Veteran Wins $2.5M Prostate Cancer Case

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steve cooper prostate cancer

Veteran Steven Cooper won his malpractice case against Phoenix VA for misdiagnosing his prostate cancer resulting in a $2.5 million decision.

The federal judge presiding over the case concluded Phoenix VA breached the standard of care when a nurse practitioner found abnormalities during an exam but failed to order additional testing. Veteran Steven Cooper, a 46-year-old entrepreneur, is believed to only have five years left to live.

Lawyers defending VA said the nurse practitioner did not breach the minimum standard of care in part because Cooper never complained of urinary problems. However, that nurse practitioner failed to order additional testing despite noting prostate abnormalities.

Eleven months later, another VA clinician informed Cooper he had stage IV prostate cancer.

The verdict is an interesting one because it holds VA accountable for the acts of a nurse practitioner who performed prostate examinations. It is arguable that had Cooper seen a qualified urologist straightaway, that VA would have caught the prostate cancer at a treatable stage before spreading to other parts of his body.

Hopefully, this case will send a message to VA executives that overstaffing with advanced practice nurses versus hiring doctors will not, in itself, absolve the agency of liability when it fails to provide competent medical services necessary to diagnose and treat any reasonably presented condition like prostate cancer.

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/03/06/arizona-man-awarded-25m-medical-lawsuit-vs-va-hospital/98829600/

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Ishmael Shelton
Ishmael Shelton

Undoubtedly waiting time are being falsified. In my case after have a seed implant radiation I started to have great difficulty urinating and some times it took 5 minutes. After seeing the same practitioner in urology twice, In mid November I was told that I might have a blockage and that an appointment for scope exam would be made.but I wasn’t given a date. In February I was informed that the procedure would be on March 27. That appointment was made only after I went to the primary care doctor that referred me to radiology and told her that nothing had been done. I had no opportunity to use veterans choice because I never had an appointment date. When I finally got one after over 90 days, it was still more than 30 days away.

namnibor
namnibor

“[Lawyers defending VA said the nurse practitioner did not breach the minimum standard of care in part because Cooper never complained of urinary problems.]”

So, the VA once again tried to BLAME this on the VETERAN for not complaining of urinary problems? WTF VA? WTF VA?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about having proper medical personnel instead of WINGING IT you rat bastards! I personally think this Veteran was LOW-BALLED and the VA should be shown a lesson they only understand…give ALL FUTURE BONUSES FOR NEXT DECADE TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY….NOTHING LESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, this shit pisses me off to no end!

namnibor
namnibor

So, by the VA’s very own reasoning, a medical professional is still giving MINIMUM STANDARD OF CARE as long as the Veteran never complains about an internal ailment that you may or may not even know about let alone FEEL until it’s WAY TOO LATE? HINT VA: That’s what proper imaging and diagnostics are for…as well as Gastroenterologists and Proctologists….not a Nurse Practitioner that’s FIRST LOYALTY IS TO THE FUCKING AFGE UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does today’s article answer WHY we cannot and SHOULD NOT TRUST the VA for proper healthcare? The VA will ALWAYS do THE MINIMUM OR LESS. There’s no doing 110% at the VA…they take pride in that 10% metric.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor,
When it comes to the VHA’s nationwide, it’s all about the fucking “BONUSES”, NOT veterans healthcare!
Until the “Vulture Culture” is replaced, don’t expect to see any changes!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

nurse practitioner did not breach the minimum standard of care in part because Cooper never complained of urinary problems……….. I will bet he did…….they did it to me before i started using secure messaging and sending my concerns before an appointment but then they still tip toe around it and tell me thats why you get the GABAPENTIN i call it the zombie drug, they think its a cure all, mine goes in the garbage. i have other ways doing it naturally and it works and just got a copy of my blood work so i do have the proof ..just go to GOOGLE SCHOLAR and look up up your concerns some you have to pay for but there is plenty for free

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE – Gabapentin is a go to drug for the VA. Side effects of Gabapentin;

•dizziness, drowsiness, weakness, tired feeling;
•nausea, diarrhea, constipation;
•blurred vision;
•headache;
•breast swelling;
•dry mouth;
•loss of balance or coordination.

The side effects from Gabapentin were too much for me to handle, since I already deal with weakness, constipation, headache, dry mouth, and loss of balance.

The VA has never asked me how my medications are working for me. They hardly probe using specific medical questioning techniques. Tacky and weird medical practices.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

ANUTTERVET More common: side affects of gabapentin
i felt worse taking the shit then not. but PC said WE decided the benefits out way the side affects. I wonder who the we was. so just add 10 more problems to my list to cure 1. TRUE FUCKING IDIOTS

cold or flu-like symptoms
a delusions
dementia
hoarseness
lack or loss of strength
lower back or side pain
swelling of the hands, feet, or lower legs
trembling or shaking

91Veteran
91Veteran

ANutterVet, another suse effect of Gabapentin is nightmares.

