VA Spent Billions Without Denting Doctor Hiring Problem

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Doctor Hiring

An NPR investigation found that despite $2.5 billion in special funding, VA added no more doctors and other clinicians than without the extra money.

Veterans Choice and Accountability Act added $16 billion to the VA budget in 2014 with the goal of fixing the wait time problem that led to a scandal where many veterans died without much-needed healthcare.

$10 billion was supposed to go to help veterans get non-VA healthcare. $2.5 billion was supposed to go to hiring more doctors, nurses and other clinicians.

NPR’s recent investigation into effects of the expensive but needed fix found the following:

  • VA has about the same number of new hires as it projected to have without the added funding;
  • The new hires were not sent to VA hospitals with the longest wait times;
  • The medical centers that received new hires were not likely to see improved wait times.

Doctor Hiring Funding Shell Game

The reason for the hiring failure is reportedly budget shuffling that occurred after the funding was distributed. This is no surprise to anyone who noticed VA reallocating other funding to pay for cures like the Hepatitis C vaccine.

RELATED: Veterans Choice To Be Fleeced For Hepatitis C Vaccine

According to NPR, VA used the funds to hire the same clinicians it would have hired without the funding. Instead of doubling down on hiring clinicians, VA then reallocated less restricted funds in the same amount to fund other projects.

David Shulkin, the soon to be Secretary of Veterans Affairs, supported his decisions as to how the funds were allocated while he led the Veterans Health Administration.

Shulkin told NPR in December:

“When you’re given a budget you face a number of new stresses on those resources. You have increases in pharmaceuticals, you have your wage increase, you have your leasing cost increases, you have IT increases. So without the Choice money, we would not have been able to have maintained the type of hiring that we were doing and expanded the type of hiring we were doing.”

Phil Carter, of the Center for New American Security, says this kind of budget strategy is common for self-interested bureaucracies in Washington:

“It makes complete sense for a self-interested bureaucracy to hire with that money first. I think VA hired staff with this money will all intention of improving access and quality. I think the VA leadership found it harder to do that.”

Carter went on to state he did not believe the shell game with funds intended to increase the number of clinicians was done with malice, “But I don’t see malice here, just the basic inefficacy of American bureaucracy.”

Do you agree?

It will be interesting to see if any Senators ask Shulkin about this apparent shell game today (February 1) during his confirmation hearing starting at 2:30 PM EST.

WATCH: David Shulkin Confirmation Hearing

For those of you hoping Shulkin will be pressed on this issues, do not hold your breath. He has wide support from Democrats, veteran organizations, and some Republicans including Senator Johnny Isakson.

Sen. Isakson reportedly promoted keeping former Secretary Bob McDonald after the 2016 election. While that seemed like an impossible request in light of the animosity between President Donald Trump and McDonald, keeping Shulkin was the next best thing to some.

Following a meeting with Shulkin, Sen. Isakson provided the following comments:

“As the undersecretary for health at the VA, Dr. Shulkin is no stranger to the work that needs to be done to bring accountability to the department. Dr. Shulkin’s overwhelming approval by the Senate in 2015 demonstrates the kind of broad, bipartisan support that I expect to see this time for his confirmation as secretary of the VA. I believe Dr. Shulkin to be a passionate veterans advocate who will work to transform the VA and ensure our veterans get the timely, quality care and support they deserve. I look forward to chairing his confirmation hearing.”

Personally, I bet Trump was unable to find a suitable substitute for McDonald who was also willing to take the job.

Each administration brings in someone new who is always taking a year just to get caught up with the cronies and scandals must less developing policies to address them.

By picking Shulkin, a person who should be familiar with the wait list scandal, the success or failure of reforms over the next few years will deservedly hang around Shulkin’s neck.

Instead of giving him a Scarlet A, we would give him a Scarlet F – – for FAIL.

While I will not hold my breath, I will remain hopeful Shulkin succeeds.

Source: http://www.npr.org/2017/01/31/512052311/va-hospitals-still-struggling-with-adding-staff-despite-billions-from-choice-act

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cj
cj

I think anytime extreme amounts of money are involved, nobody is to be trusted, There needs to be oversight. Who should do that oversight? That is the 100 billion dollar question. The House and the Senate sure isn’t doing it, and I thought it was their job to do so. Washington has gotten so far out of hand I don’t think it could ever be brought back under control. Maybe Mark Levine is right, we need an article iv convention of states ,to take bake power from Washington, and give it back to the states where it belongs.

So much information, and corruption, I can’t keep up. Information overload………..maybe by design? Hey look over here, and when you turn your head they pocket another check intended for you. Criminal bastards, everyone of them.

And as you said Ben, in the meantime at least 20 veterans a day take their own lives. On top of those dieing waiting on treatments. Makes me sick to my stomach.

I wanna release the Kraken on them spitting fire, and watching lil Senators and Congressmen, run for their lives, as the dragon chases them unrelentingly, like cockroaches scrambling when the lights are turned on.

cj
cj

I meant article v convention of states.

BMcL
BMcL

“I wanna release the Kracken on them…”…HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ALSO, Godzilla and Mothra!

Quite honestly though, leaving it up to the States is not really a good idea. Elected officials in each State would most likely extort funds by feds for State “pet projects”!
No matter which way, we are screwed.

cj
cj

@BMcl: I beleive you are correct,

Ex va
Ex va

The careline would have unspent salary dollars because they did not hire doctors or providers and this money they had to spend or it would be forfeited. The end of a fiscal year was September, so they had to spend this money, but it had to be linked to Veteran care. They would spend on items such as solid cherry office furniture, trips for conference trainings, and other useless items that did nothing to improve Veterans care. This is how it benefits them and they can keep their licenses and their colleagues protected and not improve Veterans care. This stuff is done and administrators know this and they just let it continue to go on as business as usual. To me it is simple fixes, they just do not want to make changes because they would have to actually work.

cj
cj

@Ex va: Yes, your correct, sometimes when I post, I don’t make sence to the topic at hand because I get blinded by anger, and still have the thougts of lost brothers and sisters intrenched in my mind. Also it is very hard for me to keep up with the rest of you. All of you have a much greater knowledge, and are better at sifting through all this information. I don’t even have the ability to form a proper sentence, or paragrah any longer. I am not complaining or anything like that. Some days, i can’t even remember the day before. When I was in jr high school I was getting straight A’s in analylitical geometry, now it is a chore to just memeber my meds, feed the dogs, let them out, and remember appointments, and the V.A. says “it’s not a TBI, it’s a personallity disorder……………………………….I got their personallity disorder right here.
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Ex va
Ex va

@ cj, sorry to hear of your cognitive problems. That really sucks. My emotions get the best of me and i don’t make sense at times too. TBI is awful, sorry to hear this about you.
The confusion and time lapsing i really hate that, i get that too. In my opinion people with personality disorders tend to not interact much. I do not see that at all with you. Your lack of sleep, and i do the same causes a lot of confusion with times and dates. I am out of balance with that it feels like hell at times. I think you do great at communicating. I am slow to respond at times i know. Hands and brain do not work well. I hate someone having the TBI because they really do not know how to give good treatment for this. I feel sorry for anyone having this injury. I know what it feels to loose function if you were high functioning. It is just a struggle at times trying to do your daily living activities.

