SURPRISE! VA Veterans Choice Faces $1 Billion Short Fall

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In old school Robert McDonald fashion, Secretary David Shulkin has gone back to Congress, hat in hand for more money due to bad money management.

Some things change, like the face of the Secretary, but other things remain the same, like VA failing to manage billions in taxpayer funds each year resulting in shortfalls that affect access to health care and resources for veterans nationwide.

“On financial projections, we have to do better,” Shulkin said. “We do not want to see veterans impacted at all by our inability to manage budgets.”

Where VA lacks, it makes up by screwing other veterans out of benefits. It does this by holding back on overtime pay, using bad criteria to ensure accurate benefits adjudication, or playing allocating funds intended for Veterans Choice to instead cover cures for Hepatitis C.

Remember that one? I am sure VA does not want Congress to remember that diversion of funds. What about all the billions spent on broken IT projects that never work? Ditto.

So what’s the story? How is VA allowed to continue to mismanage funds that are rerouted to fund political campaigns and other crony purposes?

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/2017/06/22/veterans-affairs-facing-1-billion-shortfall-because-unexpected-choice-program-costs/418787001/

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lily
lily

Iran just got 150 billion. How about we just give them 1 billion less?

Angela
Angela

@Benjamin, Navy Veteran found dead laying beside his car from Dunnellon, FL. SAD. They are saying he left the VA in Gainesville, FL against doctor’s orders. This could be possible but I seriously doubt this is the truth. They need to investigate the whole situation. For a veteran to leave a hospital when he went there in the first place asking for help, this situation points to more than likely that the Veteran left because his treatment was not going the way that it should. And, remember the VA covers up to the point to where it benefits them. Benjamin, all I have to say is that it is a sad state of affairs for all veterans. And, even being more honest, it is a sad state of affairs for all everyday Americans in our country due to Democrat and Liberal policies that President Trump is trying to remove or reverse. This veteran found dead needs to be investigated. This is sad. More of the same. I just stay clear of them because I just can’t take it. 🙁

Angela
Angela

@Everyone, I wish all a wonderful 4th of July. Our greatest day ever. Independence Day –4th of July 1776. Celebrating Our Freedoms.

Pete Perez
Pete Perez

My Opinions: Tell Iran that “they have to immediately return, to the U.S., 50 Million Dollars given to Iran out of the 150 Billion Dollars or we will Nuke them into Hell for their eternity!” *

Ben riggio
Ben riggio

F–k all but the USA. We want back Okinawa, Panama Canal and all that Americans bled and died for. 😡

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

It’s already been sold to the highest bidder…..We just call it…WE gave control back to that country, and no one is any wiser …….Whats so hard about asking for a audit….

namnibor
namnibor

Oooops! You uttered the disturbing word of “AUDIT”…off to the Disruptive Behavior Committee with you while the VA paints the turds with their Midas Touch.

RAND agrees in that the word “AUDIT” is way too close that that VA Kryptonite called Accountability. Now, off to the DBC Stormpoopers with you!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

DBC Stormpoopers …LOL…I could give a fuck less…LOL… every time I walk out of the doctors room, and I run into my nurse I tell him, that doc is totally worthless……Yesterday I went to the eye doctor and told her my left eye would just go gray and fuzzy so she checked it real close and went out to look at the xray they just took and came back and told me I probably had blockage in my neck, No wonder the headaches for the past 2 years..I know what arthritis feels like. Worthless PCP…….I guess the DOC wanted to turn me into a vegetable so i could be served in the cafeteria along side the raw chicken…LOL

James Clement
James Clement

We are NOT impacted SEVERELY by your inability to manage your VA Budget, Mr. Secretary. It is a MINOR inconvenience. You will always BEG for more money from Congress.

We ARE SEVERELY NEGATIVELY impacted by the VHA and VBA’s tendency to “look the other way” for items listed below:

1. Employees who Lie to Veterans about what benefits are available to them.

2. Employees who steal prescription pain-killing drugs from the VA Pharmacies, then resell them.

3. Employees who routinely miss work for a myriad of reasons. Then are not properly disciplined.

4. Employees who cannot properly schedule appointments for Veterans.

5. Senior VA Management who routine display tendencies to “look the other way” at wrongdoings against Veterans committed by the Notorious Disruptive Behavior Committees.

6. Providers working outside their States under the Federal Protection Umbrella.

7. New VA Directors, Assistant Directors, and Staff who ALWAYS promise to make MAJOR SWEEPING CHANGES across the VA to benefit Veterans – – – yet have NOT the foggiest idea of what the Veterans truly want or need. In my opinion – – – these are the WORST TYPE of LIARS and THIEVES within the VA, because they set the tone for the corruptive cultural atmosphere for all employees below them.

Were the above seven points properly addressed – – – the VA budget would not only be adequate, but Veterans would actually be helped far more than they are now.

It is a tall order, and a big challenge. That is what true leaders do. Accept huge challenges without complaint. Do the work necessary to turn a bad organization into a good one. Who will be the Judge for the VA. The Veterans on this Blog. And the Veterans who are ill-served by you, the VA, and the AFGE.

If you cannot do that, then resign your position. Like a leader, rather than a politico would.

Were I magically made SecVA for six months, I would have made 50% completion on this plan to FIX THE DAMN BROKEN VA:

1. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.

2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.

3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans.

4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.

5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans.

6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Going to practice in Hawaii? You need to be LICENSED in Hawaii. Same applies to all other states.

7. Any claim a veteran submits that requires more than 90 days to adjudicate, is automatically found to be in favor of the veteran. If a claim filed by a veteran is found to be a false one designed to scam the system, the VA will have to prove in civil court that a false claim was intentionally submitted.

8. All veterans will be allowed to seek/retain the services of a Veterans Rights Attorney from their first initial contact with the VA.

9. No AFGE, nor any other Labor Union business will be allowed to take place in any Federal Workplace. Conducting Union Business during working hours will be STRICTLY PROHIBITED, and will be STRICTLY ENFORCED. Should any government employee be found violating this provision, it will result in IMMEDIATE LIFETIME DISMISSAL FROM ANY/ALL GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYMENT.

10. Attorneys for appeal will be retained at the former employee’s PERSONAL expense. U. S. Taxpayer’s will not be subject to payment of legal bills for incompetent personnel with regards to Governmental Employment.

POTUS Reagan broke up PATCO in the ’80’s. Time for POTUS Trump to break up the AFGE. Most of our current Congress Critters do NOT have Veterans Interests at heart. Perhaps their replacements will. VOTE OUT all these WORTHLESS INCUMBENTS.