Taking them for about 4 days was enough for me.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE, @91Veteran – Fortunately, I stopped taking Gabapentin after one week. I didn’t like the side effects. I come across many Veterans that are prescribed this medication. I can only imagine the amount of Gabapentin on the formulary shelves. I was on 1800mg of Gabapentin per day. Other Veterans that I met, were taking as much as 3600mg a day. Like I said, the VA loves this drug. A pseudo cure all medication.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Your right, I can’t tell you how many times I have been scripted Gabapenton. I don’t remember the exact reason I didn’t like taking it, but I think it was two fold, one, it didn’t do shit for the pain, and I am pretty shure I didn’t like the way it acted on my mind. Don’t quote me on that tho. I am just not 100% sure, so many damn drugs over the years, I can’t remember what drug did what. Your right tho, I don’t know many veterans at all that “haven’t” been scripted Gabapenton.

namnibor
namnibor

Allow me to reiterate my VA experience with Gabapentin: Both feet from calves down to feet were swollen about 3x my shoe size, and I know because I had to at that time in my life go to food pantries and free clothing places while doing both my SSDI and VA Svc. Connected Claim and had to grab a ridiculously large clown type shoe in order to go to my VA appointment when I called complaining of the swelling 3 months-in and each time the VA tried to say it was a heart thing…I was also partially State Medicaid at the time so my private Dr. I got into no problem because…I had to go to the freaking ER because the swelling got really painful and only further slap in face because taking it for polyperipheral Neuropathy because the fucking VA did not want to go through the paperwork of at the time, off-VA Pharmacy Formulary, the drug Lyrica, which is a molecule off and expensive.

Why is it a molecule off and close kissing cousin to gabapentin? BECAUSE the real-world medical and research found years ago a significant # of patients HAD MY DEATHLY SIDE EFFECTS….Lyrica does not do that and has less side effects…

Know what that VA nurse/hack on the phone told me when I called about I could not wear any of my shoes because of the swelling? “You cannot enter the premises without proper footwear”…..WHAT THE FUCK VA….YOU ARE A H O S P I T A L, not a melba toast factory….or are you? Soilent Green, VA style.

Yep, I left the VA from that experience coupled with another deathly lackadaisical approach to Infectious Disease as soon as I got Medicare….Bye Bye VA.

I am doing advocacy for fellow Veterans also out of self-interest to be honest, I want to feel fucking SAFE and utilize the VA and CALL it “MY VA”…not some marketing happy horseshit.

My private Dr. and Specialist told me that ANY truly trained medical professional would KNOW the classic side effects and deadly at that, gabapentin was doing to me. Her exact words she had to tell me twice, “The VA is going to kill you. You need to get away as soon as you get Medicare”. I did. I am hear writing today because as long as one Veteran is treated like shit and given shitty care because they are shitheads, I will keep advocating.
Sorry. Rant out. (I’m not sorry one bit) 🙂

91Veteran
91Veteran

Exactly the same here namnibor.

As you know because of my bitching about it, I have health insurance and could go outside for care of my service connected conditions, and have done so when needed and paid what I had to.

As I said to my Primary care doc when she asked why I don’t just go outside for care of my service connected conditions, I said with the billions spent by this country on the VA, one would think the promise of taking care of service connected medical problems would be kept.

What I did say was that it wasn’t my insurance agent that was deployed or injured.

I also figure that even though I might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, I can at least try hold them accountable for doing the right thing for veterans and to help others if I can.

As for Gabapentin….whenever I get a prescription from my VA, every vet has to go into an enclosed booth with a pharmacist and be told what the medicine is for, how many to take and when, and what some possible side effects there may be.

When I got the prescription for gabapentin, I had called to get a primary care appointment for a service connected shoulder injury because I had so much pain I could barely move my arm.

A few hours later, a nurse called and said it would be a few weeks before I could even be seen, so he said I could come in and get the prescription and see if that helped. He said my pain was nerve pain. He didn’t say anything more when I naively said I would other than to take 1 before bed. He never mentioned side effects.

I did that over 4 days, started having bad nightmares so I stopped.

I just looked at the bottle that I still have. It contained 575 100mg pills and says take 3 times a day.