cj
cj

@Ex va: You have always made PERFECT sence to me. i get the absolute finest care for my TBI, just not from the V.A. I go to a memmory center, with highly qualified doctors, and have for the past 4 years. Can you imagine what it is going to be like if my case ever lands in front of a judge? Memmory center 4+ years of data vs V.A.’s 15 minute accessment by an UNQUALIFIED Psyd. Who by the way in her private practice that she failed horribly at, had numeroous complaints. Comming in drugged up and falling asleep, not knowing her patients got up and walked out. Pitting husband against wife, and laughing about it. Yes this is the same shrink that concluded that the V.A.’s own trained TBI examiner, and 3 independant outside sources with actuall qualified licensed TBI specialist, along with documented MRI scans showing the same were all wrong and she was the only one right. As for remembering things, I set alarms on my phone, along with a message for what the alarm is for. like a trained dog, only not as smart lol.

cj
cj

@Ex va: To reitterate, when I talk about losing brothers and sisters, I am not talking about “in combat” lossed, as I am not a combat veteran. I am talking about close personal friends exposed to AO, that over the years I watched deteriorate without ever getting the help they need from the V.A. Still today, I have friends in need of the same help. This whole wait it out until they die, makes me sick. NON combat veteran with service connected left knee mangled, every single disk herniated, two of witch are completely destroyed, a fractured vertebrae, hearing loss, tinnitus, and when the hammer finally drops, TBI. It really pisses me off that all these years I thought something was wrong with me, I had no clue whatsoever it was a TBI and not me. The military, and the V.A. had all the information to know exactly what was going on and never put two and two together. Thank God I have an excellent privat pcp, that is proactive, and had the ability to see exactly what was going on. FUCK YOU, VAMC health care, my ass.

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Ex va
Ex va

@cj, i know you will get justice from the judge when you finally get to appear before him. You have overwhelming evidence with all these injuries. Va doesn’t have enough with an assessment. Too many brothers and sisters Veterans have been abused, neglected and died from va’s care. The va just does not want to take any responsibility for their failures.

The va credibility is worthless when they deliberately do these acts criminal acts. Sorry, you have a lot of injuries. Combat Veterans and peace time Veterans we are all Veterans and signed to serve. I do salute combat Veterans and what some of them went thru is unimaginable. I just get upset over this va medical care system because they neglect our own. Probably be fighting for years myself because i know them too well. I like your artwork. LOL!!!!! You do great.!!!! ROFL!!!! There is some comical people here. We need that sometimes!! I know i do.

Is there any way you can get your military records to enter that with your other evidence? The va should have pulled info off your DD-214. I do not understand the dept. of defense not helping Veterans with benefits.

cj
cj

@Ex va: Yes military records were included, now get this, I was in an explosion in an inclosed room, airlifed to a hospital, I have no memory of the incident or the airlift, or where they brought me , or who I even saw. In their denial they stated in their opinion, I was airlifed to have a 2 inch metal sliver removed from my eye, due to an explosion, and stated personality disorder and not TBI, and headaches and ringing in the ears were most likely an ear infection, although there is no medical report of any ear infection determination. As others have stated in the past, they make shit up as they go along, to support the denial.

cj
cj

Remember, back in 77 they didn’t even know what a TBI was. I would except their denial if they mentioned the reason for refusal of a TBI, was due to the fact in 77, instead of good music like elf’s generation had, we had disco disco duck!!! And therfore it was a pre-exsiting mental disorder.

Ex va
Ex va

@ cj, you are lucky to be alive with going thru that incident. Yes, that is what they do, just continue the lie. Once they state it, they keep repeating it. Crazy.! Is your eye ok? Keep copies of all your records. It is better if you read them and remember what is in them if you can. You probably know all of this.

I watched some of the hearing today. It made me angry, it was like everything is great at the va, what planet are they living on? Every vet i know has had problems with va care. Most of them are afraid to have surgeries or anything serious done at the va.

I have bone erosion in hands, joints are messed up, mostly inflammation, back is messed up, not as bad as yours. Can you get a knee replacement? I knew of a vet who had his replaced decreased some of his pain. Not surgery at va. Do you have a lot of pain? My pain gets bad at times. Meds help a little, no cure. No wonder you can’t sleep all the physical issues. My physical triggers mental issues i think. If i get some sleep i think it is worse because joints are all frozen up again. Crazy.

cj
cj

@Ex va: I don’t know how to reponde to the pain issue and stuff. When they ask that stupid question “what’s your pain level” I refuse to answer. I think, let’s see, if a woman, giving birth, gets in an accident on the wat to the hospital, and she breaks her leg, and has a femur sticking thourgh the side of her leg, I think that is a 10, so ummm ok maybe my pain is only 1 then. Since I have been living with it for so many years, it’s normal to me, ya know? Eye’s are ok just typical vision loss for my age. I don’t think I am in as much pain as most of you guys here. They want to replace BOTH knees, but, I read a report that says people with back issues, have a high rate of failure with knee replacement surgeries. I don’t know if that is true or not. Your right, I would never trust the V.A. to ever work on me. I hear ya loudly about the pain, and sleeping and such. I don’t think there is an answer for us V.A. or not. Sometimes it’s one of those things we just have to learn to live with. Scary sometimes what goes through a persons mind at times, isn’t it? I hope you can find a way to at least manage the pain you have just enough, if not more, so you can have a good nitht’s sleep, without worrying about waking to locked up joints etc. I wish I knew a good Chinamen, that could help us all with some magical accupunture. “Ahh u go now u awl bedda now weedhoppa”. He/she could do a huge group accupuncture and make a small fortune off us. Oh no, I hope he don’t bring no mis-fortune cookies with him/her. We had enough of that. lol Will talk later Ex va. I need to have diner, drugs, and drool while watching some tv. Be good,

cj
cj

Sorry for the bas spelling, etc.

cj
cj

Grrrrrrrrrr bad spellng even……………….sheesh.

91Veteran
91Veteran

cj, my comment is for your memory related or cognitive problems. There are ways to compensate for it which you are doing, the problem is in recognizing when remembering something could be a problem.

I have been fighting those problems for over 25 years since they started while I was still in the Gulf War. I firmly believe the problems are from us being exposed to chemical weapons when the munitions dumps and Saddam’s chemical plants were blown up and the chemical clouds were blown south by the wind over the top of us. While the effects may not have been enough to cause immediate symptoms, there is no medical evidence of what low level prolonged exposure will do over time.

While I was still there, I noticed I could not recall details of events that occurred a day or two previous. Those problems continued and got worse long after I came home where I could not remember things that I had easily remembered before, and got to the point where I was not only forgetting, but easily distracted from whatever I was trying to do.

I used to keep pocket notebooks with me filled with notes, appointments, phone numbers, etc., and took detailed notes of phone calls because I would forget so much within a couple days. When PDA’s came out, a good part of my life went into it so I could remember things. Now with smart phones, I do the same, and would be lost without it.

I don’t go to the store to buy more than 3 things without making a list because I can’t remember them, and those 3, I can only remember them when I repeat the list to myself several times.

The funny thing is, in conversation with people like commenting on this blog, memories can be triggered and I can remember things in detail that happened long ago. There are other times when in conversation with someone about an event I was involved in, I cannot remember any detail at all…like I was never involved in it.

One of the toughest things still is comprehending something I am reading. Some things I can read through and understand what I read, but other things I find myself having to read sentences several times to understand it. Some of it might be writing style or it may be how interested I am in it to start with, but other times it doesn’t matter…I just cannot understand what I am reading.

Ben’s posts are easy to read and understand, but other things I read like news articles or other things are like gibberish. I can start reading, then I find myself having to read sentences over and over to understand it.

The problem has gotten better over the years simply because I have gotten better at compensating for it.

