Secretary Wants To Redo VA Disability, Present System ‘Not Sustainable’

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VA Disability

With all the talk about cutting Individual Unemployability benefits, the new VA secretary may be pushing for an even more radical step to VA disability compensation.

Who knew Shulkin could take the whole system off a cliff, not just benefits for severely disabled, elderly veterans?

“I think that rethinking how we could approach disability is a key topic that’s going to be very important in future years,” Secretary David Shulkin, MD, said. “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being.”

“Our current disability system that is designed from 50, 60 or 70 years ago….. I would suggest it’s not sustainable and it may not be achieving the results of well-being for our veterans,” Shulkin said at Bush Institute event.

“Everybody recognizes we have a responsibility as a country to provide and be able to supplement resources for veterans that were harmed or injured during their time of duty. I don’t think anybody‘s suggesting that we take away our commitment to that,” he said.

According to Military Times:

Shulkin made the comments in response to a question about whether the system should be re-evaluated. Potential new offerings could include wellness programs, rather than simply monthly compensation payments. Disability compensation is a monthly tax-free benefit paid to veterans who are determined to be at least 10 percent disabled because of injuries or diseases that happened during or were aggravated by military service. 

VA Disability Budget Increases

VA budget documents claim beneficiaries who receive disability compensation and pension benefits in 2018 will increase by 180,000 from the previous year. The increase will result in a $1 billion increase in benefits payouts at $87 billion next year.

While any increase in veterans benefits may seem surprising to Chickenhawks who send us off to war while underfunding the Department of Veterans Affairs, any budget increases seem in line with the high-cost impact of traumatic brain injuries and other disabilities from the present wars.

But are these increases unsightly? Do they warrant a dramatic restructuring of VA disability compensation? Or, are these maneuvers a ploy to just downsize veterans?

Source: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/va-chief-time-to-rethink-disability-system-current-setup-not-sustainable

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Windguy
Windguy

So unlimited funding for the banksters and the globalist mercenary forces (that’s us, as in US) is OK? Nothing changes unless and until recruitment of new meat is threatened. Onward false-flag soldiers.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

THE FIRST STEP OF THE REVOLUTION IS AWARENESS
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2Fi1rhYqc”…..WINDGUY I think you’ll get a kick out of this one..LOL

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Shithead Shulkin is a mouthpiece for the Gov’t’s intent to hold on to the money and screw the veteran, He is such a phony SOB

Windguy
Windguy

Old: O’Keefe lost me at Reptilians. But he’s was on the right path with Israel. I continue to look for Netanyahu’s 90s treatise on Balkanization – it seems to have disappeared from Youtube. Odd that O’Keefe finds air time on RT – Russian Television. Then again, we have MSM, FOX etc. Propaganda is propaganda, regardless of flavor – cheap beer or cheap vodka.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy …………Reptilians/bankers dirt-bags what’s the difference……. The money magicians…The creatures of Jekyll Island ….And you don’t think the MSM would have him on, it might make people think..they like putting B.S. from holly-weird on air…stay tuned for your next scheduled programing… LOL

Rick Lipary

Meantime, Shulkin’s beloved Israel is propped up BIG time by US. taxpayers dollars, and 3.8 trillion dollars is spent on 15 consecutive years of middle eastern wars that are usually illegal and immoral, and were based on the big lie of 9/11. There are at LEAST 15 discrepancies between the official version and narrative of 9/11 as presented by our war mongering zionist government, and what REALLY happened!

JOHN COKOS
JOHN COKOS

The “Israel Lobby” vs the “Veterans Lobby” ? We are out spent and out gunned. Where are those sacred VSO’S who are the champions of Veterans Rights ?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
Rick Lipary….Speaking of Isra-hell and 9-11 who do you think runs almost all security for all the airports in the world, I’ll give you one tip and it starts with I…And for the people that think I’m anti jooo , the people of that country are just pawns in the game just like us….FUCKING satanists are running this world…ISIS..Israeli-secret-intelligence-services…with our money of course.. It’s in your face but OOOO no it cant be…. And fighting for freedom what a FARCE, that’s a bullshit line for the shepple..never enough money for the VET’S but plenty for WAR and foreign aid…..and don’t… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy
If I thought for a second that Trumplethinskin was the right guy to expose what or who lurks in the shadows – I’d forever be on his side. But – he isn’t that guy. That said, he is getting raked over the coals by the NWO brethren. Comey gets booted, and who shows up – Mueller – head of the 9/11 Commission. Booooo haaaaahahaahaha. Dude knows how to rubber-stamp a myth. The Narcissist in Chief makes it sooo easy for him. Hey – Weathered Leather – it’s sheeple – not shepple. Don’t get me wrong. I like lamb. As for… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy……. MY BRAIN WAS OVER LOADING MY FINGERS….LOL

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Wasn’t Shepple one of the Marx Bros or was it the Three Stooges -:) ?

