New $1.7 Billion Aurora VA Hospital Will Serve Less Veterans Than Old Hospital

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Leadership at the Department of Veteran Affairs just admitted its new over budget hospital at Aurora, Colorado will serve less veterans.

During a House Committee on Veterans Affairs hearing, agency officials admitted the $1 billion over budget facility will have twice the square footage as the old facility it is replacing but also magically have:

  • fewer primary examination rooms,
  • fewer surgical beds,
  • fewer psychiatric beds,
  • no post-traumatic stress disorder exam facility, and
  • fewer Patient Aligned Care Teams, who are medical professionals charged with assisting vets.

The top contracting official responsible for the project provided answers to the agency about what was going on after recently being promoted despite completely mismanaging the project.

“I am just amazed at the lack of professionalism,” Coffman told VA officials, including Stella Fiotes.

“It’s an affront to the taxpayers of the United States,” suggesting the VA secretary should “clean house.”

Officials promise the project – – a project that is really a complete fraud – – will never be replicated again and that they share the concerns of Congress.

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So, if they share the concerns of Congress, why have they done nothing to really resolve the problem?

Compounding matters, the existing Denver VA hospital will need to stay open for three to five years.

I think VA should pay me to think of all the ways it could reform itself and pay me $1 million per day to do it without requiring me to act on any of the ideas or to tell anyone what they are.

Deal?

Do you have a widget you’d like to sell VA for top dollar?

Source: http://kdvr.com/2018/01/17/new-aurora-va-hospital-wont-serve-as-many-as-old-hospital/

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53 Comments

  1. Not sure of what you Mean Hellen.

    Is your question “Can you believe everything that you read on here?”

    Or is your question “Can you believe everything that you read or hear?”

    In any case what is written by Ben can be relied on and can be believed and most of the posters on this site are disabled Veterans who are genuine about what they say.

  2. @Helen Jackson,
    You can better believe “…everything that you read [or] hear…” on Ben’s Blogs IS FACTUAL! Did you watch the attached video? What was your opinion?

  3. @Helen Jackson
    Of course I am capable of belief in things that I hear or read that I otherwise only have my heart to rely upon to tell me if my belief makes any sense in this crazy world I live in. Billions of humans live their entire lives Helen and in fact grow spiritually as a result of beliefs based on what they read and hear and have only their hearts to use as a compass of truth.

    The beliefs are only based on what they read and hear Helen but the beliefs themselves are not what forms the opinion and convinces the man at all. When the beliefs begin to stack up in way that guides the soul towards the light and then the truth somehting else happens Helen – the belief becomes a conviction.

    It is this conviction of mine that I firmly hold to that reveals to me not a single shred of doubt ANYWHERE in my soul of the power of the VA to corrupt all things, people, and values that it touches and that this extends its evil tendrils far and deep into every single community and veteran in this greatest of nations on Earth. Everyone is touched.

    I believe many things Hellen that you likely do not and I hold a deeply rooted conviction that VA destroys far more than can ever be made right again. I believe in America Helen but my conviction in this belief goes as far back as second grade when my heart swelled three times bigger the first time I said the Pledge of Allegience all the way through without just mouthing the words. I guess I found my compass that day.

    Tell me Helen – where do you keep your own compass?

  4. Look, who cares about whether or not this new facility has one bed, one shower and a leaking toilet…

    What counts here is that the contractor has been paid and that’s important – because I mean, do we expect the contractor to not get big bucks for delivering less than 1/2 of what our taxpayers have been billed for?

    Priorities….

  5. Would not this entire mess be considered crimes under ‘War Profiteering’? Or can we blame this on the entire contracting team being stoned 24/7? Both?

    Now you have to add the cost of keeping the possibly soon-to-be-old Denver VA continually open for at least next 3-5 years and *mark my words* they will eventually decide to keep BOTH open because the capacity issues and…it will create even more AFGE dues-paying minions to fill the Aurora VA.

