Understaffed VA Mental Health Program To Expand Services

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VA Mental Health

Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin just announced his understaffed VA mental health system will expand services to veterans with “bad paper” discharges.

The beleaguered agency will now provide limited services to veterans with “other-than-honorable” discharges. Shulkin credited Mike Coffman, R-Colo, to force the agency to provide emergency mental health care to veterans with lower discharges.

VA Mental Health Expansion

Shulkin said the move is an attempt to help address high veteran suicide rates, “Our concern is those are some of the people that right now aren’t getting the services and contributing to this unbelievably unacceptable number of veterans suicides.”

The secretary’s goal is to implement the program expansion over the next few months.

“So many veterans we see are disconnected from our system, and that’s the frustration,” Shulkin said. “We want to do as much as we can.”

At first, the decision to expand services seemed like a bad idea since VA is already failing to provide adequate mental health services. However, addressing emergency mental health issues for many veterans presenting for help makes sense.

Realistically, veterans experiencing a mental health crisis need help in that moment. I would not want to be the employee who turns away a needy veteran merely because they are not carrying a copy of their DD214.

Veteran suicide is a significant concern VA must address, and god forbid someone inside VA makes a mistake in the moment of judging eligibility for mental health services in an emergency, and a deserving veteran gets wrongly turned away.

Hopefully, this will save the life of at least one veteran, whether they have a bad paper discharge or not.

Let’s not forget that many veterans were wrongly discharged from the military after exhibiting symptoms of PTSD or TBI and then kicked out for bad conduct without receiving the health care or services to which they were entitled.

Remember Army Madigan Fraud?

A major scandal was exposed 5 years ago in the Army, at Madigan, where psychiatrists were wrongfully discharging servicemembers suffering from PTSD to avoid giving these same soldiers medical retirements for extreme PTSD or TBI residuals.

RELATED: 40% Of PTSD Diagnoses Reversed

From at least 2007-2012, the US Army engaged in a fraudulent scheme to reverse PTSD diagnoses for the purpose of reducing the taxpayer burden of the Iraq War. So rather than practice mental health care, these psychiatrists were advocating for the IRS.

The fraud harmed countless veterans, and these veterans are still in the system. No doubt many of these same veterans were given bad paper discharges erroneously.

Source: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/03/08/va-to-provide-mental-health-care-to-vets-bad-paper-discharges.html

Ex va
Ex va
This is not a realistic approach to the beginning of solving the suicide crisis in the Veteran population. It does not address the closing of crisis beds for Veterans in va hospitals nationwide and why suicide prevention teams where created and have failed. Partly do to the fact they do not want to respond to telephone calls and only want to treat Veterans in a crisis on an outpatient basis. A Veteran in crisis does not need to be jerked… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Very well said “Ex va”! I would add, VHA’s and VBA’s have miserably failed a majority of veterans across the board! By not living up to the laws, regulations and incompetencies of work/healthcare providers, veterans are either going outside VA for help, or they’re just not getting any help at all! I have mixed feelings about this. I believe all veterans should receive proper healthcare. At the same time, these VHA’s are understaffed due to WHAT? It was reported a… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@Crazy elf– There you go again, riding the same brainwave as I this beautiful morning! 🙂

namnibor
namnibor
@EX va– Could not have stated it better myself. Ditto what you just wrote!! This does not seem well-planned-out one bit and sounds more along the lines of a feel-good philanthropy tossing Veterans a bone with several strings attached to that bone. Those strings are all attached to some sort of VA f^ckery, which will no doubt include future VA Suicide Hotline calls where the VA hack on other end calls the police and swat team for yet another suicide… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
I dunno. I’m torn on this. On the one hand the VA cannot properly handle the vets it has in the system now. I don’t care to see veterans left behind though that were injured in service. I think the VA not being to handle their load now is the case because the VA refuses to be flexible in how it handles its resources, and how it looks at veterans needing mental health care in a one-size-fits-all manner. Just within… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@91Veteran- “[It also makes me wonder how many have been told once they are out they can go to the VA, only to go to the VA where they encounter some 400 pound donut chewing whale screaming at them for interrupting her snack, then telling them to get the hell out because the only thing she cares about is what is shown on their DD-214.]” Funny, that’s also the mental imagery I have of any VSO office as well. Except… Read more »
VA IS LYINF INC.

