The VA released a more comprehensive look at veteran suicides last week, as a follow-up to its 2015 National Suicide Data Report (which was released this June 18th). The new suicide data includes a breakdown of the numbers in all 50 states, D.C. and Puerto Rico.

The new state-level data also includes specs on veteran age, gender, and method of suicide, which may be some of the first American public health and safety data in years to include a frank analysis of firearms casualties.

Differences in suicide rates by state are not well-understood, and they cannot be explained by only one factor. That being said, stricter firearms policies do appear to have some correlation with lower suicide numbers.

Armed with this information, VA is attempting to put better support networks in place for veterans who may be struggling. The SAVE campaign is specific to veterans, and they are rolling out what is called a “National Strategy for Preventing Veteran Suicide.”

So, I clicked on the link and checked out their so-called “grand plan.”

It offers a reasonable amount of typical resources. A helpline, a list of warning signs. They have an online chat. And if those things work for some of us, that is better than nothing.

But it is not really a plan. In fact, it seems like VA is still continuing to spend millions on fancy websites to combat problems that can only be addressed with a human touch. Spending lots on algorithms without bothering to substantively increase the roles for therapists.

It still puts the onus on veterans, or maybe on their loved ones, to spot the warning signs and seek help. Which, granted, is more than people used to do about suicide risk. But preventing suicide takes more than that.

Our mental health is part of our overall health. So why is mental healthcare not part of our overall healthcare?

I have heard people say, when asked about therapy, “Therapists are not real doctors.”

Maybe we would be better off seeing mental health as a specialized part of staying healthy – like taking care of our vision, or our teeth.

Dentists and optometrists solve real health problems, and hopefully, we are able to go to them every year. We do not dismiss them as know-nothings just because a family doctor does not look at those types of problems. While they are different, they are also quite important to overall health.

The funny thing about mental healthcare is, we need it more than ever. Our society is so big; there are so many of us. It is easy to think, “I am lost in this mix. I have not been heard. I am not special and I d not fit anywhere.”

Where are our “well visits” and yearly checkups for THAT?!

It is not crazy to feel like the world is out to get you, when feeling that way used to be part of your job. Used to be what kept you alive, what kept the people around you alive.

It is not crazy to feel like a civilian cannot understand what active duty was like… or even that your buddies in your unit cannot understand what it was like for you. Everyone goes through challenges differently.

We all want to prove that we can continue business as usual when life turns into a SNAFU. That is the mark of a great soldier. The can-do attitude against all odds, the inner strength.

But sometimes that same stubborn pride that got us through a tour of duty, might be what triggers us back home. Peacetime coping is different, lonely.

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T

Been down due to too much “movement therapy.” Now typing or holding a phone up to my ear is a bitch among other things. Like finding a helpful local MD without the hassles, pain meds or cramp meds is near impossible locally now.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. WE are dealing with some seriously mentally ill folks out there, those with serious character flaws, and those who have zero business in any health care field let alone those freaks who have total control over our lives, like with all the activist … plus the news or so-called reports. They all seem to cover up for each other, pass the buck, give excuses, to throwing more money at problems which money will never cure or help change things, ie the greed or attitudes.

Like I am going to hire thieves, the corrupt, incompetent, un-professionals, players, actors, and crooks to work for me while knowing the jobs aren’t done, doing more harm than good, the corruption worsens and the sick minded continue on, the lazy and incompetent would hire the same in sub contractors or college kiddies with issues, while I would suffer and excuse it all while throwing more money at them hoping they’d change, see some reality, acknowledge the harm they do, or do better? (!)

MSM, governments, VA, health care institution’s, mental health care joker’s studies, reports, etc., don’t mean shit and will never be reality based or capable of being factual or all encompassing.

Other facts to consider too. Colleges and profiteering requiring more money and higher degrees to play counselor or some kind of PHD or more. They don’t care what kind of person gets the degrees or plays doctor they just want the money and prestige. Too many are hired as “professionals” and can’t keep their own home life or life in order let alone trying to tell others how to live or function when all they know is from their book ‘learn n’. Period. In the many years of volunteer works I have met and known people from child psychiatrist, counselors, DoPs, MDs, etc., that I would not trust my dogs with while on vacation or a weekend away.

