California official confirms Yountville shooter, Army veteran Albert Wong, was kicked out of a PTSD treatment program at the same facility that week.

Wong reportedly snuck back into the facility during a going-away party of two employees of The Pathway Home program at Yountville Veterans Home, a California run facility (not VA run) with some federal VA employees on staff.

Wong was dressed in black wearing body armor carrying a rifle.

The first shots were fired at 10:30 AM. The bodies of Wong and three victims were located at 6:00 PM with no reports at this time as to the weapon type used and the specific manner of death, though it’s obviously presumed to be death by firearm.

Some Immediate Gun Policy Concerns

Any veteran readying this with a PTSD rating can believe policymakers will closely evaluate whether they need to consider new legislation on gun ownership and PTSD treatment.

Such policies, of course, will result in veterans suffering from PTSD refusing to identify for treatment for fear they will lose their 2nd Amendment rights. No one wins in that scenario, so the way this tragedy is handled over the next few weeks if very important, especially in this climate and especially in California. And, such a focus on PTSD instead of detecting those with homicidal ideations do not understand mental health.

PTSD ≠ Homicidal Maniac

I want to point out that a mere diagnosis of mental disorder does not mean you are a person with homicidal ideations.

Further, people get PTSD (posttraumatic stress disorder) for a lot of reasons like 1) car accidents; 2) gang attacks; 3) sexual trauma; and, 4) combat. None of these sources of PTSD much less the disorder itself mean a person also suffers from or has a diagnosis of homicidal ideations.

It is apparent the person who showed up at Yountville Veterans Home wearing black with body armor who swiftly took hostages and then killed some of them likely had an intent to do harm to others with premeditation, i.e. someone with homicidal ideations.

Likewise, the Parkland School shooter also had homicidal ideations that were publicly documented but not appropriately addressed by law enforcement including the FBI.

We really need to know what happened after his service in 2012 in Afghanistan and his removal from The Pathway Home. Why was Wong not receiving inpatient care at a federal VA medical center? Why was he removed from the program earlier this week? Was his case referred to VA for follow up immediately after termination from the program?

Was the shooter taking pharmacologic drugs like SSRIs prior to the shooting? That seems to be a common thread lately.

RELATED: VA Care Failure For Veteran Who Kills Self With Fire

Remember When Army Refused To Treat Soldiers For PTSD?

Before diving too deeply into the details, it is vital to remember the US Army engaged in a massive fraud for many years between 2001-2012. There, Army leaders were repeatedly caught refusing to diagnose soldiers with PTSD to avoid giving the benefits and mental health care services they required to save a buck.

One psychiatrist was even caught training his staff to misdiagnose soldiers with PTSD to discharge them using a personality disorder diagnosis instead. The effect would result in the veteran being discharged without standard benefits valued at $1.4 million over the lifetime of the soldier.

Instead, those new veterans would be out of the Army without access to necessary care for PTSD and without disability compensation benefits. It was a horrifically criminal scandal that affected Army personnel worldwide for many years.

RELATED: Army PTSD Misdiagnosis Fraud To Avoid Paying Disability Benefits

Wong served in the US Army in Afghanistan during the end of that period and developed severe enough PTSD that went untreated for 6 years before becoming deadly.

How much of this blood is on the hands of the Madigan Psychiatric Team and the leadership that made use of the scheme to keep the costs of war artificially low? If he received appropriate care for his mental health, could they have detected his future homicidal ideation and death with it appropriately before it developed over 6 years?

RELATED: 40% Of PTSD Diagnosis Reversed At Madigan Army Medical Center

Perhaps ask retired general Gina Farrisee, one of the former Army leaders responsible for failing these veterans. She is now a senior official inside VA working her same magic on accountability and human resources since 2013, which was a complete failure for those of you who are unaware of her deeds.

If that is not enough to make you curious, Farrisee was previously admonished for her role in in the Pat Tillman friendly fire cover-up where the Army misled the public and the family of the nature of the former NFL hero’s death to instead use the event for propaganda purposes.

RELATED: Reprimanded Army General Now In Charge Of VA Human Resources

And yet, if that is still not enough, since Farrissee was a political appointee under President Obama in 2013 who was not confirmed by the Senate, in 2016, she was moved into a GS slot from the SES slot to continue working in the agency rather than being dropped like all other non-confirmed leadership who were jobless January 20, 2017.

As I understand it, she may still be right under Secretary Shulkin’s chief of staff. (Hint: I hope someone sends him a note to check.)

Yountville Veterans Home Shooter Albert Wong Details

Here are the basics you need to know about this tragic event.

Albert Wong was a well-decorated Army veteran who served in Afghanistan between 2011 to 2012. He reportedly held a license to work as a security guard and held tow firearms permits in California.

Wong suffered from PTSD and received mental health care from the Yountville Veterans Home in a program called “The Pathway Home” but was kicked out of the program earlier this week. It seems safe to conclude the care he received there was ineffective.

The Pathway Home is a nonprofit program aimed at providing therapy to veterans seeking treatment for PTSD and TBI who served in the most Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The program provides services to these veterans at Yountville Veterans Home near Napa, California. Yountville is a 600-acre campus providing care to 1,100 veterans.

Friday, Wong showed up at the facility wearing all black and body armor driving a rental car that was later flagged by bomb-sniffing dogs at the facility. The three victims of the shooting were reportedly linked to the mental health services received by the shooter.

The victims were executive director, Christine Loeber, 48, therapist Jen Golick, 42, and Jennifer Gonzales, 29, a psychologist with the San Francisco Department of Veterans Affairs Healthcare System.

Wong took more hostages but they were released.

The shooter and the three hostages were found deceased after a nearly seven-hour standoff. Details on the nature of the actual deaths are not known at this time. During the incident, police did not speak with Wong leading me to believe the victims were intentionally targeted.

Hopefully, investigators will provide more details as they become known. Autopsies on the bodies are scheduled for next week. I suspect VA OIG will evaluate if the agency could have done more to help prevent this tragedy.

The Takeaway

We need to know why Wong did not receive PTSD care in time to save lives. Did VA miss a step in his care? Why was he removed from the program and not effectively referred directly to a VA medical center? Did the Army’s Madigan fraud to prevent soldiers from getting PTSD treatment play a role?

Source: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-veterans-hostages-20180309-story.html

UPDATED: 03/10/18, 9:45 AM CST to add section on causes of PTSD and discussion of the difference between that condition and homicidial ideations.

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“”These brave women were accomplished professionals who dedicated their careers to serving our nation’s veterans and working closely with those in the greatest need of attention after deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

(Bet many will think the above is just a simple innocent statement. It isn’t that simple or innocent. Or since the word “woman” is mentioned just after national women’s day we are supposed to drop spit shine some shoes with out tongues, and not think or question.)

See the identity politics game right off the bat? Like we, meaning they at the VA, “professinals,’ are all good and perfect, and they, meaning we vets and others lower in the pyramid, are low life un-educated losers, too stupid to handle such things as pain meds or to know what helps or doesn’t. But we make for damn good guinea pigs and lab rats. Or targets if we dare question them or upset their apple cart or systems/dope/psych-speak that totally fail.

“Accomplished ‘professionals’ blah blah blah blah. If someone has the status of ‘professional’ and has the alphabet before or after their names must mean they are above some ridicule, inspection, questions, or having their egos bruised a little. We serfs and pawns are supposed to automatically bow, respect, trust, everyone in those classifications or country clubs? To swallow their PC-ness and intentional abuse. Even when they intentionally do harm, threaten, abuse, push head dope they know will ruin people, or talk insane trash to those in need, are desperate?

I bet I am really pissing some people off. Fine with me.

One of the many videos I watched over this when a person was simply asked “why” said he’d “prefer authorities to answer that.” Sound quality on a few were not that great, and ears ringing like hell today.

Sad part is I doubt if we will ever hear the truth about what went on there. Or what or how Wong was treated in a group or behind closed doors. Was he in a secret group under one of those special treatment contracts, forced dope, and no VA negativity allowed???

Is/was he like one guy I wrote you folks about out here about a TBI young man merely for calling his shrink a bitch. When I asked why none around answered but side-stepped the question other than say he had no right to use such language. But those present were not in the same room with ‘her’ and the vet needing help. All they heard was ‘bitch’ and the cops being called. Then later me out side in front talking to the guy, having no problems at all with him, stating he just needs help, someone real to talk to, and a change in meds. But those inside seemed to think he was all dangerous or being violent when was NOT. So he went to jail over the bitch word bruising an ego, and upsetting some vets who had lust for the shrink (yeah cute but not the point or should be) and went into female protection mode, white knights, to defend her honor in some sad-sick way.

Sorry for the loss of lives and condolences to their families, but. For me that does not over-shadow long standing, deep-rooted corruption, failed theories and treatments, the head dope, or things that are totally covered-up, protected, or supported by those elite at the top and all those professionals and all connected to them in any myriad of ways.

With what I have seen, been going through to-date, endured over the years, seen swept under the carpet, media refuses to report on, etc. I don’t and cannot trust anyone here especially those with the alphabet symbols, Coroners reports, hospital administration, self agenda driven employees, VA and civy. Then they all want something done after some tragedy happens but not when there are those out there dealing with daily constant attacks, threats, dealing with dirty politics to unions, health care workers, activist, et al, that don’t want anything negative spoken about their scum filled colleges, towns, medical facilities, whatever. Sad but true. No kind of investigators or investigative journalist, those smiling concerned faces in this state that care to jump in some mud to some truth. Might cost them their lofty jobs and positions, and won’t look cool doing the right thing for once. And may make them enemies for life and have to move out of state to work again, or to be safe from it all.