JERK QUACK DR SHULKIN YO WILL SCREW VETS AGIN !!!!!!!

cj
cj

@Ex va: Nicely said.

namnibor
namnibor
I’m going to be a bit painfully honest here about today’s article in that albeit a bit selfish on my part, but I can’t help but think that by the VA lowering it’s standards even LOWER (while understanding there’s some erroneous bad paper discharges in mix), but at same time it feels like it’s the VA now somehow “cheapening” (lack of better word) all our Honorable Discharges. (ducking rotten fruit and stones thrown at me, I’m sure by now) I… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Nam, I agree that it can be cheapening those of us with honorable discharges, but in my opinion that would only be the case if the VA does this without regard to the veterans history. If they thrown open the door to ALL bad conduct discharges, then yes, it will cheapen everyone. TBI and PTSD are specifically mentioned. Will this new practice specifically require records showing the veteran was treated in service for those? If so, that would still bar… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Yes, and the VA has been screwing with Veteran’s well-established PTSD diagnosis and trying to change them to….Personality Disorder, which by the way, is NOT a compensable disabling service condition. Rat Bastards! This whole thing stinks and guess why? Lack of accountability and that cancer infected the active military branches via the medical and commanders too chickenshit to do the proper thing after 9/11 and that is …enact the DRAFT. Nobody wanted to dare go there so we sent troops… Read more »
touchavet@gmail.com

I lean towards you’re opinion. Depending on the reason for the bad paper I’m not on board for that move. I am sure in many instances some poor reason were used to issue those papers, but that would take a review and investigation. In the case of Vietnam Vets I question why it would take a vet this long to make a move to correct a bad or undesirable discharge.

namnibor
namnibor
This seems like the VA trying to “save face” on the pie they are wearing from such a piss poor approach at Veteran Suicide…so in sort of a PsyOps kind of way, open it up to be inclusive to ALL…just like the butthurt liberal snowflake’s approach in public schools these days: everyone is a winner, everyone, including the losers receive a trophy so when in real life they will not know what it means to actually ASPIRE to an honorable… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor and touchavet,
I agree, it’s almost like saying an (NON)Honorable Discharge is as good as an Honorable one.

Ben, said something I’m not in agreement with.
If a vet, (who may not be in the system), comes in without a DD-214, how would the VHA know he’s a veteran? I’m paraphrasing what I read.
Therefore, “IF” a non-veteran seeks help, what should be done about it? Isn’t, or wouldn’t, that a criminal offence?
Just asking!

cj
cj
@Crazy elf: I wish I would have seen your post earlier. It works like this, even the medical staff at the VA cannot get medical care at the VA they are working at, because they are not veterans. Now, if any of the medical staff, or and veterans family members, or anyone who walks in off the street are in need of emmidiate medical attention, the VA will provide that care enough to stabilize the person, so that they can… Read more »
Vic
Vic
Clearly this is a distraction, and falls well short of resolving anything. At this point, given the understaffing, it’d be better to outsource care. I called the crisis line a few years ago, and my call was routed to a non VA organization, and they even did a follow up on me. For those of us that have had our medical record flagged for being disruptive, a psychiatrist sits on the board that flagged your record. If you’re like me,… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Clearly this is a distraction…..I totally agree VIC

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Urgent; From: “Military.com/Daily News” dated; 8 Mar. 2017 by; Richard Sisk titled: “House Committee OKs Bills on VA Choice Program, Accountability” First: IF it’s approved, the Choice Program will be extended, to allow veterans to receive outside healthcare. Of course, IF it doesn’t work now, will it work later? Secondly, This gives Shulkin more power to get rid of all the asswipes, from SES’rs down to the low-level ingrates! Of course, It’s also pertinent to point out, Doesn’t this also… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Question- How is the VA going to fulfill a standard of quality treatment for those with bad paper discharges, when the agency has a hard time taking care of Veterans with good paper discharges that has the same behavioral health problems? I have no problem with the VA wanting to help Veterans with bad paper discharges. It seems to me that the VA is going to overextend itself by trying to fulfill this behavioral health objective. At this given moment,… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Why can’t the VA’s medical personnel read a Veterans medical record, and then keep up with the laid out treatment plan or program which was designed by a VA medical service provider? Why does the Veteran have to keep these so called professionals on track of a plan that was created by his-her provider in the first place? The VA PCP wants to have total control of your treatment, but yet they can’t keep your treatment plan on schedule, the… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Everyone’s comments are making me wonder if this is just a setup in anticipation of asking congress for more money at some point.