Windguy
Windguy

COKO – it was Shemp – who has interchanged with Curly, or Curly Joe. Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

Mk
Somebody finally gets it, us giving is-it-real a fake propped up government in 1947 more than 3 Billion a year in monetary aid and sending them our best military equipment . Just so every fuckn now n then our politricians can get on their knees and say the same Ole robotic shit we need to help our so-called allies when the very government we help Spies on us on a daily basis smfh. Look it up of Jews getting caught spying on the US during or before 9/11 and getting a pass sent back to is-it-real. Not a word was… Read more »
ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

How can veterans get “better” when the VA (like when we served in the military) dispenses Motrin for everthing; you can’t even get an appointment to see someone (i.e. the wonderful “phantom” waiting lists) and, if/when you finally get seen, you have to deal incompetence, Idgf doctors, or doctors who are stealing the meds from the VA?

cj
cj

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cj
cj

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Ryan O.
Ryan O.
So our government tells us “WE” are entitled to healthcare. But when applying “WE” receive benefits for service connected and non service connected care. Yet, “WE” are a cost, for each individual to the health care system, through our tax system. So, which is it? A entitlement? A benefit? A cost? WE served this nation, to protect and defend it against all foreign and domestic. In doing so, WE understand the cost of our blood, sweat and tears, comes at a price. WE also know, that cost leads to pain, suffering and even death. So, your saying…WE don’t have a… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

The problem is within the va system itself. The va does not want to correct itself and let the employees, doctors, providers, etc. do whatever they please with rarely any accountability.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – – – You hit the ganglia (nerve gang) of the VA. Directly straight up the main line of corruption. Shulkin is diverting necessary auditing of the VA Health Care and Benefits System, and blaming Disability amounts of payment for Service Connected or Non-Service Connected piss poor caring calculations.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

The VA has been cooking the financial books for DECADES. This looks like a smoke and mirrors maneuver either to move the cheese piece’s around and CYA or just outright money launder the money to whatever off the books account they are maintaing. Ben is guilty in some respect for NEVER having gone into this bit of history.
But, he is in good company……

Mother of veteran
Mother of veteran

That’s ok. Just let these free loaders use attorneys to get SS disability, illegals from all over the world get food and free medical but the young men and women going off to war go to wellness clinics? Who thought this one up?

Loren
Loren

Amen..

Jim nose
Jim nose
Don’t take money from the disabeled. How about fixing the system how about not wasting money how about not giving so much to isreal. We are the police of the world. We should get a pension as police do. Get some of those country we protect to kick in some money. Especially those oil rich countries. Hey shulkin how are you going to make those of us that lost limbs any better by taking our money?’ Also there is not a hearing aid store on every block. President trump, you made a promise ti take care of us. I don’t… Read more »
DevilDoc2017
DevilDoc2017

War is a racket! And President Trump is a banker’s wet dream. Do I smell another civil war around the corner? Or is the stench of the DC swamp getting worse?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Now how is Shulkin going to take care of BENEFICIARY’s with Wellness Programs. How is the VA going to calculate how this issue is measured, when the average BENEFICIARY, Active Duty Personnel, VSO Peeps of the VA, the common person, or a trained circus animal, going to . . . Determine how to replace the can’t understand how-to come to the conclusion of the amounts of percentages, when the segments of the listed disabilities have a sum that is extremely hard to repeat in coming to the same amount when recounted? I’ve tried many times to understand how the VA… Read more »
John t Cokos
John t Cokos

Shulkin should put up some Police Tape around the budget issue; ‘Move on folks, there’s nothing here to see”. I might well be that they have NO plans to revamp the compensation issue, it would just bring attention and heat to where the money isn’t really going. I don’t see them killing off the Golden Goose of Money Laundering…

James Gallegos
VBA. Needs new management we veterans do not need people like Diana rubins and Kimberly graves who are willing to plead the 59th when questioned about their getting over $4000 relocation money. If they are willing not to answer to senate staff and it was on the up and up why not answer the questions. They are the leadership, since they refused to answer about relocation money, what are they doing to veterans and their va claims. They have shown they have something to hide and will continue. After all, all they have to say about anything when questioned is… Read more »
John t Cokos
John t Cokos
“For the life of me, I don’t understand what happened and why veterans by the hundreds of thousands are not marching on Washington….” for those no medicated out to the twilight zone there are those who the system has paid off with benefits . Nobody marches against their own interest’s. The veterans as a group have been hijacked by the Republican party through various front groups.This started by in the Nixon Administration, and was ramped up with Trump through the Koch Bros. special interests groups… I know because I was a FORMER member of such entities. There are no coincident’s…..
James Gallegos

Which one and why.? What happened or did not happen. ?

lily
lily

If it wasn’t for modern combat medicine we probably would have had 60,000 dead by now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead we have a huge number of disabled veterans that would have been dead. Of course it’s going to cost a lot, but lets not forget a lot more disabled WW2 and Vietnam Veterans are dying every day. So it kind of equals out in the long run financially if we stop having wars that aren’t necessary. Also, good luck changing the system when a few hundred thousand lawyers will be fighting for veterans.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Lili,
Let’s NOT forget the “dead veterans” still on the payroll where VA employees are stealing the compensation!

cj
cj

BINGO!!!!!! Along with opening accounts under fictitious names, using the claim number from denied claims, since 68′ at least!!!!