I am not a fly on the wall out west or know what’s going on. If it’s the same crap that happens here there is no way I will trust any talking head or ‘professional’ claiming to know it all or to place total blame on Wong. He should have been ‘in-patient’ instead of being like they do here…. kicked out or law called in on them for needing some decency and real help.

Len
Len

I see you love quoting the Bible, can you show where it says that it’s Godlike to call women cunts?

Anyway, you sound like an incel.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

@Lem well thank you for clearing that up for me. Since I’m none of that I’m going to assume it wasn’t talking about me.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

wtf is an incel?

Lem
Lem

Wylde…
What is an incel?

incel
aka “involuntarily celibate”, a person (usually male) who has a horrible personality and treats women like sexual objects and thinks his lack of a sex life comes from being “ugly” when its really just his blatant sexism and terrible attitude. incels have little to no self awareness; even when they see other “ugly” men with girlfriends, they consider these men to be tricksters who have somehow beat the system and can get women despite being cursed with unattractiveness (in other words, theyre respectful to women and women are attracted to their personalities, but incels cant comprehend such a phenomenon). they believe that women owe them sex, and many of the more extreme incels like to spend time in incel communities on the internet coming up with ways to make women have sex with them (often involving genocide of people of color, genocide of “Chads” (men who have sex), taking rights away from women, raping them, having sex with women’s dead bodies, and other horrid, disgusting things. they cant understand that that is PRECISELY why women want nothing to do with them).
I’m pretty sure Ryan is an incel. Yesterday he made a facebook post about how all women are shallow and exist to torture men by “denying” them sex, as if sex is something people “deserve”, and not a privilege given by potential sexual partners that should be respected.
#incel
by lizalfoe August 08, 2017

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Yes I will use certain words for effects if need be and applicable. Depending on mood too. Am I supposed to be courteous, nice, respectful, etc., to every varmint out there? To those that hate me, attack, or think they should have total rule over my life, thinking, words, speech, thoughts, religion, whatever? I have been respectful in the past but now days not so much. It doesn’t do much good to treat corrupt scum or activist decently when they do not give a damn about us, our rights, liberties, gender, safety, or ability to even go to town meetings and try to discuss issues with totally corrupt filth on all levels. Not with the filth, scum, liars, game players, demons, activist, youth/kiddies, “professionals,” politicians, lying media heads, journalist, etc., we deal with today. Especially with scum anti-American activist, commies, control freaks, the two faced hypocritical activist like NOW, “me too,” Antifa, Hollyweird garbage, the Vagina hats, and a long list of others.

A good book to read is “Who Stole Feminism.” I think was the proper title and explains it all and what it turned into. Oh, written by a female.

You young? What is “incel?” Is that like cray cray or some pop culture crap? Speak English suck-fish.

As for bible passages that is the first one I have thrown out here. Want another scum bag? “None are righteous no not one.” You one of the many who wants to throw what being “God-like” is all about, taking some kind of moral high ground while spewing filth or playing activist, anti-American or anti-vet? You “chosen” or a “Puritan?” A spiritual giant and judge? It’s really funny what some of you activist try to use on the rest of us who refuse to assimilate into your lefty scum ‘group-think,” or activist demands to fit in with your ilk.

Still a little bit of a free country isn’t it? Can’t stand the heat (or words) stay out of the kitchen or discussion snow flake. Even though I was a “snow flake’ or white bread all through public school so I don’t care to use that one too much. So with those like you, and encompasses many in this country today are mere… communist/MoveOn-scum, Marxist, demons, “children of the father of lies,” or one of the lost youth of the generations due to public education, social engineering, invading foreigners agenda, to activist. So if the shoe fits …. wear it. And by the way! Did you miss the sign a ten year old girls was holding up in a photo of the “Womens March?” Oh it was so lovely… and telling.. with an arrow pointing downward.. the sign read…”fear this cunt.” Unquote. That video was taken down fast and I wonder why. Hmmmm With toddlers and little boys around in the herd of filth too to see all this trash going on, among all those upstanding ethical demanding females. Oh gotcha, some can use certain words and do things others cannot. One set of laws for those peeps and another set of allowances for all others.

Get real.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

The Bible doesn’t call anybody to be “Godlike” it calls believers to be “Christlike” and since according to the Bible women are to submit themselves to the will of men, being inferior, and all, I imagine the old hebrew equivalent of cunt, which is נַרְתִיק btw, was bandied about on a daily basis.

Rose Christopher
Rose Christopher

Total agreement!!!
Finally someone speaking truth!

Karen T.
Karen T.

In fairness, every mental health facility I have gone to says that one cannot use foul language, or you will be removed. Seems to me if you are a professional working with veterans, you must realize that these men and women will use foul language, it’s part of the military vernacular, and if they are suffering from PTSD or other mental health illness, it’s often the case that there is no filter. Shouldn’t these professionals realize that. I use the term professional loosely because I suffer from PTSD, with severe anxiety and panic disorder. I have a lot more control over my ability to not curse or get angry, but I will tell you a story – My first day in treatment, I was stood up by my mental health counselor. he was a no show. I was supposed to see him for our first visit right before my orientation to the program. I went to the orientation, and there were 7 patients, 5 of whom were battling addiction (I do not drink or do drugs) and two of us were there for standard run of the mill ptsd, anxiety, panic disorder and depression, without substance abuse issues. Later that day, the counselor called me apologized and asked me to take off work yet again to show up that afternoon. he was there, but my new appointment was 30 minutes late. My next appointment, he was again late by 30 minutes, and I was the first appointment of the day. Long story short, the late appointments and missed appointments kept occurring, they removed all my medications previously prescribed by a psychiatrist who was no longer in my insurance plan – hence the reason I started seeing them. I ended up having a surgery, which had complications, and resulted in a second surgery, I almost died, When I was released from the hospital, 2 weeks after the second surgery, I received a telephone call from the mental health professionals, I explained I was unable to go to any new appointments due to my surgeries (I was not allowed to drive for 6 weeks after getting home, with home care from nurses 3 days a week and physical therapy 4 days a week), and that I anticipated being released to drive in about 6 weeks so I could go back to therapy (I had 70 staples, and 20 sutures from my ribs down to my groin, which were not even removed until three weeks after I went home). I received a letter from them about 2 weeks after the telephone call kicking me out of their program because I failed to attend. Not once did I curse, or get violent with them, when they screwed up. I cried. To top it all off, they tried to bill me illegally for amounts in excess of the insurance plan, sending me collection notices for thousands of dollars. I am an attorney so I was able to resolve that myself without further ado, but they treated me very poorly overall. I went back to my original treating psychiatrist, paying cash out of pocket, because I was in dire mental health straits by the time I was released to return to work. He got me back on the one medication that worked for me, and helped me file complaints against the other facility. Not everyone reacts the same way to the incompetence of “professionals”, and if his reaction was to become violent, they should have been aware of that.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

I tend to think of the whole “foul language” issue as a contest of wills.

On the one hand you have the treating “professional” making what may or may not be an unreasonable demand upon the person of a veteran to “modify” their behavior into something more “acceptable”. Here is the problem I tend to see. What is and is not acceptable is subjective. I as a person express myself in a particular way and I tend to say fuck and shit quite a lot. The problem I have encountered once already in therapy is that if I’m not allowed to express myself in my own fucking words just how the holy hell is somebody supposed to reach me and treat me? If I have to not only contend with my own internal shit storm but now also with a request to filter that shit storm into something that the treating “professional” deems appropriate? Fuck no. My therapy. My conditions. My words.

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Karen, I hope you’re doing better now-a-days, and all healed up.

I didn’t cuss for years since about 89 to just a few years ago and the bad habit came back. I won’t claim a title as “professional’ but as a volunteer and such for many years I came to learn how to tolerate and deal with a multitude of issues and people. Heck, I’ve worked in bars and titty joints etc., so there is no shock value there for me at all. Pissed people off and some would cuss me up one side and down the other… fine, no problems. I understood why, or the many reasons why. Most would come back and apologize and we could discuss some issues deeper and better. Some times things got very confrontational and a few times physical. But it comes with the territory, and so-called professionals, and I have seen some deal with it, can easily brush such things off as part of the job too. That includes Christian therapist too. Those professionals who can’t deal with some emotional flair-ups, bad words, rants, pillow punching, chaos, etc., probably have no business in that area of health care, period. Just depends on many things. There are just some people out there you can’t put strict demands on or verbal boundaries on. That’s like telling a country person to shut up and speak big city talk and jargon and follow the herd to be a good acceptable person.Some need time for ‘growth.’