The two biggest things I have noticed that really cause problems with me remembering something is stress and lack of consistent sleep. Reducing stress or getting consistent sleep doesn’t fix the problem at all, but they certainly make it much worse if I am stressed about something or didn’t get good sleep over 4 hours.

If I recognize I am getting stressed about something, I make more notes, make reminders in my phone, might not read something, etc.

It helps, but it’s never fixed completely.

cj
cj

@91 Veteran: Thank you for your reply. I honestly coould not beiieve my eyes, complete shock, really. Like you reached into my head, and that is what you found. I must have read it over and over again at least ten times. You know EXACTLY what this is like. Sometimes, you can’t tell if you actually had a converstation with someone, or if you just thought you did. You even do stupid shit like, take a shower, and then not remember if you washed, so you do it all over again. The anger that comes with it I can’t even discuss. I could tell you things that have happened and you would be shocked. To do something, and have your own son stop you before it was too late, and to see the look of terror on his face? I have to be very careful not to put myself into situations where I know I could snap. I remember when I was 19, and had friends over, we were talking about what to do for the night, next thing I know i am laying on the ground looking up at them all and the shocked look on their faces I will never forget. I asked what just happened? They said I passed out, and was jerking all about. My first siezure, few months later we were all out at a bar watching a live band, I went up to a waitress to order drinks, same thing happened again. Every once in a while I will be driving and In an instant I am in a fog and feeling like I am about to pass out, then it is over. Nothing like those two siezures prior. Then in 2007 two weeks after having a heart attack, sitting at the kitchen counter, I again had two siezures, one right after another. They thought it was my heart, but no, it wasn’t. They had no answer for what happened. They think they know what TBI’s are and the residual effects, but they don’t, not really, nobody does. Enough rambling on, thank you again for your reply………….simply amazing what your wrote……..I am still in disbelief.

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VAISLYINF.COM

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Ex Va
Ex Va

Bureaucracy is to blame for the lack of hiring doctors when funding is available. Wrong, Liar! They don’t hire because it is hard to be a doctor or specialist at the va level of clinical productivity. They doctors (pscychiatrist, psychologist,) look to hire other doctors who would be willing to part of the scheduling scheme of not seeing veterans. to neglect Veterans and mistreat and abuse them. These are the kind of doctors and providers they want. If they are a good doctor they resent because it makes them look bad when they run performance data.

BMcL
BMcL

That’s TRUE!
As someone who I presume worked at the DVA (Ex VA), you are aware that most C&P examiners specialize in “Internal Medicine”. This is NOT beneficial to those Veterans, who are ordered to attend a C&P exam, that have ailments not related to Internal Medicine. In other words, these examiners don’t have sufficient enough experience/education to opine on a Veteran, that has an orthopedic problem. I am a PRIME example.
Furthermore, I asked a few WHY they decided to work for the Gov’t, rather than their own private practice and their answer was due to not being able to afford Medical Malpractice insurance.
Others stated that they “retired” from private practice.
IMHO…
I truly believe that a MAJORITY of Vet claims are backlogged based on the fact that these C&P examiners do NOT QUALIFY to examine Veterans, it THEY (doctors) don’t have the expertise, thus, they have NO BUSINESS opining on conditions, just because they have a “Basic Knowledge” on any particular field.
Case in Point…
IF you have an Ortho condition and decide to bypass a Primary Care Physician in public life and you decide (for the sake of argument) to see a doctor who specializes in Internal Medicine, not only are you wasting your time and possibly money, you will be told to see a PCP to be referred.
Why then, is it different with the VA C&P exam?

Have you also noticed that, when examined at a VA hospital, there’s a good possibility that you are being examined by an “Intern” (student) of a major university?
I cannot speak for ALL, but Durham, NC VA Hospital is a prime example. I was operated on by an ortho intern and was glad that his Professor was there to supervise.

The Bottom Line…
The question we ALL have to start asking is, does the examining physician have the appropriate knowledge to opine on any given ailment that we Veterans visit them for? This includes X-ray/MRI/CT technicians who read images?
I believe that the backlog, is in the least, partially due to wrong opinions rendered by those that have NO BUSINESS doing so.
I ALSO know for a FACT (not ‘Alternative’), that people that review the evidence to resolve a claim are not giving a lot of people the Administrative Due Process, being that they are pressured by mgmt. to “Perform”, thus, the reviewer picks the EASY FILES (those that are small) and resolving them first. The FAT, multi volume files are left to collect dust. Today, NOT being electronic, it is even worst. A lot of people, still pressured to perform refuse to scroll to the older dates, being that it is to tedious and they must resolve “X amount of claims”, within a certain time frame, to receive the “Incentive (quota Bonus) pay!
Sorry for the length.

Ex va
Ex va

@BMCL, you are also correct in your experience, these so called doctors are lacking qualifications, knowledge and experience and they are performing C & P examinations????? The fat C & P files are just ridiculous and is used to legitimize their examination of the Veterans condition. You are right on with what you stated.

namnibor
namnibor

Meanwhile, we Veterans on Disability Comp. received a Cost Of Living Adjustment of .03% this year, not even a full percentage point…and these hacks can play with Billion$ like it’s a Monopoly Money printing press…sickening rope a dope shell game that since Shulkin approved, will certainly continue if he’s confirmed.

It’s high time for fresh political meat on the Congressional Veterans Committees. Isaakson is one amongst a herd of dinosaur bureaucrats that needs to retire already…McCain as well. Sleepless nights…hate them. Going for a star gazing and that should help along with some Pink Floyd.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

and by the time they took out for Medicare part A and B I didn’t get anything so they gave themselves a raise

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

But I don’t see malice here, just the basic inefficacy of American bureaucracy.”

Do you agree? NO. THE RAT’S KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE CHEESE IS

Dennis
Dennis

There are 18.8 million living US vets as of 1015. Ten Billion dollars divides up to over $531 for each vet. My non VA clinic charges $95 for a complete office visit and accepts walk ins. On average when I was healthy it was rare that I went every year, but assuming one trip per year at least, top off with drugs and a few lab tests and this still leaves enough left over for ice cream and movies.

What my $95 does not pay for are the wages of the DBC, the wages of the police force at VA, the wages of countless people whose job it is to make others do their job, nor does it pay for a Rolls Royce by their legal team staffed and housed by them because they do not need a legal team.

It also does not pay for a Cabinet level administration, AFGE union contracts, massive computer IT systems, Computer diagnostic systems codeveloped by IBM, a fleet of motor transportation, grounds keepers, a full service canteen, marbled reception halls, massive public relations campaigns, and not one single doctor from mu non VA clinic has ever been paid to move somewhere else when they fuck up. VA now pays more in late fees to outsourced healthcare than Medicare and medicare processes BILLIONS of dollars more in claims.

I can see Shulkins point about how hard it is to spend the money on what he was told to spend it on…

Dennis
Dennis

2015 is correct date. 1015 AD is the current medical standard at VA.

Ex va
Ex va

@ Dennis, ROFL!!!!!

namnibor
namnibor

1015 AD?
Here I thought leeches were advanced medicine with the VA’s Telemedicine where once you tell them what’s wrong with you the VA witch Dr. on other end of screen pushes a button which releases a trap door above the Veteran in the Telemedicine Orgasmatron Booth, where ample amounts of leeches fall onto Veteran along with a few chicken bones and some zombie dust to finish it off for good measure.

Hell, the VA had to work themselves up to lobotomies as mental health treatments to quiet noisy Vets and I think the VA is still transitioning to electroshock but you have to wait for a wild lightening storm for that appointment. 🙂

Dennis
Dennis

Just to be fair, judging by the pot bellies seen wandering the halls of VA and in their photos vs. the folks at my rural clinic, then by the pound VA workers seem like a bargain. Plus at my clinic the workers step outside to excersize instead of utilizing the facility gym, and I rarely have seen non-VA healthcare folks play Hungry Hippo. They just can’t pull off the look. It is all a matter of perspective.