Give their replacement’s one term to take care of Veterans who put aside their own personal lives to answer this nation’s call when she needed them.

If they cannot MUSTER THE STONES to do it properly – – – vote their worthless asses out as well. Party should NOT MATTER. What SHOULD MATTER is their VOTING RECORDS ON VETERANS ISSUES.

NO Combat Veteran should be surprised when the next McVeigh or Congressional Baseball Team Incident occurs. Bound to happen. Just a matter of time . . .

We have now reached the next accelerative phase of our country falling apart. Country before Party. Principles before Personalities. Always.

Want to REALLY get the VA fixed? The next SecVA needs to be a former Enlisted Man with a few serious axes to grind against the VA and the AFGE. Apparently these West Point graduates and Shithead Civvies can’t cut the mustard . . .

Maybe a SINCERELY MOTIVATED Gunnery Sergeant or Chief Petty Officer CAN.

You have my contact information Mr. Secretary. Call me anytime.

Disgruntled Veteran
1973 – 1976 USMC
1978 – 1993 USN
Wounded Warrior
Honolulu, Hawaii

cj
cj

Excellent Ben…….bingo!!!!!!

Rog
Rog

I don’t know, I’m kinda sorta starting to like Dr. Shulkin…
We know that:
a) he’s kept his head down up til now, when he’s finally in a position to really make positive changes (a sign of maturity),
b) he’s not pointing the finger playing the blame game after the fact, he’s just getting on with making the damn changes (another sign of maturity), and
c) he’s COMPLETELY honest in saying that VA just CAN’T manage its own budget(s), BUT he doesn’t give a fuck and wants another $ billion in order to fulfill THE PROMISE. Or rather, he wants Congress to fulfill ITS promise to make Choice work. In other words, to make sure that there IS, IN FACT, a real Choice to choose from… Taking personal responsibility, not shying away from being put in charge of the 2nd largest budget in the United States government, and all that while still getting up early enough to STILL “see” patients by Skype or whatever… my hat is off, Dr. Shulkin. (Don’t make me put it back on, sir. Please)

Wayne
Wayne

The proof will be in the 2018 VA Budget. The Demon, Budget director Mulvaney, has a cut IU benefits of $3B. Shulkin just intimated that this cut would not be fair and he would make up the difference in other programs. That $3B was going to go for Choice programs which is already in trouble. I do have an Idea that could help, especially for Vets who receive either Social Security or Social Security Disability and Medicare. Let veterans use their Medicare benefits to chose the doctors they want to use. Make the VA honor all prescriptions of these civilian doctors without question. By doing this, the Veteran gets choice, Social Security pays the cost as if the Veteran had not served. Fewer doctors would be required in the VA. Money would be freed up for the Choice program. IU payments could continue. If the VA insists that a VA doctor would be required to approve medications, there could be a position at each VA facility that did nothing but review prescriptions without having another caseload. I too have a horror story with the VA but that’s not important right now, getting better care for all the Vets is what is vital to us all.

VAL-OR, USA
VAL-OR, USA

I’d feel more comfortable with him and his stable of senior bureaucrats if they (1) fessed up to acknowledging that the oil drilling is unlawful at WLA according to the Deed, (2) but it all out on the table for active veteran advocates to work with and (3) stop trying to fix DVA by itself.
You can’t solve a problem with the same thinking that created it.

James Clement
James Clement

@Windguy – – – Truer words on this blog I have never read.

Windguy
Windguy

At the risk of being accused of progressive/commie/socialist ideals – keep in mind that the Greatest Generation paid a top tax rate of 94%, and built the best roads and best school system on the planet. Since then, our world revolves around lower taxes and “special” tax credits for special interests, our roads are shot, and our schools are a joke. Ya – the liberal agenda is nothing short of goofy – soon enough we’ll be sharing bathrooms with friggin farm animals. But there was a time that this country did things quite well and it coincided with taxes on the wealthy. Through some miracle of modern media that Herr Doktor Josef Goebbels would admire, a nation of trailer park trash have been convinced to protect the rights of wealth and call it patriotism.

cj
cj

@Wayne: Good post. I only receive minimal care for my service connected injuries, ZERO in compensation. I am 100% disabled, SSDI/medicare, and use the private sector for all my medical needs. I need both knees replaced and although those are service connected, I will use the private sector for that as well, when the time comes. I find also, that using “goodrx.com” I save a shitload of money as apposed to using the VA for my meds. The VA charges 15 bucks a month per med, I can get the same med, 90 days supply for 10 bucks, that is significant.
Other meds that cost close to 600 bucks a month I receive free of charge by using the pharma companies, patient assistance program.

Many Veterans just don’t qualify for SSI/SSDI benefits, or Medicare/Medicaid,and that is a shame. No Veteran should be allowed to fall through the cracks, unfortunately, far to many do, and have. Many Veterans with PTSD/TBI and severe mental issues due their combat histories, are being neglected, intentionally by the VA that is suppose to be there for them. Instead they are living on, and being abused on, the streets in a city close by, every single day of their life. I am not preaching or anything like that, I just go off on these tangents every now and then.

Yep, there it went again, I lost my train of thought.

I swear to you all, if I had the money some of these damn greedy ceo’s are being payed, there would be not a single wanting Veteran left in this country.

1. Charf Souki
Cheniere Energy, Inc
$141,949,280 Income
$800,000 base salary converted to $1 effective December 15, 2014

2. Tom Ward
Sandridge Energy, Inc.
$71,119,765 Income
$974,539 Salary

3. Anthony G. Petrello
Nabors Industries LTD
$68,246,187 Income
$1,700,000 Salary

4. Richard Kinder
Kinder Morgan
$60.9 million Income
Estimated dividend earnings: $380 million
Former President of Enron

5. Clarence P. Cazalot, Jr.
Marathon Oil
$43.7 million Income

6. Rex W. Tillerson
Exxon Mobil Corp
$28,138,329 Income
$2,717,000 Salary

7. J.S. Watson
Chevron Corp
$24,017,303 Income
$1,770,833 Salary

8. Paal Kibsgaard
Schlumberger LTD
$22,837,540 Income
$1,700,000 Salary

9. Robert D. Lawler
Chesapeake Energy Corp
$22,423,268 Income
$4,423,331 Salary & Bonus

10. David Lesar
Halliburton
$20,710,018 Income
$13,553,008 Salary & Bonus

11. Ryan Lance
Conoco Phillips Co.
$19,852,892 Income
$7,270,457 Salary & Bonus

12. Robert Walker
Anadarko Petroleum Corp
$15,765,017 Income
$4,821,930 Salary & Bonus

Those above are all oil exec’s We fight and die for them. Why again is it, there is any wanting Veteran?

james gallegos
james gallegos

We will see soon enough what Secretary Shulkin will do with Bad employee’s !