Cassandra
Cassandra

In other words, you are one sicko monster totally effed up mentally, still. Blaming women, the victims here – for the murderer’s condition – got penis issues do you, like *president Small Hands? Of course it won’t ever sink in with you that we DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT MENTAL ILLNESS. We didn’t have thousands of women and children being targeted and killed each year by crazy jerks like you with guns back in the day – when crazy people were committed for life. So take your vicious hatred for women and stick it where the sun don’t shine, bud. Hopefully it will explode inside of you and you’ll put a bullet in your own brain first, saving some police officer the trouble of doing it for you in the future.

mary
mary

YIKES,,but ,”T,”,,,i do like your quote at the end,”Take no part in thee unfruitfullness of darkness,but expose them,”’,,,,,It appears many,,,both men and women of so-called professionals,,allow the illusions of thier rank to treat others like shit,,their ,”above,” the rest,,I have been called several words,,by so-called professionals,,but again the DELUSION THEIR RANK HAS DONE TO THEM,, is to think they know it all,,when the reality is,,,its the so-called ,professionals’,”’ who have gotten us into this mess,,right!!,,All of us,,were censored,,are not even allowed in 1 meeting in Washington,,for according to these ,’professionals’,” we don’t know what to do or how to fix it,,when we do..We know exactly how to fix this mess,,,,very simple,,,,LISTEN,,,,, that’s all they gotta do is L;ISTEN,, and stop w/the b.s. clinical shit and use some freaken common sense..but a paid for education by mommy /daddy does not give this idiots ,”common sense.Hell Ive seen idiots out of harvards come up w/thee stupidest answers’ to a problem,,that will only cause MORE hurt,,more dead,,,some are thinking that I exactly what they want,,,,us dead,,so the insurance companies do not have to pay for the chronic medically ill,,,or obviously the chronic mentally ill either,,,,soo the ceo can buy another house in florida,,,jmo,,maryw

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Another SnowFlake named Len

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Others should try, or imagine, living in a state, college town, filled with these ….. people? Or why I get harassing and threatening phone calls daily from sources like hospitals, clinics, etc. And their administrators like the local networks, VA, or governor, politicians do nothing and don’t care. Or why a white man hit and killed here by a mafia family won’t make it to the news with much more censored. The scum all know they will be, are, totally protected and will not suffer consequences for their actions… just like the crap from the VA, unions, et al. Then people may wonder why I draw the lines I have, want to know the particulars or connections about people in power or health care workers and the rest. That is why. Also why it does no good to vote when only phony neocons or Democrats will be ‘shoe-ed in’ or can run, only the corrupt need apply. All others just get hype, ignored, toyed with. When I say Indiana is totally occupied, finished, totally corrupt, evil to the core, I am not kidding and from DC down to Indianapolis, to small town Indiana know it. It’s all activist and corruption, cover-ups run rampant and destroy their perceived non-conformist enemies who don’t bow to them all or the Marx, commie, left. Sad, pathetic, totally un-American, but true. A lefty town + three major lefty colleges? Known to be the union, or socialist/Democrat strong-hold of Indiana? “Sin City or ‘Little Chicago or Chi town?” What fun for a truther or a so-called …”crusader.”

Then think why there are no real whistle blowers here, or will be. No news about the rotten VA or massive corruption will be known from media or out of state. I must be the only dummy in the state. What other blue collar worker or serve would dare talk negatives about the state or it’s filthy rotten soulless wealthy cliques who are akin to spawns from everything evil in the world. It’s all here. Oh but we have to support their games, race tracks, golf courses, cliques, etc. Or else.

Len
Len

Sorry that the scum around here got so triggered by you telling the truth. Keep being awesome!

LP
LP

Wow.
PEOPLE are targeted every day. Not just women and children stop over thinking “T’s” rant.

namnibor
namnibor

Anyone else notice there’s quite a pronounced ‘ass’ within ‘Cassandra’, or was it just me that noticed that particular swamp monster?

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

Congratulations on being a world class cunt. Go do something useful with your time…like making your partner a sammich.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

And the SnowFlake of the moment award goes to “Cassandra”!

It really is too bad these three woman took over a program that was originally run by Veterans. Back when the program worked!

Clearly when the VA took over the program and put marriage counselor, a teen ager drug specialist and a VA researcher in charge with the goal of making the organization profitable and not helping Veterans.

Of course this was going to happen.

Thank you for your whining SnowFlake!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Thousands of women and children being targeted and killed?

And then you suggest a veteran commit suicide?

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Wow Cassandra! What a nasty little Marx-feminist C___t you are. I thought I would hit a nerve mentioning the identity politics issue and those glorified “professionals’ especially the female ones we are to bow to and kiss their asses as expected/demanded. You filthy left wing activist know damn well what I am referring to and why. Are you a big fan of Hollywood and Orpah? Must be. Bet you get your info from the “Daily Chew” or the “View” with Barf-har and the other fem scum. Got your vagina hat on too?! Bet if you have a male child you make him wear a pink one too you drag along in your sick parades, make him play with dollies, and if married you force your husband to vote straight Demoncrat and join in on the phony women’s march’ for equality…but isn’t actually about equality or rights is it? You lying heifers. It’s about destroying the male, total emasculation, and our country you foul beast.

I was told by one of your kind at the VA I had no business or right to dare question a highly VA trained and educated woman about her job or what she has done.’ But it was her doing the felonies, deleting medical files and so-called private and secure communications between me and my health care clinics and ‘so-called professionals.” There again you must be another butt-hurt professional, or local hospital piece of activist trash, who got her super inflated pathological ego bruised then which she suffered severe knee-jerk reactions from putting her pad and panties in a horrible twist. So sorry, sounds like some personal issues for you not mine. Your words or attitude are shit to me sister. Same with all your cliques, sororities, female colleges, or all those other man hating clitoris’ clubs?

Where did I specifically ‘blame’ the women? Having knee-jerk reactions are we there with your being the one with phallic issues? Probably lack of. Then you turn out to be a real Trumpster hater and as a true left winger fem activist mentioning his “small hands.” Hell, I voted against Hillary, not FOR Trump, and am disappointed in that too. I mostly vote that way… the lesser of two evils. Then on to YOUR thinking YOU know how vets or those with mental illnesses are to be treated and how? Then you label me as “crazy’ and you know nothing about me? Just from an epistle? I think I know who and what you are and where you live. You sound just like the local scum Marxist and college NOW, Antifa slime, and such I deal with daily. I feel the love! It helps people to see how some people/activist/Marx-C__ts/haters from the far left really are. Even the “professionals” and those who fill hospitals and other places where they can flex their feminine wiles and powers, oh my! Maybe screw their way to the top like good ol’ Hollywood actors do, and others do, then yell victim status when rolling in power and the bucks. Hypocrites. Then ruining it all for real victims out there who need the media and spot-light. Or female vets that need the focus/investigations instead of entertainers and paid activist and actors or the illegal whiners in the street with nothing better to do while waiting on food stamps and EBT cards to fill. To buy more American flags to burn. Yeah right.

There is no having dialog or discussions with scum like you and all connected in your networks of destruction and evil filth. You and I and your other left winger activist demanding tolerance while oppressing, censoring, threatening others, thinking men are to be door-mats, showing totalitarianism and intolerance…. have zero in-common. Nothing. Your Marx-feminist corrupt ass just hit a brick wall with this man. I will not conform to your crap or your ilk. So much for your loving globalist styled far left communitarian communities and perfect female run villages huh? Now back to the kitchen with your nasty ass. You are NOT a real woman, probably not a vet, far from being like my momma, and defineltly not a decent human being unfit to be equal with others in a community. Let alone trying to silence all other you disagree with and hate due to identity politics while your pursue your own agendas of hate and silencing all others but those just like your kind of ilk.

Have a nice day ho. You show why trust or respect is earned… not just given when demanded or wanted. And please try to not leave snail trails around for us old men to slip on, okay? You Porcupine. You got stuff on you and in YOUR heart Bon Ami or Lysol can’t scrub off you nasty Cultural Marx- feminist.

“Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” – Ephesians 5:11

Copy that? Hoosier Cass.

Donald Avant
Donald Avant

This is what multiple deployments and lack of effective treatment of PTSD leads to. And why was there NO mentuion of this tragic incedent in the B’ham news.

Vester Easterling
Vester Easterling

MULTIPLE DEPLOYMENTS, AND YES I AM SHOUTTING. ARE YOU HEARING ME NOW?
These multiple deployment have giving our Veterans new and different problems. The Veterans Admin and the V. A. Hospitals MUST do a better job. We need better and more trained health workers, not just new interns just out of med schools.

LP
LP

A main problem is the rule set these PCPs are told to follow. Its fucking backwards.

namnibor
namnibor

Damn!

Violence is NOT the answer, brothers and sisters. This is my fear every time there’s an active shooter situation, that it’s will be a Veteran, not that any shooter situation is ok, it’s just that both the media and the fucking VA will use this to further vilify us and alienate us, regardless of any PTSD reform…and here we are.

PTSD sucks. Anxiety/Depression sucks…but if it becomes overwhelming please seek help and if the VA is screwing any of us, maybe cliché, but the pen is still mightier than the sword and the VA absolutely HATES bad publicity…
…if any positive comes from this, I pray it brings light on how the VA is fucking over Veterans and maybe also bring a closer national spotlight on that particular VA facility…there’s much more to this story and the VA will quickly try to bury this and Sec. Shulkin will and the AFGE will use this to ask for more $$$ for protection from us Veterans.
Oh, I predict another round of VA offering via the psych hacks…free gun locks….get your free gun locks from uncle sugar. How many do you need? Where do you keep them? Yes, we have duplicate keys to your free gun locks and kept handy by VA’s disruptive goon squads. Wait for it.

Violence is not ever the answer. Ever. And…FUCK YOU, VA for turning yet another brother away from care and likely the VA was the very trigger…and catalyst for his snapping.

(a part of me also wants to believe this is a false flag event to bring the heat off Shulkin…wait for it…)

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

Violence is absolutely an answer when one is fighting a war. And if we’re being honest we need a lot more of it.

T
T

Nam, that is the one major reason I just walked away from VA care to not attending local town meetings or some public events. When activist, ‘professionals,’ elected officials, and rest intentionally ignore us due to mere politics or wanting to expose corruption, ask why VA staff can break laws or threaten, to simply asking for term limits in political offices… we become their enemies and the word is spread throughout their networks for gossip, character assassination, to retaliation. Any harm they can do they will, gladly, with smiles on their faces cause they know they can get by with it and media and their cliques will support and defend it all.