Or keeping their budget as high as it is.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

sounds like the plan to me

Vic
Vic
#ANutterVet A small thanks to the VA pcp nurse practitioner that decided to have my vitamin D checked, but had no clue what to do once discovered. As it turned out, my D level was 13 and it being that low it showed in symptoms. Vitamin D is huge, it’s actually a hormone. Long story short, vitamin D is one vitamin that 80% of the population is deficient. Oh, my point, vitamin D deficiency impacts the brain…yet the VA, to… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: You know what? You reminded my of an article I read, it was years ago, so I forgot about it till I just read your post. I am not sure how to word this. There are facilities, and I can’t remember if they are in every major city or what, but they receive funding from different sources, like foundations and such. These facilities get this funding for treating veterans that are not allowed to get help at VA’s. In… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

If the Army committed fraud to give bad conduct discharges at Madigan, you can bet it happened at other posts and in other services.

The next step should be a program where vets can get help getting their discharges upgraded, and not some BS jobs program where nothing happens, but a serious program.

I do wonder though whether any VSOs argued against this change behind the scenes. Why would this be any different than them throwing other vets under the bus?

Mark Clark
Mark Clark
I’m “lucky” enough to have a disability rating that derives from a blood test that documents that I was killed in action while serving in the Navy in what should have been the safest, most fulfilling and educational billet in all the military—an NRMC. The nature of a deadly,blood born virus has changed all that for all of us with that career track. The fact that for some crazy reason, unknown to medical science, I’, I’m still alive seems to… Read more »
Lem
Lem

If you are able to get up to supervisors after calling the “crisis number” you eventually get to a private contractor who will admit they can’t do anything.

NiteWish
NiteWish
The Decision Makers. This list is of the Officials Pres Trump has Positioned for Veterans Affairs that did not need Senate approval. List Includes Name, Position Title, Pay Grade Level & Start Date. Lydia Blaha, Special Assistant/Deputy Press Secretary, GS-12, 1/23/17. Lawrence Connell, Senior Advisor, GS-15, 1/20/17. Lynda Davis, Senior Advisor/ Veteran Experience, SES, 1/20/17. Jacquelyn Hayes-Byrd, Senior Advisor, No grade level, 2/6/17. Thomas Leinenkugel, Senior White House Advisor, SES, 1/20/17. Michael Lukach, Special Assistant/White House Liaison, GS-15, 1/20/17. Matthew… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Is that the beer mogul on that list, Michael Leinenkugel? Reason I ask is we have only heard the gurumphs of the VSO’s and sure have not heard of anything Shuklin’s little helpers have been doing. Are they all waiting for interior decorators and movers, what’s the chronic case of ass-drag?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

NiteWish,
I’m not trying to be rude. Please don’t take it that way!
I’m of the position, NOT to trust any “SES’rs” or anyone in the highest “GS” levels.
Had bad — real bad — experiences with them over the years. Don’t need any more!
Sorry, just saying!

NiteWish
NiteWish

Namnibor, good catch I wonder if Thomas Leinenkugel is brother/spouse to Michael Leinenkugel?

Crazy elf, Pres Trump made the hires, I found the list & only thought some research should be done on our new “advisors” working for the VA.

namnibor
namnibor

Nepotism is the glue that keep the meat grinder moving, that’s why I thought to ask if any relation or one and the same?