Lem
Lem

Choice funds were also transferred to tele medicine stay at home mom docs and the purchase of “truck Clinics” in order to subvert veterans otherwise qualified from actually receiving face to face clinical care. I believe tele medicine is o k if the physician has first established a face to face in clinic knowledge of their patients. Blind tele medicine misses too much. The one I saw made erroneous assumptions and wrote a false history to back up those assumptions. But that is not just telemedicine. That is the way physicians are taught to avoid malpractice claims. A written progress note is presumed to be accurate in court. Very difficult to overcome.

I don’t see malice unless you see a lack of caring as deliberate. But there is definitely malfeasance.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

HEY LEM DO YOU STILL GET PROGRESS REPORTS MY VA HOSPITAL DOESN’T GIVE THEM OUT ANYMORE

Ex va
Ex va

@ OLDMARINE, they have to give you all copies of anything in your records. You have to sign a release.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Do I see a “shell game” or “malice”? Not only no, but “Hell NO!”
What I see is pure and simple “GREED!”
One of the “Seven Deadly Sins!” What I also know is, that sooner or later, persons usually get caught up in their own little spider web. Only, by that time, they’re so wrapped up in the corruption, there’s no way out.
Just like when President Hoover, in the 1920’s, caught his “poker buddy” he put in charge of the VA, making a “…100 year contract with a floor wax manufacturer out of Indiana…” Then was caught beating the crap out of him in the Oval Office! (Y’all can find this article in the “Library of Congress”!)
Maybe we need someone to start acting as POTUS as some of those men of past years!
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with ‘putting the fear of God’ in some of these reprobates!
When we did something wrong in the military, were called into our Commanding Officer’s office, and read the riot act!
Those days seem to be lost nowadays.
Maybe it’s time to bring them back!!!!!

Dennis
Dennis

I did something wrong once in the Marine Corps. The Sergeant Major explained in detail at elevated volumn what the infraction was. He determined that the reason for my error was that I had not run for miles and miles and miles…. so he corrected that. For many, many weeks, he corrected that error.

Bill
Bill

And I will bet $10.00 you never made the same error in judgement ever again.

Dennis
Dennis

@Bill

I think people have this whole idea of what a SecVA should be kind of wrong. We know what West Point gave us in that position. We know what Harvard business types bring to the table. How about the following letter, drafted for POTUS to sign.

To: SecNav, Marine Corps Commandant
From: POTUS

General,

You are ordered to reassign all of your non-combat essential Seargents Major to a special detail. They will travel to each state and reside for the duration of this mission inside the Department Of Veterans Affairs. They will determine using techniques left to their own discretion, discrepencies between the VA mission statement and reality. Once these discrepencies have been identified, the Seargents Major will carry out corrective measures also left up to their own discretion.

Mission parameters: Beatings, slapping, kicking, intimidation, and sadistic behaviour will be discouragedf in favor of more creative solutions whenever possible.

Time Frame: Two weeks.

Mission Completion Parameters: Established bullshit free zones within VA. Seargents Major returned to duty via nearest tavern.

Tertiary: Please see blanket pardons contained in attachment.

POTUS

namnibor
namnibor

Better have one of those poop canons for each of the VA Facilities so that when the “mission is accomplished” the poop canons can be switched-on and left on a few weeks…just to be sure.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Crazy Elf, I keep thinking Trump is eventually going to get around to the VA. The problem as I see it right now is that there is such a shitstorm of things swirling in DC over his cabinet picks, executive orders, etc., all of which the media are throwing a hissy fit over, there is nothing left for veterans to be heard.

At some point, we will get past this current circus. Then they will discover veterans and the VA…and it may be worth an article on page A-12. Unless it is embarrassing enough for them to think they can draw blood.

My concern with it is Shulkin is a hold-over, so the media may not hammer him too much…at first. Then it won’t matter. The media will hammer away.

…or they spend more time on what the Kardashians are doing.

Dennis
Dennis

The real elephant trying to hide in the room at VA is the idea that they are unfixable. They all believe it or they all perpetrate the idea as evidenced the statement from the SecVA nominee – he diverted money for the greater good. They are so very broken that Congressional directive takes a back seat to his heroic efforts at keeping Titanic afloat.

Let me ask you how many bought that as evidence?

Let us suppose that Donald Trump sent his hotels and firms ten billion and told them to make sure there was a doctor at every facility. Then he finds out they spent it on swimming pools and a new lounge in each place. What do you think he would say when the CFO explained that the money was better used for something else? Meanwhile one of his guests drowned at the new swimming pool while drunk and there was not a doctor in sight. I know what he would say.

Now, why is he hiring somebody that did that to America?

Bill
Bill

@Dennis along with sergent majors please suggest to the POTUS to put in a side order for some Master Chiefs just in case one of the sergent majors need to nurse a hang over or just plain has a gaf attack. They are both from the same mold just not the same uniform.

I remember once I asked to dig a hole from mud hole filled water and move said mud and water to another location by a super kind and caring Master Chief Petty Officer. He did not think the leeches and mosquitos making babies in the water hole should be of any major concern to him. According to him I might not of been thinking clearly and he thought by letting me play in the mud and water might help to clear up my head.

Some time latter I felt this might not be working out like he thought it would. He thanked me for my input and being the kind and caring Master Chief he was and again only thinking of my mental health he asked me if I wanted to stand a dumpster watch in my winter utils. I think he was concerned I might catch a chill or worse from the nasty tropic weather and he suggested it would be a great idea I did this until I was asked to stand down latter. He told me time was getting short and was very concerned that I would late for the dumpster watch and he did want to see me get in trouble with a thoughtless and non caring officer so I was to move along quickly it would be just fine not to wash the muck off mself prior to putting on my cold weather utls.

He was such a kind and caring man I thought that calling him Chief, that referring to him as dad would be a much better salutation. On second thought I did not want him to treat me as son as the other young sailors might get jealous. So I left things as they were.

He was such a busy person as all E9’s are I think it slipped his mind and it t took him a day or so to remember I was standing that highly sought after dumpster watch. When he walked with me so he could pick out the perfect dumpster for me he thought it would great that at each quarter hour I was to call out the general orders of a sentry. I guess he thought this would help to improve my mental health or memory. This was hard to do as my mud caked wrist watch was impossible to see and since he suggested how nice I would look standing at attention I was not able to look down or raise my arm. See now why this after hours activity was so highly sought after?

This watch stood out to be great for shedding 10 quick pounds and instilling in me that I was actually the bug that he was hinting to me that was that I was.

When I think of this and a few other things this man asked me to do only if I wanted I might add, I can not understand why the snowflakes are so afraid of our comnander in chief. I think our POTUS should take some lessons on how to make friends and influence people from the Master Chief Petty Officer who did more to make me a man then he ever knew This type of adult supervision in our society of today is much needed.

Thank you Master Chief I think of you often.

namnibor
namnibor

I have been watching several different news sources this morning and *not one peep* yet about today’s 2:30 VA Sec. nominee Shulkin being talked about…ONLY the Supreme Ct. nominee is being talked about.

Why do I mention this?

Because it strikes me that we Veterans and our ongoing plight with the Dept. of Veteran Affairs is apparently either NOT “newsworthy enough” or that it’s absolutely no coincidence that just about ANYTIME anything with the VA comes-up, something ELSE ALWAYS shadows that news. Anyone else notice this unmistakable pattern that’s way beyond randomness at this point?