Handed his office real proof of the VA using the so called disruptive committee to let a Disgruntled VA Employee to falsely accuse me of disruptive behavior and stating I wanted to Murder VA employee’s at my local clinic.

The VA in Denver has covered it up since 2004, I kept fighting it and have obtained real evidence of what happened and how the VA let the employee’s use hearsay and 0 proof and yet they punished me, former VA employee being retaliated against by a former co-worker.

the secretary sent Denver an inquiry to Denver for response, Denver called me and told me the Disruptive committee in 2004 was not being run properly and if my case would have come up today, I would have never been punished.

I said how about a letter from the director or chief of staff stating this and give me an apologize, The Denver Rep said ” Why should we apologize to you we did not hurt you ! ” that was done before we were in charge.

I said because you are still the VA and its never to late to fix a wrong and since they placed into my official records ” If the VA “EVER” hears that you are reported again as being disruptive, you will have federal charges placed against you, you will be arrested and you will be Banished from all VA Care.

EVER is a long time, will see if the Secretary means what he says or not.

Hearsay is not proof, Evidence is proof !

Mike
Mike

Denver is a mess and can never be fixed. Have 50 stories

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Let’s hear them, we have a lot of time to read your posts.

People have to know about them all. !

namnibor
namnibor

Hat? Hats Off? VSO Piggies JUST LOVE VA Sec. Shulkin. Matter-in-fact, ALL the mad hatters LOVE Shulkin. They also just LOVE their hats. They always come in handy when asking for more $$$ and future “hats” will be constructed around a drone that will fundraise right from the mad hatter’s head and return with a fresh basket of greens. Hats Off….pfff! AssHats!

namnibor
namnibor

“[…“On financial projections, we have to do better,” Shulkin said. “We do not want to see veterans impacted at all by our inability to manage budgets.”…]”

ALL Veterans, remember VA Sec. Shulkin’s quoted words above anytime the VA even remotely attempts to place any given Veteran with a VA Appointed Fiduciary to manage your $$$$ when the VA off-the-cuff determines that a given Veteran cannot MANAGE their money. Straight from the very voice from leadership at the VA: WE CANNOT MANAGE $$$$$. “…OUR INABILITY TO MANAGE BUDGETS…”!!!!!

I would think it would be very hard for the VA to justify placing *any Vet* with a VA Appointed Piggy Fiduciary when the damn VA cannot even manage their allocated funds…every freaking year!!

CHOICE was a vast cookie jar for these reprobates, as Crazy elf calls them, from the onslaught and still is.

THE VA REQUIRES AN APPOINTED FIDUCIARY…I hear Bernie Madoff is available for Trusteeship and Money Management 101 classes held right in the prison. Maybe we should clear a LOT of cells in Madoff’s prison to accommodate the VA’s need for money management classes??
I also hear the now-in-prison ex-mayor of Detroit is available for money management classes. These classes all have the common denominator as Ross Perot’s “Giant Sucking Sound”…that giant sucking sound is the VA Leeches.

What will it be VA? Your fucking CHOICE. Either way, the VA “made-off” with a ton of dough already and already back with, “Sir, may I have another?” Bite Me! A Billion $$ should also COOK a lot of chicken…thoroughly cooked chicken.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

namnibor……THE VA REQUIRES AN APPOINTED FIDUCIARY…I hear Bernie Madoff is available for Trusteeship and Money Management 101 classes held right in the prison. …I just about choked on my toast after reading that one..LMFAO…and still laughing LOL…GOOD ONE

namnibor
namnibor

Anyone think it’s a coincidence that VA Sec. Shulkin is utilizing the precipice of Independence Day/July 4th Holiday to use as a backdrop to ask for more $$$$???? Again, we Veterans are being utilized as stage props for more $$$, but at least THIS TIME the Secretanry is not threatening to CLOSE DOWN HOSPITALS if they don’t get their demands!!!
Not a coincidence at ALL! Rat Bastards!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

The paragraph that begins; “VA is already instructing its medical centers to limit the number of veterans sent to private doctors.” is very telling!!!!!
Because,
1.) I’ve yet to meet a veteran able to use the Choice Program!
2.) PCP’s at my clinic are still using the “original law” of the Choice Program. Which doesn’t allow veterans a choice!
3.) In my opinion, the only persons allowed to use the Choice Program are veterans which work at VA’s nationwide. Leaving the rest of us, who don’t have other forms of healthcare, to only use regular VA healthcare providers!
(And, their “mission goal” is to kill/murder ALL of us!)

Yes, namnibor, The “4th of July” is right around the corner. Time to dust off all the veterans to use as VA and DOD sees fit!

There’s needs to be an audit of ALL government agencies, NOT just the VA! This “fiscal year allocations/”budgets” of taxpayers monies” is getting out of hand!

The federal government/MSM’s are “playing America”! What I mean by that statement is simple. They have gotten the people to fight among themselves so well, the people aren’t sure of who is the enemy!
Our “Forefathers” warned us this day would come. When our government WOULD become as corrupt as the government we fought “TWO WARS OF INDEPENDENCE” to separate ourselves from!
I’m going to stop now. Because, ——- words of Thomas Paine’s – “Common Sense” ring in my brain!

MIFNP
MIFNP

Hello Crazy Elf,
I am not a VA employee and I have used Choice for both neurosurgery and dermatology. The rumor is that the program is due to sunset in September, but I am confident it will continue due to the lack of technology services needed to properly treat some veterans.
Have a great day!
MIFNP

Chaplain Howard Potash
Chaplain Howard Potash

What I would love to know is; What has happen to all of the money that they bill our insurance companies
for treatment when we are 100% disabled and are supposed to be treated and not to worry about anything?
They use your insurance companies money and no one can account for it….

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Good question preacher man, why do they always ask, is your insurance up to date

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Seymore,
Yesterday you ask me about a statement made by “Scott nelms” on Thailand.
I didn’t catch that. Thanks.
I thought he was referring to the use of Agent Orange and other chemicals.
It didn’t dawn on me he could have been referring to “Sarin gas”!
And of course, the cover-up by our DOD long ago!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf,

The reason why I pointed Scott Nelms connection to Thailand out was because he former Pilot from Thailand trying to tell us not to dig into Thomas G. Bowman’s past. The planes said to be carrying and dropping the Sarin gas cluster bombs came out of Thailand.