Yeah, the VA hands out Gabapentin like the Army handed out Motrin.

cj
cj

@namnibor: That aint ranting, thats truth telling right there. You hit the nail on the head so many times I swear your were a pnuematic nailer.

namnibor
namnibor

“here”….and also do note, I have NO heart issues nor any history of such. However, as insistent as the VA hacks were that gabapentin was not the culprit and it was somehow my heart. The VA never once sent me for any heart or related studies/tests. The ER I went to sent me for same but even when in the ER as soon as I said the name “gabapentin”, they KNEW what it was or a high 99% chance that was it, coupled with heaping serving of VA incompetence…the ER’s see it all the time. Sad. Truly sad.

If you nuked a VAMC from orbit, what would be seen remain standing like a Biblical Pillar Of Salt, the VAMC’s stockpile of gabapentin.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Isn’t that a nice treat Nam? Go to the VA to get disrespected, dishonored and jacked around by some fat whale wanting to play doctor, and when the incompetence is discovered and the death warrant is signed, the veteran gets the blame.

Now, how fast will all kinds of problems arise if a veteran seeing a wanna-be doctor demands to see a real doctor instead? Including DBC flags and escorts everywhere?

namnibor
namnibor

It might prove prudent to pack a few Twinkies in your backpack when going to the VA and to easily distract the fat whale wannabe dr. in order to see a more qualified one, just toss the Twinkie out the window or a flight of stairs. 🙂

Never underestimate the power of a Twinkie. Long shelf-life as well. 🙂

Just Another Veteran
Just Another Veteran

The malpractice laws need to be rewritten. The VA is currently operating with impunity and even when they are caught, and put someone’s life in peril, they openly deny fault. Holding employees accountable will better serve those who receive care.

It’s wrong to literally force us to go to the VA, receive substandard treatment, then hold nobody accountable for atrocities.

It’s too bad this young man is going to lose his life.

What say you Veteran Service Organizations? Crickets

91Veteran
91Veteran

The VSOs are more concerned over $2.5 million resources being drained away.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

This article today is exactly how my “brother” – “Hangman” was misdiagnosed by the VHA in Daytona Beach, Florida. And, on 3/10/16 he “passed”! His wife said, “At the moment he stopped breathing, a smile crossed his lips!”
At least I knew he wasn’t in any more pain!

I’m glad, and saddened, Cooper was able to receive $2.5 million for this VHA FUCK-UP!
Only, money is NOT worth anything, if your held hostage by a corrupt government agency. Especially one which doesn’t give a rats ass about veterans!
Is that nurse still working there? If she is, that would be a slap onto every veterans face!
In my opinion, the “Holman Rule” should be inacted just for her, and anyone else responsible, for the FUCK-UP of that VHA in Phoenix! Maybe receiving $1 a day for a year, might just wake that stupid bitch up!

Rant over for now!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Ben, this is a no brainer. In your article, you stated that the, “nurse practitioner failed to order additional testing despite noting prostate abnormalities.” I noticed that abnormalities is plural, meaning more than one symptom was detected in Steven Cooper. The abnormalities are the indicators that something may be wrong, and warranted further testing.

And, when the Nurse Practitioner [NP] noticed these abnormalities, besides ordering more tests, the NP should have done a more thorough exam, and asked more detailed questions. A PCP should always engage their patients, and act like a Medical Detective. Something that I’ve found to be lacking with Primary Care Providers working in the VA Healthcare System.

Just because a patient doesn’t complain of pain or other symptoms, doesn’t mean that something isn’t wrong. Relating to chronic pain in the back, some individuals can handle this type of pain more than others. And vice a versa. An experienced Medical Doctor [MD] would’ve known this, and would’ve taken that into consideration, but most likely would’ve asked Mr. Cooper more questions, and still have ordered further testing on our Brother from the Military.

I did a simple nonspecific search on Google without using the word “symptoms,” and using the phrase, “is prostate cancer rising in men of America?” On my first search, the first link that came up on the first page was from “www.cancer.org” of the American Cancer Society [ACS], and the first sentence on ACS’s page was, “Other than skin cancer, prostate cancer is the most common cancer in American men.”

The information about Prostate Cancer was not hard to find. That’s why I said that it was a no brainer that additional tests should have been performed on our Veteran. Shame on this Nurse Practitioner [NP]. Additionally, this VA NP should be terminated from the VA due to this outright negligence.

I have been concerned ever since I entered that VA healthcare trap, due to the VA having Primary Care Providers [PCP] that are a Physician Assistant [PA], Nurse Practitioner [NP], or a Clinical Pharmacologist [CP] instead of a Medical Doctor [MD]. Even when having a Medical Physician as a PCP, I’m still concerned because the MD most likely isn’t licensed in the State where the VA Medical Center or Clinic is located in which they practice medicine.

