Veterans Affairs Dog Abuse

An animal rights group accused the Department of Veterans Affairs of dog abuse including conducting experiments like inducing heart attacks.

For decades, VA has been accused of experimenting on veterans without much fanfare. Now, an animal rights group is highlighting problems with VA experiments conducted, not on veterans this time, but on dogs, amounting to dog abuse.

The group, White Coat Waste Project (Project), focuses on taxpayer-funded animal experiments. They say the experiments are being conducted at various VA facilities with the most disturbing being at McGuire VA in Richmond, Virginia.

Dog Abuse – Three Dogs Dead

The group is fired up over the death of three dogs that died from “sloppy, incompetent surgeries” amounting to dog abuse.

Of course, this outcome would be a good day for most veterans harmed by VA clinicians and trainees. Only three dogs have died from what veterans deal with every day?

The Project also accused VA of being too secretive about its treatment of dogs in experiments including inducing heart attacks, invasive brain-damaging surgeries, and mutilating stomachs to evaluate other matters.

Basically, the Project has accused VA of doing to animals what researchers are occasionally accused of perpetrating against veterans.

What About Experiments On Veterans, Servicemembers?

Meanwhile, veterans are still fighting for benefits after being experimented on years ago while in the military. Out of the military, these veterans were also subject to various research experiments by VA doctors across the country previously including lobotomies.

RELATED: VA Clinician Accused Of Experimenting On Gay Veterans

Some readers may recall VA recently opposed a bill aimed at making it easier for some veterans to get access to benefits after being experimented on with mustard gas.

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Portland VA was recently caught engaged in unethical and possibly illegal kidney experiments involving veterans without consent.

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Just this month, VA boasted about its opioid reduction program where it whimsically withheld opioids from veterans after getting those same veterans addicted. It also withheld opioids from veterans who needed the painkillers.

RELATED: Former VA Doctor Accused Of Spine Experimentation

Outrage Over Dog Abuse

As for the dog experiments, according to coverage from Military Times:

“The abuses are consistent with McGuire VAMC’s disturbing track record of oversight and management failures,” group officials said in a letter to the VA Inspector General, VA leaders and key congressional committees released Tuesday.

Lawmakers working with the group said they’re disturbed by the accusations.

“Just as the VA was held accountable for delivering subpar care to our nation’s veterans, it should answer for the possible abuse of animals and waste of taxpayer funds on haphazard research,” said Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., in a statement.

“Members of both parties have asked the federal government to take a closer look at the animal research it administers, in an effort to save innocent animals from harm and reduce expenses when viable alternatives to animal-based testing exist.”

Rep. Dina Titus, D-Nev., called the reports an “apparent pattern of dog abuse,” pointing to serious leadership problems for the Virginia facility.

“Taxpayers should not fund experiments that abuse animals or violate the law,” she said.

VA says the research conducted on the dogs is geared to test treatments to help veterans suffering from diabetes, brain function and PTSD.

What do you think? Dog lovers are fired up. Others, including VA researchers, believe the experiments are necessary.

Source: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/va-medical-experiments-dogs-wcw

cj
We do this to benefit veterans? Funny that. Since nothing else they have ever done, was to ever benefit a veteran. Let’s see, NO FUCKING SERVICE CONNECTION FOR YOU. Let’s botch a k9 heart surgery so that one day, when we start granting service connection………..like in a 1000 fucking years from now. Some poor unsuspecting Veteran will benefit, not from the creepy k9 experiments, but from teaching the veteran how to sit and beg. Like I said before, as they… Read more »
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Disgruntled Veteran
While I find this reprehensible, it is no more so than anything else this completely worthless organization does/does not do. I can understand why dog lovers would be upset. And I hope Animal Rights groups across the nation rise up and keep this in the media for many days to come. I will say though that maybe, just maybe the VA researchers are correct on this one. Maybe this research is truly necessary. If so, VA Researchers should be conducting… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

“Just as the VA was held accountable for delivering subpar care to our nation’s veterans, it should answer for the possible abuse of animals and waste of taxpayer funds on haphazard research,” said Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., in a statement.

What??? Huh??? When did this happen? VA was held accountable for delivering subpar care?

What a rube this Rep. Royce is.

Time for my CBD Vape. Massive Migraines.

Crazy elf

Disgruntled Veteran,
He’s from California. What the hell can you expect a “RINO” from California to say!

cj

@Crazy elf: That is a brilliant idea Crazy elf, start using RINO’s instead of dogs. Also, sorry for your loss, sometimes it is more painful than losing a human.