namnibor
namnibor
I wanted to add that I do have compassion for fellow Veterans, even those with ‘bad paper discharges’, but see, I tend to look at the entire picture, underneath, periphery, and add to that the VA’s own petulant childish kneejerk reactionary behavior only when the spotlight of truth is shown on them and it has to burn a hole in them for it to even matter…now, when figuring-in how badly the VA uses the Disruptive Behavior Committee and their Stormtrooper… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
namnibor, remember a few years back where the Army was caught “enlisting violent gang members”? I wonder how many of them have “bad paper discharges”? Can you imagine, “gang members of ‘MS-13’ or others”, with bad paper discharges, being allowed in the VHA’s nationwide!?!? I can see it now. The VA “gestapo” police coming around the corner, guns drawn, or night-sticks at the ready, for “Hand to hand combat”! Can you imagine the “flash-backs” many vets would have! Complete pandemonium!!!!!!… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Crazy elf – I was on an aircraft carrier back in the early 70’s, and there were Naval personnel that should have done jail time because they were convicted of certain crimes. Instead the judge asked them whether they wanted to go to prison for 4-5 years or do a term of service in the Army or Navy. Therefore, I was exposed to criminals on the ship without first being forewarned of this matter. The Marine Corps and the Coastguard… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@Crazy elf– That example of the Army at the early days of current wars (under Pres. George W. Bush), of those drastically lowered standards with the Army in particular was one of a few I was thinking of and under Obama we had military breaking the ranks for Black Lives Matter and other crap. Then there was Ft. Hood…that was an actual Psych Dr. that went whacko. Just thinking of the overall safety of Veterans and you watch, it will… Read more »
cj
cj
@Crazy elf: I seem to remember watching a documentary on gang members in the military, The DOD has no idea how many gang members there are, or are not admitting to it, but it is many. So many that they hired a special task force to document them alll, and yes,……………………..the majority that have fullfilled their time have honorable discharges, even the ones that ambushed the police in L.A. It seems that gang leaders were having it’s member join to… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

ANutterVet,
Yes, I remember those days! Only, if I remember correctly, those “criminals” were of the “NON-VIOLENT type!
I may be wrong, then again, I may not be wrong!

cj
cj

@Crazy elf,@ANutterVet: “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwh1gySyrY” A documentary about this very issue.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf- There were individuals on ship that were convicted of robbing a bank. They weren’t recorded as being violent, but a weapon was involved. Don’t know how this adds up though. My life was threatened by a gang of these hoodlums that were stalking me. And, I was completely outnumbered and outflanked.

91Veteran
91Veteran
Your comment Nam, makes me ask, how did the VA figure out vets with bad paper are at risk for suicide? Do they know the numbers of vets who have committed suicide after being denied benefits? I ask if this action might be related to that veteran who killed himself in the Durham VA parking lot 3 days ago after the VA turned him away. It was 5 days before the VA police found him in his car. The article… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Could be, 91Veteran. That’s yet another outside a VAMC and I wonder how many the VA effectively keeps out of the news entirely that happen right outside their faulty towers? I just am not understanding how the VA somehow pulled it out of their rears that this group of Vets are particularly prone to suicide when we already have a steady 21 Veteran Suicides a day on average in these United States. I wonder too, if the VA has had… Read more »
cj
cj
@namnibor,@91 Veteran: I am leaning in the direction of, that maybe the majority of those 22 per day, may be in that very class of veterans. Could there be a class action in the works, we haven’t heard about yet? Sure sounds like soldiers with many deployments, were just fucked over, instead of being given the help they so desperately needed. I can see the families of those veterans compiling data with each other, and going after the DOD, VA… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
Question with No Offensive to Anyone – Where in the fuck is all of this going anyway? What is being accomplished? How is this making any positive changes in the VA system? These are the types of questions that are going through my head. It gets very frustrating. I’m thankful for Ben’s blog, but many times I feel that I keep on posting logical, solid, and sound arguments to no avail. I do know this for sure, that the VA… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
ANutterVet, after reading several comments and thinking about this, I am of the opinion that this is nothing more than a feel-good PR story and setup for asking for more money. What does the VA have to lose? They get good PR by telling the public they want to do something about veteran suicides, and those that might have been wrongfully discharged. The public looks up from their iPhone and says “good”, before going back to Facebook. The VA at… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@91Veteran- I agree with you. And, from what I’ve learned, the VA has a shortage of Behavioral Health staff. How are they going to handle the influx of such Veterans. I have no problem with our Veterans getting care, but saying and doing are two different things. My BH doctor is up in years. During the appointment, the doc is busy typing on the keyboard, doesn’t want to be bothered, and offers a couple of options for treatment. In my… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
@ ANutterVet, you are right it will basically go nowhere. This article is a half-assed attempt for some public relations gimmick to make the va look like they care about a group of Veterans who were denied a discharge they may or may not deserved to receive so as to attain some va benefits. I see nothing but same avoidance of real problems and the failure of the implementation of real life solutions to those same issues. I understand your… Read more »
cj
cj
I have a question about all of this. Is this new policy being instated because the majority of these suicide veterans have bad paper? We hear about the suicide problem, but never really hear about the personal story of the veteran involved. I remember another documentary that was done when this suicide epidemic started. I recall there being Iraq veterans with many tours in country, highly decorated, and then forced out of the military with an OTH. Many had been… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj- Yes cj, its called not taking the responsibility of helping a Veteran when they are in time of need. Brother, that smell is so far reaching that my nostrils smell of burnt hair. Like you stated, don’t expect the VA to admit that they did something wrong. “Cover up” has its own separate department in the agency of the VA. And, I too believe that there is more to this story. Lets see what seeps out in due time.… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: Amen, and Damn straight. I consider myself very lucky indeed, to not “need” the va. I only go to the required appointments so as to, “not lose the benifit”. Other than that? They can kiss my ass. ON POINT again with helping veterans in need. Something we should all try our best to do. Good, bad, or indifferent paper, they are still my brothers and sisters, and I will never abandon them. Till I take my last breath, they… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – And the VA says, Roger don’t dodge her, bend over, and take the dirty end of the Shick, in and out. Sorry, this Pharmacy doesn’t keep petroleum jelly in their formulary. You’ll have to handle a dry run this time. Now bend over, spread’em, and take a deep breath . . . Sorry, we have to do this again. These cheap Shicks from China always break. They always make these Shicks going with the grain and not against… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: You got me on that one. Hey I was doing a little looking into all this, and just as I suspected, OTH veteran suicide rates are double those of Honorable. I think this is a cover your ass move by the va, and the dod. Like I thought, these guys had many deployments, multiple ied incidents, PTSD, among other mental problems due to battle. They were kicked to the side without receiving any care, and released upon the unknowing… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Should be “going against the grain and not with the grain.” I think that’s right.