By the PCP being licensed in the State where they practice, this would help to remove some of the protective Federal umbrella from the VA’s PCP’s, and add a small layer of protection in favor of the
Veterans being treated. The VA was created for the benefit of Veterans, not the AGFE employees.

As for myself, I will continually to challenge my PCP, a Nurse Practitioner, relating to the healthcare that I receive from the VA. I won’t be surprised if my challenging isn’t misinterpreted as being violent, therefore being put on the Disruptive Behavior [DB] or the EPERS list. The universal guidelines for being put onto one of these lists are too broadly defined.

May you, Steven Cooper, be comforted during this time in your life. We are holding you close to our hearts, and praying for you. Steven, God bless you and your family.

91Veteran
91Veteran

What irritates me about that comment that he did not complain, therefore the Nitwit Practitioner did not order more tests and it’s his fault is the arrogance of it.

Its the arrogant belief that he should have known how to do her job, and should have known it was his responsibility to complain of certain symptoms to inform her.

We all know how you could complain of a pain in your back and VA providers would ignore the complaints, along with the knife sticking out of it while asking if you smoke, drink or who pays the bills in your house.

I take my car to a mechanic to have him fix it. I don’t tell him how it is fixed. He likely will ask questions to determine what needs to be fixed. I don’t just go in there are tell him the radio is too loud, the windows don’t roll down and the left taillight is burned out when he needs to fix the transmission.

That kind of stupid remark about him complaining suggests every vet should go in and recite their medical symptoms for the last 5 years to see what might cause the light bulb to go on.

WTF ever happened to her responsibility to ask questions pertinent to his symptoms?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – Right on 91. Most VA PCP’s don’t probe Veterans with questions, therefore many additional problems are being missed and overlooked. Veteran Cooper should’ve had more tests performed.

Like grocery stores, each location has an average amount on how much each customer is spending. I wonder if the VA has an average amount per cost for each Veteran that uses VA medical services. If there is, it could be based off of gender, age, ethnicity, . . . etc.. I’ll bet the VA has some sort of numbers in their databases.

namnibor
namnibor

Also, with IBM’s Watson super computer in the mix, you *would think* the VA would be up on most current diagnostic technics and medical breakthroughs as much as the VA loves to tout they are ‘world class’…what the VA omits there is the ‘Third’ in front of ‘World Class’ medicine.
It’s almost like the VA sent planes to African and Indian outback village outposts and used skywriting to advertise to those sitting outside their mud huts to come play doctor…oh, and do not forget about all the various Pakistani and even Afghani medical personnel, or my favorite, the Americans that decide they like to were burkas and practice Islam because it’s easier to dress…and the LAST THING these troops coming back from the current wars seeing at the VA for PTSD or worse is similar looking villagers off the boat that you cannot understand….Third Word Class Medicine, yep. Toss a bag of chicken bones on ground, ooga booga, toss some zombie dust in Vet’s face…bingo, take some gabapentin, and do the hookey pokey and turn yourself about~~~~~~~ 🙂
Rant Out.

cj
cj

@91 Veteran: These doctors wouldn’t care even if you did recite all your symtoms. I told my pcp, that I had a terrible pain between my shoulder blades, she sends my upstairs for an exray, says I have an old broken rib. I said” I think I would remember a broken rib” she shrugged it off, and the next day I lost my life 3 times, to a major heart attack. The er cardiologist installed 2 stents, and wanted to wait a day for my heart to stabilize, and then was going to go back in and install a third stent. The va called the hospital and told them to stabilize me and that I was to get to a va heart center. The third stent was never placed. The pcp again after I told her she almost killed my said” well you don’t look like the kind of person that would have a heart attack” This after knowing my cholesterol levels. They have no remorse for their fuck ups, and could give a shit less about anyone but themsleves. They are in it for the money only. What a great gig, no responsibility and get paid almost 1/4 mil a year. Live is gooooooooooood when your a va pcp/nurse/practitioner/phama-doc/union fucking thug rat bastard fuckavetasaurplatapuss.spinkteraroundtheneckblindcocksuckeropolus.

touchavet@gmail.com

all the money in the world will not return a healthy prostate

disgruntled vet
disgruntled vet

LOL, nice! That 2.5 million dollar check is gonna be a tough check to write.

namnibor
namnibor

Providing said check for $2.5 Million does not bounce. I wonder what kind of VA f^ckery they will invent in paying that out to him and his family? Will the VA try to spread that out into payments over time and at the same time withhold his Disability Compensation? I’m sure we have not heard the last of this Veteran’s nightmare nor his family’s.