Met a guy a few days ago stateed the VA is doing nothing for him after major spine surgeries, no pain meds, parkinson’s, and something else. Said he will continue on minus VA care until he dies suffering. He is fed up. Guess that won’t be included in the suicide studies like many others like planned accidents either. Like dealing with the VA and their networks of retaliation to keep health care out of the hands of us who need it. We suffer and die but that won’t be on any reports either.

I have also seen and known far too many “professionals” or staff leave the VA to work or teach in local colleges ripe with social engineering the kiddies and teaching … shit.. and disinformation or the facts as they all think are, but actually the opposite is true. They also give us the kind of lying journalist we have today too. Ya know the kind that refuse to report on stories like mine or the facts of life. No they have to report the fluff and feel good news, to ‘make the news’ and play more like actors than true journalist. And they refuse to report on veteran suicides to this day or the many other wrongs in my state. So where is all that honor, integrity, oath keeping, deep concern, “professionalism,” and such at? Gone. We won’t fit in with the likes of those unless we remain door-mats, allow corruption to continue. Complain even though some are killing us off or attacking intentionally, causing suicides and many harms. The need is more money??? More fake studies and reports over the many years? ARms and body are ruined again now for an unknown amounth of days.

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

The VA hamster wheel.

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We can leave all reference to any gun control off the damn table, if more gun laws worked, then criminals wouldn’t have guns now would they? If I wanted to off myself, the lack of being able to get my hands on a gun sure the fuck wouldn’t stop me, now would it?

Not all shrinks are quacks, but the VA, sure has a propensity for collecting ganders, and flocks, the absolute bottom of the barrel, the dregs if you will, is what the VA hires.

For mental health, private care is far superior, to anything VA.

P.S. Don’t like our constitution? Find another place to live then. The guns stay.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine

“https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-75/pdf/STATUTE-75-Pg631.pdf”
“https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-50-war-and-national-defense/50-usc-sect-1801.html”

T
T

Amazing OM how this country has slid down the rabbit hole. Has allowed ‘foreign powers’ to ruin this country and put us vets on those ‘domestic terrorist’ lists that still must be active.

AIPAC never has registered per laws as a foreign lobbyist group. Said to be the most wealthy and powerful lobbyist group in DC. cough cough. Nor their nation has ever signed the Nuke treaties that all other nations are forced to sign and get inspected.

T
T

“https://www.activistpost.com/2018/07/media-silent-as-us-agrees-to-full-implementation-of-united-nations-gun-control-pact.html?utm_source=Activist+Post+Subscribers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2ea9a31f2d-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_b0c7fb76bd-2ea9a31f2d-387865725”

I think we lost that Constitution a long time ago. Circa 1871 and beyond that. The U.S. became a corporation and we the serfs not citizens or citizens in a ‘ big C republic.’

“They” want us oppressed, in pain, without many things, un-armed, defensless, in a happy police state, 1984 living, socially engineered, brain-washed, in perpetual wars, heavily taxed, in debt, filled with lies and re-written history, having no representation, no voice, no media, and much more.

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I know what you mean, T, Oldmarine, sepp deitrich, and others, have posted plenty of links to the truth about this damn country. I am sick of all these fucking anti gunners, their solution to everything, including limp dick, is more gun control. Don’t like guns? to fucking bad, I don’t like jackasses either, yet here we are, deal with it snowflakes. I don’t mean you T.

Dennis
Dennis

I think I could get behind yet another VA plan to insert their mental health plans up veterans asses but only if it includes Mary Poppins, Yogi Bear, the Quaker Oatmeal man, and a free Chihuahua. I’m thinking that this time for sure they will get it right. We can task the VA national pharmacy network with Chihuahua delivery right alongside the other medications.