His words were “I personally know Tom and have seen him several times this year as he is from the Tampa Bay area. He is already getting a bum rap from these comments. Let’s give him a chance instead of trying to find dirt on him. I am aware of none, he is a widower losing his college sweatheart a few years back. He was a Jr combat Marine Officer in Vietnam. He has told me several stories of his tour only because I was also there as USAF pilot and we were sharing war stories and his eyes teared up as he mentioned losing 9 marines serving under him.”

Considering Scott Nelms posted comments it seems reasonable to assume he was connected to the flights supporting Operation Tailwind and did not want anyone look at Thomas Bowman’s connection to the Operation.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

I call the ” shortfall ” The EDWIN CROSBY Effect…..Get it ?

James Clement
James Clement

@JOHN T COKOS – – – Isn’t that the guy looking at SPN and SPD codes?

cj
cj

@James Clement: Yes, Ed Crosby not only exposed the secret codes, but also exposed how the VA takes a claim number from a claim that was denied, assigns a fictitious name to it, and then deposits the compensation for that claim into hidden bank accounts, to the tune of over 500 million dollars per month. A lot of that money finds it’s way into your politicians re election campaign fund. Now is it any wonder why we can’t get the VA to change?

People like Mike, and raptor eagle need to wake the fuck up, and stop trying to divide veterans into groups, or even worse, accuse them of making fraudulent claims to live off the system. They may be doing the dividing by it is the politicians and the scum that run the VA, that is doing the conquering.

Bob anderson aka Phantom Raider 2/6
Bob anderson aka Phantom Raider 2/6

I might be coming late to this party – SPN Codes that is: Separation Program Numbers. Not sure they are really secret as I’ve known about them for 40 years.

These little 3 digit numbers are on Millions I suspect of DD-214’s. They detail the reason that a Veteran separated from the service including things perhaps you might never have been told as the reason. Of course a poor typist might have transposed a number or three, sticking you with something you weren’t.

Shitty Employers used this number NOT to hire Veterans too.

You can Google Separation Program Number, there are several hundred and compare what’s on your DD-214, to what you really separated under.

If this is old news, I apologize!

cj
cj

@Bob anderson aka Phantom Raider 2/6:

Bob, you are 100% correct, misuse of spn numbers to refuse, employment to damn good Veterans. Secret in the sense, most Veterans were not aware of the codes, or why they were refused employment.

Welcome Bob, you can’t be late to the party that never ends.

Later Gators -!¡¡!-

cj
cj

@JOHN T COKOS: John, LOVE IT………..The EDWIN CROSBY Effect~~~Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!!!!

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Reminds of the Judy Collins song “Send In The Clowns ” Just sub Veterans for Clowns. Take us off the shelf, dust us off, and show us off. THEN put us back where we belong till the next ” show and tell ” ploy…..

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Off topic but important.

I see Google has gone to full censorship mode in the Google News Section. No more tools for advanced searches such as listing search results by date. Instead you only get stories listed in an order chosen by their system of ranking.

Full on Censorship.

Horace
Horace

You talk about a couple worthless very expensive miss management of money just two,,, GOD I know of two that were totally benfits given out that would of amounted into 10s of million of wrong benefits handed out to veterans,,, that should of never got them,,, but continue to this day still receving them until there death my Uncle was one of them,,, DAM DAM DAM,,, then you tell me about cutting my compensation of Disability turning of retirement age???????? what the hell do you think is going right now threw my head,,, I have totally been ruined for 47 years of PTSD,,, and the VA has added to this beyond anthing the war of Viet Naum did to me,,, all I got to say Shullkin should be fired today today no ifs,,,

cj
cj

@Horace: Sorry Horace, I know I left the reservation on that last post. I have absolutely no clue what point I was trying to make.

Ex va
Ex va

@@cj, LMAOOOOO

cj
cj

Shit……..this all belongs right here and that comment above the “Yes right here ⇑⇑⇑⇑”
Down there↧↧↧↧ belongs up here as well

FUCK!!! I give up!!!!!

cj
cj

And that down there ↓↓↓↓ belongs way the hell up here ↥↥↥↥ Damn, even I am confused now. My brain went all humpty dumpty.

cj
cj

This up here ↑↑↑↑belongs way the hell down there ↓↓↓↓

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

OFF TOPIC…..we never have enough money for the people..The plan would rely on significant investment from the U.S…So who gets the return on the investment, sure ain’t us the people…..

Israeli plan to capitalize on proxy war in Syria
by syrianpatriots

Israel has revealed a new plan to help rebuild war-torn Syria – with the ultimate goal of securing massive stores of natural resources. The plan would rely on significant investment from the U.S., a financial burden that will likely fall hardest on the shoulders of the American public.

Windguy
Windguy

Gad dermit Old Leather, you’re not supposed to care about shit like that. Get yer arse back to the mall and buy shit. Feed the beast boy. You’re too old to be canon fodder – errr .. a hero. So, leash your dogma – lay by your dish and be a good patriot consumer.

Onward Christian Shoppers
Marching to the Mall
There’s a sale at Macy’s
Deep fried food for all. … you get the idea

Windguy
Windguy

Sleep Sheeple sleep, the sandman can linger,
We know our buddies, won’t give us the finger…..

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy,,,,,,The UNITED STATES is in Chapter 7 involuntary bankruptcy and is being liquidated. The USA is in Chapter 11. We have international bankruptcy “Trustees” named by Secondary Creditors swarming in on us— the Paramount Security Interest Holders…….now back to sleep….ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy ……….ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…I HEAR YA….NOW BACK TO ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Bill
Bill

How in the hell can they be short since it takes an act of congress to get approved for the “choice”

i use to think “military intelligence” wad the best oxymoron I ever heard but “veterans choice” has surpassed it.

Windguy
Windguy

He hey hey – knock off that military intelligence thing. Some of us actually knew what we were doing. Worse yet- some of us actually gave a shit. And the real dumbies – moi – voluntarily violated our own REMF oath.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Like international drug smuggling, the CIA predatorily controls the global child sex trafficking trade as well. Historically the UN “peacekeeping” forces and private US contractors like DynCorp have also been notorious in buying and selling child sex slaves from CIA run global trafficking rings. It’s actually legal to sell children in nations like Pakistan and Thailand where it’s a $1 billion business. 8 million children end up missing in the world every year. In the US 800,000 go missing.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

The basic problem is Veterans Choice is conceptually a Great Idea but the doofi do not know how to manage it!