Kat
Kat

Actually the money is paid through the US Treasury Dept. The money doesn’t come from the VA directly. So they get off the hook there too.
Basically in the long run, it’s the taxpayers that foot the bill.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@disgruntled vet,
I bet they’ll have a hard time collecting it!
Like namnibor says, How will VA pay for it, (paraphrasing)?

91Veteran
91Veteran

As Kat says, it comes from the US Treasury.

It needs to come directly from any budget the VA plans on using for bonuses.

If that isn’t enough, then from their art budget.

If that isn’t enough, then from their relocation budget.

We can keep going until the entire VA budget is zeroed out. Its time they take some responsibility for the pathetic providers they hire and protect at all costs.

Speaking of responsibility, where the hell was this nurses supervision? Does she just see patients on her own without any oversight?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

OK, folks, here’s some great news and some really bad news!
First:
From;
“Not Fake News”
dated: Mar. 6, 2017 – (7:07 min. long)
Titled:

“BREAKING: Trump’s Obamacare Replacement Bill Is Here, Nobody Can Believe What’s NOT In It….”

#2.)
From;
“Military.com/Daily News” via: “Stars and Stripes”
dated: 6 Mar. 2017
Titled;

“2 Vets Win Agent Orange Exposure Case from Okinawa”

by: Mathew M Burke and Chiyomi Sumida.
This was great news for these two vets. Really bad news for everyone else. Read the article to understand why.

#3.)
From; “Military Advantage Blog”
dated: Mar. 6, 2017
by: Tom Philpott
Titled;

“VA Costs Could Balloon With ‘Choice’ Reform, New ‘Agent Orange’ Ailments”

Again, good and bad in this article for all of us veterans!

Big Biz
Big Biz

MALUM IN SE… This is what I’ve been saying all along…””The U.S. Federal Courts””are veterans only “hope””. We must come together and “fight” in courts across the country. The federal judges in this country have seen and heard the “crys'” of veterans!!! Check and re-check the laws in place for us..i.e. ‘”Class Actions”” litigations…because I can remember when veterans “”DIDN’T HAVE RIGHTS TO THE COURTS”” ….it wasn’t that long ago we were “”treated like slaves”” because the dam V.A. had “”no””one to legally get in that ass!!! Thank god that the legislators saw fit to “”change”” those laws thus giving us “”JUDICIAL REVIEW “” of the V.A….Mark my words this case may have set a “‘PRECEDENCE””in V.A. related “law”. The U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO APPEAL,if he can the decision…..because now “”would be attorneys are going to litigation everything because of the fees associated with a $2.5 million dollar case…FIGHTING IN THE U.S. FEDERAL COURTS IS IT!!!”””MALUM IN SE “”.Fight the Wrong””.

Big Biz
Big Biz

Pray for the “vet” that “‘won””….remember what man says in the medical sense….God says is….””WRONG””

Rick b
Rick b

I have said for many years the VA should be using Nurse Practitioners, or PA’s . The only hire these people to save money, The veteran always pays the price. I myself refuse to see medical providers that are not doctors. In fact I have been known to walk out of an appointment because I was not made aware ahead of time of the status of the treating medical personal. I would rather pay out of my pocket than to see these uneducated quacks! After all, doctors go to school for years, and they still don’t know it all,, so why are veterans expected to see shake and bakes? My life is too important for this kind of shit.

Rick b
Rick b

should have read ///should not be using/////

cj
cj

Hey va, you think 2.5 m is too much? Ask his family what they think, when this veteran is no longer here because of your fucking BS. Will the nurse practitionaer get fired? Fuck no, they already gave her, her defence: “Lawyers defending VA said the nurse practitioner did not breach the minimum standard of care” The union thugery woould be proud. I bet she gets a bonus, for saving the va all that money on “further testing”. Hey Shill-kin? I bet your useless ass does shit about this, you will probably promoter the nurse/practitioner huh? You piece of garbage. President Trump, When are you gonna focus and drain this FUCKING SWAMP? How many more have to die?

Don Karg
Don Karg

03/07/2017

Dear Benjamin Krause,

Local TV Channel Three/Five in Phoenix reported that this Judgment was to be announced in the morning of 03/07/2017—which is false, delayed news.

Early this week I had tried to get a hold of the Greg Patton the Attorney here in Town [disconnected] and over in CA [left a message]. Strange that the Lawyer has an answering machine—Reno never had one over in Long Beach/Lakewood [Worker Comp/CDC—Toxic Chemical Exposure case].

It is good to see that Amy Veteran Steven Cooper got some money [not enough] for sabotaging his life. That is the reason Karlheinz Halter [Slidematic/Precision Components] did not buy the bullshit that Union Bank [Ulger] Attorneys tried to hand us in the Late 1980s, as we called it Treason [1998 Cox Report].

