center abused that special funding for the clinic converting that money into regular medical center funding. Every kind of fraud, waste and abuse occurs at the va medical centers and clinics. Sorry again and watch your six my friend.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Thank you for trying to do the right thing Nik Mach, but I am starting to believe the only thing that gets VAs attention, and politicians, is pictures or video in the media, and even then that is only short term.

There has been no sustained pressure on a facility for these problems from anyone, because the VA can control it all. If an outside entity had continuous oversight…then maybe a single facility could be cleaned up.

The last time any facility had sustained pressure on them to fix a problem was either Phoenix or Tomah, and we see how the scandals and problems continued there.

If you look at many other issues, the state or the feds have no problem stepping in and performing oversight.

Look at various police departments around the country that now have federal oversight. The police department may or may not be bad, but the feds have no problem stepping in and doing oversight from the DOJ. The police department has to comply with whatever plan the DOJ comes up with.

Look at state voting processes or similar state functions. There have been some areas that have been under federal or court oversight for years, and any changes to those processes have to be approved by the feds or the courts.

Both fed oversight of police and voting have violation of civil rights claimed as a reason for the oversight.

Our problem is that our civil rights are ignored, simply because we do not have the organization’s and deep pocket donors behind us to sue for those violations, and force some kind of oversight.

We also are caught in a political no-mans land where politicians of both parties don’t have much interest in protecting our civil rights for various reasons.

I cannot see anything changing given our political leadership just not having the guts or interest in cleaning up the VA mess.

I truly wish things would have been much further along as far as improvements for vets under Trump, but I don’t see much happening soon because of the childish games played by so many in both parties in DC.

Nic Mach
Nic Mach

But this a major part of the problem. The government did step in to do something, it was called “The Inspector General Act.”
There is a watch dog by default, and this watch dog is asleep and impotent. The so called criminal investigators at the OIGs, and the VA OIG in particular, are considered in the “law enforcement community” to be a total joke. The VA Police (the guys you see at the hospital) they do not have the statutory authority to investigate these crimes/acts, they are not allowed to investigate felony level crimes, fraud waste or abuse, and the the Chiefs of the VA Police at each facility are under the direction of the individual facility director. So essentially, the Director of a VA Facility is the de facto chief of VA police, so why would he investigate himself, or do something that could hurt his career or getting a bonus?

By the way, FYI Ben, see what putting a photo of disgusting food in your posts does for your marketing 😉

91Veteran
91Veteran

Nik, I’m aware of the purpose of the IGs office and what they are supposed to be doing.

In Obama’s first term, he not only blatantly fired 4 of them for investigating corruption involving his friends, but his administration went out of their way to smear at least one of them to keep him quiet.

Do a search on Obama firing those 4. You will find congress did nothing about it. They should have been demanding the law be upheld and the independence of IG offices kept. Instead, congress did nothing, and the rest of the IGs got the message.

With the IGs out of the picture and no oversight from committees of jurisdiction in congress, it was a free-for-all for corruption at any level in any federal agency. I believe many in congress like it this way because there is less oversight of the money flowing to their cronies, which include the VSOs that want on that gravy train.

How to fix that? Well, I thought Trump would greatly improve things by draining that swamp, but I am starting to think there are far too many in DC that liked the money flowing how and where they wanted, and they would rather have the chaos going on now in order to preserve that flow.

This isn’t government we have now. Its political theater designed to distract to preserve self interests.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Ok no one wants to listen to you. Gather up everything you have and write a letter to the Secretary and give him everything he needs to help you.

He said in public ” those that should not be working at the VA, will not be working for the VA Watch US !

Let him handle it and ask for whistle blowers status.

Nic Mach
Nic Mach

I did all that,
The last whistleblower complain I reported, I actually got proof to show the VAOIG. I got emails and witnesses willing to come forward.