My hopes are high but then again I live in Oregon and so am I. Works for me, plus no Chihuahua trying to hump my foot.

namnibor
namnibor

RAND Corporation recommends each VAMC spend oodles of $$$ and procure contracts to build designated veteran burn areas. Sparing absolutely no expense, the burn pit will also have a VA Telemedicine Psych Burn Booth installed and at any time during a VA Telemedicine Psych Hack’s session the Veteran has the freewill “CHOICE” of pushing the ‘Ignite” button, which quickly dumps a highly efficient and flammable material while simultaneously filling entire booth with flames.

RAND wants Veterans to know this is the *ONLY* VA authorized and assisted means of death, any self-attempts at the above will result in revocation of benefits and furthermore, Veteran’s survivors will be held responsible for sanitizing the now soiled VA Telemedicine Psych Booth.

All for the Vets…

sepp deitrich
sepp deitrich

i went to a local small town va clinic to talk to the doctor. the nurse put me in an exam room (used to be the doctor’s office). the exam room had 2 huge telescreens and a huge camera lens looking at you while you wait. i had to leave. why do they want to film everyone? doctors used to be about helping people. their office had anatomy posters or whatnot. now we have 2 live jumbotrons with camera attached? is that supposed to help sick people get better? how?

ROSIE
ROSIE

Go-ogled Elf’s post about the Sweetwater veteran forced to sell his home over displaying our flag in a flower pot, and it led me to this blog “http://vietnamveteransite.com/”.
There are two informative articles, from yet another site, that are link listed within different day’s postings. I put the intended links below.

“What CDC does not know about veteran suicides
Veterans overrepresented in report, underrepresented in reporting
Combat PTSD
Kathie Costos
June 8, 2018
CNN had the report from the CDC on suicides in America and within the report, there was this,…
Wounded Times is where veterans are the news.
See Original Article ”
“http://www.combatptsdwoundedtimes.org/2018/06/what-cdc-does-not-know-about-veteran.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WoundedTimes+%28Wounded+Times%29”

“The unethical practice of reporters raising awareness
Morally Wrong Awareness
Combat PTSD Wounded Times
Kathie Costos
June 4, 2018
What is so hard about “raising awareness” of anything? Getting publicity without doing much else. It is almost as if…
Wounded Times is where veterans are the news.
See Original Article ”
“http://www.combatptsdwoundedtimes.org/2018/06/the-unethical-practice-of-reporters.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WoundedTimes+%28Wounded+Times%29”

ROSIE
ROSIE

T,
Bad choice of word I guess; I meant land.
No need to respond, just rest a while.

ROSIE
ROSIE

Hey T,
Good to hear from you again!
I do hope your post “mauling” instructions include some gentle movements to prevent the further agony from stiffness.
I read the link you provided and as is my nature, clicked on a few more in the right column. I must wonder if Dave included TH in the “Small Town News” segments!
A hidden bit in the original story piqued my curiousity on a puzzling issue (this is rhetorical), if maybe your plot is bookmarked for something in future.
Your last paragraph is so painful to read. I can’t watch the video so I’m lax on that point but it seems like the vets you mention would be the same one’s applauded on any parade route, etc.! In this day an age of so much blatant PC compiance being forced on everybody by so many, it seems there would be a solid human interest story in getting the perpitrators to explain their version of why behind the venomous spewfest.

T
T

I have been trying to post info and links to events and issues happening locally here on Ben’s site and on my Face Book page. Like this one announcing my city is a totally “progressive town.” They refuse to admit publically we are a sanctuary city and totally ruled by hard core lefties, socialist, Marxist, etc. Which is the reason why we are so heavily censored here.

I have been playing phone tag with Indiana Legal Services to see if I can see/find out who and why people keep calling and threatening me from Union hospital here and playing the same games the VA did. It’s that bad here that health care staff can harass patients and NOT release my medical files from them to be able to see another MD in town who requires them from the hospital. Yes, it is that bad here. Been months and the staff, many of them, refuse to get me my files. And state reps, senators, Congressman, etc., claim there is nothing I can do about any forms of harassment from them or over “Identity Politics” or Democrat thuggery. How’s that for some excusing, covering up, and protecting the criminal corrupt elements in my town and state?