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Maybe so many veterans wanted choice and not the va, so the money did not last. !

This should be an indicator that veterans are unhappy with the va and tried to get out from under va employees.

Close the va and have all veterans use choice. Billions saved from salaries and bonus money and maintenance.

LP
LP

There has Got to be something illegal about that name/title. Veterans CHOICE
There are not any choices for care made by Veterans. The choices are all made by VA staff. It’s a fucking lie. The name is a just a cover for more va bs.
Add the title New Cucumber to a sliced turd and it’s still just shit.

namnibor
namnibor

@LP– “[Add the title New Cucumber to a sliced turd and it’s still just shit]”.

You have me laughing so hard. Thanks for those induced endorphins.

LP
LP

No problem.
LOL

Horace
Horace

CHOICE ya I have tried to use it,,,, yep and the doctors that allowed it up here were as bad as going to the VA,,, only the ones that are rated as a low score private doctor except it,,, Yep just see nothing,, but crap,,, I stay out of site of the private,, I can’t find a smile for what I defended,,, its just gone,,,,

Dennis
Dennis

Can Shulkin be any more obvious about what he is trying to sell to Congress with his explanations??? First he says we are all improperly motivated to seek benefits then when we do seek benefits he says it is too expensive! He explains that the “vet” keeps coming back because he couldn’t stay away!

It is obvious to me that most folks would realize by now that Dr. Shulkin has simply plagurized Riley Puckett’s immortal song, “The Cat Came Back”!!! What an utter lack of genuine thought on his part!!! He ONLY changed the word “cat” to “vet” and CONTINOUSLY provides this to congress as the explanation why HE NEEDS MORE MONEY!!!

Dr. Shulkin, did you really think you could sing Riley’s song and not have ANYONE notice??? Well Sir, I DID!!! Call me crazy, but my God man do you realize this song is the SAME as my congressman sings about you here in Oregon???

“https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6u_VmLPuk” link to youtube. I bought a cleaned up version for my ipad but I suspect Shulkin sings his song with scratches and all…

….stepping out now to smoke a joint and continue laughing…

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Dennis ……And all along I thought the cat was in the cradle with a silver spoon…Cats In The Cradle-Harry Chapin …..YOU know I’m gonna be just like him

touchavet@gmail.com

spending more money by the VA equates with doing an outstanding job don’t you know?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Review of Alleged Misuse of Resources by VHA’s Strategic Investment Management, Business Architecture Division
06/28/2017 08:00 PM EDT

In February 2015, the Office of Inspector General received an anonymous Hotline complaint stating that the Veterans Health Administration’s (VHA) Strategic Investment Management, Business Architecture Division misused Government funds when it purchased Troux Technologies’ Architect software. The complainant also stated that VA had project management and architecture tools available; and therefore the purchase of this software was a duplication of existing software functionality. The OIG conducted this review to determine the merits of the allegations. We did not substantiate the allegation that VHA acquired Troux Technologies’ Architect software. However, VHA procured other Troux Enterprise Portfolio Management (EPM) tools, including Troux Navigate for a report-creation capability and Troux Insight as a business analysis engine. We did not substantiate the allegation that the purchase of other Troux services was a duplication of existing VA project management and architecture software functionality. At the time of the allegation, VHA was developing EPM capabilities through a contract with Troux Technologies, Inc. Prior to awarding the contract to Troux Technologies, Inc., VHA conducted a review of business activities and identified functionality gaps for portfolio management. VHA’s “Alternatives Analysis Review,” provided several possible vendor solutions to address the gaps, one of which was Troux EPM software. The analysis identified weaknesses within VA existing systems inventory and noted that the current toolset could not provide portfolio management functionality without extensive modification. We conducted a review of VA’s systems inventory and found no EPM capability that met VHA’s requirements. We did not substantiate the allegations. Accordingly, we have no recommendations for improvement. Management concurred with our report and did not provide any comments.

But not to worry about the wasted money you employees we will just squeeze it out of the VET’S pocket …have fun with your kickbacks all…YOUR PARTNER IN CRIME>>>SHITHEAD SULTAN/AKA/ Secretary David Shitkin

91Veteran
91Veteran

The VA cannot manage budgets because congress allows them to get away with it. If congress ever got serious about their oversight responsibility, they would require the VA to put in place a proper accounting system that would allow tracking what they have, what they spent, and where it went.

But then, that would mean a giant slush fund could no longer be used as a slush fund.

How is it the VA can track payments to veterans down to the dollar amount, or other benefits payments down to the dollar amount, but they cannot track what they spend?

Recall a few months ago that the VA was in a hurry to spend Choice cash because they thought the program was ending in August. Back then, there were news reports of the Choice program having upwards of over a billion dollars unspent, so Shulkin was in a hurry to get it spent because they thought the program would end.

Now they are a billion short? WTF? How does that happen? That means they spent 2 billion, and it sure as hell has not been on veterans care or paying Choice providers.

If only congress wanted to do their jobs, taxpayers might have an idea where the money went.

I am starting to think since earmarks are supposedly banned, the thieving bastards in congress are using agency budgets for their little projects. They just don’t call them earmarks.

And who will complain? The VA and politicians have gotten quite good at using disabled veterans as props when it comes to demanding more money.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

91Veteran…..CROOKS GONE WILD….. LOL

cj
cj

@Horace: Horace, I am not sure I can explain this properly, but I will give it a go. Think back before Clinton was president, just about every day, when filling up on gas before heading out to work, there were always new jokes being told in the waiting line. Tell me, when was the last time you heard jokes being told, while standing around? Since then the humor has all but went extinct, except for the clowns at the VA, but that isn’t very humorous.

They say most of America is one paycheck away from bankruptcy, enter the hight gas prices that took most Americans savings at 5 bucks a gallon, then add to that, corporate downsizing, then the illegal worker who would gladly steal your job for 1/4 of the pay. Indeed there is no more humor left, no reason to stand around with your fellow American and enjoy the day.

4th of July 2006, they brought me back to life 3 times, that was the day I should have died, fitting for a patriot. That was the day that changed my life forever, the bills I received after that day forced me into bankruptcy, what I remember most of the entire ordeal was the debtors meeting. I thought, okay, here we go, this is going to suck. This was held in a courtroom, not only was the court room full to capacity, but there was a damn line all the way down the hall and halfway around the block. All ages, all races, all Americans,……..The state of affairs of this great Country hit me between the eyes like a wrecking ball.