    This will be a money pit for a longtime to come. Wait for it…

    I think the most simple answer may be correct in that this is simply Uncle Sam’s $eptic Laundering $ystem ($L$) and we Vets are clogging the rat’s pipes.

    • I think a realistic measure would be how much Choice referrals might drop or increase in 5 years if the Choice program still exists then.

      It might be an indicator of how well this new hospital and staff are actually functioning.

      Or not.

      • 1) New Aurora VAMC will refer Vets to Choice.
        2) Choice will send them across the way to the old Denver VAMC
        3) And the double-dipping-Billing begins

        4) Does the Aurora VA parking lot have a designated Veteran spontaneous combustion zone or will that be another $2.1 Billion?

      • That zone will be right next to the solar electric car charging stations with the panels mounted flat so snow covers them.

      • namnibor,
        then after they are placed into choice program, not pay the bills for the treatments of those veterans. How do you say I know this, It happened to me.

  6. all the newly build VA hospital are somebodies Monument. Not only is somebody getting rich from the building but as the article indicates, fewer people are being served. Unable to find qualified employees, the places are being staffed by incompetent fools. The professional people such as the MD’s, dentist’s and the likes are OK but the social services are a joke.
    Nothing like having a 26 year old talk to a Viet Nam vet about his PTSD

  7. I told you yesterday during a major bout of some of my VA problem list problems, MDD and PTSD, that I would get stoned and meditate. I did. Let’s see if Dennis can make a Dennis style post now without snivelling that the world gets harsh sometimes…. This will test the effecacy of gettting stoned and praying;

    I grew up in a part of Oregon that thought Polish jokes represented utter stupidity in men and because I grew up with it then it sort of imparted itself into me. I think all men are equally capable of great stupidity of course and I have proven that on a personal level. As a matter of fact many of my own lifes experiments have proven valuable sources of personally observable data regarding stupidity…

    I noticed today the flags all lined up in the video title still shot. I apologize in advance to the vets whose flag I mistook at first for the flag proudly displayed as the first flag on the right from Old Glory as the proud VA banner! I apologize to my brother Polish veterans for the unfair jokes I was raised with but by God I think I like your flags name for the VA better than theirs because frankly I thought, “Boy howdy does that ever fit!”

    It just seems that way in with my world view of VA. Do I get flagged for a comment like that?

    P.S. I wonder how many people it will take to screw in a light bulb in the new hospital?

    • Answer; none, there’s no electrical light sockets. VA personnel now using head lamps bought from company called, Head, Inc.. Take it the way that you want too. Don’t give a squat, way too much going on to tally, and then compute. Send me the Delta 9 THC, don’t bogart, I want to see the changing colors of the sparkling facets dispersing the tones, and shades of said colors. Plus, the main reason why participating in such untroubled liquid phase material. Reason; may help to better understand the actions, behaviors, and just who the VA is. But, most likely NOT.

  8. This is an open letter to Dr. Shulkin regarding Aurora VA hospital now open.

    In a departure from my normal ethical standards in which I abhore animal testing, sir I must say that just like before we put Americas heros, the astronauts into harms way I believe in this case in animal testing before we send vets into the spaces in the Aurora Expanse.

    Sir, please let POTUS know that you have my support to outfit a chimpanzee as a sick American veteran and run this creature through the Aurora Expanse first to simulate the effects on a primate prior to putting human life at risk in our discovery of this new and dangerous unknown. Sir, let’s fly a chimp through the spaces in the new VA hospital and study the impact BEFORE we send in the humans. Vets deserve no less testing of the government thing built likely to kill the unwary than the astronauts did and maybe we could even add the chimps data into the million vet database if he survives?

    • No worries Dennis, there’s an entire troupe of dancing monkeys doing that beta-testing but there’s been a slight snag in the unprecedented interest of the dancing monkeys in the stakeholders waiting rooms where the VA spared no expense and took a page from Willy Wonka and installed lickable walls in which the extremely powerful psych meds will leech out onto the Veterans tongue at each and every visit…well, the dancing monkeys have camped-out and made those walls their nests…and the REAL reason for the unprecedented delays and expenses. (and size now of dancing monkeys).

