Veterans Affairs Boasts About Opioid Reduction Initiative Success

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Veterans Affairs Opioid Safety Initiative

Department of Veterans Affairs researchers boasted that fewer veterans are using opioids after an agency initiative stripped veterans of this treatment modality.

As the Tomah VA scandal was breaking, VA embarked on its Opioid Safety Initiative (OSI) in 2013. That VA initiative resulted in a 30% reduction in veterans using opioids, according to the agency report relayed by Friedhelm Sandbrink, MD. Basically, within four years, VA reduced the number of veterans taking opioids from 679,000 to 471,000.

RELATED: Tomah VA Psychiatrist Fired Over Opioid Abuse Scandal

The caveat of the story though is that VA failed to incorporate any measure into the initiative about the number of veterans who seek opioids outside VA as a result of the treatment limitations.

This means the announcement from VA was generally false because they could not know if the veterans truly went off opioids or if they got them from a non-VA entity.

As we all know, countless veterans have had their painkillers withheld once the OSI initiative was in place, which resulted in veterans experiencing extreme pain and distress.

What appears more likely is that VA engaged in an experiment to see how many veterans they could take off opioids after VA doctors got them hooked on opioids.

Nonetheless, this lack of data concerning whether veterans truly went off opioids did not stop members of the press from publishing stories titled, “Fewer Vets on Opioids Following VA Initiative”.

This latter issue means the OSI announcement was pure propaganda. Key decisionmakers within VA and outside VA will see the study as a great success merely by looking at titles associated with the research – – click bait.

It reminds me of a Facebook debate I got into last night. (Facebook debates are a waste of time, but I sometimes indulge myself.)

Facebook Rant – Evangelicals = Taliban?

Last night, I came across an article with the clickbait title, “It’s Time to Start Calling Evangelicals What They Are: The American Taliban”.

The author of the article on ChurchandState.org.uk does go on to qualify what he meant, but that does not change the nature of the clickbait title.

I responded rather forcefully in part because I was raised Evangelical and the comparison within the clickbait title was offbase.

Here is what I wrote in response for your own amusement if you are unable to view the actual Facebook post:

Total clickbait.

This author preys on the ignorance of atheists and non-Evangelicals when writing this piece since it is inconsistent with reality on its face.

Do you know how often I saw women worshiping Christ alongside men as equals in an Evangelical service?

EVERY time.

Do you know how often women and men worship together in the Taliban in Afghanistan, next to each other as equals?

ZERO times. It is forbidden at risk of stoning.

Do you know how often I saw women wear mandatory sheets over their faces while I worshiped Christ in an Evangelical church as a kid?

ZERO times. Women were not forbidden to show their face.

Do you know how often I was involved in a stoning of a woman or any other person who deviated from the teachings of Christ?

ZERO times, but you can watch a youtube video regularly of a woman, generally forced into sex slavery by marriage, who was eventually stoned for pushing back.

https://youtu.be/jJv-72DSpaE

Evangelicals are not the American Taliban. There is no “American” Taliban last I checked, and Evangelicals certainly do not support stoning.

To state as much is an insult to both the Taliban and Evangelicals.

Taliban have extreme views that include stoning sinners and prohibiting women from worshipping God alongside men.

Get real. Get educated. Read and think for yourself. Being a liberal should not also mean you need to snub your nose at every religious person just because you hate God.

Most Evangelicals and Taliban do not hate God. They just have a different idea on how to serve the God they believe in. But most liberals who subscribe to this argument generally hold disdain against any people who believe in either version of the God of Abraham.

Here are a few videos to illustrate the practice of selling daughters into sex slavery as child wives who are later mutilated or stoned by the Taliban:

Clickbait, Propaganda And VA

Now, my perspective on clickbait on Facebook also extends to what VA does on a regular basis. Their public relations folks (the taxpayer funded propaganda arm of VA) continually engineer and structure press releases with the goal of creating a false perception within the public.

The above example, where VA grabs headlines by falsely asserting their initiative was a great success at reducing opioid use while not actually knowing if what they are asserting is true.

For decades, VA was effective at curating the message and forming public opinion about VA until 2014, when America was outraged to learn the agency abused its authority and lied to the public about how it really treats veterans.

It was then that CNN broke the infamous wait time scandal starting in Phoenix that was later found to be present at practically every VA health care facility nationwide.

We also had the attempted cover-up of opioid abuse at Tomah VA that was simultaneously exposed. It was on the back of the Tomah VA scandal that the agency created the OSI plan.