100’s of millions per month, some making its way to political campaigns. Hell no they don’t want an audit.

Lily
Lily

You have any articles on this?

cj
cj

@Lily: Lily, here is a link, from the man himself, I know it is a long video, but please, watch it in it’s entirety.
If you want to skip to the theft part, it starts at around 19 minutes in.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos
I would recommend that EVERYONE look at Eds video, even if you don’t buy the premise. I was in contact with Ed when he first came out with the interview, and even if he was wrong on some of the details, it’s the general premise that explains were we are at today. No one has picked up on ED’s research, either for reasons of self interest or it’s just too much work. Ed suggested to that there death threat’s against someone involved in the original unfolding of the paper trail. It’s easy to go on a blog and go on… Read more »
cj
cj

@John t Cokos: What amazed me most, is all the entities up and down the line, that turned a blind eye to him, even though he has clearly provided the proof. Supreme Court says fix it, the VA says piss off, the lower courts pull a Schultz’s, “I see nothing”, and not a single politician could give a shit.

You knew Ed personally? That is awesome!!! If you ever talk with Ed again, please let him know many people, both Veterans and civilians, think the world of him.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos
I connected some years back when he was being interviewed by some long since gone vets radio talk show. I took a while for me to get my head around it all, but it fell into place after I did some independent research on my own.The closer I got to trying to corroborate the facts he put out, the more resistance I got. Hit a stone wall at one point. I think that Ed’s know’s a lot more than he is saying. He’s not in good health from the last interview I heard him own. I went to local Congressman… Read more »
cj
cj
@John t Cokos: Sorry to hear of Ed’s health, this is the game plan right? Wait for him to die, makes me so angry. I would expect nothing less than stonewalling, when trying to get answers. If you were to tell all that you know, to anyone other than Veterans that have been screwed over, people would think your off your rocker. Exactly how do you penetrate, that damn wall? And, when you do, who the hell is going to listen? Let alone do anything!! We can cry, and scream, and throw shit all day long, but until we are… Read more »
James Gallegos

Cj have u been able to find anyone who is willing to help us set up a March, or who to contact.

cj
cj
@James Gallegos: James, I sent out emails asking for guidance to 7 different organizers, along with follow up emails. Not a single response from anyone, not even a piss off! I need to go back to the article Ben posted, about the Missouri doc not being able to practice at the VA. I recall someone posted, who obviously knew what he was talking about, all the things we would need to do, to march in Missouri. I need review some of those posts, make a list of shit to do. And I guess, try to get it done on my… Read more »
James Gallegos
Maybe flooding Secretary Shulkin’s from veterans all over the country explaining their complaints about how they have been treated or not treated or punished by the illegal disruptive committee or any other problem they are having. ! It has been told that the pen is mighter than the sword. Every letter, inquiry must be filed and kept for so many year’s. The letters will be the Paper trail and this should act as notice to whom ever is reading it, about certain problems that need to be addressed. The Secretary is required to submit any action taken concerning “bad” employees,… Read more »
cj
cj
@James Gallegos: James I really like that idea as well, of flooding Shill-kin with complaints in writing. We all can start that in the morning. I am having trouble thinking of the right word to use, I will work my way around it, I no longer trust anything to do with the VA, I feel if all we do is flood Shill-kin, the entire matter will still be kept from the public. It is hard to hide a massive march, one that brings all the ugliness that is the VA to light., I know I am fighting an uphill battle,… Read more »
James Gallegos
I understand, I sensed a lot of stress in your post and thought I would throw you a life line. I was speaking to my Wife and she agrees with you that a March is also called for. ! She has watched me before I was treated and after, life is a lot different and I can function without having to drink, I use mother nature medication. The va has to understand that every time they deny a veteran their deserved disabilities, they are assisting in harming those veterans. Who ever started this insanity should be in jail for life.… Read more »
Cantigny
Cantigny
#cj: >>We can cry, and scream, and throw shit all day long, but until we are ready to band together, put our differences aside, and march together as one, and DEMAND JUSTICE, nothing, will ever change!!!! and the results speak for themselves or we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, of all places on a “voc rehab site”. veterans issues with VA & especially VBA always morph back to critical point of frustration && every time VA heads, currently shulkin, speaks, we are reminded of why we veterans are so pissed off about all this. as i’ve mentioned before, the… Read more »
Lew

Lily, completely agree. Lots of serv- connected vets from previous wars are dying every day. It is a situation that offsets VA spending. It means benefits that the VA actually saves. VA doesn’t tell us that either.

lily
lily

Is there anywhere we can find some numbers on how many vets die every year and how much the VA saves?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

lily…I’m sure the bean counter has a list but he’s not giving it up..