Seems that is a tactic many fall for. Like the VA wanted me to play. City scum too. Come on our turf to discuss complaints or issues, let us threaten, use scare tactics, accuse you, force you in a corner, stand nose to nose and spray venom in our face, throw their fits behind closed doors, bring up personal or ‘private’ medical information, talk trash then wait for the response from us. They intentionally drive and corner some people like rats into some kind of action. Like they use corrupt attorneys and thugs here to do that after meetings when the minutes have ceased, or after in parking lots, or being followed home by any of them. What fun living in a totally corrupt state and town.

I used to park near a side-walk and in front of the VA here or there. Noticed my rear view mirrors being broken, new dents and smashes, and vehicle keyed down the sides to bloody bandages being thrown in the back, if a truck. I thought WTF. After a while and a change in parking habits, long waits, I got to see why that was happening. It wasn’t anything personal or against me. It was vets leaving the hospital down the main paths so pissed off they were giving everybody out front the finger at times, cussing, yes keying vehicles and intentionally breaking side mirrors with crutches, slamming doors into other vehicles, etc. Some driving out of the lots in the wrong lanes and directions cussing, waving arms and fingers all the way out and very obviously pissed off beyond control. Others out in the lots not wanting to look and see what the hell was going on, didn’t want to know I guess. Big city living? Not hard to wonder why for some of us who have seen the under-belly shit sack of the VA and it’s operators.

That and more just makes me wonder what dope the VA had them on. What was said to them or what threats and insane demands were put on them. Did they get to see some VA staff burn-out episodes or lashing out at patients. Behind closed door crap. Denied care or some working treatment. Had to deal with activist and identity politics?

So how far did they push Mr. Wong or others out there? Violence and harm to others, or killing some idiot that really needs it, is not the answer. Did they know he could be pushed over-board we will never know. I do know that censoring over the past thirty years or more locally has not helped the issues at hand or helped vets. Neither is stopping physical meeting groups for tele-groups. Or local media and politicians, activist, media, college lefties, Marxist, not wanting vets to group up or those harmed by anyone to seek out each other to compare notes and find a remedy to all the evil shit that goes on here. Nope. Might expose too much and now the censoring is nationwide and worsening by the hour. Nope two/3 kinds here not allowed to group-up, form support groups, form some coalition for change. ie veterans harmed and threatened by the VA and civy care, those dealing with dirty corrupt politics/VSOs, and us evil white boys who will automatically be labeled Supremacist or misogynist. Pure facts. And things will remain the same and worsen. Like you say…”just wait for it.” I have for years and seen much come to pass and get worse. Seen history re-written and lied about to make things, towns, people, scum, look good.

Also, false flags do not mean that innocent people do not get harmed, they do. Collateral damages to promote an agenda, distractions, or emotional event for knee-jerk reactions are real. Like bombing civilians… who cares today. It’s all not mere tin foil hat conspiracy theories or from lizard people living at the Earth’s core. Hmmmm. Lizard people…. looking at DC faces and Shulky. May have to check that out. Soul-less eyes like sharks and demons. Hmmm.

namnibor
namnibor

The VA will utilize this tragedy to mandate VA TeleMental Health, so the VA mental health providers do not have to be in the proximity of Veterans and Shulkin and all the VSO’s will go congress committees with open hats asking for oodles of $$$$ for IT fixes so the VA can vastly expand use of Telemedicine Psych Hacks…and I predict the VA now purchasing vast quantities of body armor…extra, extra, extra large body armor for all the engorged purple teams to wear around us scary Veterans.

Maybe the VA’s legion of interior decorators and designers could make nice calming patterns on that body armor….

(I think we Veterans may be collectively fucked….)

T
T

I agree. VA is nothing more than socialist styled one size fits all treatments and such. We are all alike. The PCP BS is all about passing us around so others, so called specialist, in the med fields can make their money too. For doing the same things a PCP quack could do at the time in their clinic. More socialist crap and modern greedy med practices, and to hell with patient care VA or not. “Collectively fucked’ is the same as “collective punishments” for all across the board and to hell with individual rights, concerns, needs, or treatments.

WE can’t connect over this in Indiana or form groups for protest, oh not here. I don’t see anyone else out in the streets for us, but sure do over support for Antifa, the vagina hat cliques, support for the Marxist, open borders, college kiddy antics, and others. Guess there is plenty out there to notice where we all stand and what’s important to who. All others have free speech, can create focus groups, we get censored and trashed. Yep, we have been for years, and – will be- collectively fucked. No maybe about it.

Try to have a good day people. Get well Ben.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

I knew Indiana was gestapo land but is it really that far gone that vets are barred from peaceably assembling? Got any links?

T
T

Sorry no links but I can sit with someone and easily show them how bad the censoring is or how they go about using methods and labels to stop us from grouping up, starting a home church, to having simple meetings at the coffee shops we used to have. Until many died off and we tried to get others for our coffee sessions to discuss issues and how to go about trying to get other locals to join in and share some horror stories and such.

Any links or old websites that could show some truth about Indiana or my town of ilk has been long gone. No negativity allowed around here, none. Just perfection, fairy dust, Unicorns, happy happy happy lefty utopian living here. Barf.

We have collections, copies, screen shots from being censored and banned over the years from the local news sites that disallowed anyone from the slightest disagreements with some local issue, or not agreeing with the local college crowd or Demoncrats who control the joint. Before they closed them down here we were censored and banned from the Trib Star news comment sections, their chat boards, Eve forums, Hey Martha forums to Topix that is still heavily censoring anything that may disagree with local politics or the herd. Fully supported by state reps and all local politicians, mafias, Freemasons, cliques, colleges, lefties, etc. Nope, just like true Marxist or old Soviet styled living here. Just waiting for the raid or firing squads to begin. But they prefer slow death and inability to attain health care after daring to denounce and challenge VA care and all their activist and corrupt filth.

I have some solid proof of local covering for the VA. A long list of phone numbers, phony ones too giving threats, some that claim out of service, others coming from a local hospital and clinic that I foolishly went to after the VA. Not knowing I was going into a Hornets nest of Marx-Fems and other assorted activist and family members of the local council members that have hated me for years due to my politics and hating town corruption and nepotism. The men of the movers, shakers, councils, the elite use the Marx fems to do their dirty work since they can get by with much more, then protected by dirty politics and the dirty legal system and all the activist.

I even tried ads on Craig’s List trying to find witnesses from VA incidents or other vets wanting to form groups or or meet for coffee and share stories. All I got was hate, no other bites. And running around talking things over with local VSOs and groups claiming to help vets, nada. Or certain issues were not their cup of tea or on their agenda or list to do. Too much fear, too much Identity politics, too much retaliation and harassment to find others who want to join in the fun, share stories, have a cup of coffee, or dare being seen with others like me. Truth, open discussion, reality, healing, hope… not wanted here… it’s all forbidden.

BARRY LAFLEUR
BARRY LAFLEUR

I have suffered PTSD most of my life.

There is no effective treatment. What people call treatment is nothing more than monitoring.

This is how Americans treat PTSD.

They call you crazy, they make loud noise to see if they can trigger you. They Harrah and intimid ate you until you get mad, then they call the police.

I am not talking about thugs on the street, I am talking about police and firefighters.

Specifically, Rhode Island police and firefighters. They did this to me.

Accused me of being suicidal, accused me of being homicidal, told police I was crazy and violent. Accused me of threatening to kill a public official with an ak47.

In reality, I have never owned a weapon or threatened any person. I have no criminal record and have been receiving this treatment for thirty years straight.

IWhile out injured from fighting a fire, the city did things to me that done to any other person would be assault and battery and attempted murder.

I’m sorry to tell you this but some people deserve these mass killings.

Today I am jobless, homeless, no medical care and no basic human rights.

Yes, I served, not in war. The war I am fighting is coming to me from Americans that never served anything but themselves.

So yes, I can see how a veteran with PTSD could snap and kill what the media portrays as innocent people. I know better.

So, when the Warwick Rhode Island fire chief knowingly filed false reports about me and the police arrested me knowing I was innocent and no person was held to account for putting my life in jeoparfy, for assaulting, battering and molesting me in my home, for kidnapping me and putting me in a psych ward based on false accusations, I can see why veterans kill.

And until America gets its head screwed on right. I expect this to become normal. That is what the second amendment is for.

Having PTSD since early childhood is much different than getting it in your late teens and early twenties. I handle it much better than most but it is still killing me just the same, especially when my torments are public officials, police and worst of all, the Warwick Rhode Island fire fighters who are hellbent on being slaughtered with an AK47 for some ungodly reason.

If you want to know why people with PTSD mifht want to kill what the media portrays as innocent people, go to Warwick and talk to the police and fire departments, they seem to have it down to a science.

I I of course am still unarmed and have no desire to own a weapon or kill a person. No matter how hard they try to incite me to violence.

I am an artist. I build things. If I ever get basic human rights and my property returned I will do that again, until then, I will sit back and watch people kill each other and pray for a war that ends this country.

LP
LP

A main problem is the rule set these PCPs are told to follow. Its fucking backwards.
Anyway, there is an FDA Approved MDMA PTSD treatment…look it up. Awesome. Haha

M disabled veteran
M disabled veteran

BARRY LAFLEUR March 10, 2018 at 6:07 am
I have suffered PTSD most of my life.

I hear ya man…me too….since very early childhood.