However, numerous veterans report the initiative is wrongly withholding painkillers from veterans who have no other alternative.

To get at this, I plan to take a simple poll / survey on Sunday to see how many veterans believe they were harmed by the opioid reduction experiment.

But for now, what do you think about the opioid reduction plan at VA. Was this an experiment guided by politics or real treatment conferring value and benefit for injured veterans?

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Thomas Helm
Thomas Helm

I’m prescribed Opioids by the VA, for cronic pain, without which, I would have no quality of life. This fact is not arguable. My usage doesn’t increase. Nor, as there any euphoric affects. They just make it so I can function…end of story.
But I can just see the VA, in the interest of statistics, discontinuing these medications.
Then I become your neighbor, otherwise a responsible veteran-citizen, buying dope from a dealer. Or just contribute to the sad statistics, like those denied timely and proper care.
Screw them and their “statistics”.

maryw
maryw

Amen Thomas please read my comment below,,and use a dot instead of comma after www. Please sign moveon.org,,repeal cdc guideline,maryrw

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

maryw,
There’s no way I, or anyone else that I know of, who would sign anything having to do with moveon dot org.
If you’re unaware, that group is backed by and paid to by George Soros.
If you don’t know about this NAZI COLLABORATOR, look him up!
There’s a great “60 minutes” Video on him. Where he admits to “turning in Jewish people, to the NAZIS during WWII, while he was a teenager. The surprising thing you’ll learn is, he himself IS JEWISH!
There’s more, but for now, that’s all I have to say about this TRAITOROUS person!

mary
mary

i do not know that crazy elf,,,,,,,,but i was more concerned about the subject matter,,,but thank u for letting me know,,,mary

Gunny
Gunny

DITTO 110% My Friend Thomas!!

I am a 90% Service Connected Marine Corps Vet with NUMEROUS injuries sustained from a massive IED Blast while in Iraq during OIF II. At first VA treated me very good by obtaining the appropriate tests, Specialized Dr;s and then thankfully ratings which truly did not take that long to go thru! (Yes I know, I am one of the lucky ones who somehow got thru this maze of madness system and was rated correctly!) I feel horrible for those out there waiting months and years due to them “Losing files, improperly rated, and so man other BS excuses which often times end up with Vets DYING while awaiting their rating & Care!) BS!!

Like you Thomas, I too live with BRUTAL Chronic Pain due to severe damage in my Cervical Spine which I was prescribed numerous Opiod Pain Meds just so I could get out of bed in the am and function during the days! Do you remember when they went forward with their stupid ass Policy of revoking ALL Opiod Meds from ALL of us who were greatly in need for them? I have never been so incensed about an Agency pulling the blanket right out from under us – AND I will add risking thousands of Veterans lives by immediately stopping their meds without titrating them down correctly, or issuing them Suboxone the proper way so that our bodies don’t go into withdrawal (Which is absolutely the worst experience Ive ever been thru too!)

Typical Military BS by punishing EVERYONE else for the errors of a few. Sure there are many who may abuse their Pain Meds, sell them to make ends meet, or require themselves to take more than what is prescribed due to having taken them for decades and that they now don’t even work for us due to tolerance! We NEVER EVER use the word “Addiction” in our cases! Don’t these buffoons understand the issue of “Physical Dependency” and what it does to the body when these Opiate Meds are instantly stopped being prescribed? UTTER Chaos, worse pain, and that spins the emotional status out of control then too, which as stated here- leads to many taking their pain needs to the street or other ways just to remain able to function!

And then they make their “wonderful” announcements that Opiate use it is down by large proportions making the public think they have been helping us “Detox” of stop taking these meds! Once again, these complete idiots have no idea what they are doing to us out here in extreme levels of pain without ANYTHING to take but Over the Counter crap – which ever ends up working at all – am I right here guys?
Fortunately for myself, I obtained the “OUTSIDE” external services of a miracle Pain Management Dr here in the DC Area who TRULY cares for his patients and after detailed reviews of ones issues, prescribes the minimum levels of Opitate Meds to help us get thru one Efing day at a time! (BTW- Anyone here in the MD, VA & DC area is welcome to contact me for the name and info of this awesome physician! Matter of fact, HE was the MAIN MAN who instituted the Wounded Warrior Care Program himself and after seeing how they wanted to mold him into their own little piece of clay – he Dropped His papers and Retired as a Navy Commander and started his own practice where you truly feel special and taken care of with methods which VA doesnt even have or use yet! Its absolutely surreal they cant do this stuff such as a “Coolief” Radio Frequency Ablation, Stellate Ganglion Blocks, High & Low Dose Ketamine treatments for pain and medication control for you. I would be proud to help anyone in the area obtain a level of care si superior than VA you don’t feel jerked around or stuck in the system lost! I realize that some may not be able to afford his treatments – but he does take EVERY type of Insurance you can imagine as well! Worth a try?