I have gone to the cops, state officials, and phone company about the calls and threats of harm and the electric company about causing a catastrophic fire in my home. Nothing they can do about it. I have to be harmed first and then prove who did it and why, their “intent.” I bet if I called people up and harassed them or threatened to do physical harm my butt would be in jail fast. Not so for the corrupt and networks of evil that run this state.

It would be very polite and tame on veterans day parades here since the militants and Dems know there would be cameras for TV present and too many people out taking pics and videos at the same time. It’s when minutes of meetings are shut off, cameras turned off, when they have plenty of witnesses on their side to lie, is when their hatred and retaliation spews out. People think I am kidding about living in a open air styled prison camp sort of town, I am not. Totally supported and protected by many including media, state, the feds, and everyone I have contacted to investigate this town and state.

My arms and body keep giving out on me and causing pain and cramps I am going to have to get something like Dragon speech to text software so I can try to keep up and report things.

Have a good one.

T
T

Good find Rosie. Locally it’s all about “progressive issues” and taxing us for univeristy convention centers and little about housing or issues concerning vets.
About 1:12 the “progressive community” is focused on and to hell with the rest of us. Of course this video will be changed to be more appeasing for all.
“http://www.wthitv.com/content/news/ITS-OFFICIAL-Vigo-County-Council-approves-food-and-beverage-tax-in-unanimous-vote-487727051.html”

We can’t ask questions here. Plenty of ‘out reach’ groups and supposedly for vets but are blended in with others too. So who knows where the money actually goes. Vet out reach groups are turning more to first responders and others rather than vets only. Out of town “out reach’ groups claiming to be for vets refuse to help vets with more serious issues like dealing with the VA, censoring, or corruption. Some when they get the money turn it over to joints like Catholic Charities who claim to feed or help all… including vets. So that stuff is not for vets only. Besides that it is the CC that supports open borders, helping illegals cross over to here, sets out food and water for them, buses them into here locally to work then bus them home. So it’s not exactly helping vets only or being about the health of a community, just what they and the ‘progressives’ want or demand. Oh and as usual the top ten to twenty percent or more of all the fresh foods, meats, etc., go to Catholic churches, their colleges and for Nuns to use. Nice gig they have going for themselves while giving canned beans to homeless vets, or nothing at all.

What is really fun to watch is the well meaning vets standing out in bad weather getting donations and watching all the hate they get while doing so. Cussed at, middle finger salutes, college kiddies yelling crap like we hope all you vets die and etc. Show the caliber of people in a “progressive community’ that is corrupt to the core and full of idiots but play nice on TV.

junior2/5
junior2/5

I’ve thought about going to the wall in dc and bleeding out on it, but nobody would care and it’s just what the VA wants us to do. Plus it would be against my religious conviction. My relationship with Jesus Christ is the main impetus keeping me mentally healthy, but my VA therapist said we couldn’t talk about him. That’s the problem: leaving out the Great Physician.

junior2/5
junior2/5

What were the numbers, Ben?

Windguy
Windguy

My favorite VA suicide prevention element. You call in for an appointment – or anything, “If you are thinking about suicide…” Well shit, I wasn’t until you reminded me. OK – learn some patience dummy.

“If you are thinking about suicide or harming yourself, hang up…”. WTF? More lessons in patience.

“If you are thinking about suicide or harming yourself, hang up and dial 9-1-1…” Then why did I call the VA ya dimwit? Not doing well in the patience department

“If you are ……. or harming ….. hang up and dial 9-1-1 or dial our hot line … ” C’mon. Does the VA seriously think someone who is on the verge of suck-firing his favorite side arm is going to hang around for number prompting or dial 9-1-1 and let the neighbors watch them kick in your door?