This is something I wrote while under severe duress at the hands of the very evil VA system of crooks in my town:

The Military Man’s Request

The military man said as he was boarding the plane, boat or personnel carrier for war to his family and townsmen and women, “I will put my life on the line for the good of the whole but, you must promise to take good care of me if I return. That is all I ask. I do not want you to kiss my hand, just treat me with respect and give me the dignity I deserve and have earned.”
© 2017

When I showed it to them they were not amazed or empathetic.

The key word is in my writing is “…if…”.

What do you think?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Given the selection of those taken hostage and then killed it is clear that they were selected and not picked by random chance.

According to the Pathway Home website’s leadership page.

Christine Loeber, MSW LCSW ⋅ Executive Director
Jennifer Golick, PhD LMFT, Clinical Director

As for the third person Jennifer K Gonzales, Psy.D., is a Clinical Psychologist with the Student Veteran Health Program at San Francisco VA Medical Center (SFVAMC). Her bio is posted on the PsychArmor Institute Website stating she was currently spending her time between working on campus with veterans at Napa Valley College and working at The Pathway Home residential treatment program.

namnibor
namnibor

Yep, this was a CLEAR vendetta for what I am betting they not only terminated his care, but it will be found he had been tormented by the VA’s own Disruptive Behavior Committee goons, which get their very best marching orders and ideas from…the Psych Dept Hacks. They probably abruptly cut-off his meds as well.

I know the tactics, as I too have lost a few Veteran best friends by the VA doing exactly that…pushing a Vet to seek meds/relief from street drugs, dismissed/discharged then only to freeze to death hours later on VA parking garage in coldest winter since ever…yeah, the VA is the catalyst, but they will not paint it as such and this event will only embolden these assholes at the VA and I bet Curt Cashour is editing the details as we breath right now…Cashour’s just waiting for the industrial barrels of whitewash…

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

My first comment on this has to do with the reporting by Ben.

“Before diving too deeply into the details, it is vital to remember the US Army engaged in a massive fraud for many years between 2001-2012. There, Army leaders were repeatedly caught refusing to diagnose soldiers with PTSD to avoid giving the benefits and mental health care services they required to save a buck.”

Slapping a label, other than PTSD, on a vet has been going on for FAR longer than just 2001. Do some better reporting on the issue please.

I have to commend Mr. Wong. It seems he came up with a plan for payback and it worked. It appears that he got into the event and let most folks go before settling on the people that wronged him. Mr Wong isn’t some crazed gunman. He executed his task against the enemy. There is nothing worse than being betrayed by somebody who is “there to help”.

It’s funny that Pathway is being constantly labeled a “Non-profit” which we all know to be complete bullshit. Anything associated with the VA is ALWAYS FOR PROFIT.

While everybody else is wringing their hands and anguishing over how this could happen. Allow me to be the first to publicly state. Well done Mr. Wong. I commend your bravery in confronting the enemy. You, Sir, are a shining example of what we as soldiers and vets must do to hold the goddamned line.

If your going to write some long winded post about how I’m wrong and blah blah blah blah. Do yourself a favor and save some brain cells. I’m simply not interested. We need more Albert Wongs in this world.

Lem
Lem

This has been going on since WWI. The diagnosis “adjustment disorder.” Covered TBI until 2008. And still does for many.

march hare
march hare

The VA don’t even want to talk to a vet that dosn’t take there anti-depressant drugs. They need to flatline you mentally so you don’t give a fuck about anything, good or bad, then they claim a hollow victory. Hell I’ve seen animals get better care at the veterinary hospital, wish they would treat me but the veterinarian said he can’t. What the VA did to Viet Vets is dispicable and every other group of veterans too. When it comes to ptsd all doctors suck, the bleepin, bleep, bleep,bleep, bleepers. The doctors today can’t think on there own anymore, there all instructed, they have guidelines and don’t go outside the box.

march hare
march hare

The Native American Vets in my opinion have the best treatment going for ptsd The Humble Sweat Lodge,.

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

The VA is in the process of using the sweat lodge. It’s called the Hyperbaric/hyperbolic chamber…they just blow a different kind of smoke up your ass…

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s some things I’d like to say.
Some of y’all have touched on it – “psychotropic drugs!”
Have y’all noticed, almost all (TV & radio) stations have been increasing commercials on medications helping people with multiple medical conditions? Including, mental health issues!
These meds, many of which have “side effects” – including “homicidal and suicidal ideations”, are/were given to many/majority (not all) mass shooters since Columbine Apr 20, 1999!
Which now includes the shooter down here in Florida on Feb 14, 2018!

I would venture to say, Wong was on some form of drug for his PTSD! Until that is discussed, we won’t know the “WHY” he did this! There’s more to this “act” than what the MSM’s are telling! The three people he kept as hostages have been not been exposed as to the WHY in this case!

Secondly, During Obama’s Reign as potus, he called us “TERRORISTS”! That’s a fact! We on here have reported it, and gave the source behind it!
I’m not sure about y’all, only I don’t like that!
His administration was hell-bent on “gun control confiscation”! Why would he, along with the Dems and Rino’s, want to disarm veterans? What is their agenda? Is it because veterans are trained to fight injustices against people who can’t defend themselves!!!!!
Look at what’s been occurring against men for decades! If y’all haven’t noticed, men have been taught to become little pussies! Only those who stayed strong, stayed being men!

Also, Obama’s administration was also hell-bent on gutting the WHOLE Constitution and Bill of Rights! Not just the “First & Second Amendments”! “Due Process” is becoming a part of history for many Americans!

Third; I do not advocate any form of violence. Even though some do.
“Violent confrontations”, in today’s PC culture, will never be reported truthfully by the MSMs!
This has been proven to be the case in many, if not all, “shooting incidents” since before the Columbine shooting back in 1999! Until the networks report truthfully about anything occurring in our Republic, it’s nothing more than a futile attempt at regaining freedom!

Lastly, google this title, it will show y’all exactly what incidents like this will only produce; (it’s 7:31 min long)

“Watch: The Video Gun Controllers Are Terrified Of!”

Del. Freitas (R-Va) tells it straight. BTW, Mr Freitas is running against Tim Kaine for the Senate. Y’all remember Kaine, he was Hillary’s VP pick.

Quote: “We are a Republic, ma’am! For as long as you can keep it!”
Dr. Ben Franklin (c. 1789)

J. B.
J. B.

I agree with you Crazy Elf……I just had an old girlfriend hang herself, and she was on those anti-depressants. She even looked it up on how to do it on the internet that same morning. Her Psych was not talking at the Memorial……and yes……it has become a female world. Men have fallen. Look at all the commercials on T.V. Women wanting their men to waste themselves on Viagra or something similar, so they can get some pokin’ done. Feminine Hygiene Commercials in your face. Women in charge of PTSD programs…..c’mon….what the Hell,…..and they may be smart and have high IQ’s, but they are dealing with powder kegs, ….not limping lambs…..and now unfortunately, some of them are gone because……someone lit the fuse……This whole world needs to straighten up, and the VA needs to get their ‘shit’ together. Get combat vets dealing with PTSD victims, not valadictorian PTSD experts, who have all the credentials. I feel sad for those ladies, but this was bound to happen……sooner or later…

Larry
Larry

I was diagnosed withPTSD in 1978 and ask for help, and received NONE utill 2015 thru the Choice program, suddenly there is treatment at the VA clinic so I forced into that lousy program. After16 months of no results I quit. The head shrink called and ask me “why”
I replied by saying “I ask for treatment for years and was ignored, then I get 50 minutes every 6 weeks and drugs and nothing else.
The VA mental health workers work at the VA because they can’t get a job that pay’s what the VA pays, not the BS “I want to help veterns”
As long as there is the union involved our treatment will never get better.

Dennis
Dennis

A diagnosis of Homicidal Ideation left untreated by VA might merit serious attention in this matter, but PTSD untreated or otherwise has not been established as a causitive factor in premeditated murder/suicides.

I realize the thrust of the article relies on an underlying asumption that PTSD behaviors are what was witnessed in this murder scene but that is a faulty assumption. If the man was discharged from a PTSD facility then logically it could be that his diagnosis of Homicidal Ideation was a mode of treatment they could not offer because PTSD and Homicidal Ideation are NOT the same diagnosis.

Let me pitch a legitmate beef here about how this is being reported as an issue related somehow to a diagnosis of PTSD. Just check the murder stats in America and it is pretty well conclusive murder suicide combos happen across the spectrum of citizens and not just the ones who attended PTSD treatment and got removed because it was not what they needed to have treated.

M disabled veteran
M disabled veteran

VA employees at all levels treat their patients in a condescending way. Shut up and do as you are told is their demeanor.

They are BITCHY, RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL….nearly always!!!

We, Military Veterans, do not deserve such treatment.

The Military Man’s Request

The military man said as he was boarding the plane, boat or personnel carrier for war to his family and townsmen and women, “I will put my life on the line for the good of the whole but, you must promise to take good care of me if I return. That is all I ask. I do not want you to kiss my hand, just treat me with respect and give me the dignity I deserve and have earned.”

Lem
Lem

You forgot the “thank you for your service” (but fuck you for your treatment benefits, I’m the God here)

Lem
Lem

( equal implied )

Vester Easterling
Vester Easterling

Well stated, and soooo very needed with more understanding from those of us who have served. And those of us who have never served. To all those people who have never been around the military or their families, we try to give our “all”, being the best we can. And all we ask of you is to remember and care for our Veterans and their families when they come home from the Wars.
YOU KNOW NOT THE PRICE OF WAR, UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN THEIR BOOTS. And yes, I am SHOUTTING.