Crazy elf

@”cj”
Thanks Brother.
It was hard losing our “companion”!

Disgruntled Veteran
@Crazy Elf – I am truly sorry for the loss of your Little Princess. It has been four years, two months since my Latte’ departed, While there are two dogs in the house now, none will ever come close to my Latte’. She was a rescue dog. She rescued me on the beach at Haleiwa in July 1998, and helped me get through day by day. First dog that ever lived with me. Labrador mix. I was crying like a… Read more »
namnibor
@Crazy elf — Sorry for your loss, know how much that dog meant to you and your wife by the way you spoke of her. I may only have a large 23 LB cat, but he’s no ordinary cat in that the Maine Coon mix is strong and learning ability shown it over last 9.5 years…he has totally adopted the role of service animal and all without being a lap cat one bit. Reminds me when it’s that same time… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
@Crazy Elf – Well, I know California is supposed to be the land of “Fruits and Nuts”, but truth is I rather enjoyed San Diego when stationed there from ’81 to ’85. Lots of interesting things to see and do. However, their politicos are certainly living in a bubble all their own. Not too much different than what our Hawaii politicos do. Wish our nation had the discipline to vote out all incumbents over the next eight years. What a… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@CJ – Yes. Using RINO’s instead of dogs for experimentation would be a huge step forward in many ways. But we should also throw DINO’s into the experimentation pool as well.

Why is it when I look at the totality of US Governmental corruption and deceit, that it appears to me that Vladimir Putin is the most honest player in the US Government?

No Putin fan here. But I do wonder . . .

cj

@Disgruntled Veteran:No doubt, strange times when we agree that Putin is the one that comes off as truthfull and sane.

namnibor
I have an experiment with specific guidelines: 1) Ask Lady GaGa for her special recipe for constructing and sewing together a “Meat Dress”. 2) Place “Meat Dress” all over VA Lab Hack’s bodies. 3) Have a few dozen dogs the VA has experimented on extensively, ready for taste-testing of ‘Meat Dress’. 4) Turn one dog loose at a time. 5) Repeat as required until dogs are well-fed. 6) Reapply ‘Meat Dress’ as needed until VA Hacks scream “MOMMY, MAKE IT… Read more »
Crazy elf

namnibor,
Same answer I gave to Disgruntled Veteran is applicable to you.
“What the hell can you expect a “RINO” from California to say!”

Crazy elf
Yesterday, I put the article from “Military.com/Daily News” about this on Ben’s Blog. My language was, well – let’s just say I was pissed. I couldn’t even finish reading the article. Because it upset me so much! Why? Because —- A few months ago, the wife and I, had to “put down” our “Little Princess”! A full blooded “Shih Tzu”! She was our baby. Plus, she gave us hours of fun and LOVE! We had her in our lives for… Read more »
91Veteran
I am sorry for your loss Crazy Elf. Losing pets in many instances is actually harder than losing a human you have known for years. As for this stupidity, I would be very curious about where the VA got the funding for this BS. I would like to see the research proposal, and what they hoped to gain from this lunacy. Who paid for it? Was it another government slush fund for medical research? Was this funded, but not some… Read more »
namnibor
You all HAVE to read the article Ben posted a link to above where the VA hack was experimenting on Vets by heating-up plexiglass and injecting this entirely experimental demented idea into the spines of vets, which caused even more pain as the liquid plexiglass cooled into a very hard manner in which it severed spines, severed nerves causing paralysis, renal failure and more…then after all that, the USAF hired him as a Senior Flight Surgeon…and in the end the… Read more »
namnibor

“SHUT DOWN”, not “shit down”….but if the option of letting the dogs shit down their necks is on the table, who am I to disagree? 🙂

cj

@namnibor: I wonder how many more “never really a surgeons” are working at a va near you? WTF? GO DIRECTLY TO THE HANGINNG TREE, NO TRIAL NO NOTHING BUT A ROPE.

namnibor

@cj- Let that “rope” be made of the entrails of the previous VA hack directly hung from a tree. Which means there ALWAYS has to be that experimental “FIRST’ hanging attempting to use yarn, kite string, fishing line, baling twine, jute, wrapping ribbons…working way up to what will stand-up to 300+ LBS….while the hungry dogs watch and wait…

91Veteran
Ho. Lee. Fuk. You do a search on his name, and he pops up as a pain management specialist living in Loveland, CO as shown on Healthgrades: “https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-christian-schlicht-yvp27” I like how the ABQ VA spokeshack claimed there were no problems with his time at the VA as evidenced by the lack of lawsuits. A pretty extensive write-up on this lunatic is at: “http://www.nurse-anesthesia.org/archive/index.php/t-13252.html” It mentions his plexiglass treatments. An interesting excerpt from that article is, ” Schlicht “is not and… Read more »
cj

Try to have a great day folks. Gone till later.