namnibor
namnibor
@ANutterVet– If your VA Pharmacy kept petroleum jelly on-hand, you can guarantee the VA would find a way to get sand inside it. That’s what the VA would call a Compound Pharmacy Preparation. On a similar note, I once had a VA Dr. tell me for hemorrhoids to get a compound prepared that the VA pharmacy did not even have and you would not believe what it was for: basically petroleum jelly with nitroglycerin mixed-in…for blood circulation and healing…never mind… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

@cj- Brings to mind again that great but also very disturbing movie “Jacob’s Ladder”. It even centers around Vietnam Veterans and the VA and DOD experimental drugs to induce extra violence. Great movie with a ton of symbolism. Hint: God is also personified and it always takes place at his VA appointments. Again, disturbing movie but more truth than fiction in there.

cj
cj
@namnibor: I will have to watch that movie, I think I saw it? But I can’t remember. Will do so tonight, thank you for bringing it to my attention. I love a good movie. Reminds me, for those that do not know about, “kodi”, it is a free program for your computer, to stream movies, tv shows etc. It is free and legal, one of my favorite programs ever. Easy to setup with the tutorials on the kodi website, for… Read more »
cj
cj

@namnibor,@all: I don’t know if anyone has watched the movie “Taking Chance” I think it is a movie every single American should see. Fair warning………don’t forget the tissues. I don’t care how bad you think you are…..your gonna need em.

namnibor
namnibor
@cj– Be prepared to need to watch it at least an additional time because it’s that deep and multilayered plots and switching from their time in Vietnam and to the present (1980’s), and the two periods easily become blurred if you miss even 10 minutes of this movie. Warning: Disturbing, and could easily stir your own PTSD demons up. Thanks for the word on that free movie site. Does it play nice with antivirus software such as Norton 360?
cj
cj

@namnibor: It should play nice, no issues I am aware of. Hey, no ptsd here, not a combat vet, unless you can get ptsd from dealing with the va lol.

I imagine the only resemblance to a battle feild the va may have, is looking around the corner and saying “Wholly shit!! look at all those fuckers, there must be thousands of them”

namnibor
namnibor
@cj — Just to be clear, a Veteran need not necessarily be in any combat zone to have incurred trauma in-service and repeated trauma, in order to have PTSD and/or extreme anxiety disorders. For instance: Any Military Person victim of Military Sexual Trauma/Assault, or say on a regular missle convoy helicopter fire team and a sudden atmospheric brings the entire helicopter to a crash and the lone survivor has to sit trapped (this is in USA) in wreckage while rescue… Read more »
cj
cj

@namnibor: Sorry I stepped away for a few. Yes of course, your right. I should have just said “no ptsd here” and left it at that. Of course all you mentioned and more. I apologize to any here that do have ptsd, I wasn’t thinking.