Preventing Care is what the VA has created—Limiting Doctors, Limiting Nurses, Limiting workers, Limiting Procedures and Surgeries, Limiting Medicine, Limiting Visits, maximizing Waits, preventing entry into the System, refusing to listen, refusing to act, refusing to respond, refusing to be human, and creating a workplace that is hostel and unproductive and is blatantly abusive to all [including the President, the Senators, the Congressmen, the Governors, and the American Public/Taxpayers].

And for the Contractors and Subcontractors—it has been hell to do business with the VA if you are not on their “preferred list.”

Sounds like the “stupid people” had infiltrated our Medical System.

What a great job they have done.

Sincerely,

Don Karg

Steve Cooper
Steve Cooper

my verdict was read Monday at 1:30pm by the judge in open court.

namnibor
namnibor

Your brothers and sisters-in-arms have your six and our prayers. Chronic health issues seem to have a profound way of impacting the way we view things, it’s almost like a fifth dimension of thought because of a brand new perspective. Utilize all this energy to advocate and help things become better for current and future Veterans, and am so sorry for what you have and are going through. Glad you won an award and perhaps set a legal precedent in placing a boot dent in the VA’s incompetence.

Again, you need anything, let you brothers and sisters know. Peace. And, fuck the VA. 🙂

91Veteran
91Veteran

I hope you will be able to follow this Ben because I think this case will have far reaching implications, beyond just using Nurses as doctors.

Will this cause a knee jerk reaction within the VA where every veteran will be required to have a prostate exam including females? To make it look like the VA is doing something and avoiding liability?

Would they care since its the taxpayers paying for this with zero blowback on the VA?

The biggest question is, will the VA cut their losses to avoid bad PR and pay this judgement? Or will they appeal this ruling for the next several years in order to avoid the floodgates opening for many more malpractice suits? The offer condolences to his widow?

The attitude of the VA in this is typical indifference. Hmmm. The nurse met the standard of care, but the guy has Stage IV cancer after seeing that nurse.

That suggests the standard is too low or non existent.

I’m thinking non existent.

Don Karg
Don Karg

03/07/2017

Dear 91Veteran,

Great response to the article—Call it what it is Hush Money.

If it looks like a spade, call it a spade—-Karlheinz Halter always used that in his writings.

The VA will have to deal with countless of numbers of lawsuits coming at them.

What to expect—Ask the Aerospace Whistleblowers of the 1980s?–Well, most are dead.

Planned, or just incidental—ask the U.S. Senators when they slammed the door shut.

Oh, most of them are now died.

Get the picture.

“That suggests the standard is too low or nonexistent. I’m thinking nonexistent.”

Phoenix VA is at the Bottom of the Barrel for a reason [Where is Sen. Flake, Sen. McCain, Rep. Sinema, Governor Ducey, Mayor Stanton?]. According to Dennis Wagner [the main investigating reporter out of 18 over at Carl Icahn’s Gannett/USA Today/ Arizona Republic] “picking low hanging fruit.” Why? It is not because it is easy to pick.

Sincerely,

Don Karg

91Veteran
91Veteran

Again, that’s why I wonder if the VA will appeal this.

Not only does it open the floodgates for more lawsuits, it puts a serious crimp in their plans to use nurses as doctors.

namnibor
namnibor

Pretty sure the VA is living proof Ferengi live on Earth.

namnibor
namnibor

Laws Of Acquisition #10: Greed Is Eternal.

Jo3n
Jo3n

I’m glad they won, so far anyway. It’s another reason to stay away from the VA. I hope this does open a door that has been closed for too long. Why would Sessions fight the decision? I’m not getting the why. Wouldn’t that be going against what our President said? One thing I am sure of, there will be no apology from the VA.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I don’t see Sessions deciding on his own to fight or appeal this.

I see it being appealed if a bunch of contractors, VSOs or congressmen see their gravy train being threatened.

namnibor
namnibor

Don’t forget about AFGE President David “little” Cox and his minions. The AFL-CIO and by proxy, AFGE, will spend $3Million to save $1Million, because they can and will defend an idiot dues-paying member like a rabid dog as to not have a crack punched through in legal precedent to allow further eroding of the cookie jar.

Now, since it’s the Treasury Dept. in which such payments are made for this Veteran in today’s article, I second the proposition to take said $$$ directly away from VA’s casual high dollar spending habits and I think the interior decorating and art budget as well as VA’s Public Affairs budgets should be the first to feel the blunt force of that giant sucking sound from their cookie jars.
As it stands, the VA will not “learn their lesson” one bit and this will repeat again and again, and already has. “This has all happened before.”–‘Battlestar Gallactica’.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

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nicky w savage
nicky w savage

That is par for the course, here are my complaints of the last year.