Crazy elf
The “Top Story” out today from: “Military.com” via “Associated Press”! dated: 28 Mar. 2017 By: Jennifer McDermott titled; “Veterans Homelessness: Trump’s Budget Could Hurt Efforts!” From the article: quote; “The push to end homelessness among veterans would suffer without the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness.” When y’all read the article, can you see where this, and other agencies are trying their best to “NOT stop the gravy train to their own pockets!” If Homelessness among veterans, and other groups, is… Read more »
Windguy
Off topic – and in other news. I just watched HBO’s VICE News piece from yesterday. It featured an article about the VA sending out notices/demands for repayment of “overpaid” benefits. The VA is NOT providing an accounting of how much was overpaid, for what, and when. This is not the demands for repayment of re-enlistment bonuses in California last year. It’s the VA reviewing old records to harvest cash, or, absent repayment, suspend payments of disability benefits. Two take-aways.… Read more »
cj

@Windguy: So let’s see, I have a hear attack, the hospital contacts the VA, the VA tell the hospital to stabilize me and transport me to a VA hear center. The VA heart center decided not to do anything, and I stilll have a blocked artery. I am not service connected for hear problems, Va is going to come after me for repayment of an emergency related heart attack that they illegally interfered with?

cj

So I guess they will “steal” my ssdi for the rest of my life to pay back all their fuck-ups………..nice to know.

cj
@Windguy: Also the thought just crossed my mind, Veterans have only a year to file a lawsuit against the VA, I will bet anything the VA has no such restrictions on it for going after overpayment of services to veterans………………..whatch out veterans, you thought kids were never going to be able to repay student loans? wait till we start getting charged for everything under the sun non-service connected. I can just see it now. Not only will I have NO… Read more »
cj

That is dying not dieing,

Windguy
cj – I didn’t read it that way. If, say, “Bob” was getting VA disability and other compensation, and, the VA does a records and eligibility review and decides they gave you too much over the last – say decade. If they think they’re paying $100/mo for 10 years, they’ll send you a bill for $12k – maybe interest if there’s a Harvard boy involved. So, if you, like me, aren’t getting shit from the VA, or, getting lots of… Read more »
91Veteran
I read an article about that Windguy. It mentioned one guy being hit by the VA to repay $70,000 in what they claim he was overpaid. He tried to go through the hardship waiver process, but the VA delayed that waiver long enough until the entire $70,000 was taken back, then denied his waiver as no longer being needed. As for some greedy lobbyist…I would not be surprised at all if that is the case. I can’t see the VA… Read more »
cj
@Windguy: You are correct, I recieve nothing from the VA except healthcare for my “service connected” injuries. No compensation whatsoevr. 100% disabled, but ssdi sends the check not the VA. I can just see it though. That treatment wasn’t for your service connection, we want our money back. At thiis point I wouldln’t put anything past these assholes. A veteran has to fight tooth and nail for a max of 3000 per month for his/her entire family, sub par health… Read more »
namnibor

Meanwhile, INSANE McCAIN is now droning-on the national news going on and on about how Obamacare is imploding in his state of AZ…McCain is also outraged over the mistreatment of Syria’s people….all the while McCain’s State of Arizona VAMC’s are literally on fire with scandal…not…a…clue!

Why can’t McCain show some outrage toward the way Vets are treated at the VA? I really detest Insane McCain and his conjoined ass at the ass crack, Lindsay Graham…ashamed they are even Vets.

Disgruntled Veteran

@Nam – The reason Insane McCain cannot show some outrage toward the way vets are treated is because Johnny Boy has his sights set on getting some from Rima Nelson. Definitely.

namnibor
What I’ve always feared is McCain would eventually retire from Congress, maybe wait the required couple years, then use his Veteran status to be appointed the VA Sec. for either a Dem or Rep because McCain seems to be a swirled blend of things, a chameleon or I will just say it, a blowhard opportunist that loves to hear his monotonic voice cause church bells to vibrate and crack for miles away… 🙂 McCain would ensure the swamp remains swampy… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@Nam – I would not bet against that in our modern, ignorant PC society. McCain has come quite far in life for a young lad whose first major “act of service” was to be the matchstick that ignited the three day fire aboard USS Forrestal . . .

Some hero.