      RAND predicts the extremely powerful psych meds should run-out on those walls by 2022 and furthermore RAND does not recommend RX leeching walls because we now have a bunch of giant blueberry sized dancing monkeys stuck in the Aurora VAMC.

  9. I can sell my prediction widget to the VA for the low, low price of just $49.99. Whispers…the licensing will be $259.00 per use, upgrades and maintenance will run into the millions and every accurate prediction will result in a fee of just $954,000. (Accuracy as measured by a drunken VA C&P examiner). Yes, its a high fee in the end, but the SAVINGS will be tremendous. SCIENCE!

    I predict this will be a money pit for many years as repairs are made from unforeseen problems (pre-widget planning) in the existing building. The real money will come from VA officials quietly convincing congress they will just have to build 3-5 more buildings to accommodate what they just could not foresee needing with their current building. After the funding is secured and the VA uses its PR firm to generate the VSO support needed for the building, they will go back to Congress for the money needed to buy the land the buildings will sit on that just recently came into the possession of a VA crony with political connections.

    Then there will be the request for money for shuttle buses to haul veterans from the old hospital to the new one and vice versa since those with PTSD will have to travel from the old hospital to see the shrink at the new hospital. After the appointment, the vet will travel back to the old hospital, then back to the new one a day later because the prescription written by the shrink is only available at the new hospital. Those vets that get on the wrong shuttle and end up in Ft. Collins will have to find their own way back.

    I also predict there will be hundreds of examples of massive waste on what VA officials deemed was a must-have priority in the new hospital, such as the 14 conference and meeting rooms, latte machines on every floor in each employee lounge and the employee gym (Veterans not allowed). In 5 years, they will find 9 of those rooms converted to storage to store all the crap they absolutely required to have, but never installed, like the 430 iPads planned for use by blind, one-armed vets.

    …for the veterans….

    …and shit.

    • But…can your Whisper Widget be utilized in congress critter stairmasters somehow? If so, I foresee massive increases in mutual funds at the congressional swamp gym where the critters bask under the light generated from burning money.

      • That was a planned upgrade using a sort of proprietary blue tooth module that is encrypted and auto deletes any communication within 5 seconds.

        Or the sound of crashing after some Senator gets his ass flung off the Stairmaster after 3 seconds of viewing his mutual fund performance.

  10. And the same old crap just keeps getting better and better and better and better and better and better and better ———-!!!!!!

    Any and ALL construction by VA is always “over-budget” and “beyond completion schedule”! Especially when [alleged] criminal elements are involved in it!
    Of course, when anyone is caught screwing vets and taxpayers, be assured they will be promoted to a higher level! (Very RARELY prosecuted!)

    And let’s not forget about the incompetent healthcare and abysmal adjudication of claims by VA.

    Then there’s the issue of the [NON]Choice Program. Where even IF you get to use it, be careful because the “bill” may NOT get paid. Leaving the vet with having to pay! OR, losing his credit rating!

    The “Dept. of Homeland Security” plans to arrest political figures if they continue to harbor illegal immigrants involved in criminal activities!
    “ICE” agents in California are going to be arresting those complicit in harboring illegal immigrants involved in criminal activities!

    I read an article on “military dot com” this morning. Where our service members are basically telling Congress, both sides of the aisles; “Stop the bullshit over passing a budget!”

    President Trump’s “11 Fake News Awards” came out last night. The ones involved in spreading lies are having fits of crying, just like spoiled little bitches.

    “Mad Dog Mattis” had some harsh words for Congress, mainly the dems, over the budget and their not wanting to supply our military with nessasary monies, equipment and manpower! Basically telling the truth about how our military was decimated during the last administration!

    And as the “list” continues to grow, day by day, month by month and year by year, It’s just keeps getting better and better and better and better and better ——
    See, there’s more than enough evidence to show everyone just how corrupt our government and its agencies have become!