I don’t know how to assist any of you seeking answers to your pain treatment by having you reach out to me. Guess I would need to know how many here would even be interested in the first place? Feel free to reply to my long ass msg here (Sorry, its a symptom of my PTSD) but I wanted to try and cover everything relevant to this major issue. Never once did I take too many of my own meds and end up like The Walking Dead, but unfortunately some out there get stuck in that vicious circle and I feel for you guys big time!
It sucks Ihad to go outside VA to obtain proper care on Service Connected stuff, but regardless, its something I truly needed to get thru each day. Hope this helps and again – please find a way to let me know who, how many, etc are interested in obtaining the absolute BEST CARE AVAILABLE in this region without getting jerked around and perhaps losing your life in the meantime! Stay safe and hardcore guys!

Semper Fidelis,

Gunny

Robert Ccorsa
Robert Ccorsa

Hey Gunny
I am amazed at the va bs we put up with.
Now addiction is all iþ said to be. Back in
The 80’& 90″s it was.morphine and metadone
In addition to a varities of pills
So now we deal with hmmm? Answer.
Need programs in the communities of America
Corsa

mary
mary

Gunny,,,if u know of any,,or anyone knows of anyone who had to choose ,”self termination,” to stop their physical pain from medical injury/illness,,,[email protected] want to honor our dead ie,Pain Patient Memorial april 23 and 30th,,,or got to Pharmacist Steve site and simple type in Pain Patient memorial schedule,,,,maryw

JS
JS

Gunny
I would like to contact you but you didn’t leave an email address. Please respond with your contact info.
JS
100% SC Navy DAV

John Edward Hill
John Edward Hill

Gunny,

Is the doctors name Aubrey Verdun? I am in the process of trying to see him at the WWPACI at Walter Reed.

John Hill

Jay
Jay

I can tell you that I wish the Trump Administration would look into this. It is against the law to withhold medications from a person because they don’t submit to some test – specifically urine or blood test. It is also against the law (4th Amendment) for illegally obtaining blood or urine samples before giving medications and telling the patient about their 4th amendment rights. See the following SCOTUS ruling:

On March 21, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that a South Carolina public hospital’s policy of testing pregnant patients for illicit substances without their consent violates the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches. Ruling 6-3 in Ferguson v. Charleston, the Court held that because the drug tests were taken for the purpose of incriminating the patients, the Charleston Medical University of South Carolina hospital had a special obligation to ensure that the patients were fully informed of their Fourth Amendment rights.

What the VA does is have you sign some paper under duress and coercion, which is also against the law, saying if you don’t sign it we don’t give you the medication.

And if the government does not want to do it, then I really hope that a team of attorneys are willing to take up the cause, which I would help with cost, to fight the government. Keeping medications from people that are truly in pain, is inhumane to say the least, and criminal to say the most. If they spent these resources on actual solutions like fixing people’s aliments, then we would have less people on pain medication, they would enjoy their life, and be productive. And most of all the VA would not have to see so many patients each year.

Ashley Van Drie
Ashley Van Drie

My husband stopped taking the pain pills in 2014, on his own because he was tired of be treated like a drug addict because he was taking a medication they gave him. He went through the SHARE program and they put him on a Butrans patch for pain. It worked good enough and he was happy on it. We went back to the VA and they told us if he wanted the patch he would need to go through the drug and alcohol addiction program. Instead they put him right back on the hydocodone we had gotten him off of. He said enough is enough and we started using all natural remedies like essential oils. Some veterans don’t have the support they need and will turn to drugs outside the VA. This isn’t helping anyone!!! My husband lives with his pain. He is reminded all day every day what the VA does to them. It is way more work on me helping him on the natural substances, as his caregiver, but without the care from the VA caregiver program since we were illegally kicked out of that in 2015. Guess him not taking their pills made the caregiver program decide he was fixed. He is not but he is tired of living his life by the obnoxious demands of the VA. They need to stop making up the rules as they go along and actually have a system that is working to help veterans and their families thrive!