What I am suggesting is that protecting the VA Cookie Jar may be a much larger effort from all around the table than we first thought. After decades of entrenched corruption and many corrupt ratty hands in cookie jar that are related to other ratty hands in jar, that nepotism has created a new bloodline and genus of SUPER RAT.
Is this why it seemed to be the last cabinet appointee by Pres. Trump’s team to be announced, to ensure that preceding news creates smokescreen to cover-up the non-eventful nominee of Shulkin in a VA so hit hard by corruption in recent years? Not talking political parties…just pure and thick greed.
Yes, I am asking you to consider that there are MORE hands and arms filling the cookie jar in D.C. that there’s no longer any room in that jar for Veterans.
I only hope that Congress Critters actually show-up for the “Ghost of Shulkin Confirmation Hearing” today…I am not even hearing the ghost’s chains rattling…buried again…engineered burial in my opinion.
Rant Out.

Ex va
Ex va

@namnibor, right on!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I noticed that all day long, namnibor. Seems the MSM and even the “alt-right news organizations” are lacking in reporting the truth about VA.
Seems like we’ve become an after thought!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Nam, I was thinking along the same lines with my comment above. So much going on that overshadows what is happening with the VA.

I am sure there are many in DC that like it exactly like that.

It reminds me of congressional hearings in the early 90’s on Gulf War veterans. Nobody in the hearing room except a few congressman who stayed after their opening statement (many did not), a few government officials…usually VA to keep track of things, nobody from the Pentagon since they always testified before the veterans, and no media whatsoever.

After leaving one such hearing, I walked by another hearing room where there was a lot of commotion. I saw inside when the doors had opened. The seating was filled, there were media everywhere including sitting on the floor. I asked someone what was going on.

It was a hearing McCain was holding at the time on cable TV rates. This was back when he would be involved in hearings once in awhile to put the squeeze on certain companies. Easier to collect campaign donations.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor, @Ex va, @Crazy elf, @cj, @Dennis, @Seymore Klearly, @91Veteran, @Peterson, @Jo3n – Hey folks. The media are dumb fucks. They know what is going on with the VA. The only thing that I know they missed, in the whole time providing news, is the prediction of the come kid, President Trump. There forecasting of a winner went straight out the window and the window was open waiting for it. Dump fucks controlled by the left and fucking helmets [dick heads- and I coined this term on this blog] suck ass with the Governor, Senator, Congressman, Mayors, and every other fucking social engineering liberal dirtbag in each state.

In actuality, the VA has been a hot issue even before Phoenix broke [those criminals]. The MSM knew all along that the VA still was having problems. And being a person that always crunches numbers, I know that when our Brothers and Sisters started to come home in mass numbers, that the system would be overloaded, therefore creating problems that would need to be attended to and solved. A fucking no brainer.

The MSM is not for Veterans. If they were, the VA issue would always be kept in the forefront. And, as you folks know, there are so many things going on in the VA, that it makes common sense for the MSM to have many Investigative Reporters in the field. If not, why does Ben have a blog? Ben has more sense then these dumb fucks with a brain the size of a crocodile. Primal instincts in a progressive atmosphere of medical care and the challenges that come with it. Bottom line: Veteran healthcare theft.

I’m fucking tired of the VA’s medical care. Weird thoughts going through my head. And, in my situation, there is not a patient-PCP relationship. Everything is only what they say. I’m insulted, like my education, thought processes, alternative measures, and my input doesn’t matter. They would rather me to take more opiates [Schedule 2 Controlled Substance], that IS addictive to anyone who takes them, compared to Carisoprodol (Soma)[Schedule 4], that has been shown that it MAY have addictive properties.

Where is their fucking thinking at? I expect a lot more rationality from medical providers. It’s like I’m talking to someone that doesn’t understand common sense. There is no agreed upon plan for me to have proper help, and due to me being sedentary for a long time [muscle loss, tone, being weak], my PCP [a fucking Nurse Practitioner] doesn’t see my point that my pain and spasms has and will continue to flare up more than normal, when first starting home based Physical Therapy [OT] and Occupational Therapy [OT].

My PCP said that she is going to have the Clinical Pharmacologist review my jacket for possible care. I informed her that under the job description of a Clinical Pharmacologist [CP], is that they are supposed to evaluate an individual [I refuse to use patient because I don’t believe CP’s should treat people] in order to offer suggestive treatments. She had nothing to say. Did even what to agree with me. I have the dam website for the definition in my favorites folder. “https://www.accp.com/about/clinicalpharmacists.aspx”

I’m tired, disgusted, and don’t like the thoughts that are going through my mind. I see no future, but pain, and getting worse off. Who the fuck cares? For me it’s a life of dealing with the fucking VA’s in no-thought mode, take more opiates [they have no problem with this] they offered me more today, and they don’t even recognize my concerns or even agree if I’m right. Fuck them.

As soon as I entered that VA facility my anxiety flew up off of scale. You know me, I was throwing out humor all over the place to help relief the continuous running of the mind, and being in military protective mode. Very draining. Came home, ate, crashed out, woke up, and back dealing with these thoughts combined with extreme pain and severe muscle spasms. I don’t know how much longer that I can deal with these down right no fucking care about you attitude.

For the hell of it, I feel like contacting some old friends, and talk story with them to find out what if any Soma is on the street. I know the VA is aware that this is happening. As I write tears are streaming down my cheeks. They are forcing me to possible do things that I don’t want to do. What to do? Ranting, Panting, Disgusted, Frustrated, Tired of Bullshit, Lack of Trust, not getting any measureable positive outcomes, and I want this stupid asinine dirty science fucking shit to END !!!!!!

Even though I don’t personally know you folks, I care and love you. Time is short for me, we need to band together to save lives and to stop this fucking madness. It goes against every grain of thought in which I was trained in to help others and K9’s. As the world fucks over Veterans. Like they need more suffering and pain.

We should band together and make demands on the VA, just like the inmates are doing in the liberal State of Delaware. Hostage and Prison Standoff – Building C; 2 released, 2 still held as hostage. Delaware Governor Carney has no balls. Authorities said that if prisoners have concerns, they want to hear them. Shit, we as Veterans don’t get this type of an invitation.

Prisoners said they have issues because of Trump. What the hell are they concerned for, their in jail, with 3 squares a day, medical [probably better than the VA], computers, books, in facility classes and programs, and online college classes. They get more than us. Going to go and confiscate Dennis’s joint, and not log this one as evidence for indictment of this pot head. LMAO

I thought when President Trump came to Dover for our Brother and his family, shows how he really cares. I only hope that he fires more individuals that get in the way of reforming and reorganizing the VA, in which I consider to be a danger to my health and welfare.

And we still get fucking turd balling comments like @ME posted. My following statement is giving you the benefit of the doubt. Wait the fuck bro. With respect, where is you dam head at? The VA needs to be upgraded to modern times of progressive and innovative medical treatment and modalities. Hey, do some research on the medical frontiers established in these countries; Israel, Japan, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Netherland, Italy, France, and the United Kingdom. In fact, the VA band aid type of medical care doesn’t even truly implement medical advancements and innovations that have been and in the progress of discovering. This country is located on the VA’s home turf; you guessed it, the United States. Who is fuckin who over, again?