Bill
Bill

Your comments are very offensive Lily. You are sounding like the va just waiting for us to die.

cj
cj

@Bill: Bill, you may have misunderstood Lily, I have never known Lily to take the VA,s side. I think what she is saying is, Shill-kin is talking about cutting benefits to save money.

Lily is saying they are saving enough money, due to the fact many older Veterans, are dying, along with younger Veterans, who die waiting for care, that the VA, is no longer paying out benefits to. And simply asked where she could find those stats at.

I don’t think she meant to offend anyone.

Later Gators -!¡¡!-

James Gallegos

Not every veteran gets 100% disability and many of those past war veterans were given a 0 % rating, some a little higher and many were denied care.

That’s why they are dying off, the va has denied claims and without an adjudicated claim, sorry Charlie, next !

Seems you think every service connected veteran are making large amounts of money !

Something smells. ! Guess were not dying off, fast enough. Are you a va employee.?

namnibor
namnibor
My theory is simply this: I believe Shulkin & Friends at the VA are throwing-out things against the wall to see what may stick in order to stave-off any massive audit of the VA. I believe Shulkin thinks if he can propose alternative, drastic cost-cutting measures, it makes the bean-counters happy, and the corrupt AFGE minion can sleep soundly knowing they will not have to sacrifice a thing to continue being a ever-getting-plumper-purple team. Notice how he firstly threw against the wall the stealing away TDIU from retirement aged Veterans? That did not stick well, SO let’s try WELLNESS CLINICS….it… Read more »
JOHN COKOS
JOHN COKOS

WTF is a wellness program ? All you Trump bots out there who were singing the praise of the Orange Menace and Shulkin are due for a wake up call. You have NO ONE who is looking out for Veterans. ” vox populi” public opinion is always wrong at first blush…Get rid of the pre-canned Republican talking points, were are on our own.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

JOHN COKOS ….Everyone of you owe it to your families and neighbors to do everything possible to re-educate them. The alternative is to watch them die. Every politician reading this is now on notice; we will not surrender to your masters and you and they can go straight to hell. To you fools who swear by your political party, you are too stupid to contend with. They are your enemy!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

and America was never intended to be a democracy and is not one now. It’s all one big rotten lie. America is and has been a corporate owned and controlled series of incorporated service companies that eliminated our humanity and converted us into slaves. The Constitution for the united States is in a state of hibernation and THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES Inc. is slowly but surely brain draining every one of us into accepting defeat by supporting the existing charade.

namnibor
namnibor
ANOTHER IDEA!! (this is a WHOPPER and something completely different) Mr. President: I propose a “GASOLINE VETERAN TAX OF NO LESS THAN 20% AT EVERY GAS PUMP”–this tax will be in-place until the VA’s fraud and corruption is cleaned-up and by cleaned-up, banishing the AFGE Union from VA workplace and FIRE your way to excellence. Until then, for every 6 months that go by and the above is not accomplished and Veterans are happy and SAFE, that TAX will INCREASE additional 5%. This is not a corporate tax, this is a tax hitting every single American, rich, poor, and every… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
My proposed Veteran Gas Tax (VGT) would make the word “Veteran” be more than a stage-prop talking-point or staged holidays fireworks or air show feel-good, warm and fuzzy after-glow, or re-election erection campaign veteran stage props…no…the word “Veteran” will also be implanted on every American’s mind that until the “Beneficiaries Of Their Freedom” they enjoy in these United States are treated with the simple promise we were told and Veterans cease to kill themselves at a rate of any % a given day, that gas tax will keep climbing. Really think hitting the wallets of all is the only way.… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

We could also add a WAR TAX to all commodities and place ALL Americans on RATION STAMPS…we are at war, now 17 years+ and going …..what I am saying is compared to wars of the past, esp. the Great Wars, the USA citizens are NOT making *any* sacrifices that encourage the citizens to encourage our congress critters to stop making new Veterans.

namnibor
namnibor

This Veteran Gas Tax (VGT) might also drive home to Americans that these wars are indeed only about controlling the damn oil…in name of democracy, or something like that…

Also, in case OPEC helps the AFGE and VA out by lowering gas prices by oil barrels down to say $20. a barrel, well, the Veteran Gas Tax (VGT) will increase exponentially to the power of 2 to allow for potential fraud underhand corruption creep.

(Fraud Underhand Corruption Creep: (FUCC) is anywhere the VA goes they corrupt absolutely…FUCC’d is the typicaly aftermath)

James Gallegos

You just went over the edge, ask Dennis for a bowl and calm down ! Lol

namnibor
namnibor

‘[…Secretary David Shulkin, MD, said. “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being.”…]’

Shulkin is sounding JUST LIKE those ring-knockers that have posted on here in years past. The name ‘Gade’ comes to mind, a West Point instructor that believes Veteran Disability Compensation is a bad thing and he said as much as Shulkin, in that he thought it incentivizes disability…and that’s likely what he’s been teaching his newly manufactured ring-knockers and I have no doubt that’s where some of this crapola is seeping from.