Gary
Gary

I will show you meds i was on for over decade with spine problems and fragment in L-4-5 .480mgs opiates you will shit when you see all the meds.i think i died when they pulled this opiate reduction bullshit.its been 2 1/2 years i dont sleep iam forever in pain. For awhile i was killing pain with alot of alcohol. If there is a Hell i hope these holier than thou pieces of trash find it and forever burn so they’ll then understand the pain.some of us had

Lem
Lem

Question is, how many suicides resulted from the lack of pain management.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Lem, you beat me to that question.

Out of 679,000 to 471,000! That leaves 208,000 without proper pain management healthcare. The Veterans are now having to deal, on a daily basis, with pain.

I’ll ask it again, Lem. “How many [MORE] suicides resulted from the lack of pain management?”
If you notice, I’ve added one more word to Lem’s question.

I believe the “20 suicides/day” is another “SPIN” by VA! For some reason I believe it’s more likely than not—- MORE! And it could be a lot MORE!

Plus, when was the last time y’all have ever heard the truth be uttered by anyone at any VA facility?
“SPINNING” diatribe, or outright LYING, by VA is standard operating procedures for these asswipes!

Lem
Lem

Or go back before 2001 and ask how many fewer suicides there were? And ask the question, is it better to be addicted or dead?

I’m possibly partly responsible for the addiction problem for letters to the Secretary asking the above questions. Especially after there was a little jump in the suicide rate.
Problem is improper monitoring. When a guy is in distress put him in the hospital and control the opiate level like they do in Japan. These aren’t high cost patients. All they need is a bed, a nurse to ask how their pain is every 4 to 6 hours. They can ambulate and do self care otherwise.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem- My VA facility offers no Proper Pain Management Program. They are so incompetent, that a Nurse Practitioner prescribes my pain medications instead of the Physician in the Pain Management Department. The Nurse Practitioner isn’t a Pain Specialist either. Poor pain management modalities, without proper goal setting, and teamwork between patient and their Primary Care Provider. Frigging stupid, at the least. Yeah VA, your Evidence Based Criteria is making Veterans to needlessly suffer more. Kiss off you unwiped assholes.

Gunny
Gunny

This is in response to Lem:

Lem March 23, 2017 at 12:13 pm
Question is, how many suicides resulted from the lack of pain management.

Now THAT is a good damn question which we all know full well VA will NEVER EVER admit to,if they even knew in the first place ya know? By entirely pulling Vets off ALL of their pain meds without proper methods, Vets are at GREAT GREAT Risk by doing this!! I personally know 2 who couldn’t take it anymore with their unreal pain status and ended up leaving notes saying, “Now the Pain is finally gone” — Also, not to be a hypocrite whatsoever, I even fight these demons myself everyday when I don’t have enough left to get me to my next refill. Thank God there are a few reasons in my life which prevent me from doing this too!

Contact me if you are within the Capitol Region area and wish to obtain the name and contact info for this outstanding Doctor who not only cares for all his patients, but as a Retired Naval Commander identifies with us too (Hell, he even has his own VA Rating himself!) Someone PLEASE tell me how we can start petitions, or get the point across by putting pressure on VA to rethink, restart, and save the lives of our Vets that are TRULY & HONESTLY suffering from extreme pain every single day? What can we do folks?

Gunny

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

Change.org? The Petition Site? Agree it’s out of hand, and the war on Pain Patients isn’t just some more VA bull-crap, I personally know of 3 total horror stories of people being inappropriately “weaned” or flat out being denied proper treatment for pain “on the legal economy” To include someone with TERMINAL METASTASIZED BREST CANCER who is being limited to LESS pain control than I am by the VA ATM…

Lem
Lem

Lawyerlynn has the solution. Never heard of a pot head committing suicide. Some studies claim excessive use leads to depression. But compared to any of the other pain medications?

lawyerlynn
lawyerlynn

“Lawyerlynn has the solution. Never heard of a pot head committing suicide. Some studies claim excessive use leads to depression. But compared to any of the other pain medications?”

It’s not my solution, I’m just the messenger here. Likely that I’m not smart enough to think these things up, but they taught me how to read on my plantation & it’s one thing I can still do.

As for “studies” you mention … beware of the trap. Most studies are done by institutions that have major conflict of interest in reporting the truth. Such as, those studies done by the same people (or whatever they are) who run the jails, bureaucracies, probation, social workers, cps, doctors, med/pharm, etc. They all have m$ch to gain, mucho shekels by keeping this away with flawed studies.