  11. Hang Stella and Cox together with shitty Shulkin and a few others and then see if there are any changes in policy. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH CLEAN HOUSE!

  12. It will be like the two facilities in West LA. The new hospital will become primary care. The old will be mental health with a PC clinic that sends inpatients to the new hospital. Probably was planned that way but no one had the good sense to write it up correctly. Expect a renovation of the old hospital on the re-opening of the new wing by wing.

  13. Different topic, folks, President Trump’s budget calls for cutting off tdiu for US veterans that are collecting Social Security.
    Right…makes sense. I should be penalized for making what I earn on Social Security but can’t earn money from a job.
    This President is no friend of the Veteran.
    First Shulkin, now this.
    Oh, the promotion of the idiot in charge of this hospital is well deserved. Emblematic of our VA.

    • Orange,
      Can you give the “source” of the “IU” being cut IF a vet is receiving Social Security?
      My last discussion with my Congressman and County VSO said it would NOT affect me OR many other vets!

    • P.S.
      The VA’s [Oct. 2017 through Oct. 2018], $186.7 billion, includes the IU benefits to veterans unable to work due to disabilities incurred while in service!
      Google it!
      Again, can you give the source that states what you’ve written?

      • I found it here on Ben’s Blog: Individual Unemployability Cuts On The Way? Team Trump Quietly Rolls Out Obama Admin Initiated…
        DISABILITY COMPENSATION December 11, 2017 76
        VA Secretary David Shulkin, MD, is enacting rule changes that could impact Individual Unemployability claims for veterans who are severely disabled and unable to hold traditional…

      • Quantity Loi,
        You might want to read the article again. It’s actually ‘talking about’ the vets who have pending claims and for those who are newer vets. The ones coming back from the current wars!
        As I’ve said, the VA has already been allocated their monies for fiscal year Oct. 2017 to Oct. 2018.

        I don’t think we’re going to have to worry just YET!

      • I have pending claims. One for TDIU, another, waiting on a C&P for Periferal Neuropathy. (T2, Agent Orange).
        I may be screwed. ..Can’t work.

      • Orange,
        How long ago did you put your claim in?
        Has anyone put the word; “unemployable”, into your medical file [“progress report”]?
        Has a neurologist confirmed a “diagnosis” of “periferal neuropathy caused by Agent Orange?” Are those ‘words’ or ‘phrases’ in your progress reports?
        Are those ‘reports’ in your claim?

        I have a sneaky suspicion, claim processing is going to be very slow in the coming months and years!

    • I thought this was all settled. If this is true, it will be like Deja Vu. They screwed us over when we came back from Nam and now screwing us over one last time before we expire from Agent Orange related diseases. Please say it isn’t so Ben.

  14. it has already served its purpose, to enrich certain people… and at 22+ veterans committing suicide daily, killed by bad doctors, beat to death by nurses aides, etc, and as only 20% of veterans use VHA because they can’t afford better health care like sen mccain… there’s really not that much of a demand for a new hospital. Glad I trust in God… Privatize VHA…u listening speedy?

  15. It is high time for some real leadership at the VA. Leadership that speaks truth publicly about how bad things have really gotten. Leadership that develops solutions to take better care of ALL our nations warriors.

    Leadership that recognizes that when they are doing a good job – – – it will be veterans singing their praises, rather than the VA needing a PR Agency to put out “Fluff Pieces” to mislead America and her citizen’s about what a stellar they are doing.

    They are not. In fact, they are doing a pyss-poor job. The VA has a first-world budget which they use to provide veterans less than third-world medical care, while their incompetent managers and workers get fat off money that should be going to disabled veterans.

    Current VA leadership has their Brain Housing Group the size of mice and their Hearts no bigger. It is about FIFTEEN YEARS PAST TIME TO FIX THE GODDAMN BROKEN VA:

    1. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.

    2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.

    3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans.

    4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.

    5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans.