Rant Out for today. Throwing more rocks. Broke the lawnmower. 🙂

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

namnibor…WE are already paying a war tax, that’s where our taxation started from …read your HIS-STORY/history

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

Shulkin is brain dead. War incentives incentivizes disability by letting hunks of metal and explosives come your way. What would he suggest, hire mercenaries so you don’t have to pay them for the after effects of war…?

James Gallegos

They are using them now called va employees.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
The “4th of July Celebration” is right around the corner. How many wanna bet we veterans will be dragged out onto the streets, fields and stages around the country, to get the population teary eyed, so our plight will go unnoticed? Here’s something else. Before “Shithead Shulkin” took over the Secretary’s job at VA, President Trump has a few other individuals in mind! Only, none of them wanted the job! Why? We surmised those individuals didn’t want it was because they knew how corrupt VA was, and didn’t want a “black mark” on their resume! (Remember that!) I agree with… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

ELF right on, we get taken off the shelf on the 3rd of July, get dusted off for the 4th parade/show- hooray

Windguy
Windguy

Don’t forget those lovely magnetic fender ribbons. Gets me all flag wavy n’shit.

Lem
Lem
The secretary is right. Disability compensation needs to be re thought. See Bray v Shinseki. A mental category I inductee isn’t as disabled from an amputation as a mental category III. A mental category III inductee isn’t as disabled (economically) from a TBI as a mental category I. Medical approaches to treating TBI need to be upgraded to prevent suicide. A greater recognition of anosognosia and its effects on the psyche needs to be included in treatment for left frontal lobe injuries and right mid parietal lobe injuries. Yes, a new approach needs to be taken on both treatment and… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Disability calculation methods need to be easier to understand. Reads like an Attorney decided how this would be all set up in the first place. Wait, it was a bunch of legal beagles that set this up. There is also the possibility, that the total yearly sum of the Disability Payments are less that what they should be. Remember how many are denied for decades, and more? BENEFICIARY’s are undercompensated. There are other areas that the VA needs to get ahold on of its costs. I see a smokescreen coming down the pike. Shulkin is looking for a way that… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Been there and done that. SSDI since Sept of 1990. TDIU since July of 2009.

Dennis
Dennis
I am gonna tackle this one VA style! First, let me say something that I like about any government official answering questions without reading from a script; It brings back wonderful memories of waking up with the Sun in my shared bed with my brother on Saturday morning and romping down the hallway in jammies to turn on the Boob Tube and plop down to watch cartoons! I could just NEVER stop laughing at Mr. Magoo! Mr. Magoo, you have done it again!!! So I like remember Mr. Magoo, and that is a positive thing. What I think can be… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy
I was at the VA Portland Thursday. I had flashes of Saturday morning “funnies” – especially The Three Stooges. In one scene, upon hearing “thank you for your service”, I became Moe – ” – slap – punch – slap “shuddup puddin head”. In scene two, at imaging following “thank you for your service”, I was Curly doing his woo woo woo dance, slapping his own face and ending up with his growling dog. Scene three was me being Larry back at imaging again, and again, and from a different soul “thank you for your service” – instead of Moe… Read more »
JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

The Old Picking Peanuts Out of a Turd Gambit . Don’t care for Peanuts(not at that price) and the latter, well leave them on the sidewalk where they belong….

Francisco Briseno
Francisco Briseno
This is weird, I agree with Secretary David Shulkin, MD, said. “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being.” I speak, or write for me and no other veteran, but I am sure there are many in my shoes. I went in to the VA because I thought I had a minor sleeping disorder (insomnia of some sort). After a battery of written tests of many kinds, and psychiatric interviews, and groups on alcohol and drug addiction, and being tested monday through friday for substance abuse; about a year and a half later after I… Read more »
Lem
Lem

I agree. I would rather have been treated and rehabbed properly than given 100%. I’m now 75 and one year on seizure medication that I should have been taking for 48 years instead of several different anti-depressants. I’m more employable now than I was at 30.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Work is highly overrated. Sleeping in late and watching your neighbors scramble is it’s own reward. It’s a Zero Sum Game…..

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Paragraph anyone?

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Interesting story. It has a 1984 flavor to it. My only anaylisis is to TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN, and NEVER look back. If your fucked either way you look at at, why not get paid for the experience? You over thought the whole thing, now your paying the price.
My personal experience with the VA (the money side) is IF you see a window of financial opportunity, break it open and crawl thru……Just me venting of course.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Daughter of Mossad Chief: I Refuse to Enlist in the Israeli Military.. 6MIN.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmCcTSyowhY”

Windguy
Windguy

Won’t see that on Fox, or Breitbart, or ABC or NBC or ….