Ex va
Ex va

@ ANutterVet, i am so sorry you are having this bs problems with the va and they are not addressing your pain. You are smarter and more descent of a human than all these va jerk offs could be. I believe things are going to get better for you. You need someone to talk to or just rant, you do it here. We will listen. It angers me that you are suffering like this and not getting the treatment you need. These thoughts and feelings can deceive a person and when the body is in pain it can put you in a flight or fight mode and this can be distorting to what is really going on. Veterans can make bad decisions sometimes in this state. Your intelligent and i know this is a rough patch you are going thru and i know you recognize their faulty treatment. I will continue to pray and believe that this is going to be corrected.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Thanks Brother for standing by me. I’ve been trying to keep this under control for well over a year. I even gave them a heads up that I needed help. They make promises, then renege on them. I keep on telling them, I don’t want any more opiates, please give me the muscle relaxer that has been proven to work for me. The VA even prescribed it to me, once. If you mention Carisoprodaol [Soma], immediately they’ll say, “well your not going to be prescribed that medication, you need to try . . . .

I have never cussed so much in my life. When I was younger and in the service I did, but nothing compared to now after being treated at the VA. Their process becomes mentally draining, gives you a feeling of hopelessness [opiated don’t help either], and with me, my mind searches, and searches for a way to change all of this.

Same thing with our media. They know what’s going on. No guts because there controlled by the dam liberal left. And the hearings today, all I needed to do was look at the time that was spent, and a few remarks that some people posted. Another same ole, same ole. Not guts to stand up and say, I’m making changes, if you’re not for me then you’re out of here. Now lets go, we’ve got Veterans that are depending on us to make these life saving necessary changes. Thank you Brother.

Ex va
Ex va

@ ANutterVet, if you need something done or letters sent let us know how we can help. We can figure something out to get you help somehow. Don’t like you being in this anxiety and it is not right for you to go thru all of this.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Thank you my Brother. I’ll keep you up-to-date. Thank God for comedy on tv.

Jennifer
Jennifer

The choice program is horrible. I have been trying to get authorizations to go through in the dealings of cancer care through an approved choice doctor I already have with choice. I have spent over 30 hours on the phone with them about three test I need as urgent three and a half weeks ago. Everytime I call I get a different answer. “We have your authorization and working on it” “we don’t have it at all” “it’s been approved and just wait for imaging center to call you for an appointment” “the paperwork isn’t done right” “it’s on my supervisors desk” ” I can’t find it call your doctor and the va” what the )$&& I think there wanted me to die so they don’t have to take care of my medical expenses. And if you don’t already have mental issues this will drive you to it. And yes I have talked to choice, doctors, case manager, patient advocate, had stuff resubmitted, called everyday, you name it I have done it. This is a great example of the health care the vets are still getting. I have even had my Oncoligist use the same authorization number to get testing done and had him use the website choice asked me to and step by step had him request additional services and fax what they needed. And had the doctor speak w the supervisor at the main va office. The doctor said that the suporvisor was dumber than a burnt out light bulb and spoke to her three times and the suporvisor couldn’t remember speaking to her and needed a 20 min reminder in conversation to make her lightbulb come on. So who is in charge of this mess. Choice won’t let me speak to a suporvisor and there isn’t an office to walk into. I’m so frustrated. Was told to lie still, not drive, not to make sudden movements with my head. Or I could have a brain anurisium or stroke this was three weeks ago. Still waiting for approval on urgent Mri of my neck and brain. WOW ?

Dennis
Dennis

If a state overseen insurance company in Oregon jacked you around like that the State of Oregon would bring the hammer down and your net worth would be considerably higher. And that is before your civil lawsuit was filed.

Ask the new POTUS if his agency is always going to be a second rate system for those who have not betrayed America? (maybe even coming in LAST PLACE compared to us dope smokers here in Oregon…. )

NavInfPO6
NavInfPO6

Jennifer

Here is what I do when dealing with the VA and their Choice program.

Our local, tiny, VA clinic doesn’t even have an X-Ray machine on site. Needless to say, that really limits the amount of medical care that one can receive at any given time.

I am currently dealing with cancer of my right kidney and a fatty liver with a Lesion on it. Probably due to extreme, heavy exposure to all the different types of Agent Orange.

I don’t ask any VA QUACK for permission to utilize the Choice program. I simply go and they pay.

The reason the VA pays is fairly simple. They know, by law, they have to pay. If they cannot provide the necessary medical treatment there really is no other option for them.

Veterans have to be willing to step forward and take control of their own health issues. Stop being afraid of what the VA says they can do to stop you and take whatever necessary steps you need to in order to resolve any health issue.

The VA, for far to many years, have used a heavy hand to stop veterans, any way they can from doing what is right.

Our country is seriously divided over many issues. Individuals are now more than willing to openly defy parts of the establishment that has held them down for to many years. I don’t condone riots but I am willing to step forward as a combat veteran and expressed my displeasure at being treated as a second class citizen. And part of my displeasure is finally realizing I am very tired of being told when and where I may receive my medical care.

This has been what works for me, in my continuing, verbal fight with the VA system

VA doctors missed finding the cancer of my kidney and also the serious issue with a fatty liver with Lesion. I AM and WILL continue treatment through the civilian sector.

You do whatever it takes to take control of your own body. Good luck!!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Jennifer, Imagine how many millions have been taken from Choice to hire these people working the call centers. Funding paying for nitwits at the VA, etc.

…only for Choice to reimburse those providers at rates equal to or less than Medicare, if they are paid at all.

Is it nothing more than a scam.

I went through the same thing. Called repeatedly, got the same BS excuses time after time. I was eventually told about the “Choice champions” that were hired to help veterans through the program, but they were dumber than a fence post.

The only thing that helped was having my congressman inquire as to what the problem was. It still took 57 days, even though I called the provider first and told them of the Choice authorization. It took 57 days for Choice to call them to make the appointment. At one point, about 45 days in, Choice tried to tell me the VA sent the wrong paperwork, and I would have to start over. That’s when I sent the request to my congressman.

Months after the appointment, I got a call from a confused patient advocate. He thought a complaint of mine was about Choice billing. He told me my provider had sent the bill for my appointment to Montana rather than to the right place.

It was bullshit, because the provider who I had the appointment with had been involved with Choice since it started. The provider knew the program and knew where to send the bills. I stayed in touch with them until I got the appointment. The provider was better informed about Choice than the VA or their “Choice champions”.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Brother, I am sorry your in pain, inside and out, I wish I was there with you. I know how frustrating all this is for you. Get those thoughts out of your head, they are not doing you any good. It’s those kind of thoughts that makes those hungry hungry hippos win, and we sure don’t want those f ing bastards to win anything. It is when I see post’s like yours that angers me because I hurt with you. This is why there should be a P.M. component to this blog, so we can have a conversation in real time in private. I know we just met, but believe me, I care a whole f…………ing lot about you. So do others. You know that is true. Fuck the damn doctors at the va, who the hell do they think they are getting you all upset over their f…….ing bs? This is not how this is suppose to work my friend. Any doctor that does not LISTEN to a patient, is not a doctor at all, They are a pet fucking rock, do they think we like talking to pet fucking rocks? I will be at your facility in the morning and I will pick up that pet fucking rock and skip it’s ass across the Delaware fucking river for you, while you try to hit it with a big stick, we will show them how the real hungry hungry hippo dance is done!!!! Let’s cut off all their damn hair and crazy glue their heads up their asses, right where it belongs. If they have dingleberries, I will bring a rasp file and a guitar tuner, and we can put on rubber gloves and tune each berry, to a different key, so when they walk down the halls of the va with their heads up their asses they will also be chinging out the star spangled banner.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Thanks for the love Brother. When you get all tuned up and share your analogical humor, it gets me laughing so much, its like taking a big hit of seedless Hawaiian weed, whereas your testicles feel like their moving up into your abdomen. And, yes, the need to legalize weed for medical purposes instead of putting it in a Schedule 1 Controlled Substance. Too much research shares how beneficial it can be for those who don’t respond to or need a combination of medical treatments. Sorry for going off on a tangent.