I wasn’t embarrassed, like I would have been, if it were not for what I was witnessing. No sir, not embarrassed one bit, I was ASHAMED!!!!!! How did we get to the point where honest, hard working people, in the twilight of their lives have lost all they ever worked for? When the numbers of people were so great, you cannot call it mismanagement of their funds. New families just starting out, the same, and all walks of life in between.

While illegals from every corner of the Earth, are allowed to flood our Nation, and take our lives, real Americans are being displaced by Illegals from India, who are doctors, liquor store owners, inconvenient store owners, and depending on witch one I am walking out of, I average between 5′ 5″and 6’5″ according to the scale on the side of the door. Illegals from Russia and Poland, have just about all the construction jobs in Chicago. Illegal from the islands, Cab drivers, mechanics. The trades full of Illegals from south of the border, same with those jobs that use to go to kids during the summer. No, there is nothing left for the average joe/jane. No wonder, even when you go to your local Chinese take out, and crack open your misfortune cookie, even there, no humor to be found.

It isn’t “funny” anymore!!!

Some thief has entered the window in the middle of the night, while we were all being forced to be all politically correct n shit. America, the land of the free, doesn’t live here anymore. But push us just a little more, and you will indeed find out…….. this is still the home of the Brave!!!!

I know, I went off the tracks, but sometimes the better route, is the one less traveled. Don’t know why I even bother posting, I can never keep a damn thought long enough to type it out.

Let the revolution begin, I would much rather die fighting to free my country, from the chains of slavery, and oppression we find it in today, then from some fucking fucked up fuck all fuckerized fuck you up proper disease, or better yet, a God-damned mosquito bite. WTF?

Drinks on the house c\_/ and roses for the ladies @}—;—,—‘–

Later Gators. -!ii!-

Angela
Angela

@cj, I very much appreciated what you had to say in your post. You are right on about everything you spoke about. I agree with you totally.

cj
cj

@Angela: Just happy it made some kind of sense, I have no idea what point I trying to make, as I often forget, before I can finish writing it.

Have a great 4th. @}–‘–,——–

cj
cj

Sorry folks, it should read 4th of July 2007, how the hell I got the year wrong?

James Clement
James Clement

@cj – – – Well said. Agree 100%.

Horace
Horace

yep tough staying on the same wave,, is next to a dream,,, and then try to go create a thing called intrest to just do the dishes,,, to pick up a hammer for a repair,,, that once was as easy as to blink my eye,, all gone,, and replaced with great difficulty to all life,,, YEP

cj
cj

Yes right here ⇑⇑⇑⇑

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

VA doesn’t care about you as a Veteran. How low can you go when a VA Medical Provider continually changes the amount of your prescription medication. And, I’ve had to show how to come up with the right milligram amount. My provider is a Nurse Practitioner.

Please, no postings about getting upgrades. VA is in the process of completely cutting me off, unless I take more Pain Medication to be able to POSSIBLY try to get in for an appointment. I haven’t even been outside to do my 10 -12 minute exercising walk. For me to possibly handle a length of 1-2 hours, I’d have to take more Oxycodone than what is prescribed to me.

In the dirty bowels of our devoted VA. It doesn’t seem to be legal to be basically forced to take more medication than your normal dose to appease the VA. They’re purposely manipulating me to get my regular monthly medication.

I sleep in a hospital bed, been homebound, and fell and broke my right wrist. VA didn’t let me see an Orthopedic Surgeon, and now my radius and ulna are bowed out-like right before my wrist on my right dominant arm. And, since my dominant arm is still damaged, I feel more vulnerable.

If anyone is reading this and you have me tagged, FUCK YOU. Come to me, face to face. I’ve been polishing something to get it ready for you to taste. Come on, knock at my door. Declare me unfit. A danger to myself or society. Please come get me.

Ever since I’ve been labeled or something by the VA (can’t verify for sure), I’ve been strengthening up my left arm. Its going well. Please, come a knocking on my door. Knock real hard like your trying to get it. I’m a little hard of hearing, so you may want to try the handle to open up the door a bit. Only a bit now.

One thing that I can definitely prove, is that my health has deteriorated ever since I started receiving healthcare from the VA. Hey look, I’m a Biologist, train my own K9 PTSD-Alerting Service Dogs, been very proactive with my health, faithfully use many top end nutraceuticals, did a drastic positive diet change, discovered a way to get off of all stool softeners and powerful stimulant laxatives, and I tried to have a professional relationship with the VA. Well, unfortunately, it ain’t a happening and hasn’t been for a long time.

If the VA is causing you additional stress, and you’ve searched for ways to clear things up or to better the relationship, and still, its all messed up, listen, don’t beat yourself up any longer. I’ve came to the conclusion that this in NORMAL behavior for the VA, but not normal for an Agency or Group to practice medicine in this manner.

Unfortunately, I’m only able to share about things that I’m going through. Sure, I get off the wall and post comments that reveals me babbling, to rant, rage, or to post dark types of humor. Or, you may find that all of the information that you’re reading is getting to you, and you may feel kinda depressed, overwhelmed, disgusted, angry, glad (only if one Rat Bastard gets a red hot poker up the poop shoot).

These feelings are all natural. The first time that I experienced a couple of these feelings, it felt awkward, and I didn’t know how to process it in my mind. I understand. So, if you get a little flustered, and it seems like you’re being smothered, relax. Take a decent break, treat yourself, or you may want to contact Dennis and talk about doobies.

Opioid Update- How to handle this epidemic hasn’t been established. The concerned powers at be, are overly sensitive in implementing changes. Fixing the Opiate problem is going to take a little more creativity, but a lot more compassion and understanding. With a focus on the best way how to treat a Veteran, and not for the Primary Care Physician to be overly greedy with the stat numbers to show their superiors how well they’re making a Veteran suffer more, besides the Veteran’s regular ailments.

I do know this though, that there’re many Veterans that are being pre-maturely or inappropriately being tapered down, or the regular prescribed amount has been drastically reduced in one click that it is life-threatening, or even worse, being completely cut off from the Pain Medications that a Veteran needs to function a little more than currently. – – – Nutter.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Nutter:

It sounds like you’re in a shitty VISN. I live in Michigan and my VA Health Center Director is 100% Pro Veteran. I’ve gotren her involved in several of my issues with the local HCC and everyone has been resolved in my favor!

Also have you tried the Patient Advocate! If tgat didn’t work perhaps the VA IG.