    6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Going to practice in Hawaii? You need to be LICENSED in Hawaii. Same applies to all other states.

    7. Any claim a veteran submits to the VBA that requires more than 90 days to adjudicate, is automatically found to be in favor of the veteran. If a VBA claim filed by a veteran is found to be a false one designed to scam the system, the VA will have to prove in civil court that a false claim was intentionally submitted.

    8. All veterans will be allowed to seek/retain the services of a Veterans Rights Attorney from their first initial contact with the VA.

    9. No AFGE, nor any other Labor Union business will be allowed to take place in any Federal Workplace. Conducting Union Business during working hours will be STRICTLY PROHIBITED, and will be STRICTLY ENFORCED. Should any government employee be found violating this provision, it will result in IMMEDIATE LIFETIME DISMISSAL FROM ANY/ALL GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYMENT.

    10. Attorneys for appeal will be retained at the former employee’s PERSONAL expense. U. S. Taxpayer’s will not be subject to payment of legal bills for incompetent or dishonest personnel with regards to Governmental Employment.

    You have my contact information Mr. President. Call me anytime. I have a lot of ideas to help this nation improve the services provided to my fellow veterans. The ones that were promised, but have yet to be delivered upon. Veterans have been waiting for over fifty years for the fulfillment of those promises. I will not hesitate to speak up at all.

    For my fellow veterans who have been ill-served by this DERAILED CLUSTERFUCK of a GOD AWFUL TRAIN WRECK CALLED THE VA over the years:

    Our battles overseas were far less stressful than our war here at home. Never Cruel or cowardly. Never Give Up. Never Give In. We are on the Righteous path.

    POTUS Reagan broke up PATCO in the ’80’s. Time for POTUS Trump to break up the AFGE. The vast majority of our current Congress Critters do NOT have Veterans Interests at heart. Perhaps their replacements will. VOTE OUT all these WORTHLESS BASTARDS.

    Give their replacement’s one term to take care of Veterans who put aside their own personal lives to answer this nation’s call when she needed them. Many of those Veterans suffer the remainder of their lives for doing what most of their countrymen had not the courage to do.

    If they cannot MUSTER THE STONES to do it properly – – – vote their worthless asses out as well. Party should NOT MATTER. What SHOULD MATTER is their VOTING RECORDS ON VETERANS ISSUES.

    Rhetoric is cheap. Congressional Voting Records speak louder than words.

    NO Combat Veteran should be surprised when the next McVeigh, Congressional Baseball Team, or Las Vegas Sniper Incident occurs. Bound to happen. Just a matter of time . . .

    We have now reached the next accelerative phase of our country falling apart. Country before Party. Principles before Personalities. Always.

    Want to REALLY fix the VA? The next SecVA needs to be a former Enlisted Man brought in from the general veteran population with a few serious axes to grind against the VA and the AFGE, with zero previous governmental civilian service.
    Apparently, Former Flag Officers and SES appointed Civilians can’t cut the
    mustard . . .

    Maybe a SINCERELY MOTIVATED Gunnery Sergeant or Chief Petty Officer CAN.

    Disgruntled Veteran
    1973 – 1976 USMC
    1978 – 1993 USN
    Wounded Warrior
    Honolulu, Hawaii

  16. VA Facility Where Vet Got Prosecuted for Posting U.S. Flags Duped out of Millions by Bribed Official
    Judicial Watch
    JANUARY 18, 2018

    “An official at the same Los Angeles Veterans Administration facility where an Army vet got prosecuted for posting American Flags took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes from a vendor that defrauded the VA out of millions. While the feds went on a witch hunt against the 75-year-old vet for affixing Old Glory at a site honoring those who served their country, the VA director was committing the real crime. This month the corrupt VA official, Ralph Tillman, agreed to plead guilty to two felony offenses for taking over a quarter of a million dollars in bribes from a parking lot operator at the VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System in southern California.