In one email I have, the Medical Director (The boss Medical Doctor) of the Nursing Home is freaking out on the staff. This doctor is relatively new (= naive) in the VA. She recently got promoted to the top job, from the outside, because nobody on the inside wanted the responsibility because they know what a train wreck and huge liability it is if anyone found out, or chose to do something about it, at the facility (I am told this by other licensed practitioners off the record). She openly complained to staff and admitted that doctors orders were not being followed, she did a review that this had been going on for several years, and she was not going to put up with it anymore. She states if this does not change immediately she is going to start holding staff accountable and their is going to be employee discipline. She goes on to state that if nursing supervisors don’t make sure nursing assistants follow orders, she is going to discipline the nurses who supervise them as well. THIS IS ALL IN WRITING, ON A VA GOVERNMENT EMAIL ACCOUNT, SENT OUT TO 100 OR SO STAFF!

Due to my knowledge about how conniving, dishonest and unethical VA supervisors are, and government bureaucrats can be in general, I print off the email and I forward a copy to a special account I set up to save VA emails as evidence.

Within a couple of day, there is follow-up email from other “VA Supervisors,” more “Seasoned” employees, stating that the discipline policy that the doctor wrote about is hereby suspended pending a further review. The original email is removed from the email system, it was scrubbed. But its too late, I forwarded a copy to myself, too late, RIGHT?

I wait a couple of weeks, and see nothing is changing. I go to the Nurse director and ask her, what is going on, why aren’t you making staff follow orders? She says “The Union” had something to say about it and the policy is under review. The I press her, she says, the union got ahold of the email and they were very upset that this policy wasn’t “run through them first.”

I wrote all this up (and a whole lot more, let me tell you), got copies of all emails and other “evidence.” Sent it to VAOIG, Congressmen (multiple), facility Director, state nursing board, state nursing home/elder abuse ombudsman (Governors appointed rep, an attorney by the way)…THE DO NOT DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!

Your on your own folks, so sorry to say it.

Good luck!

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Do it again, send it to the Secretary and the Senate veterans affairs committee and to the white house.

I have been fighting since 2004 where a disgruntled employees who had a grudge against me and former coworker tell the VA higher management that I would come into the clinic at least twice a month and become disruptive.

Then she told them I wanted to murder staff at the clinic. I know this is all bull shit and the manager can not produce a single date of when this was to have happened.

Not one written incident of this ever happening. I have kept fighting and it produced real evidence, not hearsay.

If you keep fighting year after year, they forget what they said before and step in their own shit and spill the beans.

I sent everything including the regulations, laws etc. I asked the Secretary to do a proper investigation and if that is done, I will be vindicated and my good name restored.

IF the Secretary should not adress my concerns and send this back to the very employee they are to investigate to answer herself.

I will continue till the day I die or they kill me.

A lie is a lie even if you tell it a million times.

Since you have communications with the boss, let her know she is not alone and that she should also write the Secretary.

She, has the ability to make sure her employees are helping veterans and the new law or EO by the president, the Secretary said in public he will use that authority.

The union will be set straight by the Secretary. If the employees have committed a felony the Secretary has the authority to fire them and the union will have no say !

Seems bad employees have back up, good employees need us and employees like you to stay strong and not give in to the union or anyone else.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Nik, this is like Tomah all over again.

Everybody knew what was going on, several politicians and many VA employees knew, hell even the IG investigated and said, nothing to see here.

Until a veteran died and the media got involved.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Hint hint media

Nik Mach
Nik Mach

Oh, by the way, if you are an inpatient at a VA hospital, stick to the ensure/shakes/milks/bars and other packaged foods (puddings, crackers, etc.) if you can. HINT…AVOID THE SANDWICHES, especially: mince meats, tuna fish, chicken salad, anything ground (we call these “mash mouth” sandwiches). Insist on a ham or bologna slice with slice of cheese. Don’t just bite into it, CHECK IT!

And remember, as long its cooked, its protein (think bootcamp).

Peace!