How’s about, “If you are thinking of suicide or harming yourself, press 5 now and someone will be with you immediately..”

march hare
march hare

The way i see it, the vA wants vets to hang up first, that way no responsibility falls their way. Listening to the vA suicide message when calling the vA, is like a final slap to the face, from an irresponsible mental health care system that just wants to cover its own ass above all things. The numbers arn’t changing, and they will not change no matter how much money he vA throws at the problem. I can personally testify that the vA crisis line hung up on me (rerouted through the lebanon VAMC at the time), but my specialty care provides did call in the morning. The vA crisis line is worthless, may as well just call the cops and report yourself, and talking to the people on the other end of the crisis line can be likened to conversing with and 7th or 8th grader, and the rudest of people. Anyone thinking of calling the vA crisis line, dump that idea and call a civilian crisis line number instead, you’ll be better taken care of.

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Spot on Windguy.

Lem
Lem

Part of the problem. The bank lobbyist have shut down the former VA medical school scholarships that were paid back by service to the VA, Military and National Health Service. Now a Psychiatrist has 8 to 12 years of accumulating a debt that he won’t even be able to pay the interest on with his $150,000.00 income if he works for the VA or one of those other former service areas. Because of not enough psychiatrists required to the number of beds hundreds of beds are empty. And it is getting worse instead of better.

Can’t fix our health care system until we fix the student loan crisis.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

Part of the problem with the student loan crisis are the costs incurred with tuition. In today’s day and age there is simply no excuse why a doctor should be carrying 500k-1mil in debt to work on a body. Maybe back in the day when things where poorly understood such specialized knowledge would command the prices it did but today we have vast stores of knowledge that is accessible in seconds to anybody with a signal. I would argue that somebody who was interested in becoming a doctor could sit down and through texts and videos and forums fully home school the first 4 years of medical school. It makes no sense to me that the Deans of these schools command the enormous salaries that they do with the information that is so readily available to the modern era. Instead of erecting fancy buildings and slapping the names of wealthy donors on them. Perhaps we should, instead, offer more full ride scholarships to deserving doctors.

As an aside it seems the Government could do something useful here. Instead of offering outrageous amounts of money to guarantee a loan that has to be paid back, often at crippling financial burdens, why not instead offer schooling for free in exchange for years of service accepting medicare/medicaid/ER service. Let’s say you want to go to school to be a doctor and you do 8 years and graduate. Instead of carrying a crushing debt load you agree to do 8 years of what we’ll call trench work. At the end of those 8 years your debt is forgiven and your practice is your own. This could help ensure a steady stream of doctors for us “poors” and as doctors age out of the trench work phase it ensures a large community of knowledgeable and practiced doctors for the rest of the castes.

At least it sounds good to my stoned brain.

Brad
Brad

More gun laws are not the answer to Vets killing themselves. There isn’t a gun law that would stop me from killing myself. I own guns, my family owns guns, my friends own guns, gun ranges loan out guns. There are a 100 different ways to kill yourself. These feel good a$$holes who press for new gun laws, take away our pain meds and stall our appointments to see a VA doctor are to blame. Vets have no where to turn for help. There is not one single new tougher gun law that has prevented a Vet from killing him or herself. That is an absolute lie. If a Vet ever implies that then that Vet never was really going to kill himself. He/She could have used a knife, jumped off a bridge, over dose, etc.,

march hare
march hare

When are the people at dummy central going to realize that more gun laws are not the answer to veteran suicide, or any suicide. I can think of about 50 other ways right off the top of my head, that would be just as effective if not more effective. This society insults us, the vA insults us, the gov insults us, the media insults us, mental health care in this country for veterans is an insult.

Don Karg
Don Karg

07/09/2018

Dear Benjamin Krause,

The assumption is that these people care?

After all the evidence is in?

Only way you are going to get real Doctors to see real patients —is to get real with the situation.

Demand Congress be responsible for these conditions and have Congress take corrective action.