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

The Plan — according to U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.) 2min.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE”………he said this in 2007

Windguy
Windguy
Link failed, but I’ve seen it. Wes was on the BoD of a couple of small wind tech companies. My first encounter with him was a report I did on a wind turbine crash – I fingered the construction manager for operating under unsafe conditions, and the OEM for inadequate safety systems. Turns out Wes Jr. was the construction manager on-site. Then senior hired me to go beat on the OEM in Holland. Interesting fellow, and in private, he did make mention of the grand plan. He seemed somewhat embarrassed that it took him so long to figure it out.… Read more »
JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Clark Jr. and a fellow named Woods were raking in the Money, over $1 Million in Go Fund Me cash with the Veterans at the Dakota Access Pipeline protest. The Vet’s are gone, and so is the Money that they raised. Haven’t heard from them on the final accounting of the funds. The Clark’s know how to ride the Gravy Train when it pases thru town.

Windguy
Windguy

Jr. didn’t walk away with a dime. Tents, food, water, porta-loos – you name it. Jr. isn’t wired that way. The old man makes his dough on the speaking circuit (very little these days) and on Boards of tech start ups. He isn’t getting fat either. He could have done much better joining the military industrial train – and didn’t. That’s my opinion from my limited direct contact. I did exchange mails with Wes II when he was doing the Dakota thing. There are no saints.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

Windguy: any final accountability that I can read ? I haven’t seen any numbers. How do you spend that much money on a cluster-fuck that didn’t achive any goal? Looks like the usual roll out the veterans and beg for money. What is likely to happen with this is that Clark and Co. will resurface with a politically correct cause to run for political office (Flint Michigan water crisis) and the veterans ? Oh those guys….yeah I remember them. What ever did happen to those guys anyway ?

Udidn'treallySERVE

he speaks of wellness programs….I’m sure the Vet dying from Mesothelioma or a disease associated from exposure with Agent Orange….will just jump for joy!!!!! and Vets who have become amputees will clap or some will stomp their feet ……this jackass makes disability sound as if its something everyone covets…

Vet Who Thinks the System Needs an Overhaul
Vet Who Thinks the System Needs an Overhaul
not to sound Un-American–and yes, i am a veteran with PTSD; but i know many vets who have placed getting well on the back-burner because the disability check is too good. For some, disability is indeed an incentive to not get well. I know people who put off surgeries (that otherwise would make them get well sooner) because they don’t want their rating decreased. I know people who pick-out hard to prove disabilities, or crap that they know they don’t qualify for (clogging up the system), because they’re trying to get pushed to 100%. It’s all about the money for… Read more »
james gallegos
How about a veteran that was shot in the head, applies for disability and the VA deny, deny, deny claim, stating his official military records were destroyed in a fire that happened in May 1973 and the veteran discharged in Oct 1973. What did they do, save an amber just for my records. Me suffering from PTSD and a Traumatic Brain Injury that I did not know I had. Drinking to self medicate, going to jail, divorced twice, trying to kill myself ! And after forty years hire an attorney and BOOM, ALL of a sudden my official Military records… Read more »
Michael Warren
Michael Warren
The VA is to be used by wounded Vets only for their ‘combat’ related injuries, not the follow-on crap that is seen today and fraudulently promoted by fake VSO’s. How many Vets abuse the system and are claiming up to 100% disability when they were never wounded in combat? Oh, I have sleep Apnea because of being in the military; Oh, I have PTSD because I was in the military; Oh, I have a ingrown hair up my ass because I was in the military, etc etc etc) Reorg the VA and shut down the VSO’s. Help POTUS Trump drain… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Micheal Warren – – – Get your point, but you’re stretching it to the max.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

But, with your attitude, other BENEFICIARY’s (Veterans) have no right in declaring PTSD even if they tested positive for such. Stay warm in understanding others in their fight to be justly compensated. MW, for your reference, review the Psychiatric Medical Dictionary on how one can get PTSD, and they’ve never left US soil to be transferred anywhere close to a war torn battlefield. As a Corpsman, you should know this condition very well, and that NOT everyone gets this condition in the same way.

Bill
Bill

Warren your full of shit

Dennis
Dennis
@MW The issue at hand is not the motives of veterans at all, however Shulkin has framed it thusly. This is why I do not trust he had engaged his brain much when making this off-hand comment. Our system of legal prudance can indeed present as an argument the idea of “motive” in a constitutionally sanctioned government decision made for The People by a hand selected group of citizens known as “a jury”. What he screwed the pooch over in this matter is by assuming authority by speaking as a federal official about changing policies based on a notion that… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

You are onto something. With Shulkin’s reasoning and thinking, then any Veteran on disability MUST have actually entered the military HOPING to have gross bodily/mental damages…all to further the democratic process if peace, even if it means coming back in pieces or not at all.

They are truly dumb fucks at the VA.