    The crooked parking lot operator, Richard Scott, owns a company called Westside Services that has long benefitted from a lucrative contract with the VA. Scott paid Tillman to conceal a scheme in which he failed to pay the VA more than $11 million generated by his operation of the parking facilities, according to the feds. Tillman admitted to federal authorities that he knew the parking lot operator was defrauding the VA out of millions of dollars and that he extended Westside Services’ contract in 2011 to continue the fraud and bribery scheme. Scott personally delivered monthly cash payments to Tillman in sealed FedEx envelopes, according to a statement issued by the Department of Justice (DOJ) that says “Tillman specifically admitted that he took $286,250 from Scott from 2003 through last year.” The disgraced VA official faces up to eight years in prison.

    For nearly a decade a group called the Old Veterans Guard has filed complaints against rampant corruption at the Los Angeles VA, specifically naming Tillman for abusing and misappropriating VA property. The 338-acre parcel in West Los Angeles, which includes the National Veterans Park and Veterans Home, was deeded to the federal government in 1888 for the specific purpose of caring for disabled veterans. Instead, the property is also used for many unrelated causes. Among them is a stadium for the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) baseball team, an athletic complex for a nearby private high school, laundry facilities for a local hotel, storage and maintenance of production sets for 20th Century Fox Television, the Brentwood Theatre, soccer practice and match fields for a private girls’ soccer club, a dog park, and a farmer’s market.

    Members of the Old Veterans Guard say federal authorities retaliated against them for denouncing the fraudulent use of the facility—including Tillman’s scam—by sending VA police to harass and intimidate them at weekly rallies.”

    Full Report by Judicial Watch At:

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/01/va-facility-vet-got-prosecuted-posting-u-s-flags-duped-millions-bribed-official/
    ______________________

    Another Example of Judicial Watches Excellent work.

    Video: Tom Fitton on Haiti, Clinton Foundation Allegations
    JANUARY 13, 2018
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  17. “Clarksburg V.A. looking for ‘root cause’ of equipment issues”
    By Mike Valente
    WDTV 5 West Virginia TV
    Jan 18, 2018

    “HARRISON COUNTY, W.Va (WDTV) – Dr. Glenn Snider, the director of the Louis A. Johnson V.A. Medical Center in Clarksburg, said it’s still unclear why water spots appeared on equipment late last year.

    The conversation with 5 News came one day after Senator Joe Manchin brought the issue to the attention of V.A. Secretary Dr. David Shulkin on Capitol Hill.

    “On December 20th, a high-risk Veteran contacted my office after his bypass surgery was cancelled while he was laying on the operating table at our Clarksburg VA,” said Senator Manchin. “The reason being that spots were found on tools processed by the hospital’s autoclave. We’ve been told that they’ve estimated that it will be at least 10 weeks before a Temporary Sterilization Unit will be operational and it will also take a whopping 16 to 18 months to replace the one that is deficient. This is egregious and we need your help.”

    Dr. Snider said the autoclave, which sterilizes equipment, was inspected by an outside firm and was found to be working properly.

    “However, we’re not processing steam-sterilized instruments, because we have not yet found the problem with the water spotting that was found on some instruments,” Dr. Snider explained.

    The autoclave is used to sterilize equipment necessary for certain surgeries, like orthopedic or vascular procedures. According to Dr. Snider, about 130 patients have been impacted by this situation.

    He said that they have been transferred to Pittsburgh or local community hospitals, at the expense of the V.A.

    Full Article at: http://www.wdtv.com/content/news/Clarksburg-VA-looking-for-root-cause-of-equipment-issues-469989813.html

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  18. Off topic. I am not making excuses for Trump and the VA still being a Shithole, but having the DOJ and Intel agencies weaponized for a “Russia collusion” investigation has tied up the country for over a year.

    Its about to hit the fan.

    “https://saraacarter.com/2018/01/18/a-bombshell-house-intelligence-report-exposing-extensive-fisa-abuse-could-lead-to-the-removal-of-senior-government-officials/”

    Get it over with, and maybe we can eventually get to the VA.