Sincerely,

Don Karg

VetJOe
VetJOe

i dont even care anymore, my life is insignificant compared to other veterans that feel the same way and will start committing acts of violence. i have thoughts of gathering together with some armed veterans that feel the same way about are situation .taking that 240bravo with 800 rounds of ammo and grouping up with veterans that lost there minds the same way i did . start pulling the trigger on any walking target they can find until the news flashes to congress ,’14 armed veterans commit a historical shooting from the government that oppresses them,255 dead’.

god damn i would love to see that day with a lot of lives lost no one wins and people start recognizing not to fuck around with veterans.am beyond upset and a hopeless shit bag… am done.am just a walking zombie compared to what the VA did to me .

am done trying to find help and am done talking to the people that think they can help me or the battle borne we speak of . i want civil war and i want it now to break the ice with the government .

. US government wants to corrupt me and my brothers , …ok a hunting we will go. it is as easy as that more people get killed. am done being a veteran would sacrifice all my benefits to get that day.the day for more killing and finally killing myself. greatest honor than living in this piece of shit country that just shits all over everyone.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine

T..I just hit that top link i posted and I get this.
Error Detected – The page you requested cannot be found.
They sure do want to keep everyone uninformed. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse, But your not allowed to see them, Figures coming from a corrupt government.
AIPAC runs this country…

T
T

OM I didn’t think it would be up very long. It disappeared on the other news channel’s site too. They say and report things then it goes away or is not put out for “public consumption.”

Just like they can report having some event for vets then turns out to be for a animal shelter, CASA, or some other charity instead.

They do the same thing with the protests. They’ll show the good looking people and parts or signs and ignore the more nasty side of things like the vagina hats, Antifa hoods, illegals, the variety of militants and what they plan to do with those who refuse to adopt their ways or group think.

That’s why it’s so difficult to fight the VA or any other kind of corruption in this state. Damn near all are complicit or benefit from the mafia like rule and corruption. If they allow one house of cards or a cog in the machinery it may cost them a entire network of corruption, two party corruption exposure, or mafia heads to roll.

sunvale
sunvale

something tells me that with the scare on opioid use disorder and the VA no longer prescribing the meds for pain that so many vets need, the rate of suicides will go up. I have been dealing with constant pain for the past 35-45 years. In my case acupuncture helps to a great degree but I still find it impossible to sleep 8 hours. A 70+ year old vet with pain is a candidate for suicide if I ever seen on. I have not met a single counselor at my local VA clinic worth the shit. They are there for a paycheck and that is all

TLC
TLC

Wow – Everybody is jacked-up today! I’m glad I had my coffee to help get through all of today’s comment section. With that being said, I have been educated today with a lot of information I was not aware of (thank you) and I agree with everyone’s experiences and perspective. Not that this matters, but I do have a lil tid bit to add.

As for the Telehealth program for Mental health treatment, I was involved in a template program in Maui. It was not very effective as the human element cannot be replaced by screens. However it was a way to get treatment to individuals that are in remote areas or have travel and physical issues that prevent them from going to a clinic. Today the practice of using Telehealth is becoming more common in the private arena as well.

In conclusion, VAMH is horrible and I believe the veteran should be allowed to seek treatment outside the VA as finding rapport with a therapist is of utmost importance. With the VA system, it’s more of “this is who we have, take it or leave it.” Finding the correct match between therapist and veteran would solve the suicide issue, the anti-gun issue and decrease the cost of VA Health Care expenditures. Just saying.

Godspeed

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TLC, this may sound………overly simplified.

What these jackasses can’t seem to get through their damn coconuts, is if they put down the pen and paper, turn away from the damn computer screen, shut their damn yaps, and take the time to just listen, some times that is all a person needs.

It can be the difference between life, and death, to just take the time, to listen, they don’t need some asswipe, with specialized training, a quack who goes through a checklist, like they are about to take off down a runway, some ding dang, yin yang, wing ding, that tries to get to the deeper meaning, or cause…………….they just need someone who genuinely gives a shit, and is willing to just shut the fuck up, and listen.

So simple even a caveman can do it, and save up to 15% on your car insurance.