Low testosterone, they will not treat because I am overweight. Number 1 side effect of low testosterone is weight gain.

Hi protein levels in the urine, time and time again. With my malignant hypertension I have asked for kidney tests to make sure it is filtering the blood correctly with no action whatsoever.

Again with uncontrollable blood pressure I have begged for a cardiologist since 2012. In 2012 the doctor pretty much said I had to have a heart attack to get a cardiologist. Since they wouldn’t give em a cardiologist to treat my blood pressure, they sent me to the pharmacist in Dallas to treat it. When I saw he was Pharm D I laughed and said you know I have been a nurse 30 years and not once knew a Pharmacist who could treat and diagnose an individual, without the medical rotations, internships, residency and fellowships that a qualified doctor has to go through. I walked out.

Fast forward to the end of 2016, nuclear medicine stress test showed small to medium heart attack. Nuclear Medicine stress test did not show this in 2013. I was carried out of the VA yelling, the doctor still won’t give me a cardiologist, says it is only small to medium.

cj
cj

@nicky w savage: Don’t leave cardiac issues up to the va. Please don’t do that. As you already found out it can kill you. I also believe stress tests, and nuclear stress tests should only be given at a heart center. If a heart attack is triggered, your fucked. I understand you may not have a choice but to use the va, so do this. Once a month go to the va er and complain about chest pains. It won’t be long before your offered a cardiologist, just tell them you prefere to see a cardiologist at a va heart center. VA also lost a lawsuit, for not providing cholesteraol lowering drugs to a veteran that was known to have high cholesterol, and he died. Here is a list of other cases the va has lost:Examples start at the bottom of page 7. “http://www.tullylegal.com/forms/Guide_to_Suing_the_Department_of_Veterans_Affairs.pdf”
I am not preaching here nicky, actually I am quite pissed off at how they treated you. This is just my way of dealing with that anger.

Ex va
Ex va

This article is sad and there is probably hundreds maybe thousands of Veterans who have been treated like this or worse. For a payment of a life the va gets off easy per their normal standards. I guess i am happy for the dear Veteran for winning, but he should have not gone thru any of this incompetence in the first place!!! Here is your payment for incompetence that we fought you every step on the way of this horrible experience of your life.

It is not enough!!!! A life is worth saving and the va just does not understand this. Early detection is your best chance of fighting disease or cancer. The va does not want to even deliver that standard of care. They stole this man’s life and God knows what he has been suffering and will continue to suffer. Cancer is not any easy death!!!

I will think positive for this Veteran and for all other Veterans. I pray for justice for this dear Veteran to continue and that his cancer disappears and for healing of his body. I pray that God hears the voices of Veterans who are suffering and continue to suffer at the hands of these va monsters. I pray for God’s intervention and justice begins now for many who suffer. Vengeance is mine and i will repay sayeth the Lord.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Can I get the definition of Spinkteraroundtheneckblindcocksuckeropolus, and use it in a sentence please.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: That is : fuckavetasaurplatapuss.spinkteraroundtheneckblindcocksuckeropolus
Definition: A va practitoner/nurse that resembles a platypus, but has it’s head stuck up it’s ass and got it’s head stuck up it’s ass by being a blind cocksucker and blames the vet for it’s circumstance and fucks said vet over.
Use in a sentence: While showing my va pcp the knife that accidentally got stuck in my back, the fuckavetasaurplatapuss.spinkteraroundtheneckblindcocksuckeropolus, decided to send me for an endoscopy just for the hell of it, and since my pecker was never injured while in the service or anywhere else, I was billed for the entire ordeal, there by fucking over yet another vet.

Bens blog dictionary page 23: fuckavetasaurplatapuss.spinkteraroundtheneckblindcocksuckeropolus

cj
cj

It is right between dicknosedsmegmapopper and fwufftittedbutterbastardswinediddler.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I had to teach my PCP how many 4 hour segments were in a 24 hour period. After the schooling, my meds were renewed, plus instead of prescribing me a muscle relaxant, I was given more pain medication. WTF. I not only have to watch the overall medical care that I receive, I have to show my PCP how many tabs that I take per day [when the PCP writes the script], and then they are so uptight about pain medications, yet they prescribe me more for what is called breakthrough pain. These people live in a totally different world.

How are you doing tonight? Are you still having digestive problems?

I have a pen pal friend in whom I never met, he is also an Obamamite, and we have had our share of political disagreements. But, we try very hard to work through the different beliefs in the issues. We have had many disagreements, and have fought like cats and dogs. Anyway, he has a good partial solution pertaining to undocumented illegal immigrants.