I doubt anyone here would believe that studies are flawed in the interest of …. ummmm …. well, let’s just say that no matter, the point is that because you cannot overdose or die or have harmful effects from taking too much, you could, in theory, cut out alot of the B.S. involved with health care or healing or whatever.

I’m just totally flabbergasted that the states where medical is legal, they still DENY vets with PTSD to use it. I’ll just have to leave that one to the smart folks. I’m going back to tend to my earthworm farm project before it gets dark. Arbeit macht frei. Bless.

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

Damn sight more than the alleged number of OD’s the DEA is making up as occurring. HINT: If the opiate in question that caused the OD was HEROIN, it was NOT “In-appropriate use of a prescription pain killer” DEA hosted itself on it’s own petards with THAT ONE since they insist that HEROIN HAS NO MEDICAL VALUE and as such IS NOT LEGALLY AVAILABLE, so counting the HEROIN OD’s as unfortunity and un-necessary they are, as an OD or other adverse outcome of LEGAL NARCOTIC PAIN MANAGEMENT is something I wait 6 months before I fertilize my fields with… I suspect as the war against ALL chronic pain VICTIMS ramps up as it is doing we will be suicide at an even more alarming rate than the 20 a day they are so proudly DOWN TO from 22 a day… Reported and identified as Combat Vets of course, so some will be being missed, and not just the ones deliberately being missed…

NavInfPO6
NavInfPO6

Comments are closed?? How in the hell did I miss that, after I had typed up a long post in reply to the article.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Nav,
Ben’s having trouble with something. Don’t worry your comment will post.

namnibor
namnibor

“[But for now, what do you think about the opioid reduction plan at VA. Was this an experiment guided by politics or real treatment conferring value and benefit for injured veterans?]”

Considering the VA for most part did not even properly titrate Vets off these meds, and by the way, this also included Benzo’s that many of us with PTSD and Anxiety Disorders need to take for quality of life, while also having chronic pain…if both were involved, both the Opioid and Benzo was discontinued.

I use private medical outside the VA with Medicare and when I was using the mental health hacks at the major university that had residents that were working both at the VA and at my medical center, they did the exact same thing, and with fierce vengeance around January of 2016 is when I finally had enough and decided to go homeopathic as much as I can because I no longer trust *any* mental health hack…in my case, they were telling me that even though I had absolutely no history of abuse, no asking for increased dosage from 1996 to 2016, that JUST BECAUSE I was on low dose pain meds and Benzo’s my health was somehow suddenly at RISK?
This whole loaf of baloney was the VA trying to do damage control from what the VA’s own CANDY MAN AT TOMAH implemented at ALL VA’s…drug cocktails of the experimental type…but once the spotlight of daylight was continually shown on Tomah and a very resistant CANDY MAN, the knee-jerk reaction of the petulant child called the VA was…NO VETERAN shall have relief.
RAT BASTARDS.
Getting myself off 3 Mg Extended Release Xanax and up to 2 Mg. immediate release Xanax per day took a good part of last year but since January of this year, no more. I also removed myself formally from Mental Health Care and using from Valerian Root to Melatonin to assist in sleep and anxiety…it’s not perfect…but I also use other homeopathic means to help in those vacated RX areas of life.
Nowhere does the VA let-on that in their Opioid Safety Initiative (OSI) that the method the VA utilized mostly it seems is those Vets that got such meds automatically mailed to them suddenly ceased, without any forewarning whatsoever…how the f^ck is THAT scientific methods?

In the real world that would be called a Class Action Lawsuit of Malpractice.

I often wonder if the Tomah Candy Man had been prescribing tapioca enemas laced with opioids if they VA would have gone to every Vet’s home and removed all packets of tapioca and any enema equipment or just leave all that and take the opioids for their own use on the way to the next vet’s home?