    • @91Veteran – – – Damn good read. Although concerned about the fear of no one wanting to release their name, and what the problems of why the findings may not be released to the public. Our fantastic libturdytards side of Gubmint in action. I wish that HRC, Clinton Foundation, and DNC would be completely investigated for ANY wrong doings that may be found. Same powers as Mueller has in doing his investigation. Finding ANYTHING is OPEN GAME. – – – Nutter.

  19. Lolz, chekc out this latest attempt by VA to cover their tracks now that OIG and VA hotline are involved in VA Roseburg. I LOVE the online self scheduling app because they cannot simply fail to put it into my record like they have done for years now. Hehe, I told you this tech would tend to hobble illegal behaviour. They cannot prevent me from schedling which then forces them to cancel. So here is what they are now attempting to cover their tracks;

    “Status: Cancelled
    Updated: 01/18/2018 11:07
    Based upon your request during a telephone call, this appointment has been cancelled.

    Request Details

    Submitted: 01/11/2018 @ 11:22 Facility: ROSEBURG VA MEDICAL CENTER
    Type of Care: Primary Care Preferred Type of Visit: Office Visit
    Purpose of Visit: Medication Concern”

    Hehe, Roseburg VA now thatbthey are under scrutiny are now claiming I am calling them and cancelling my appointments. All I ask for is a medication review so I can get the fairly inexpensive pills. Now that OIG is investigating and now that they are digging in deeper, how much do you think each pill is gonna cost? My few hundred dollars of prescriptions per month (at most),is now involving a minimum of four agencies and now a minimum of the entire senior staff at Roseburg just to lock me out. It might work and I might be locked out permanently as a 100% sc vet like Roseburg says they can do but I doubt it.

    So maybe the answer to Aurora is also contained in how Roseburg is behaving. One simple medicatin review takes about thirty minutes and normally is only needed every year or so with me. Now we have multiple agencies, multiple folks entering fabricated data to cover their asses. Added up together with wages and countless hours they will spend trying to shut me out (the Circuit Court judge said I was the most persistent man he ever met) and my money says they will try to hurt me but they will fail and I will obtain services.

    Now imagine this sort of thing done at every stage of tha Aurora project. Any and every tiny manager can throw multiple wrenches into nearly every aspect of every project and then they hide in the crowd like zebras with the excuse, “just following orders”. VA becomes hideously expensive because to fill just one prescription for just one man is involving a multitutde of officials. We cringe at Aurora costs but just think this through – Aurora really is just a smokescreen and is but a blip when you factor in the thousands of vets just like me that should only cost a few man hours and now will cost hundreds of man hours and each pill instead of a few bucks will cost a few hundred at least.

    This is absolute insanity.

    • Dennis, to mess with them, you should send them a secure message asking for the date and time you called to cancel that appointment, and the phone number it came from.

      Tell them in your message you had printed out your phone records in preparation for the IG investigation, and you see no record of making a call to Roseburg.

      As for bureaucrats and the cost of your pills…they will never see it the way you do. If they considered that true cost, they would have to consider the true costs of every other bureaucratic action they take throughout the agency on a daily basis.

      Look at it this way. If they can pay a VA doctor over $250,000 per year and that doctor works full time as an AFGE thug, the cost of your pills is a drop in the bucket. And your pills are directly related to what their mission is supposed to be.

      • They have long ago terminated my access to secure messaging. It appears tonight as if they succeeded in terminating access to self scheduling app as well lolz. My purpose is not to fuck with them. My purpose is to get an appointment and they will employ many tactics to stop me apparently. Frankly these people are dangerous because if they ARE forced to do what law forces them to do then without ANY heaistation they will visit accusations and harm upon me.

        There will be nobody who will help me in this and I know it. I am under no illusions. VA has snuffed their enemies for 80 years and I will be no different. There is a good reason so many vets who depend on VA end up dead.