As a biologist with extensive research, there is no other way to say it, these people are fucking dangerous. Ever since I’ve focused and tuned them up with specific questions, and then challenge them with pertinent scientific rebuttals, they drop the subject and say squat. Nothing. They don’t admit that you’re right, and they definitely don’t admit any wrong.

Its frustrating, and I know that their medical practices is not good for my health. Even that’s contradictive. I have given them the benefit of the doubt, and every single time that I’ve tried to be reasonable, they used me and shafted me a good one each time. Wife’s upset, K9 buddy is on edge, and I don’t have any more room for bullshit.

Conversation got so bad with my PCP, due to trying to understand where they were coming from, I actually started banging on my head while in her office. She didn’t even respond to my actions. Only saying, you were a little late, and we only have a 1/2 hour appointment. It’s so bad, they don’t even pick up on things when it happens right in front of their eyes.

I’m trying my best to chill. But I’ll tell your Brother, once I’ve reached the point where I consider them an outright complete threat to my health [almost there by the thickness of a cunt hair], I sometimes black out with anger. I despise dirty science. I can’t stand it, and I have no respect for a person that pushes it. It’s dangerous, especially in today’s world.

BTW, where did you learn how to do your graphical icons that gets a message off so kindly, gentle, and warm hearted? LOL

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I hear ya, just know you are definately smarter than they are. I always tell people, veterans or not, you have to be proactive in taking care of your own health. Never believe any doctor, va, or private. You have to get other opinions and research what your issues are, and then find a doctor that not only listens, but is with you 100%

As for the graphics, just google: ascii art_____________<——insert "middle finger" etc.
Then when you find one you like just copy and paste it into your post. You can find almost anything, dogs, snowflakes, (shhhhh I know, trouble maker), check it out and post a good one for me. Sometimes you need to mess with them a bit, line em up right etc.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Thanks for you concern. I guess finding the right doctor is like finding the right woman. I’m going to check out the digital stick pencil art. In the mean time, I going to take a clonazepam, relax, and wait until the eye lids get a little lower. We’ll see what happens. Many times anxiety overpowers the meds too. Powerful stuff that adrenaline.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Hey look, it’s the new V.A. Secretary.

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ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Looks just like ’em. All this is.

Ex va
Ex va

@ cj, @ ANutterVet, thanks for the graphic info. @A NutterVet, are you ok? I think you handled yourself well today dealing with the va. Is your anxiety bad now? You have meds for that? I need you guys to be funny, it really helps me a lot at times. @ ANutterVet, i am worried about you and your PTSD. Are you ok?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va, @cj- Yeah Brother, I’m trying to chill. I took a clonazepam earlier. Only have a few left. VA MH won’t see me for 1 1/2 months. I just seen my PCP, but they won’t communicate with each other to get me more meds to give me relieve. And, MH has already prescribed this med to me before. I’m trying to find the humor, but its a very big struggle.

I usually with drawl for a bit, settle down, relax, get recharged, and ready for lives battle again. I think you know what I mean. Viscous cycle or circle, applies both ways. Watching Comedy Central for laughs.

Ex va
Ex va

@ ANutterVet, glad to hear it. I go on YouTube a lot and watch stupid things to make me laugh.

cj
cj

@AnutterVet, @Ex va: Hey look the va just hired another doctor.

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ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – They didn’t hire any new doctors. They’re imposters, the VA knows it, and they still get paid. What’s up with this.

cj
cj

That’s one fucked up duck……..quack quack quack.

Ex va
Ex va

@ cj ROFL!!! LOL!!

cj
cj

The simpler the ascii art the better it comes out, so pick a basic one you don’t have to mess with, that looks good when you post it in your comment before hitting post.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – That came across my mind after viewing ones that you sent that were a little more complex to the others. I’m going to chill for a bit. Need to rest my mind and to recalculate. Wives asleep, dog is down, and I’m a wandering wondering mind.

cj
cj

I got a buck for a fuck, a fuck for a buck and 15 bucks for a fucked up duck.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Brother, I don’t want to be the to tell you this, but you got fucked by a fucking duck. ROFL

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: OMG I think that makes it a threesome!!!! woo hoo checks another one off the bucket list.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet, @Ex va: I gotta go and find some duck tape to fix my quack, after that…………….I feel soooo cheap now!!!!! Goodnight, and God Bless.

Ex va
Ex va

@ ANutterVet, you made me spit out my water i was drinking. LMAO!!!

Peterson
Peterson

The difference I found in using the VA for the last 12 years is that the time patients are alloted for primary care visits have been reduced to 15min From 45min. The patient gets to have their BP taken, gets asked maybe two questions, and the Dr spends the rest of the time typing.
Very little is accurately entered into the system. The doctors are highly stressed and when given the chance to explain, they say they’re not given the time to get patients the help they need due to time constraints placed on them by executives.
There are of course exceptions. If you as a patient request more time during each visit, like bringing the time for your visits back up to 45min (30 for you face to face with the dr., and 15 for their data entry to be accurately entered) not only will you be helped and have your file actually usable for claims, but Dr will be more relaxed.

namnibor
namnibor

This unfortunately is becoming the same case in the private medical utilizing Medicare here…the only difference is the Drs. are actually seeing THAT MANY patients a day whereas the same Specialist M.D. at the VA would be lucky to see -3- patients a day. Just learned a great advanced cancer Dr. left my neighbor’s facility to work at the VA. The VA he was hired at does not have this advanced cancer treatment and he went to work for the VA so he would not have to see so many patients and no malpractice to worry about and perfect banking hours…NOT to help Veterans or make the VA better…it’s like an insane country club at the VA and all we Vets get are the constant balls slammed in our faces.

However, I think you would be very hard-pressed to find a VA witch Dr. that will open their schedule for 45 minutes….plus, you would have to get past the VA scheduling critter…you know, that one with nails too long to even type and speaks little English? Yeah, the VA cares…the VA is NOT attracting the best minds when the incentives are less work!

Ex va
Ex va

@ namnibor, do you want to know the real number that Veterans where being seen at the care line i worked??? The average was two Veterans a week…. They took breaks, pointless meetings and bothered clinicians who were actually working. It makes you sick when D.C. Knows all of this and refuses to take any action…

Jo3n
Jo3n

It’s beginning to sound as if we’re screwed,….again. Personally, I’m feeling that anger rise. When nothing changes, nothing changes. For myself, words aren’t working. I’m just hearing excuses from the VA. Very much sounds like this SWAMP is overrun with TOXIC WASTE. They can’t fix it, because Congress isn’t giving them enough MONEY to buy other things. Again, nothing about the Veterans. How many decades do dying Veterans have to listen to the same s..t? SHUT THE VA DOWN.

Just Another Veteran
Just Another Veteran

I’m hoping that when Trump fired Sally Yates, it turned a few head honcho heads. Maybe we’ll see some proactive changes now merely on Shulkin perhaps secretly operating on fear while trying to show the boss he’s willing to take the bull by the horns.