Bill
We can only wish there was an outside group watching over the VA trying to help veterans as these good people are trying to care for animals. I am a dog owner and she is my service dog and if these acusations are true all I can can really say is we have been treated like animals for many years and it takes an animal rights group to charge the VA with animal abuse WTF Odds on bets the VA… Read more »
ANutterVet
Per using Plexiglass [an acrylic] in Spinal Cord Injuries [SCI] may be controversial. Some of the varieties of these compounds are known to be carcinogenic. And, when melting, the temperature must reach a temperature of 320 F [160 C] to be fluid. It is widely used in bone cementing, plastic, and maxillo-facial surgeries. My concern about these types of acrylics [non organic compounds] used in neuro and spinal cord surgeries; [1.] exposure to carcinogens, [2.] the dispersion of heat to… Read more »
91Veteran

I was hoping you would comment on this ANutterVet. As I said elsewhere, it would be interesting to see their research proposal where they try justify how research using dogs can translate to anything human.

ANutterVet

@cj – What is the STFU Truck?

Dennis
It is hard to get overly upset over animal research per se, and God knows I have absolutely slaughtered with ruthless vigor thousands of innocent jack rabbits that otherwise were feeding on the lush alfalfa fields of my uncles farm, but on this thing about VA tortouring dogs to determine how this might better serve veterans I call BULLSHIT! VA, please point specifically to a spot on MY BODY (a United States Marine, An Oregon Army Nat. Guardsman, and a… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Dennis – Thanks for posting how you feel about the ruthless activity performed on torturing dogs. We need to speak out about this. You can’t compare dogs to hardly any other animals in correlation to their loving kindness with human interactions. Most other animals aren’t on the same level. No disrespect to other unique animals. Folks, how much lower can the VA go in depth of off-the-wall psychotic research practices? No fucking heart. To the VA, lives, no matter what… Read more »
Jo3n

Perhaps the dogs were Veteran dogs. Then I would understand why they can treat them like they are. Although, if we can get enough information, we may learn the VA treatment of the dogs may have been less humane than what the VA does to humans. Doesn’t seem like anything is getting better.

namnibor
Duly note: If I tend towards or have been a bit more ruffled around the emotional edges of late; in last week my brother and I have learned my father has likely stage 4 lung and other cancers throughout body and his religious faith tells him he does not wish to take any treatments, even if not full stage 4, he’s ready to meet The Man, and hard as it is to see this strong and most intelligent person I… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@Namnibor – Interesting reading your personal sitrep. With very few extremely minor substitutions, you described my family, our beliefs, how my siblings and I fit, our socio-economic status when I enlisted, and a myriad of other things. Only major change was my year was 1995 for my dad. Then mom went in 1998. I also am a pretty private person.

I have no answers, but will keep you in my thoughts.

namnibor
Thanks. It’s also somewhat comforting to know there’s other “alien survivors’ in this world! 🙂 (I will never lose my sense of humor) Remember last year, Benjamin had an article on the MILE LONG “Hines VAMC in Chicago where those body bags were found of liquefied remains of veterans left on shelves like overhead in a closet somewhere in basement? In that article, I recall Benjamin also pointing out fact where those Veteran’s remains were retrieved from was not too… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@Nam – Yes. I do remember that article. And I will not bet against “The Umbrella Corporation” although it would be under a different name.

Let me pose the same question to you that I put to @CJ:

Why is it when I look at the totality of US Governmental corruption and deceit, that it appears to me that Vladimir Putin is the most honest player in the US Government?

No Putin fan here. But I do wonder . . .

91Veteran

My thoughts are with you Nam.

ANutterVet
@Namnibor – Thanks for sharing about what you and your family are going through. I understand how must feel, even though your circumstance isn’t directly mine, but in spirit and comradery I have an obligation to stand with you and for you. Even though sometimes it may not seem so, I’m a person of faith as well. I remember when my grandmother was manipulated in believing that the so-called faith healers in the Philippines would be able to put their… Read more »
namnibor
@ANutterVet- Thanks. No stranger to death, but I have to say I am actually very glad the VA is NOT involved in any way because if I’m not already, would quickly make it to the top tier of their Disruption Behavior Committee’s list. We did just find out it’s indeed stage 4, which means they are giving him around 3 months max. Waiting on hospice to get situated and such then I will make a short visit to likely see… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Namnibor – I know that feeling. In 2006, I had a 100% blockage to my LAD coronary artery [the widow maker], in which only about 10% survive this condition. And, my heart gave out 2 times. They put a pace maker on my right side. They had the pace maker outside my body, and waited to see if I stabilized. I was afraid of for my life. Very stressful. I was in the hospital for 5 days, and only 1… Read more »
NiteWish
Spending to Death reports a cost of $13,795 for a 2yr old male beagle, that huge amount tells me something is very special with that one dog – gene spliced?, DNA manipulated? Some other Frankenstein Creature? The researchers who did these experiments: steve solomon, andrew arai, james peter beck, hubert v forster, timothy s kern, kingman perkins strohl. My son came home from Iraq covered in bites from the sand flies. Some of the dogs killed & dissected had been… Read more »
wayne harper

they let me have a HEART ATTACK.