Back in the day, a mention of going to the IG caused a losining of bladder and spincter control.

Give that a thought too!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Bob, that may have been the way the VAIG worked years ago, but after Obama illegally fired 4 agency IGs, the rest got the message and decided not to do their jobs for the rest of his terms. Congress allowed them to get away with it, and still do.

Go to the VA IG web site and see what they proudly proclaim they will investigate.

I called the hotline over a year ago about my VA committing serious insurance fraud. The bimbo that answered was snotty, told me they don’t investigate that kind of problem and hung up on me.

A year later (about 2 months ago), I get a letter from the VAIG stating I needed to sign a Release of Information if I still wanted them to investigate.

In the letter, they stated they only investigate:

1. Violations of the law.
2. Gross mismanagement of funds.
3. Abuse of authority.
4. Substantial patient safety problems.

I wrote them back telling them what I thought of their operation and copied the House VA Committee staff.

The VA IG is as worthless as tits on a bull.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Your right they pick and choose, you have none inspectors answering the phone and letters and they make the decisions.

People like Diana Rubins and Graves. Who are willing to do what ever is needed to not do what the law calls for.

Question, has anyone heard about a military build-up in wyo, told that if you go on you tube people are reporting a military build-up in many small towns.

Rumor that the volcano may blow.????

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Time to round up the sheep

cj
cj

@OLDMARINE: You sure give me a lot to think about..

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

cj …..That’s because you have your eyes open…THAT’S A GOOD THING

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

You have the legal right to change providers!

Dan F
Dan F

Yep, you sure do have a right to change PCPs. I have done it to the point there is no one left to change to. I had a doctor who was so bad, he didn’t even realize the pains he had were heart related – he died. (That is the story from the folks at the CBOC where he complained of chest pains for several days and they urged him to see his own doctor and he said it was indigestion – he dropped dead at work). Onto number 2, this was a (foreign born) female MD who never saw a narcotic she didn’t like. Her answer to everything was Vicodin or Tamarol. I was told she was asked to leave. So, before she got me hooked, I said no thanks and got the head of the PCPs as my primary at the main VA. He would make you wait an hour, never listen to you and then lie what he did in your EHR. After a couple years of this, I figured I would try another MD at the CBOC. I thought she was good until she prescribed two medications that were contraindicated (serious interactions which could lead to death). Fortunately, before I take anything they prescribe I look it up on the Internet. Well, I could now get a Nurse Practitioner, but what’s the use? I see this PCP once a year, tell her just do what you have to do and no, there is nothing you can do for me. When I told her of her prescribing error, she didn’t even acknowledge what I said. What I finally did is find a real good private family doctor and don’t care I have to pay my Medicare Deductible and co-pays.

I am sure my story could be repeated with minor variations thousands of times.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Thanks Bob. Submitted the change to VA for PCP that is licensed in my State, and at least has some experience in writing prescriptions and trained (a tad now) in Pain Management.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

In defense of Shulkin, a non veteran that I DO NOT like or trust, this isn’t his budget! Actually, he told The Senate hat he DOES NOT need more money from them. He DOES need them to re-write a segment of the law allowing him to use the money (from another pot) in order to continue funding Choice!

Just yesterday while visiting my local OPC, I discovered thatthey can no longer refer Veterans to Choice because of funding, while 10 feet away is a pot of 3.+ billion dollars already in the budget that he can’t legally touch without a re-write!

You can go to C-Span and view the 2 hour grilling before the Senate VA Committee!

On a separate note HIS budget proposes to eliminate Individual Unemployability for those 225,000 of us, primarily Vietnam Veterans in that category. Our spouse would then lose her Health Insurance!

This Administration DOES NOT want to honor the US Committment to her Veterans!

Write, call, fax your Representatives – TODAY!

1st Cav
1969 – 1970

100% TDIU

Rich B.
Rich B.

Bob ,

I disagree that this administration does not want to honor its commitments to veterans. First they have only been in office less than 6 months, and It has certainly done a lot more already to help veterans than left wing Obama ever did. As to unemployability compensation for veterans who are not actually rated 100%, the government has a history of grandfathering in those who already have a benefit when the laws or rating guides are changed.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

So. We should NOT advocate for ourselves and hope this Administration will Grandfather us in?
Shulkin has said the dollars that go to the Targeted Class ( my words) will go into the Choice Program.
What this means to most of us, is that this 3.2 Billion Dollars for 2018, will help to possibly fix Choice while ruining financially up to 225,000 Vietnam Veterans and stripping their Spouses of CHAMPVA. If you are 60% and married, compensated at 100% P&T, you would have 23,000 dollars lessin your checkbook next year! Then try to replace CHAMPVA with less money and rising premiums!
You can hope that should this go forward that we will be Grandfathered. While you are doing tgat, I’ll keep emailing and faxing the above to members of congress, 60 minutes, this blog, POTUS and anyone else I can think of. To date that is 228 different people!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Bob, you are correct that this is not Shulkins budget, but he is still responsible for properly administering what he is given.

As for congress needing new legislation for Still on to use other money for Choice…I don’t believe they need legislation, but they DO need congressional approval to spend money differently than how congress intended.

That is a simple process that federal agencies do often.

The problem results from congress not wanting that money spent differently than intended.

The question I have is, what pot of VA money holds 3 billion that was not spent as intended?

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

He called it Community —–. Forgot the word but he said it hold 3.+ Billion. He said he needed a re-write to use those dollars

Just puking back what he said!

At any rate Choice has NO more money in their pot!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Bob Anderson – – – Wait, wait, Shithead “Shitty” Shulkin still wants more money. The money from the pot (I didn’t know VA is a MMJ dispensary). Learn something new every day. If someone purchases a bag from the VA, please check potency, weight, and to see if it is real.

Sorry about the sidetrack Bob. But he wants the pot and then if all monies are recovered from TDIU, well that’s a lot of money. Don’t defend this character. Impression is to make others think that Shulkin is doing good. But you on the other hand, a slim limed greased up tubular shaft is headed right toward you. No credit to those that plan on harming Veterans. Credit goes to those who help us to overcome, to get well, to assist you with your needs, to supply spousal support, yes, K9 support too.

VA gets worse by each Press Release – – – Thank you, Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Sorry Bob, didn’t mean to sound harsh. I’m just trying to keep afloat here until I can find a way to escape. Literally. Been jumpy, PTSD hasn’t been managed or properly treated in years. Sometimes it gets to be to much.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Nutter:

I’m not defending him. Re-read my 1st sentence.He said 2 weeks ago in the Hearing, that he DOES NOT need more money. He needs the LEGAL authority to use that pot of cash to fund Choice which ran out of money on Friday.

