Scheming VA Executives Demoted, Not Fired

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Secretary Bob McDonald Dereliction of Duty

Benjamin KrauseSecretary Bob McDonald was in complete dereliction of duty by failing to hold senior executive employees accountable for fraud – they will still earn $100,000 per year.

Two VA executives were caught in a fraud scheme earlier this year. VA announced it will not fire the fraudsters after a full IG investigation that confirmed allegations that taxpayers were ripped off by the duo.

Earlier this year, SES executives Diana Rubens and Kim Graves will not be terminated for defrauding taxpayers and bullying subordinates. They received $400,000 in moving bonus money while manipulating the system to dislocate others in those positions. Instead of real accountability, VA slapped the duo on the wrist by forcing a slight demotion to “Assistant Director” and relocation to different facilities.

Think they dislocated other employees to allow the move? What negotiations behind the scenes resulted in no one would be held accountable.

Adding salt to the wound, Rubens and Graves will continue to earn well over $100,000 per year. They will also retain all ill-gotten gains through the scheme.

Doesn’t this sound like the kind of a deal a Wall Street suit might receive after rolling over on colleagues? Who do you think Rubens and Graves ratted out?

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American Legion head Dale Barnet said the decision proved VA will never understand the need “to hold people accountable.” Barnett believes the failure to hold Graves and Rubens accountable “is an insult and disgrace to all veterans.”

House Committee on Veterans Affairs chairman Jeff Miller said, “Because of the department’s failure to adequately hold employees accountable in this and many other situations, VA is being forced to tolerate corruption, malfeasance and incompetence within its ranks. As a result it remains under the shadow of perpetual scandal.”

Nowhere else in America other than the Federal Government can a person show such disregard for the law and still retain employment. Have you ever heard of someone getting caught ripping off their boss by over six figures and still keep their job?

Source: http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/va-officials-rubens-graves-demoted-to-general-worker-status-1.379956

Dennis
Dennis
Only at the VA can this sort of thing go on. But if you’re a disabled veteran and if you fudged just a little bit on your travel distance from the VA, whether intentionally or unintentionally; and you get overpaid on your travel pay. Then the VA will garnish any over payment’s to you from your monthly compensation checks until the over payment is paid in full and send you a nasty letter threatening you with jail time and prosecution.… Read more »
CorpsmanuP! (@Tang1967)

The problem here is that it is political. The parties in this election are not mentioning anything specific about the scandal at VA, they generalize “VA Scandal” the moderators in the debates are silent as well, not a peep regarding these instances. No one is calling for the Secretary to resign or even subpoena him, so that he can explain himself from his previous testimony about accountability.

redturtle984
redturtle984
When Benjamin Franklin emerged on to the street after the Second Drafting, a woman approached him and asked him what manner of government that he and the others had given us. “A Republic, Ma’am, If you can keep it.” The duty to report a broken traffic light, or the duty to report a broken agency in the government falls to us. The citizen. We have a Republic, if we can keep it. If the damn traffic light isn’t fixed, then… Read more »
CorpsmanuP! (@Tang1967)

Well said, but when the press is reluctant, there is something fishy going on in that matter. VA honors your request but they redact the information so bad that you think they had a contract with clorox. They also obscure your request by citing the Privacy Act.

namnibor

That “contract with Clorox” may just have come in the form of VA Sec. McDonald.

redturtle984
redturtle984
Make a FOIA request asking for all Evidence Based Practices offered in your clinic. Ask for a list of the EBP’s. They cannot redact that. No way. When you get it, ask your doctor via secure messaging what EBP is most appropriate for your condition. This puts them on the spot. VHA docs are undertrained and probably (according to a Rand study) are not following any published protocol like VHA claims. When you find this out, file a Civil Rights… Read more »
namnibor
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?!???? The VA has done what I predicted and USED the very “fog of war” world terror events to hide behind and the so-called press also has their eyes EYES WIDE SHUT. You can poop out as many Freedom Of Information Act Requests as you can muster, and these VA Employees (regardless of GS-Level) will continue playing violin while Rome Burns around them and claim that the fire was not THAT HOT. This IS a phenomenally… Read more »
namnibor
“[Miller noted that the VA will not even recoup the $8,000 bonus Graves received this year.]” I am sorry, but this shows in it’s ugly truth that the House Veterans Committee is NOTHING BUT a dog and pony show. As long as our government continues to allow the VA to totally police itself, absolutely NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. Period. Nada. Re. Miller and all others on that committee are JUST AS CORRUPT by proxy and only ENABLE these crooks to… Read more »
Jim Nose
Jim Nose

You want COLA for VETS or Seniors? No way! The govt needs the money for
the incoming immigrants.

namnibor

GITMO has become the new ‘Ellis Island’ for the USA. Sad!

Dina Padilla
Illegal and legal immigrants is what this is all about. because it is about cheap labor. Under the reagan admin, came the amnesty for illegal immigrants where they could now receive SSI/ low interest loans for business & homes. Then older workers with the highest paid/benefits we’re being targeted & forced to go out on workers compensation, which was WITH NO union help. Then after being labeled a nut & slut, we were then foisted to the SSA/Medicare, which was… Read more »
Sandy Maxwell
Sandy Maxwell

These two will retire at their high three. That means their high 3 yrs. Of SES pay not that of an assistant director of a RO.