Lem
Lem
You don’t know much about workman’s compensation do you Michael? That sailor or supply clerk that was injured getting ammunition to the troupes you slapped battle dressings on don’t deserve compensation because they didn’t play safety first because of the urgency? Also a combat corpsman. But obviously from an earlier war. Times have changed in the “voluntary” military. And so have the benefits. We were paid considerably less and considered on duty 24/7/365. Speak for your time, not mine. What I earned and was promised is what I have a right to. And so with the sailors and marines I… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy

Lay off the Kool aide brother. Trump is a swamp creature. He’s just from a different swamp. And he’s building new ones.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy …..Congressman Chaffetz Says Trump Is No Better Than Obama! …..look that one up on u tube

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Where the hell have you been, boy. The Republic was destroyed over 100 years ago and all the presidents are appointed.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Hey son, what the fuck are you talking about? Our Republic as a safe Nation was financially destroyed when POTUS Tricky Dicky took our Country off of the Gold Standard.

Presidents appointed? To many conspiracy theorists. Corpsman, are you one of them?

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Your education is showing. The Republic was finally destroyed in 1913 with the founding of Centralized Banking and the Federal Reserve System. Nixon was following orders and the elimination of the Gold Standard was part of the “Plan”. Nixon didn’t want to end up like Kennedy who backed the Gold Standard and went against the Elitist Establishment of that time and was murdered by the Bush Cabal.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Michael Warren – – – You keep on blowing hot air. Bush family murders Kennedy. Another big fucking stretch. You may want to watch out. Alveoloplasties might be necessary for speech clarity. Take care homie.

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Knowledge and Truth are two biggies that you missed out on. Go back and support your Clintons and troll their sites. WHA!!! WHA!!! People like you are the problem with this country.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

And who actually gave Nixon orders to remove the US off of the Gold Standard? (Oh yes, reference please).

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Like I said – your education is showing, or lack thereof. Pretty pathetic, Troll.

figure8fan
figure8fan

Michael Warren,
What is “Before it’s news”???
It is:
Before It’s News is a citizens journalism website where stories are provided by individuals without credentials. Stories can range from moderately credible to tin-foil hat conspiracies. It seems this source has become a haven for conspiracy theorists and pseudo-scientists. Further, the website is riddled with pop-up ads and potential malware that make it impossible and unsafe to navigate. This source has been classified as Fake News by Fake News Watch and Politifact.
Source:
“https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/before-its-news/”
why is this in your gravitar page? I think we all know why.
“https://en.gravatar.com/mdwarren67”
f8f

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Michael Warren – – – You’re a piss poor profiler. Been a solid conservative since being politically active. Again, big stretch with the Knowledge and Truth. People like me would rid our Country of fucking ass wipes like yourself. Because someone says something about an issue, doesn’t make them a whiner. WTF is wrong with you?

Windguy
Windguy
Warmike: I get the Jekyll Island ca 1913 issue. Then there’s Prescott Bush and his foul seeds – and all the hell that hath been wrought since. However, there is no way that you or anyone will ever, ever convince me that Trump is the guy who can go up against the NWO heel clickers. We’ve succumbed to the expectations that our presidents are minions of a higher order. But this guy has so much baggage, and is so incoherent, and lies so frequently, and has built a base of support based on selling fear and empty promises. If he… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Windguy – – – I just notice the name title “WarMike.” LMFAO, big time.

figure8fan
figure8fan

where did warMike go?
He must of had a very important factual??? story to put on the “Before It’s News” site of Facebook page.
That is the site on his gravitaor page
f8f

Rick Lipary
Michael Warren: You talk like man with a paper ASS! Read the V.A. regulations! They CLEARLY state “Conditions caused or EXACERBATED by military service!” In march of 1971, when that rocket went off 20 yards from me, (I was in the mess hall, and it landed in the motor pool in the exact spot I had been standing in five minutes prior) I was only 19 years old, and the sound was so unexpected and loud, that I was left with hearing damage and noise aversion for LIFE! One of six rocket attacks! Are you so stupid and hateful to… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Rick Lipary – – – You must be no good too according to @Michael Warren.

Hey Mike, I can sit back, then watch ass others tear into you to produce another alimentary canal port hole. Peace Bitch.

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

What is that you don’t understand about “Combat Related”? We you, or were you not, in a Combat Zone? What is it that you are so confused over? DUH!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Michael Warren – – – I was in a Combat Zone where I was stationed, and I wasn’t in combat against a foreign enemy, but an homeland enemy. Do you remember how many criminals were told by Judges, that they can do time or go into the Army or Navy? This happened in the 70’s. I was discharged before I took one of these creeps out for the things he was doing to others, and threatening their life. Bingo, snipe time. Boy your jumping all over with firing back at comments. Oh and by the way, I have an Honorable… Read more »
cj
cj

@Rick Lapary: Rick, my father would use that on us all the time, “Confusious say “You talk like man with paper asshole””

Thank you for reminding me of him.