Vince Magruder
Vince Magruder
Fantastic Kudos to Congressman Kilmer, for his efforts in this portion of the veteran population! Any progress on this is excellent. In the ongoing discussion, other facets are important. Just as two: –at least in the Navy circa 1979-83, the “conditions” that merited an “Other Than Honorable Discharge” or a “Bad Conduct Discharge” were often identical. It all depended on the mood and discretion of specific ships, or commanders. An “OTH” discharge was the “fast and easy way” to separate… Read more »
cj
cj

@Vince Magruder: I was in just 2 years before you, the army was no different. Seen it over and over again, no accountability, no wonder it carries over to the va.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Great news on Choice. I’m one who received a less than honorable discharge. I already had an honorable. President Carter made my less than, honorable. I was diagnosed unfit for service. I think there may have been many more like me. I was done. If, the VA can do it right. They do so little right, but the idea is good. Sure hope Choice gets usable.

Dennis
Dennis
Exactly what “service” is going to be expanded that boasts the highest suicide rate of already treated patients of ANY healthcare organization you can name???? What exactly is going to expand in a system like that??? If a rancher complained that a given veterinary consistently killed 30 head of cattle per day through professional “give-a-shitism” they would be shut down. Instead, the veterinary announces that because if the high rate of livestock deaths, they are expanding their services to horses!… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
Non-Human Test Subjects have been redefined now as Bad Papers by the VA. I can only think the VA has some special experimental psycho drugs cooked-up from Shinazi’s cousin named Vinny in his little hobby lab in the subbasement. Some drug placed on good papers that turns every Veteran into an Olympic knitter and macramé plant hanger maker instead of thinking about suicide and all with a twisted permanent joker’s grin from this wonder medication. Vinny tends to the weeds… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy
Wow Dennis – Livestock, veterinarians, ranchers and horses: Football and fumbles: Forest fires and trees: Grinder and hamburger. You do know how to turn a phrase or three. I’m going to vote for livestock and horses because you threw in the bonus “professional give-a-shitism” (PGAS). For a second, I struggled with professional versus unprofessional. But, you nailed it. I realized that unprofessional or UPGAS is a lesser more slothful performance of giving a shit. PGAS however, is a practiced and… Read more »
Jo3n
Jo3n
I guess, if this becomes an issue, that will aid the AFGE. Like one issue after another after another…. Isn’t there enough on Dr Shulkin’s plate already? I believe the VA is totally out of touch with Veterans, and Dennis is absolutely right about the Veterans Suicides. How does allowing more Veterans access to the VA help? They would be safer and better off with Medicaid, or some special funding from the private sector. The ones that needed the VA… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Jo3n – Hey Brother, I need the VA and I’m still breathing. The problem is that the VA practices Evidence Based Criteria Medicine, and don’t take into account each Veterans specific conditions, and how they individually respond to treatment. There are still many Veterans that depend on and need medical care. The problem is that the care comes from the VA. Shit Skin Shulkin is disjointed from what Veterans really need for proper healthcare. FUCK THEM, ASSWIPES

Windguy
Windguy

Let’s not forget the many Project 100,000 aka McNamara’s Morons who could barely fog a mirror. Many of them got booted out of the service as unfit – many were cannon fodder. Local VVA chapter spent a few months trying to help one of them – 70 years old, homeless and hapless. Thrown under the bus for decades.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Windguy- Are these the Veterans that were originally convicted of crimes that the Army and Navy accepted? They were quite classless on the aircraft that I was on. Although, the VA owes them help if and when they need it, especially if service connected.

Windguy
Windguy

Nutter – no – they were low IQ cannon fodder. Google Project 100000 or, google McNamara’s Morons.

91Veteran
91Veteran

According to this AP article on this plan by Shulkin, 22,000 combat veterans with mental health disabilities or TBI have been given OTHs since 2009.