M disabled veteran
M disabled veteran

Hear, hear!

Thank you for your service to our country.

My intent with what I have written and copyrighted is not to manipulate but….educate.

Let me share one more of my writings:

You Can’t Get More Stupid Than That

We agree that war is stupid. Can we all agree that…the war on stupidity…must continue?

Along those lines…

“I think that ignorantly stupid people are very dangerous to our society but, stupidly ignorant people are far more dangerous.”

So, can we fix stupid…yet? You’d be rich if you could.
© 2018

What do you think? Most people I hand this small piece of paper to to read want to hit me because they think I am insulting them….heehee. I would never but…if I did…

Denis Colomb
Denis Colomb

I suffer from multiple types of PTSD and believe that not all types warrant removal of weapons. Bottomline is if you are dissassociating, detaching, or unable to control the hostility you of all people should know you don’t need a gun. Here is an interesting question…..Guns have been around in our culture for along time with semi automatics a norm for some time. Why all of a sudden can veterans not keep themselves in check. I believe it is men today are weak co.pared to past generations and this is playing itself out on many levels….we have become weak entitled whiners…. This may make sime mad but i suffer from the same issues and can honestly say it. Fight the demon and stop making excuses.

Jake
Jake

Personally I think there is something more going on.. It ain’t just Veterans that are going ‘off’ reservation. We are seeing more and more ‘normal’ people suddenly turn and go deadly.

The woman that suddenly drove her car into a crowd a couple years ago, the person who just started stabbing people, shooters out of the blue that people describe as nice normal types… people that not one person saw issue with.. yet they suddenly just flipped out and went mental and murderous?

Sure some of the people ARE and do have problems and it was missed.. i.e. florida shooter is just one example. But look at so many others without any signs at all..

In all honesty, I am surprised there have not been more Veterans going off the deep end.. I think that in itself says something about us… The number of Veterans going off like this is minuscule compared to civilians suddenly losing it….

I don’t know.. I am not a doctor.. but I have to wonder if we are not seeing the beginning stages of some major incoming problems brought on by years of our food and our environments being laced with all kinds of chemicals on top of genetic DNA manipulation to the same..

Nature creates things a certain way for a reason.. and no one can deny that for a few decades now, we have been doing all sorts of things to the very food and water we drink.. without ANY idea of the long term impact to the human body and brain…

Call me what you will.. But I for one, think mankind could very well be the cause of the myriad of ‘mental’ and psychological breaks at an increasing rate that we are seeing now…

Lem
Lem

Denis, it is a different era. Yesteryear vets could hide in work gangs, ride the rails, work low stress jobs found on some ranches or farms run by caring men who went or stayed behind but understood. Sweat it out on “gandy gang” rail road crews, etc.

You can’t make enough to get by and hold your head up that way anymore. So you are demeaned by having to seek “assistance” and then demeaned further in an attempt to put you in a job you can’t do.

Yes, some of us have “sucked it up” and gotten by. But there are a lot who didn’t have the adaptive skills taught to them growing up. They have no tools in their basket so they become basket cases.

OHIO VA NEPOTISM/VA PEDOPHILA RING
OHIO VA NEPOTISM/VA PEDOPHILA RING

LEM.
1. Well said. This is true. Technology has advanced and we now live in a professional society. The jobs a veteran could live on, like in the 50s and 60 are NO longer there. And we can’t live on them now! We can not hide any more at a blue collar working class labor jobs. And that kind of work is NOT for some of us veterans and former soldiers! And it is NOT fair to put some of us in labor jobs! WE were A1s when we went in and entered into the military. Smart people with great earning potention before the military. After the military. It takes a great deal of concentration to stay employed at these professional jobs today. In this modern world. Some of us are injured mentally from the military. Our brains are injured.

2. Often your working around very competitive people today. Women. very very unsympathic. Women are tough to work around if you are an injured male soldier. If our brains are not healthy. We are at disadvantage in this modern world. Imagine coming in. With MDD. Anxieity disorder, Or PTSD, etc from the military. Something of that nature. And being a veteran or former soldier! The employment era for veterans has changed. And now, if somebody we work around, simply says something. We’re finished. We’re easily harassed and bullied because we’re vulnerable, and injured and very, very easy targets for this non veteran civilians. The cops are called. We are dangerous. That is it. Crime (s) or charge (s) are manufactured on us, and that is it…

3. The VA is suppose to be safety net. The VA is suppose to be a SAFE PLACE for us. WELL IT IS NOT! But when you come into the VA, and all you do is experience bull shit. And then! Then we’re suppose to get all these benefits. All what benefits? All these benefits! For real? BULL SHIT! That is bull shit and lies too.

4. When you come into the VA. All you hear is Bull shit from Non veterans, Non Veteran Catholics, Leftist, and Draft dodgers like Peter M. Barach Aka “THE PIG of PARMA” Heights Ohio VA, “THE PARMA PIG” Ohio VA. Peter M. Barach NPI#1396773610 Ohio Medical License No.3280 Draft Dodger 1970-1973 Deferment for Mental Illness. Jewish Leftist Liberal Marxist Social Democrat Louis Stokes VA Cleveland Ohio. “Frankenstein of Shaker Heights Cleveland Ohio. Flunked out of John Hopkin University and ended up at Ann Arbor Michigan. Majoring in “CHILDREN” Then ends up at the WESTERN RESERVE COLLEGE across the street from his house at SHAKER HEIGHTS CLEVELAND OHIO, and spends a life time there and finally graduates. Academic Incest. The Western Reserved College has connection to the VA Louis Stokes Cleveland Ohio, and VA Parma Heights Ohio.

5. “The Parma Pig” Ohio VA. “THE PIG of PARMA”Peter M. Barach NPI#1396773610 Ohio Medical License No.3280 Forensic Whore, and Forensic Prostitute paid over and over and over again by the VA to give the VA exactly what they need to sabotaged injured veteran’s and disabled former soldier’s claims and benefits. Creating bogus disorder(s) out of thin air. “WATCH ME PULL A RABBIT OUT OF MY HAT”, Peter M. Barach. Magically creating bogus diagnsoses! People had helped PETER M. BARACH here at the VA, and through out his life. Peter M. Barach The VAs LAPDOG. Paid over and over against to fuc Veterans. The VAs Paid BITCH! The only ones getting paid at the VA are non veteran employees, that social networked to get into the VA for great paying jobs and great benefits…

6. As a note:
Medical Center Director SUSAN M. FUEHRER VA Louis Stokes Cleveland Ohio knows exactly what PETER M. BARACH is doing and had done to ME. And to a lot more injured veterans and disabled former soldiers over the last two decades! SUSAN M FUEHRER’s assistant is JEFF MCPEAKS Phone 216-791-3800 ex.4070. You paid this mother fucker, PETER M BARACH to fuck shit up. And pass the fucked up shit along to the BVA VA Director TONY MILIONS! Just one part in the machine. You paid him to cause confusion, and lie. And attempt to Sabotage benefits that I earned honorably! You paid Peter M. Barach to “Cherry Pick” inappropriately and manipulate a C and P exam of mine. And he (Peter m. Barach) did what you PAID him to do. Peter M. Barach did this, from only 5% of the total medical notes (Using another NAM Draft Dodgers Medical Notes). Peter M Barach manipulate medical notes and cut and paste it, bull shit. And then created a disorder out of thin air. LIKE FRANKENSTEIN, Peter M. Barach is. Just like Frankenstein, Peter M. Barach is…

7. PETER M. BARACH lied. He lied a lot and lied often on my C and P exam. Peter M Barach also insulted me in the 1 hour and 15 minute C and P interview. He harassed and badgered me. He omitted my answers. In addition, Peter M. Barach lied to me. YOU (SUSAN M. FUEHRER) issued apology (s) letter(s) to both me and Senator Sherrod Brown (D) Ohio, and YOU (SUSAN M FUEHRER) issued apology letter (s) to other state of Ohio representatives FOR PETER M. BARACH’a sickness,”GROSS” misconduct, VA misrepresentation, and WRONG-DOING. THEREFORE you paid this idiot to fuck ship up (OF mine). This Forensic WHore (PETER M. BARACH) to come in, and fuck shit up. MY SHIT YOU FUCKED UP! SO. YOU (SUSAN M. FUEHRER) can pay somebody else to come in and fix his (PETER M. BARACH) fucked up shit up. FIX MY SHIT! It is NOT my responsibility to fix PETER M. BARACH’s fucked up shit up and misconduct, VA misrepresenation, and his WRONG-DOING, that YOU (SUSAN M. FUEHRER) apologized for. YOU FIX it! NOT ME! I AM THE DISABLED VETERAN. I AM THE INJURED FORMER SOLDIER! YOU FUCKED IT UP. SO YOU FIX IT!

8. SO. You (SUSAN M. FUEHRER Medical Center Director VA Louis Stokes Cleveland Ohio) still have NOT offered a re-traction of the corrupt C and P exam to the BVA TONY MILIONS Director VA Cleveland, that you apologized for to me and the Senator, senator Sherrod Brown (d) Ohio. You passed this fools craziness along, “KNOWINGLY”. YOU (SUSAN M. FUEHRER) can fix this, and YOU can do that. YOU paid this forensic whore. You paid this forensic fraud, and you paid this Forensic Prostitute to screw shit up and cause confusion with the BVA. SO. YOU (SUSAN M. FUEHRER) can fix this.
ALSO. Nor have you notified VA BVA DIRECTOR TONY MILIONS VA Cleveland OHIO of this WRONG-DOING by PETER M. BARACH. And explained to him (TONY MILIONS) what had happened, and YOU NOT notified him of a re-traction of the C and P Exam! YOU have NOT done that yet! SUSAN M. FUEHRER Medical Center Director VA Louis Stokes Cleveland Ohio. PHone 216-791-3800 ex4070 Assistant to Susan M. Fuehrer is Jeff McPeaks. One of Three Supervisors to PETER M. BARACH is Ms Ellery Mallard Phone 216-739-7000 Ex2509.