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus
I remember how it was back in the 60’s- 70’s and how proud I was to do my service for this country I loved. When I was overseas I couldn’t wait to get back and get on with my life. Now I can’t wait to leave it. When the gov’t won’t listen to her people screaming for help and change to correct a problem, it’s time to go. I’ve grown ashamed of this country and I’ve lost that patriotic feeling… Read more »
Dan F
Dan F

Nex, I understand what you are saying. I love my country, I love the flag but, I despise the government for which it stands. We all need to stand up and fight for what she is supposed to be.

Dan F
Dan F
I read the news release this past Saturday and like all here was stunned in disbelief and angry. I gave it some thought and realized one of two things, or both were at work. The first is the total and complete lack of a moral compass by our government hierarchy as demonstrated by the actions of the two targeted and the ultimate “punishment” by management. My second thought is these two scoundrels must have a lot of dirt on others… Read more »
namnibor

Rep. Miller has ALREADY passed the buck on this with nothing BUT hot air. No teeth. All the letters in the world will do nothing but give Veterans a few feel-good-endorphins, nothing else. Deaf ears.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is one of the definitions of insanity.

Quancidine Hinson-Gribble
Quancidine Hinson-Gribble

We the People are going to have to take over the VA by reporting their actions concerning Fraud and Theft to the GAO, Government Accounting Office. This is the e-mail address: [email protected]

#cantouhearmenow

Quancidine for President

crazyelf
crazyelf
Did anyone actually see this ending any other way? With all the negative reports coming out about VA, VHA, VBA, (and other government entities) in the past year and a half, concerning the misuse, (or possibly theft) of taxpayers monies, does it surprise anyone? The one brother may be right, the government may be keeping all government agencies from doing anything with $$$$, right now. Because look at what this administration (Obamy) has been getting away with for seven years….… Read more »
Quancidine Hinson-Gribble
Quancidine Hinson-Gribble

We the People are going to have to take over the VA by contacting the GAO, Government Accounting Office and filing a formal complaint. This is the e-mail address: [email protected]

namnibor

Good luck with that. You can file all the proper forms you may like and feel really good about doing so but what good is it when the VA sees that as free toilet paper they will wipe and smear in your face upon return?

It’s all a ruse. I am convinced of it at this point. All that’s missing is The Big Top and Circus Music.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Fred
Fred
Bob can’t change anything, he’s just a figure head filling a hole on the cabinet, a yes man. If congress can’t clean house why would you think one person can. When the Secretary of VA was made a cabinet position they created a Court Jester. That’s all the Secretary of VA is, a political clown. Boys and girls it isn’t going to do any good, other then to vent your frustration, bad mouthing the clown, he’s doing what he’s paid… Read more »
namnibor

I fully believe Rep. Miller is nothing but a “jester in the court” as well. Otherwise we would not have this crap if we actually had an “oversight committee” but as it stands, we have enough hot air to run many wind turbines, but absolutely no horsepower in actually DOING SOMETHING.

Congress enables their behavior. Our President has full faith in the VA and Sec. McDonald to “always do the right thing”…well, that ‘right thing’ must be from Satan’s perspective.

Quancidine Hinson-Gribble
Quancidine Hinson-Gribble

The GAO, Government Accounting Office has the last word. Don’t be fooled. You have to do something which is to file a formal complaint at: [email protected]

#canyouhearmenow

Quancidine for President

Dina Padilla
I tried to file a complaint with the GAO about 5 years ago because the congress person wasn’t doing his job to get to the Ways and Means committee on an issue of fraud & corruption in the Workers compensation debacle and they, the GAO said to get anything done, I HAD to get about 300 people’s signatures to get in front of the Ways & Means Committee to get a hearing since my congress person would not, whereas a… Read more »
George H. Neagle
George H. Neagle
They must have some heavy evidence against those who would take appropriate action against them. To be reduced from Special Executive Status to General Schedule Worker (GS-15 and below) is a smack on the hand compared to the criminal fraud charges and subsequent prison time these people should be looking at for the many individual cases of misuse of government funds, defrauding the Veterans they have taken an oath to serve, and literally stealing government funds for their own use… Read more »
Kirk R
Kirk R

So basically the only way you can get fired at the VA is by whistle blowing.

Kirk R
Kirk R

Anybody who uses VA Healthcare or any medical professionals trained or connect to the VA is truly Foolish and putting their own life’s at risk.

Maybe everyone needs to reconsider VA Health care.

Especially when you consider the amount of Human Subject Research that is ongoing at VA Facilities.

Truly it is time to take a closer look at the Institutional Review Boards (IRB) and their connections to big Pharma.

namnibor

Kirk R-

*Many Veterans* do not have any choice in that matter and have to use the VA and then when retirement age kicks-in they can use Medicare and Private Dr.’s more easily.
It all comes down to the almighty dollar, unfortunately.