cj

@Wayne harper: They told the er cardiologist to stabilize me and get me to a VA heart center, and then didn’t do shit………………I feel ya, they trying to kill us all.

Jo3n

@Namnibor, my prayers go out to you and your family. After reading the following posts, I realized that many of us have similar problems and stories. I settled on what Rashma Shetty said, All paths lead to God. I just wish Veterans got some respect, we don’t. Perhaps Nitewash is right about the dogs, still the VA shouldn’t be involved.

ANutterVet

Off Topic – Here ye, Hear ye, to all United States Senators and Congressmen, please get up off your ass, and do something to change the VA Healthcare System that effects the lives of many precious Veterans. Veterans are waiting for you to take action, but I can assure you, they aren’t holding their breath.

namnibor

Not holding-back intestinal gaseous emissions either.

ANutterVet

Dam, Nam, its got a mind to navigate itself. Their choking on it . . .

cj

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ANutterVet

@cj – Your little buddy’s facial expression looks like he’s getting meaner. He’s saying, “Cash me outside.” R U doing OK?

Disgruntled Veteran

@CJ – I do believe that artwork could be Abbott & Costello mooning the VA while singing Buck Owens classic “Together Again”. 🙂 🙂

namnibor

🙂 🙂 LMAO 🙂 🙂

ANutterVet

@cj – I just noticed something. Scroll your post up and down fast using the up down arrow on your keyboard. Watch, the handgun on the left will appear to be all black. Playing tricks on people are ya? LOL

cj

@ANutterVet: I am maintaining.

Dan F

Inducing heart attacks so they can better treat PTSD, diabetes and brain function? I am surprised they aren’t amputating a poor animal’s leg to better treat hearing loss.

I understand that animals are necessary in research, but they are supposed to be treated humanely with respect. But this is the VA, and they don’t treat their human subjects humanely with respect.

Jim nose

You think that’s bad? 47 dogs rescued from Korean meat factory brought in at JFK.
Google it.

ANutterVet

@Jim nose – Oh, I get the correlation; meat factory and the VA. Right?

namnibor

My brain went ‘Soilent Green’. Those green melba crackers in the VAMC’s vending machine are not old at all, only the contents are. 🙂

Jim nose

So true ANuttetVet! Lol! How do we know the difference?

91Veteran
More bullshit research for the sake of research funded by the taxpayers. The VA certainly should have enough medical research and actual treatment history on all 3 of these conditions to make any research on dogs or any other animal worthless. How in fact does research on either of the 3 on dogs translate to treatment in humans? Granted I am not a clinical researcher, but I can read, and I have never heard of any researcher using dogs. They… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@91Veteran – Given that biologically speaking, chimpanzees are most similar to humans – – one might ask “How come the human chimpanzees at the VA are not conducting research on the chimpanzees that are so similar to humans?”

Canine physiology is quite dissimilar to that of Humans.

What validity could this tainted research hold?

Ex va

@ Disgruntled Veteran, right on! This research is ludicrous.

ANutterVet
@Disgruntled Veteran – This news really got under my skin. The VA is completely off on this matter, and should be required to be overseen with all projects that deal with life. Besides Chimpanzees, the only other animal that I know that is closely related to humans are pigs. What’s wrong with having a Hawaiian luau after their projects are completed? VA does their research, then in turn, they help feed Veterans that are in need of meals. Only joking.… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

@ANutterVet – “What’s wrong with having a Hawaiian luau after their projects are completed? VA does their research, then in turn, they help feed Veterans that are in need of meals. Just joking . . . ”

KAlua Pig would be great. VAlua Pig would not be something I would ever put in my mouth.

Krapola! Wun Beeg Brane Fut my end . . .

Laterz !

cj

@ANutterVet: Interesting………..new VA cookbook: 100 ways to wok your dog. Sick bastards. And very sorry to all for the sick humor. I love my dogs, and I know you love yours as well, and cats, birds etc.

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