9. To add:
It is interesting. Peter M. Barach NPI#1396773610 Ohio Medical License No.3280 writes on his C and P exam (s). “I HAVE NO TIES WHAT-SO-EVER TO THE VA. I AM OBJECTIVE!” But yet he has three supervisors at the VA. Yet he has his own phone, and yet he has his own office, and he has been doing these paid forensic hatchet jobs sabotaging injured former soldier claim’s and vulnerable veteran’s benefits for decades. They pick up the phone, and say “PETER CAN YOU DO US FAVOR?” Peter M. Barach is paid, over and over and over again in order to give the VA exactly what it wants. “Knowing”, that if he gives the VA what it wants (Which is fucking the injured vets and screwing the disabled former soldiers). He will be called again, and again, and again to engage in more Forensic Fraud, and be paid more and more money. This is called. These people are called. Forensic whores. “A FORENSIC WHORE!” Or “A FORENSIC PROSTITUTE!”

10. He is making a lot of money off his VA CASH HOG! He has family members that work in the same VA, and in the same VA dept. He grew up across the street from the VA Louis Stokes Cleveland Ohio (Geographical Nepotism, regional-nepotism). I would say, this is misrepresentation. Of the VA, and the medical field he represents! I would say. THE DEVIL WORKS ON SUNDAY AT THE VA in Ohio. Peter M. Barach….

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

I’m going to concur with your statement in some regards and dissent in others. Not all people who suffer from PTSD/Mental Health issues need to have their weapons removed. It is both a dishonest and disingenuous excuse to disenfranchise more citizens, and veterans, from their supposedly inalienable rights. I can’t own a firearm for two reasons. One I’m a felon. That’s mine I own it. I also did my time and paid that pound of flesh back to society without incident. I also suffer from PTSD that was deliberately inflicted. I don’t own that and have suffered under it for close to 20 years now. My violent fantasy of blood spattered hallways and the stench of blood and gun smoke filling my nose while the staccato beat of gunfire stitches it’s way across my eardrums is just that, a fantasy. Right now I can differentiate. I should be allowed to own a firearm.

Why are vets appearing to go crazier now then at any other time in recent history? I can offer a couple reasons I suppose. An uptick in new and improved “medications” that nobody fully understands and can’t be tested on the population at large without immediate and very public backlash. Just look at Big Pharma and Oxycontin. BP pushed that shit on the doctors and the doctors pushed it on the patients and hey holy shit who knew it’s addicting and now it’s time to pay out the ass. So they step further down the hierarchy of citizen groups and oh look, nobody really gives a fuck about veterans so lets experiment on them and soak the public for all kinds of hush money. The bottom line here is vets are being used as unwitting test subjects by being given unknown and very often dangerous compounds and nobody really knows just how the subject is going to react.

In some cases, hell I would say most cases, medications are terminated abruptly. You don’t go cold turkey on mental health medications without hitting some pretty serious side effects. Can a veteran be considered a weak and entitled whiner when he or she isn’t in their right mind? Are we weak and entitled when up against impossible odds when we know that something is seriously wrong and the government that purports to govern in our name under the authority of the document we each took a solemn oath to defend turns a deaf ear to us?

I would also stipulate that the VA has been doing this pretty much since inception it’s just that with the advent of modern technology a.k.a the internets that it’s able to be reported on pretty much immediately whereas before things may have been reported locally and faded with time and age.

When I see stories like this on Ben’s blog it boils my blood. It gets me all ragey and those blood spattered halls fill my vision. So I load up a bowl and burn it down and if I have to I load up another one. Until I have control I am not safe and if I am not safe I am not in public or within arms reach of another person.

Your “suck it up buttercup” mentality is what honestly gets a lot of people into the fucking PTSD mess to begin with. Sure lets pretend that we’re somehow superhuman and therefore immune to diseases of the mind and mental illnesses in general especially in the face of overwhelmingly traumatizing ordeals. Hey saw your buddies shot in the face? Suck it up. Covered in blood up to the elbows from packing somebodies guts back into them? Suck it up. Bullets and bombs whizzing by your head? Suck it the fuck up. I hate to break it to you guy. We’re human beings each and every one. Except I suspect for you. You come off as a troll and not a very bright one at that. Go fuck yourself.

march hare
march hare

I’ve always said it takes three American health care workers to help an idiot, in Wong”s case it probably took four or five, they were short staffed, and Wong got short changed.

Dennis P
Dennis P

The VA gave me a heart stress tests back in 2007 and I couldn’t get the PCP to tell me the results of it. Instead I had to go to ROI (release of information) and get a print- out of the results. Not knowing much about medical terminology, I tried to get an appointment with the PCP and got turned down. The message to me was, “he’ll see you at your next scheduled appointment”. I then made several phone calls and left messages for him to call me or leave me a message. He never called once. I drove over there 2 or 3 times to try to get in to see see the PCP and this is about the heart stress test! The front desk person told me the doctor can’t discuss medical matters over a message machine because that would be a violation of the privacy law. WHAT?! The SOB never called me back once and then took the word “message” I said and configured out how to use that word word against me. YEAH same old VA crap. They don’t give a damn!

Jo3n
Jo3n

I feel the anger. I just haven’t been pushed far enough; yet. It doesn’t appear the VA is, ” cleaning up “. Same people, same propaganda, same stories. I’m a bit concerned about having a thousand PTSD Patients at the same place. At the National Center for PTSD, we had 80. Stayed interesting. The VA’s entire approach to mental health is a mental illness of its own. I’m a Nam Vet, and the VA has mistreated and lied to me since the beginning. But, it’s all I have.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Lots of questions on this one. Were they targeted? In my opinion, yes. He let others go suggesting the 3 he killed were his targets.
Yes, what kind of treatment did the VA provide?
Was he in this facility because the VA is farming out patients to certain places for money? How much does the Pathway Program make for treating veterans as opposed to that veteranbeing treated in the VA? Did the VA farm him out because they don’t have enough beds?

What kind of long term inpatient treatment can the VA provide for vets with PTSD? Is there a policy of sending vets elsewhere if they exceed a certain, arbitrary time period as a VA inpatient for PTSD?

Lots of questions. Not enough facts. Which will not slow down any leftist bent on demanding veterans give up their Constitutional rights regardless of what the law is.
The law requires someone being adjudicated as unfit. What steps did any medical provider take to start that process with this veteran?

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

I believe these people where absolutely targeted for a very specific reason. It’s been reported that he let other people go who where in attendance at this party. Now since it was on the grounds of an old folks home for vets . I can infer that there where multiple people present and I would hazard a guess that there may have been some disabled and elderly vets in attendance. If you’re a “crazy person” in the middle of an episode and nothing matters then in my mind there should be a higher body count. The fact that people where allowed to exit and I’m almost positive that some exited slowly due to mobility impairment if you will. This suggests somebody who is calm, rational and methodical. The three people he specifically targeted I’m sure all had a hand in subverting this veterans care.

Of course we’ll really never know just exactly what happened. The veteran hasn’t documented any list of grievances that I can tell and the VA of course will be less than forthcoming about the whole incident other than to attempt to white wash it to benefit their narrative to support a further erosion of gun rights for “crazy” veterans. Gut instincts and intuition is all we’ll ever have. The VA likes it that way.

I wanted to add some more but honestly with the recent DHS visit to my home inquiring after my intent beyond exercising my right to free speech I find it suddenly chilly in here…

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

yes actually. Aprox 2 weeks ago a DHS Special Agent and two local pigs showed up at my door over comments that had been reported to them that I had made here. I suspect some VA pussy troll put them onto me. They don’t like it when you paint them with the same tactics they paint us. They use words like violent, disruptive etc etc. So I use words like violence and gunfire and enemy and rogue fedgov agency. Sure enough knock knock. “Are you So and So?” “Who’s asking?” “DHS special agent Van Neil, Can we talk inside?” You can imagine how the rest went.

LP
LP

DHS to your home? For online comments? On this page?

91Veteran
91Veteran

More questions. Was this a veteran whose PTSD was denied fraudulently as Ben pointed out? And if he was denied a proper diagnosis by the DOD, what impact did that have on the VA denying him care?

Did the VA deny him care for years based on the fraud by the DOD?

Care to answer Gina?

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

Gina “Pharisee” won’t answer. She’s already gotten her 30 pieces of silver and spent that a long long time ago. I wish I knew back then what I know now. It’s disgusting just how dishonorable a general officer can be. I believe I was one of those directly affected by her dishonesty. But, you know, lets not get pissed or angry or upset or even dare to think about retaliating right? We’re the crazy ones…

Jo3n
Jo3n

We will most likely never know the truth about this. The time frame is weird. 8 hrs after the gunshots? Never talked to him? The VA propaganda machine has been there since it began. One off subject question. Why is it that people who are paid with taxpayer dollars are always allowed to steal, no charges, and supposedly we are supposed to believe that they did pay it back. In 1995 I was diagnosed with, depression, anxiety disorder, and then some clerk put Bipolar disorder in there. I’m taking meds for PTSD, but can’t seem to get the bipolar disorder off my records. I honestly don’t know why there aren’t more incidents than there are.