      • Dennis, I was thinking out of the ashes of this mess, you would make a deal to be assigned a VA contact after your secure messaging is restored so you can contact them for whatever referrals to Choice that you need.

        Make it very clear you fear for your life if seen at the VA ever again.

      • update!

        This is what now appears as of 8 pm today when I attempt to long on and ask for an appointment: Copy and paste from my health record:

        “Veterans Health Administration Enrollment
        Currently we cannot find a record of your enrollment in the Veterans Health Administration.

        To use this app, you need:

        To be actively enrolled in VA Healthcare
        To have been seen for medical care at a VA Medical Center (VAMC) or Community Based Clinic (CBOC)
        Additionally, for some types of care, your selected facility may have additional rules for using this app to book an appointment.

        If you have not enrolled, want to learn more, or would like to begin the enrollment process go to the Apply for VA Health Benefits webpage.

        If you are enrolled please contact 1-877-222-VETS Monday through Friday between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. ET and a representative will provide assistance. You may also contact your local VA health care facility.

        To find a facility near you, visit the VA Facility Locator.”

        I am now officially unenrolled from VA healthcare. I told you they were pulling out the plugs.

      • Dennis, I wonder if this is the only way they can remove the evidence of their previous responses to you.

        Again, hopefully you have screen shots or printouts.

        How the hell could you go from requesting an appointment, being referred to Choice, getting a nasty response to being completely disenrolled in such a short time.

        Roseburg is staffed with incredibly stupid fucks.

      • If it weren’t for the strict Torte laws, therefore making it easier to be able to find an excellent attorney (hmm), seems to me you’d have a purdee good case against VA for not seeing you, and diffately for Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress [IIED]. IMO, from what you’ve already shared.

        VA, stop the abuse of our freedoms and rights, therefore putting us Vets in the box or classification of being “Second Class Citizens.” Your not fooling us, so don’t be fooled about not receiving any payback. We could call it, . . .

        Pure Delta 9- Sparkling Faceted Shivering Payback
        Once Implemented, No Recall, Until Mission Completed

      • I’ve already informed VA, that if they send anyone to my residence, that due to the way of being treated, that I’m in fear of my life, and if they come, I’ll take that as an all out threat. Let them deal with it.

      • Dennis – may- be lucky he lives where he does. I’d imagine things would be much worse for him here in tight-knit corrupt Indiana with all being on board the retaliation/retribution games from everything or everybody concerned or connected to some cabal, union, the unknown secretive connections, health care worker loyalties, all media, VSOs, the sorority/fraternity groupies, or mafia here. It can turn out to be one huge cluster F…, and a totally all encompassing cacophony of hate, threats, harassment, being totally ignored, etc., coming your way.

        FOIAs or registered mail with return notices does not function here or is accepted. By the VA, state or local governing tyrants.

        Secure messaging: Like written before, is not that ‘secure’ and the IT people and others can delete everything on your site, info in saved folders, at their pleasure. And nothing can, or will, be done about it. They can toy with you, play games, then zippity do da…it’s all gone.

        Same thing will be done in civilian care with paper files that are difficult to get, or once received after months of arguing, will not be the same paper work or files read and seen in some office. PAs, medical boards, Washington DC, local poly-ticks, media, will turn out to be your enemy. Plus the special interest activist, or narcissist who think they are above the laws, or above being questioned all included. It’s a freaking mad house out there, or here.

        All things considered, the abuse, lies, cover-ups, and concerns for my life and health is why I finally left the VA, never to return, never. If you can’t trust people over simple communications, info being gained, people that are supposed to help are doing the opposite to protect ‘their own’ or team mates, it is over.

        Not so much “fear” but just real concern. Kicking things up to the fight or flight levels, especially on their turf. If there ever was or is conspiratorial fact this crap is it. “Reality is stranger than fiction.” The total loss of faith, or hope, or trust in that system, period. Then to discover more cover-ups for the VA in civilian care, media crap, to medical boards, etc., and some of the very same crap going on…is again… beyond belief, but a reality with all things being considered.

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