Kirk R
Kirk R
Namnibor, I know that many Veterans are without medical insurance and need medical care but in a lot of cases there are safer alternatives to VA Health Care. There are alternatives that are much safer for Veterans who need care including Medicaid medical assistance programs sponsored by many states and counties. Where the Veteran would not only receive better care but they would also be better protected by the same laws and courts that civilians receive. While I feel that… Read more »
ronald
ronald
My wife and relatives seem to be wrapped up in everyday life I think they think I’m crazy, hell I know I’m crazy iv’e got it in writing and they know that. But what they don’t see is what happening, my father in law passed away last year we were real good friends he’s a former 12 years Texas State senator bob Mcfarland Texas monthly said he was one of the 10 best senators Texas ever had, he was for… Read more »
HappyCakes
HappyCakes

If you send the message that there is not true accountability for unethical actions (assuming the wrong doing is proven), then how can anything change?

Frank
Frank

“American Legion head Dale Barnet said the decision proved VA will never understand the need “to hold people accountable.” Barnett believes the failure to hold Graves and Rubens accountable “is an insult and disgrace to all veterans.'”

Actually, VA *already* understands the need “to hold people accountable.”

Just try – as a veteran – to keep your disability benefit, and all your back payments, if VA decides you’ve defrauded *them*.

Don Avant
Hold on guys this is going to be a LONG comment… VA WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL FORCED It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the VA WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL IT IS FORCED TO DO SO.. The VA has for years wasted billions trying to get the Aurora campus built. Now they are refusing to tell congress where the money went… http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28424206/congressmen-criticize-va-failure-detail-cost-overruns-aurora The VA wasted millions on solar panels… http://watchdog.org/156746/va-hospitals/ Millions for ad agencies… http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/4/golden-hammer-va-spent-10-million-of-taxpayer-fund/ While VA keeps Vets waiting for months… Read more »
drb0701

Have to tell you I agree with almost everything you say, however, “unqualified NP’s”? My provider is a NP at the VA and I would put her up against any MD. You see…C=MD!

Don Avant

Many NPs are great…What I’m talking about is using NPs and other unqualified Doctors for TBI exams…

drb0701

Agree, if examination states MD with specific qualifications than it means just that. I am a retired qualified VA NP! And I go to the VA to see an NP who takes great care of me! I know good care and I wouldn’t trade her for any MD.

Jeff
Jeff

Some good points however most VA doctors aren’t covered with malpractice insurance. When a doctor is sued it gets paid by the Agency, not insurance. The doctor then, if serious enough, is reported to the medical board.

drb0701

In fact, licensing board(s) tells you that you do not need malpractice insurance if you are employed by the Federal Govt., and I think even State. Malpractice Insurance is extremely expensive, so this is a benefit to the employee.

Don Avant

That’s my point…The physician has NO ACCOUNTABILITY…and it’s almost impossible to sue the VA due to Tort laws…

AF Vet
AF Vet
The VA is turning me away for healthcare other than a physical so I go to my private healthcare for more intense healthcare but they are shunning me because they figure I am getting healthcare from the VA. SO, now I have some issues that are going to wear down my overall health but can’t do a damn thing about it. What a great country and all the broken promises. Wish me luck. I sure hope those who have life… Read more »
glenn678

Could I get a job with the VA, get caught for dereliction of duty and get dismissed with a $100,000 bonus?

Jo3n
Personally I have taken all I can. The sole reason for deaths of Vets falls in the hands of that lying, thieving, murderring leader of the most corrupt Gov. Organization in history of America. He passes down directates to hurt every vet who comes through the VA’s doors. He strajght out lies to congressmen, senators, and the media. If this is an example of our leaders in DC., then no doubt is leftt that they are ALL a bunch of… Read more »
Ralph
Ralph

The VA has failed veterans, and Congress has failed veterans. It is never going to change. Term limits would be a step in the right direction, then maybe congress would do the right thing. The VA should be dismantled.

Wade
Wade

I truly believe the VA can change and improve- and that this bohemoth is slowly doing that. I also believe we need term limits and need to let go most all in Congress. Politics is killing us.

Jeff
Jeff

No one in Houston had to relocate to make room, the assistant director position was vacant prior to this decision.

Frank Calderon
Dear Mr. Krause: I suggest if those in government who should put an end to all the fraud, found guilty of aiding and abetting else the criminals in all this wrong doing on in the VA and do nothing their case should be forwarded with the culprits they shield, to this email [email protected] I reiterate as in other occasions I may appear to be a cranky old, disabled veteran, but since my tour of duty in the military, I feel… Read more »
Paul Zdunek
Paul Zdunek
Letting the VA get away with screwing the veterans and getting away with unethical behavior is no one fault but the Veterans themselves. We as veterans have enormous power and that power needs to be displayed right away. All veterans need to organize in the millions and march mainly on Washington, DC and for those who cannot travel march onto their local VA Medical Centers and VA Affair Departments. In the millions, we can close down DC for weeks. March… Read more »
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