Raptor Eagle
Raptor Eagle
You are 100% correct Doc. There are too many ex-military leeches out here that abuse the system and ride the VA as their own personal “Gravy Train”. In my organization we have been able to expose 100’s of these frauds – some have gone to prison for their actions in defrauding the VA over non existing conditions and even conditions that are completely non-military and/or combat related. We have found that most of this scum were worthless prior to Military service and never changed; just got worse. We are also exposing the VA personnel for what they are as well.… Read more »
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Hey, Marine, What is the name of your organization, who are its principals and by whom are/is they/it funded?

cj
cj

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve: From what Raptor Eagle is saying, he must be a scum VAOIG.
The same scum that turns a blind eye to Veterans being murdered at the hands of directors who credential unqualified surgeons to perform simple surgeries that end up killing Veterans, and he calls ex-military leeches?? Blames the Veteran, and not the VAOIG, or the directors for using the VA as their very own gravy train.

Hey Raptor Eagle, you Veteran hating piece of shit:

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I got your ex-military leeches right here!!!! Stick your ‘ORGANIZATION UP YOUR ASS!!!!

James Gallegos

This guy caught 100’s of veterans scamming the system, he should post everyone of them and show the proof of each.

How many va employees did he catch, we know that only a hand full of va employees have been held accountable

Is it that they only want to go after veterans and not federal employees.

What organization. ?

Show us the proof, if not then this person is blowing smoke.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

James Gallegos….I guess with a name like Raptor Eagle we were supposed to fear this asswipe..He talks about the ex-military leeches, He needs to look at the higher ups where they steal the big money…he talks about a hundred’s of vet’s out of 21 million…that’s peanuts versus the higher up pistachios…LOL ….AND RAPTOR EAGLE GO FUCK YOURSELF…..and I’ll give you my address if you want it

Mike
Mike
These fake Vets that I’m referring to waste over $10B/yr. when real Vets with real injuries are pushed aside. You and especially others on this post are protesting why too much which is the first “give away”. Most people who make false and embellished claims of military service go to great lengths in order to support their claims. We often see false documents, altered pictures, claims that could never be true, sock puppets, legal threats, and so much more being used by posers to defend their lies. Some of the most bold posers use bravado to fend off anyone who… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I get 408 dollars a month for a kidney so tell me, I’m ripping who off…….High blood pressure I get pills but it’s not on my problem list, because they might have to pay another 10% now tell me I’m ripping them off….Sounds like your dealing with some con artists YEA, but your getting low on the totem pole …and ten billion sounds like your saying everyone is scamming…..Fact’s on paper from a doctor, The vet doesn’t wright the shit up

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

And Oh by the way, go fuck yourself..you couldn’t get shit on me because theres nothing to get

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

You and especially others on this post are protesting why too much which is the first “give away”.WELL I HAVE TO TELL YOU YOUR CRYSTAL BALL IS BROKE SO GET THE FUCK TO WALLMART AND GET ANOTHER ONE ASSWIPE…YOU MUST WORK FOR THE VA PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPT…ALL FLUFF AND NO TRUTH

cj
cj
HEY DING BAT, I have yet to see a single post, from anyone, stating, let alone embellishing, their military service. There are not only Veterans here, but also VA employees, and friends and families of Veterans/wronged Veterans, along with spouses of Veterans that have died at the hands of the VA, along with Lawyers, scholars, and anyone else who is interested in disabled Veterans issues. When anyone comes to this site, and starts calling the members, AND I FUCKING QUOTE “ex-military leeches” here to “scam the system” you can expect to get fallout, and, it is well deserved fallout at… Read more »
cj
cj

@Michael Warren: Did you hit your head on the way in? Your a damn idiot, and don’t know shit about what the VA is for, it certainly is not for YOUR personal description of what you THINK it should be for, Go suck a fucking egg,

James Gallegos
We have heard this before, one has to understand that active military personnel get hurt in training or accidents and harmed by person’s who do not like American soilders. Our military is all over the 🌎 and do get harmed. The va has income limits before veterans have to pay, if not service connected. This person does not understand that hundreds of thousands of veterans have been denied their deserved disabilities. Yes, this person is a disgruntled va employee, maybe ready to be axed and wants to get one more 👊 in before getting their pink slip. We, have seen… Read more »
james gallegos

Combat Veteran, do you not know that we have service members all over the world ! How about training accidents, how about solders stabbed or shot or their vehicle rolls over and not in a combat zone.

How about all the support people getting hurt.

You do not have to be in a combat zone to get injured, sometimes worse that in combat

Crabtreekl
Crabtreekl

How are these “Wellness Programs” going to pay my bills? I’m not able to work. I’ve done every treatment plan VA has recommended for my PTSD and other related injuries. I also draw SSDI because of PTSD. Now there’s the chance they could pull my unemployability because I draw SSDI which I worked for? I would be in bankruptcy. My rating is permanent and I have become dependent upon it for living. I guess this “Wellness Program” will really help when I’m homeless.

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