Lem
Lem

I had a “bipolar disorder” stuck in my record also. Clerk ask me, “What is the longest time you spent without sleep?” “5 days being stressed in telemetry,” I replied. Only 5 days made it to the chart. The psychiatrist immediately picked it up and put me on Lithium which I stopped after 3 days because it made me a zombie. Wasn’t until I pulled my chart from the blue button that I realized what had happened. The psychiatrist should have ask me about the “without sleep period” before diagnosing.

91Veteran
91Veteran

More questions. If this vet were denied care because the VA was worried about cost, how much care could he have gotten for the $122,000 Shulkin spent on his European Vacation?

I guess Clark went to Europe and Cousin Eddy got fucked.

How many problems could be cleaned up in the VA if Shulkin weren’t hiding in his office like Captain Queeg worried about his strawberries?

Yes, this was a state run veterans home. I suspect the VA has oversight. I also suspect the VA should have had responsibility for this guys treatment. I further suspect the VA decided they couldn’t simply treat him with a pill, so they tried to warehouse him.

ron nesler
ron nesler

Allow me to GUESS, why he was kicked out of the PTSD treatment program. I will wager, it was because he displayed SYMPTOMS of PTSD.

Yep
Yep

I would bet everything I had that is exactly why told to leave. Those dirtbags hold over your head for power. If you took almost all and asked to wait by your office after or before turning almost all will do and apologize. Instead this shit. Some like myself don’t do well in a group, especially if feeling attacked. They are supposed to see this and offer private sessions and don’t. They call them 3 heroes and without knowing I would never use that word because I’ve only see a few do their jobs, far from heroes. I wish could get someone to listen to me, if start talking problems the think I’m insane. You must get lucky to find one person within the system that’s good and believes you. They no matter the position can help. They have ruined my life and the tightrope walking is becoming far too difficult to manage. Heroes, I wish could respond

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

BINGO . . . and they fucking couldn’t handle it. WOW so well trained on what to expect, and then when it is displayed, the untrained ones just fucking fold like they never seen these types of outbursts in behavior, nor do they know how to handle them.

The first time I ran across someone with severe PTSD was a good friend of mine when living on the Big Island of Hawaii (which by the way, has a high concentration of Veterans with PTSD). JR hid his symptoms quite well from me, although I did detect something, but I blew it off as someone that got easily frustrated with minor things that went wrong.

Anyway, one day his wife contacted me ask me to come over because it was an emergency. When I got there, JR had a pistol and was ranting away, and playing Russian roulette with the gun. And yes, he was spinning the cylinder like crazy, then laying the barrel on his temple, and click, pulling the trigger. It made me cringe every time that he repeated this. Then he asked me, “do you think I’m crazy?”

I didn’t know how to answer because it could go both ways. No, and he’d get pissed, and do something to show me otherwise. Yes, then he might get mad at me for saying that he was crazy. As I was pondering on how to smoothly answer with arousing JR more, he opened the cylinder, put another round in, spun and, click, he pulled the trigger, and he asked me again if I thought he was crazy.

I then said, JR your behavior would lead one to think that you’re crazy, and this pissed him off for some reason, and so he spun the cylinder again, but this time pulled the trigger twice! So if the cylinder held 6 rounds (which it did), and he pulled twice, that means that every time that JR repeated this, that there’d be roughly a 33% change that the gun would go off. So, as I was calculating the odds of JR committing suicide, I was wondering if the next time that if this would be it.

My point is this, I really wonder how these clinicians that treat PTSD, are they really able to handle the real thing? With JR, I was able to settle him down, and he was so exhausted from the anxiety, that he was too tired to raise his legs while his wife and I put him into bed.

And you what, I get this same way from the damn anxiety from PTSD. Compound this with the lack of sleep, and all the runaround that one gets from the VA when you’re asking for help. So I wonder, how often was the Veteran asking for help? And what type of help did he receive from what the VA sloppily offers. Something surely went amuck in the treatment of this Vet. And sadly, people lost their lives, most likely over something that could have been easily addressed.

God bless and comfort the family members, and watch for a hell of a lot more security measures at the VA, gun control, and more restrictions on Veterans with PTSD. Making those with these symptoms becoming more, and more, a second class Citizen of this here US.

Does this fucking click with you VA. A-holes, most of ya.

Oh no name on this one
Oh no name on this one

You can’t kick someone out of a mental health program, it’s plain stupid. On top of that kicked out of his home? These are the professionals, loose term, when kicked out he could of went anywhere to shoot. It’s ridiculous they don’t have a plan when someone needs more resources and kick out. I don’t want to say, but I surprised doesn’t happen more often. The news has played the victims are heroes, spending their life helping. They are not heroes and seeing how handled probably poor at their jobs, I would interview the vets where felt safe, I’d bet they threatened people with making them leave the only place comfortable. Why I imagine only employees where killed.

Another thing don’t want to say…. No veteran collecting compensation, especially 100% for mental health problems, especially PTSD doesn’t need guns. I really don’t hear of too much using guns other than suicide except once in a while like when that Seal in TX was killed. Contradicting myself saying no guns when not a lot of problems and think for me I need a plan for suicide, no matter how stupid it sounds makes me feel better at times.

So with that, can throw out everything I said because only makes sense to me. What I can say the VA and it’s programs are fucked up more than could imagine and sometimes causing more harm than good. They have ruined my life and they feel great about it. Should not have wrote till more details, but being hailed heroes made me sick. I realize there are some good people there, but not enough and some wouldn’t want sweeping the parking lot, no matter the education programs passed. After all they do have paperwork saying highly trained, too bad used to get promotions and raises not helping. I am so fucking angry they kicked a sick person to the curb, no matter what is said I won’t be able to get over that. I hope I don’t carry any anger and forget happened, there is no use for me to have this information. Sorry felt needed to write for myself anyway.

LP
LP

“..Another thing don’t want to say…. No veteran collecting compensation, especially 100% for mental health problems, especially PTSD doesn’t need guns…”
What are you saying here?
Vets with diagnoses of mental health problems should Not have weapons?

ron nesler
ron nesler

As to the history of the availability of PTSD treatment. In 1973, about thee years AFTER serving 15 months in a combat unit in Vietnam, I was an Army SSG E-6 at Ft Greely Alaska. I had a spotless and highly respected military career going. I had received accelerated promotions, making E-5 in 15 months TIS and E-6 in 29 months TIS. At that point, I was experiencing nightmares, night terrors, night sweats, flashbacks, and crippling fear and remorse. The full sweep, of what today we call PTSD. But, at that time, the term PTSD had not yet been invented. When, I requested a meeting with my TOP SGT and my company CO to discuss these issues, they were VERY embarrassed, that I would talk about such matters with them. They told me that these were NOT the sort of problems, that a good NCO would have. That I should get my shit together and not talk about this again. Consequently, I never received ANY treatment for PTSD until seventeen years later, when I suffered a complete mental collapse. To this day, the VA has never offered me anything but pills, and pulled myself back out of the abyss with AA and private mental health care. The VA corrupt money grubbing VA, may kiss my rosy red enlisted ass.

Jeanne Stellfox
Jeanne Stellfox

Anyone who has not been to battle with the modern weapons of today on a battlefield from air, land, and sea who did not get shot at, or see fellow friends killed and wounded next to them, or live the terror of war in an open battlefield with enemies that outnumber your own forces, need to say NOTHING about this soldier because the truth is they do not know what was going on in his mind while suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and the fact the news reported he was suffering with it for over 6 years, largely undiagnosed and untreated during that time. The Veterans need to hire doctors who have themselves been on the battlefield or on base when the wounded and dead are brought in from the battlefield areas to truly be effective in treating those soldiers returning from war with PTSD. Everyone else will clearly be seen as ineffectual by the soldier who is suffering and reliving nightmares of the ordeal that caused this condition. This soldier was decorated and he was treated so poorly by being expelled from the program before he was given another facility or doctor to have an appointment set up for him. You do not simply cut someone from the medical care they need without having made arrangements for the next level of care that will better than what they are receiving. That is like sending a person who had his leg cut off that is still bleeding out into the cold without making sure the bleeding has stopped. Also, having women therapists who are only in their young 40s and 30s who were not members of the armed forces themselves is an outrage to treating as serious as a condition as PTSD. Cripes … a soldier has a better chance of survival on a battlefield than being treated by women that young and who have never served on a battlefield or in a field hospital that treats wounded soldiers. As Forrest Gump said, “stupid is as stupid does.”

LP
LP

Being ‘treated’ by anyone, not just a young woman, that has Not been through similar experiences And worked them out, is a waste of time and money.

M disabled veteran
M disabled veteran

TO: Jeanne Stellfox March 10, 2018 at 12:27 pm

You stated, “Everyone else will clearly be seen as ineffectual by the soldier who is suffering and reliving nightmares of the ordeal that caused this condition. ”

In 1963 Hollywood tried to help people understand. Watch Captain Newman, M.D.

Lem
Lem

The group I spoke about below was organized by a VA therapist who went into the field after experiencing 9/11 in NY as a police officer. But he wasn’t the lead and had essentially no say. He was supposedly in training to do the CTP PTSD therapy.

It is not like there aren’t some of these folks around. I had WWII physicians who changed to psychiatrists for my first therapists in LA in 1983. But those guys are mostly deceased now and the present wars are not turning out enough who take that route.

ron nesler
ron nesler

I wanted to go back and edit some typos, but can’t find an editing function. Is there none?

WyldeChylde
WyldeChylde

it’s an old format doesn’t appear to be an edit function on this one.