“https://www.yahoo.com/news/va-secretary-wants-congress-extend-choice-program-085804495–politics.html”

namnibor
namnibor
Notice that round number of 22,000? Last year’s daily Veteran Suicide number also used to be 22 a day until the VA inched it to 21. I’m sensing some magic numbers here and a backflip cover your ass move here by DoD and VA. Numbers are often imprinted easier, also patterns picked-up easier via numbers or colors. Just saying that seems rather tidy of a number but also a rather large number of OTH discharges like they were giving them… Read more »
kent
kent

More than half of all veteran suicide is from veterans who didn’t deploy to a combat zone. So This NEW Thing THE VA is doing is actually hurting those combat veterans who will be forced to wait longer. All the government needs to do is fix the problem created with these unequitable discharges.

kent
kent

Only about 10% of troops see combat and about 7% of them get PTSD. It wouldn’t be that hard to review those bad discharges and upgrade them. I don’t see why we need to open the door to all veterans with bad conduct discharges. It seems disingenuous to use PTSD to do so.

Dan F
Dan F
What a joke. My local vet center counselor told me on Saturday, they are short one counselor, the team leader and an office manager. What does that mean? Vets can only see a counselor about once every month, there is no one at the office to answer the phone if the counselors are with a vet and guys drop out of the program because there is so much time between appointments. They are all scared to death that a vet… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Dan F- It is true, that if a Veteran tells a VA employee that he-she has thoughts of committing suicide, that the employees are instructed to call the VA Federal Police. After the Veteran is restrained, the VA will put the Veteran in holding, and on suicide watch. I wouldn’t want to be in the hands of the VA.

namnibor
namnibor

I would rather have brand name “Samsonite” written on me in sharpie marker and locked in a cell with the Samsonite Gorilla Luggage Tester than be locked alone with anyone from the VA. (Any TSA Agent at any airport will also do if the Samsonite gorilla has prior commitments)

Jo3n
Jo3n

It’s a tough [email protected], In the 90’s, the National Center for PTSD, most likely saved my life. Real Dr’s, Really great nurses. Since, the VA has been extremely difficult. Lost applications, lost files and records. Been lied to, lied about, and just plain disrespected. For myself, a usable choice card would work, I hope. If the VA was working, I wouldn’t be on this site. It’s good to the VA is working for some. God Bless the Veterans..

cj
cj

What a long day. Is anyone still awake?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – How you doing cj? I’m up for a tad. Sleep patterns have been really off this week. Plus, my inbox has been acting up for the past few days. Tried restarting, but to no avail.

Ex va
Ex va
@cj, and @ANutterVet, good to see you both tonight, cj, i copied and paste the recipe, made 4 copies so i can take to store when i go. I am looking forward to making some good sauce. Lol. i think my anti-virus wasn’t let me copy and paste from this blog. Strange. Inbox acting up too. I don’t get the responses right away. Sometimes hours before i receive reply or new comments. Don’t know if it is internet or iPad.… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va- Yeah, the weather, especially if high humidity, tears me up. I can feel it on the baro-receptors on my skin. Tried to share this with a VA doctor, and he rolled his eyes at me. How are you doing tonight?

cj
cj

@Ex va,@ANutterVet: Be right with you, I am finishing up another comment.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Ok, I’m feeding my K9 peanuts and almonds for his late night treats. cj, I was on another blog, and this Veteran told me that he knows you. He said that you stink. I said like shit he does. What’s up with that, does he know you?

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I am sad to say……………..yes he does…………..that fucker been stalking me ever since I said he looked like shit is a sweater last winter.

cj
cj

Dammit…………shit “in” a sweater…….

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj- You stay funny dude. Did you get your family time in or out? Both?

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Yes got the family time in. If you were refering to sex, we have sex almost every night……..almost on monday………..almost on tuesday………..

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj- Yeah, I like the way you put the almost in there. Ex va is going shopping for the ingredients to make the sauce. Ex, cook it down for at least a few hours. More thicker the better, don’t forget to add a little bit of the pasta water into your spagets and sauce.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: Also, never ever cover your red sauce, and cook it low and slow. Covering red sauce will cause the condensation to drip back in causing it to be too acidic. This only happens with tomato sauces.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, i didn’t know you don’t cover the sauce up when cooking it. That is why mine gets acidic tasting. Thanks for the advice.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet,@Ex va: Ex va, your never gonna order pasta out again lol. Your now spoiled, and you deserve to be.

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