He stated that the Fed Government should require all employees to verify if a prospective employee is legal or not. If they are illegal, they are supposed to turn them in. There is some merit to this, but it seems like it is a good idea. Especially if ICE has a special site or hotline so that employers can directly contact them.

But here is the liberal slant, he said that this process should not apply to those in the produce industry [pickers and such]. Besides working in restaurants, farming is where most of the illegals are working. My friend said the he was concerned about stabilizing produce and other food prices. What do you think?

I don’t know how long that I’ll be on tonight. For some reason, I’ve started to get easily tired after 12 midnight.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I will email my answer to you. This is a long subject. be right back.

cj
cj

Tap tap tap………….did I break the blog?

cj
cj

Shill-kin doing a bang up job, wasn’t it he who started this whole nurse/practitioner pharma/doc in the first place? and didn’t he testify that he would get rid of people like that? Well Shill-kin? When can we expect your resignation? After all it was YOUR policy that murdered this poor veteran.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – You’re asking Skull Skin to admit to a wrong doing. Only way for this to happen is if Skull Skin is recorded or via emails. His phones should be tapped.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I’ll be searching for some supplements. Hopefully I’ll get a notification from Outlook. I’ll check back on the blog in a couple of minutes.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I am still having trouble, I am on the max dose of meds for reflux, I use a 1/2 tsp of baking soda in about a cup of water to control breakthough pain.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Do you have a burning feeling below you throat, in your esophagus?

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: It is a terrible thing another veteran is going to die a horrible death due to the va’s incompetence. What is even more horrible is that not a single person will be held accountable.

How are you tonight?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I know, that’s the VA for you, no solid accountability. I hope Cooper gets his the money. Its only a token. He deserves more.

cj, I’m getting tired of no consistency, only that the VA can change their minds all the time. Its tiring. I’m still unsatisfied with everything.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I don’t blame you, I mean come on…………how many people in this entire world can say, they had to expain how many hours are in a day and how many pills that would mean a script should be made out for to their doctor? Not many, that I can tell you for sure.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Actually it feels like I am having a heart attack, and also sometimes after I eat, I swear if feel like the food fell from a 20 story building and hit the bottom of my stomach. I know there is something wrong, but I can’t force a doctor to do their job. I am in the process of finding another gi doctor.

cj
cj

When I say it feel like it hit the bottom of my stomach, I mean it is extremely painfull, like I was gut punched.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Any bleeding?

Ex va
Ex va

@ cj, you feeling that bad now? You think it could be an ulcer? Saw my pcp yesterday in private sector she said i was the sickest person she saw all day my flu turned bad now on high antibiotics, prednisone, and cough syrup. Been too sick lately. Tired of it. Sounds like you are getting tired of it too. You need to get some help buddy, get a referral and testing.

cj
cj

@Ex va: This isn’t new, it’s been going on for a long time, I usually get scoped once a year, Have had a bravo unit inserted. They just can’t figure it out yet. The first scope they ever did, was at the va, I woke up durring it and heard one of the interns say “Oh my God, is that a tumor” then I reached out and grabbed a nurses leg and out I went, They told my I had stomach varicies, Then the next scope they were gone. Every doctor, even my cardiologist says, that’s impossible, stomach varicies just don’t disapear or go away. So, I have no clue what they saw,or what it was,or what’s going on inside.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – They were probably scoping someone else and got the both of you mixed up. I just had a brainstorm. If I have to have any procedure done and it requires me to be put out, I would like my wife to be there in the room. I know, I know, I’m asking for too much. Excuse me for thinking on how to protect myself from these unaccountable reprobate dingbats. I’m going off at 1:30am. Too tired. Very long day today. Up early, PT, consult with PCP.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I hear ya, You sleep well, and as always, God Bless you and your family. Will talk soon. Goodnight.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj, @Ex va – Ok, you both have a good night. My head is bobbing over top the keyboard. Good night, and God bless you both and your families. Ex va, keep an eye on your condition. Both of you have been dealing with your med issues for quite a long time. I’m very concerned about the both of you. Don’t fool with these conditions. Good night.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: No bleeding. I am thinking either the meds are eating away at my insides or there is something growing that souldn’t be there.

Ex va
Ex va

@ cj, sorry your feeling so bad. You need to get looked at. I hate going to doctor appointments, mine wondered why i waited so long. Don’t wait too long cj.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Sounds very unusual with what is happening with your stomach. Try not to wait long in getting this checked out ok? I don’t like what I’m hearing. At least, there is no blood in your system, that’s a good sign. I’m concerned due to the way that you describe what is going on. Were you able to use any of the links that I sent to you? I’ve been up since 5am and I have finga slippage.