Jo3n
Jo3n

@Ben, This Phil Carter guy says that what the VA is doing makes sense? Does this mean, to THEM, that all these suicides and the Veterans wait times are just fallout? It may make sense to THEM, but, I’m in the dying category. It doesn’t make sense to me. @Seymour, please don’t tell me this makes sense to you..

cj
cj

Anyone here with a twitter accout? If so could I ask you to contact Trey Gowdy: Trey Gowdy (@TGowdySC) · Twitter. And post to him a link to Bens blog, and also include in that tweet a copy on Lisa a’s post, as follows:

Lisa a January 31, 2017 at 12:43 am
My husband did not take the survey because he died waiting on treatment.

Thank you in advance.

namnibor
namnibor

Right now, White House Press Briefing, using questions also from 4 designated SKYP connections, and not *one* mention of or question about the confirmation hearing for VA Sec. David Shulkin, not even anyone in protest to Shulkin…this is what kind of worries me is the unremarkable attention even given to it…on the macro/micro scale that pretty much trickles down to the way we Veterans have felt as far as accountability and the VA…*crickets* * * ~ Anyone else find this odd or am I just odd asking this? With all the scandal around the VA, why does it seem muffled under the rug already? Too soon? Probably, but pretty tired of playing hurry up and wait.

Ex va
Ex va

@ namnibor, the press has not done their jobs on reporting on abuses about the va. I think so much is going on with the changes within the government right now the news isn’t picking up on half of all of it. I do not think the public knows all the truth behind the scandals. News agencies are not reporting. I am tired of the lies.

namnibor
namnibor

“DOVER AIR BASE, Del. (AP) — President Trump makes unannounced trip to honor the return of fallen US Navy SEAL killed in Yemen raid.”

(which I find really interesting seeing how a Federal Prison in Delaware was overtaken by inmates and was still on lock-down.) Still no news about Shulkin because Iran stuff also all over news.

namnibor
namnibor

Seems the inmates at prison in Delaware have taken a lot of hostages, some even fellow inmates and all guards…the inmates are upset over “sentencing”…I’m going out on a limb and thinking the inmates are butthurt snowflakes that did not receive full Pardons from Obama. 🙂

Every prison in Delaware is on lockdown now while Pres. Trump honors return of Navy SEAL in Delaware.

Dan F
Dan F

Let’s all not forget they also gave huge raises to all the medical staff to perform the same crappy job they did before.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I just went onto the link Ben gave to watch the hearing on Shulkin.
It was blank. Said it “…wasn’t available at this time, try again later!”
Has anyone else tried?

cj
cj

Crazu elf, mine is working fine, try again.

cj
cj

VSO sheking his head up and down when said he won’t allow the healtcare to be privatized.

namnibor
namnibor

VSO’s are bobble heads.

NavInfPO6
NavInfPO6

Ben. Thanks (I think) for providing the link to watch one BIG liar (Schulkin), telling lies to the committee who may authorized his appointment as Sec of the VA. ADDITIONALLY, watching all these committe politicians sitting there and lying to the American public because they know this hearing is being televised.

Just more lies than I could stand for one day.

I also have to add that all the VSO’s who were sitting there, in support of their hero ~ those individuals need to wake up and understand that they are supporting all those lies.

WR
WR

And perhaps they know the path forward, are well informed, and have seen the beginnings of the plan in operation and are aware and you aren’t. What lies? All politics is crap, but we need someone with a plan that will work. I believe the MyVA plan devised by numerous outside experts with McDonald and Gibson will.

WR
WR

Will definitely be watching the confirmation hearings. Am hopeful that Shulkin, who was a part of the leadership team, can continue the MyVA that was part of the revolutionary plan drafted just 2 years ago by a team of outside experts.

More than 20 VSO’s- not just Isakson- wanted McDonald and Gibson to remain to continue the program to fruition. With an organization this huge, my guess would be at least a few more years. Many VA facilities are great, but many are not. That needs to change.

BILL
BILL

You know it be polite if you first introduced yourself as va managenment before you post. Never minda it is way obvious you pos.

Keep talking the company line you turd while vets die

WR
WR

Guess you just can’t handle someone disagreeing with your point of view! (Were YOU part of the Berkeley riots last night?) Am not VA management- you turd! So you know more than all the VSO’s?-amazing

namnibor
namnibor

This is like watching the screen of that game “Angry Birds” with all the “Piggies” being the VSO’s all behind Shulkin, making piggy grimaces and grunts. While Isaakson gargles a gravy boat while talking…what a vile bunch of bureaucrats!

Shulkin is a BIG YES MAN. Pretty smooth talker. Tele Mental Health…not a fan here.

Ex va
Ex va

In the conformation hearing Bernie Sanders asked years before if the VSO’s thought that once Veterans get into the system they stated that Veterans received good care????!!!!!????? Unanimously VSO’s stated that Veterans received good or better care than what the private sector has available!!!!????????!!!!!!!!! Who are they talking to??? Va administrators???

namnibor
namnibor

When their heads are all up the VA’s asses, of course it’s the VA they get their stats from.
It brought to mind that scene in ‘Christmas Vacation” where Chevy Chases’ boss comes walking through with his entourage of people far up bosses ass and as they walk by Chevy Chase tells them to go f^ck themselves, et al…as goes the VSO Dino’s behind Shulkin.
I fear the scab on the problems at the VA is still infected.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hey, namnibor, are you smelling that rancid smell of rotten cabbage?

namnibor
namnibor

Yep. Lots of swamp gas concentrated in that chamber today.

namnibor
namnibor

Yes, I also smell THAT rotten cabbage you are referring to. I think it’s of the VSO variety. Yep, it’s a turd with a funny hat. 🙂

Ex va
Ex va

@ namnibor<<<<<<<too funny..VSO turd with funny hat!!!! :o!!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Just got to watch, finally, five (5) representatives question “Shithead” Shulkin. It was a waste of time, in my opinion.
No one questioned him on the who, what, where, how and why veterans receive such poor healthcare. Not one of them brought up all the egregious acts committed against veterans.
One did come close to it. That was Rep. Moran (R-Ks). He talked about the opioid problem. But didn’t continue his line of questioning.

Who was that idiot sitting behind Shulkin’s left shoulder? His head “bobbed” up and down constantly. Just like my wife’s bobble head collection.

One thing of interest was Shulkin’s response on working with the VSO’s. Doesn’t he realize the upper echelon of most VSO’s are against what their members want?! If not, then it’s going to be business as usual at all VHA’s nationwide.

The five representatives I watched, then had to turn this bull shit session off, were;
1) Murray (D-Wa.)
2) Heller (R-Nv)
3) Hirono (D-Hi)
4) Moran (R-Ks)
5) Boozman (R-Ark)

All of these clowns, in my opinion, missed every opportunity to ask pertinent questions over so much corruption instilled deep within the VA!
Ex; “Where the fuck did all the taxpayers monies disappear to?” Especially when monies were meant for the veterans healthcare!
“Why was VHA’s nationwide spending taxpayers monies on frivolous items, NOT for veterans healthcare?”
There’s so much Shulkin’s going to be responsible for in the coming months.

namnibor
namnibor

Shulkin was more worried about being inconvenienced by his super bowl party being interrupted in order to provide answers to committee. I wonder how many future golf games will take priority over addressing serious problems at the VA? Patterns, always watching.

Jo3n
Jo3n

I found it to be better than I expected. I have watched appointments for a while now At least, they did get real close to our truths about the VA. IFFFFFFF, they give Shulkin the power to fire bad employees, and Shulkin follows through? Many problems actually were addressed, kinda. What I found sickening, was the VSO’S. I’m amazed that the VA thinks the VSO’S are on OUR side. The Choice Card appears to be useable? I think? But, like the article said, beaurocracy(s) just finds another way to spend the money. They did address this today. Who knows? Just don’t know.. Heard some of this for years.

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