Tasha
Tasha

Its more like mental dont-care. I wake up every day with a feeling that i dont belong here. I imagine its the same for many others. Also not thinking about using a gun when the time comes that ive had enough, i have access to guns but id rather use a better method. Ive been through all these suicide treatments before for many years. These treatments are a giant waste of time and patience. Its more like taking a placebo, some people will be able to heal just by thinking these treatments are actually helping, while others will experience a lifetime of symptoms, until their life is over.. i dont even thinking their studies and statistics are real. Its all a lie the only truth is this life is shit.

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Tasha, don’t give up your Medicare, and do, get yourself the proper supplemental. The supplemental will cost you each month, but you will never see a medical bill again. You will have a small deductible each year, but that is it, and you will be able to go to the best doctors you can find.

march hare
march hare

The vA = giant placebo treatment. I feel the same, like i lost my place in space and time. The wrongs and the heavy duty insults to the mind we endure and suffer through will never be made right, society don’t care, the vA don’t care, the legal system a pile of junk etc. and at times it seems their only function is to discredit and redirect more pain on a person seeking help. The best revenge is to live as long and as healthy and as happy as you can, then the dip shits don’t succeed. Think about phasing out the vA and going somewhere civilian for care. If your like me and i think you are, the vA will only continue to insult your wounds.

march hare
march hare

I’ve went through that headache too. I had told the vA something similar to what you did, but instead of depression, I told them(va specialty care providers) the vA was causing, triggering anxiety for me, they couldn’t accept that. I also have medical issues the vA ignored or disregarded. I don’t like the vA, and i’m biased against them now. I had to leave the vA or allow the anxiety to kill me directly or indirectly. Try to find a civilian doc who dislikes the vA, I don’t think the civilian side gives the vA much credence anyway, from what i’ve been exposed too. Unlike the vA, civilian health care medicade, medicare, do seem to take complaints seriously, or somewhat more seriously than the vA. does. And your right it all does seem so scammy

Tasha
Tasha

Even that has been another headache. I applied for medicare in january or february so i can get me a real doctor, was approved shortly after but had to wait 6 months for some reason, now its finally july and i can make an appointment but i called them to get some information, i have various health concerns the va has been ignoring and i would need specialists, i dont want my medical bills to rack back up i finally just got rid of them all – turns out theres this booklet full of information they forgot to send out. Gotta wait 2 weeks for a fuckin booklet. Ontop of all the time ive waited already it just seems like theres so much waiting time for people with medical problems who need care. Not to mention i kept missing the designated sign up times for medicare for the past 2 years i couldn’t even sign up for it because i struggle with memory and they want to accept applicationa only a few months out of the year. And since medicare is also government run i have my doubts it will be any different. I get to pay a penalty fee every month that i have it too because i didnt want medicare anymore since i moved so close to the va, wasnt using it before anyway, was just getting money taken out for something i didnt use and wasnt going to use. The information about the penalty fee is that if you dont sign up for medicare once it becomes available to you, you have to pay more for each month you could have had it but didnt should you decide you want it again. I was automatically enrolled so i was signed up but i guess requesting to be off of it months later still qualifies. It just all seems so scammy to me. In this age one cant even get what they pay for anymore. Its all about what lies can bring in the most money… What a way to treat veterans or even sick people overall. The govment is stunting out evolution

Lem
Lem

You wish, cj. Actually to keep from paying you have to go to physicians and facilities that accept Medicare. Yes there are a lot but I haven’t found any better than the VA where I don’t pay. But if you can’t get to a good VA then you have to do the best that you can even if you can’t afford it.

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Speak for yourself Lem, I think my entire team of private health care providers blow the VA out of the water any day of the week, and as I said, zero bills, only a small deductible of 165 dollars per year. My VA? is jointly run by both the VA and DOD, the only facility of it’s kind, and most likely staffed by better than most VA’s in this country.
The more you know…….

My private health care network of hospitals? among the finest in the country, that’s not my opinion, it’s fact based on whatever criteria they rate hospitals these days, you know, state of the art heart centers, mental health, spinal, ortho, your name it.

If your happy with your VA, you can keep your VA…………damn that sounds familiar..

junior2/5
junior2/5

The best revenge is good living, as long as you wave it in the face of an un-caring: VA, Congress, nation.