They need 1 bag of cash not 500 bags!

I think this whole group of critters will bend us over a desk in a heartbeat..

This is why I have contacted 223 different critters and Organizations, including this one since his FY18 budget was announced.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Breaking off for a tad. Need to regroup. I’ll tell you folks, I hope none of you have to go through the intentional infliction of emotional distress from the VA. Real-time!

james gallegos
james gallegos

thanks for your post, what date do we look at on the committee.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

June 14, 2017 Senate Hearing on Veterans Affairs. It’s two hours but I got a good education.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Thanks

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Back to Choice for a moment. Shulkin gave a rundown which really explains the problem: The VA has ONLY 5 days to find, approve and schedule a Doc under this program. If it can’t be done in 5 days, it’s kicked back to the VA and sits there unless they tell the veteran they can’t get him/her scheduled.The veteran then starts over and this sad state continues until the vet gets scheduled! Then there is no allowed f/u from the Doc allowed W/O going through this BS approval cycle again! Happened to friend of mine!

Sad.

Rich B.
Rich B.

Bob,

whenever I was referred to choice it always took more than 5 days in one case 6 months before I could get the care that was requested. The request for care was not kicked back after 5 days because of this delay… when do you get this crap? Factually, they only way a request for care under choice is kicked back is when the veteran refuses care under the program. Just because Choice is available for care, doesn’t mean care is available. I have refused care under choice because it would have required me to go an hour from home, when I can get care in my back yard if I really need it.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE – – – But these people are the type where they brag about all the money the have at that night. Then the next day they’re asking you for or to borrow money. See these types all the time. Matter a fact, got some in my family. Another word that’s being redefined all the time.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Bob Anderson – – – Dang nab there Bob you got the dam juices flowing in some. That’s fine, keeps the dialog going. Who’s apology are you accepting? I know that I apologized earlier.

Anyway, there is no need to get tweaked up because of a statement. I’m guilty of this, and I’m trying even though I messed up a bit earlier. Hope that the VA admits that they need to change? Ooo, that’s a big one for the VA to accept that they’ve been doing it wrong. I’d need a lot more bigga hope to see that day.

Veteran’s Choice Cards were mailed out on August 1, 2014. I remember this date because it links to me being DENIED for Choice. I thought this was quite strange. The only way that I found out the date that the Choice Cards were originally mailed out, was that I was doing research and found the date in an article somewhere. I remembered this date very well.

Later VA granted me the Choice Care (thank you) but no thank you. At first, Choice gave me a Doctors name, and I became super skeptical because on the Doctors port folio, he stated that he operates on every joint in the body. I said, yea, but not mine. I know of no Doctor that knows, from memory and not to look at notes (even seasoned Physicians), how to specifically operate at each step of a surgery.

When I called the Doctors office to ask questions, you’d think that I called a Used Car Dealer that need a few more sales for the month. No what I mean? “Get the fuck away from me, what the hell is wrong with you? That’s what I felt not what I said.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Nutter……..a Used Car Dealer that needs a few more sales for the month….LMFAO…

Bob anderson
Bob anderson

Twernt you! Guy who said I was posting Crap about Choice. I was only posting what Shulkin himself said!

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

The crap I got directly from what Shulkin HIMSELF said in the Senate Hearing on 14Jun. The whole thing is on C-Span!
I can only say what I heard with my own two ears!
Perhaps YOU should invest 2 hours of your time and hear the same thing.
Apology accepted!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Bob,

Part of the problem with a vets referral to Choice is the vet not being aggressive, or knowing they can tell Choice who they want to see.

Some vets referred to Choice will wait until notified by Choice who they will be seeing. I think this is the wrong step by the vets. Either Choice or the VA will run a vet in circles of the vet allows it.

Both times I have been referred to Choice, I called Choice, for the Authorization number, then told Choice who I would be seeing, after confirming with the provider that they accepted Choice.

Both times Choice scheduled with the provider.

The first referral was when the VA and Choice were holding onto Choice funding like it was their last dollar, and only very specific testing was allowed. It took 57 days AFTER the referral and a congressional inquiry before I got the appointment.

The second referral was easier, and much more open-ended. I was referred to the same hospital, and the referral spanned for any appointments or testing needed from when I was referred in January until August. This was during the time the VA thought they would not be able to spend all the Choice funding before the program expired, so they were spending it as fast as they could.

Both referrals were because my VA hospital does not have certain specialists on staff.

Rich B.
Rich B.

@91Veteran,

Glad you were able to tell the Choice folks what you were you wanted to go for care. I have tried that and it does not always work. In fact, Choice pays no more that tricare or medicare, and a lot of providers will not except it that is why I was told I would have to drive over an hour to get care under the program. Factually, many veterans aren’t able to pick who they want to see under choice.

Horace
Horace

I’m going to say this to you wonderful for you,,,, they pick and chose who they well grant a good result to and then they don’t that the facts,,,, you stated you picked and they qualified the doctor,,, well friend that don’t always happens,,, glad you did,,, just don’t become blind to others who it doe’snt happen that way,,,,

91Veteran
91Veteran

Horace, I am not saying other veterans have not had a bad experience with Choice. I am saying if veterans want to try have a better experience with Choice, DON’T give Choice a choice in ignoring you.

If you have verified a provider as participating in Choice, then Choice should have no problem inscheduling with them. If they do have a problem, then it is Choice playing games rather than doing their jobs.

I am not cheerleading for Choice. I think it’s a program that was sabotaged and poorly managed from the start. I have just read about veterans waiting months for Choice to even contact them, then waiting months longer for Choice to call the provider.

In a nutshell, I am saying veterans sometimes have to force VA and Choice to do their jobs.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Same here. Now add in the complexity of basically interviewing a Doctor to see if you’re compatible and feel comfortable with him, but more, the medical services that they provide.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Bob, if your doing OTC’s on a daily basis, try using N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC), along with other potent Anti-Oxidants. Doctors won’t tell you about NAC. Used for Percocet overdoses to help remove residual molecules from your liver, kidneys, bladder, etc. Giving out my specials again.

For All- What Physician has ever told you about NAC? Be honest now.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Was seeing PA’s for years and was satified UNTIL another guy said that I should NEVER have been taking 800mg of Ibruprofen for YEARS.

That should up when my Kidney Function Test showed a significant lowering.

Got them to put it in my Medical Records BUT”…………….

WTF?