Remember, the VA has a serious drug problem….they are stealing drugs from the Pharmacy according to a few reports over last few weeks. Kind of makes you wonder if the VA pulled all this crap on Vets but NEVER ADDRESSED their own employee’s drug problem? One huge smokescreen to cover-up the VA’s own problem with substance abuse, that’s my theory anyway.

namnibor
namnibor

I also wonder if the many Vets that had VA Mailed RX’s **missing** or suddenly cut-off, were being funneled BACK to some addicted hacks at the VA? I think there’s so much more to this scandal and the very fierce fight the Candy Man made, and reports of drug abuse at the VA’s systemically? Blame the Vets seems the SOP.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Namnibor, they also cut Cyclobenzaprine a muscle relaxer AND the sleeping pill Temazpam which was extremely hard to overcome. I’ve seen people come off Xanax, its rough. I’m allergic to Melatonin & just about everything sold over the counter.

mary
mary

This is how corrupt and STUPID are government is,,,Ask ANY vet if their physical pain from medical conditions are better w/less MEDICINE,,, they will tell u NO,,,IT SICKENS ME TO MY SOUL,,THAT THE GOVERNMENT BRAGGS ABOUT TORTURE AND GENOCIDE OF THE MEDICALLY ILL BY FORCIBLE TAKING AWAY medicine THAT HAS BEEN USED RESPONSIBLE BY 95% OF VETS,,,ALL A WHILE SUICIDE HAVE QUADRUPLED,,,did U KNOW,,,,WHEN pain management STARTED in the 1990 thru 2000 the suicide rate actually dropped by 5%,,,now it has increased by 70 %w/Dr./Government forcing our vets to suffer in physical pain,,from medical conditions,,and once a vet can no longer take the pain,,since that physical pain is with-in their own bodies,,now w/NO MEDICINE OR EFFECTIVE DOSAGE,,,THEY ARE FORCE TO CHOOSE A WAY TO LEAVE THAT BODY,,,,AS THEE ONLY WAY TO BE PHYSICALLY PAIN FREE,,IE,,”SELF TERMINATION,,” OF THAT BODY,,,, our government is willfully tortureing and using genocide to treat the medically ill as acost effective element and they brag about,,,wow,,and take the very freedom as ADULTS IN A FREE COUNTRY,, to have thee ability to choose our own axcess to effective medical care,,,and some government officials brags about it,,,THATS SICKINGING,,BARBARIC,,,AND ARCHAIC,,,This claim is pure propaganda,,that some idiots will believe!!!MARY proof= www,suicide.org/suicide-statistics.html#death-rates

Jay
Jay

I believe the bigger picture here is that the government knows that many will either commit suicide or go elsewhere for their meds. Either way that helps VA reduce cost. If you look at how they treated the Vietnam Vets about agent orange causing cancer. They didn’t admit that till 30+ years later and more than 70% of them were already dead. That is 70% that they don’t have to pay for.

maryw
maryw

amen,,,ie,,comment closed,,,how convenient,,maryw

mary
mary

Amen,,the truth matter,,their willfully killing us,,by the means of torture,,which if any government employee was actually convicted of TORTURE,it,,CARRIES A LIFE SENTENCES,, appropriately,,as that is exactly what they sentence every man,women who honorable served our country and thru no fault of their own,,get injured,badly,,and ,”our ” government is sooo arrogant+ignorant they think they have the rite to forced these soldiers to suffer in physical pain from these MEDICAL injuries,protecting the freedom,,they are now taken from them..THE humane right to effective access to medical care as FREE ADULTS IN A ONCE FREE COUNTRY!!,When truth,,,is,,fact,,NO-ONE can ever physically feel the physical pain of another,,,IT IS LITERALLY impossible,,yet-they think they have the rite to decide who dies today in torturous physical pain,,and who does not die today,,thats called GENOCIDE!!!My brothers all served,,my father in law work, served and continue to work at the cia and dod for 30 years,,,Never spoke of his work,,but,,,always told us kids,,THE GOVERNMENT NEVER EVER TELLS THE PUBLIC THE TRUTH,,,EVER!!!!!!!mary

NiteWish
NiteWish

Jay Check this out I presented to my new PC on our first & only appt & showed her 1 unopened & 1 half empty VA Prescription for Tylenol#3 that she prescribed to me & she told me I must be getting them from someplace else not the VA. It’s a no win situation. The unopened bottle was from having to prove to the previous PC I was not addicted & could pass the drug test which I did pass.

Jo3n
Jo3n

The VA kicked me off pain meds also. About 8 months ago. Rough time for a while. Now they are f_____g with the meds I was told to take for 1 year, after two surgeries. Still working on choice.

namnibor
namnibor

As for the religious aspects of today’s article:

I also was raised in a fiercely fundamental Christian (Methodists/Wesleyan), and will admit it was indeed oppressive and still have my impasses with my aging and ailing parents and we simply do not talk about those things, because at least in my family’s case, if their particular “flavor” of Christianity and “flavor” of Methodist denomination, if you took THAT example of Fanatical Fundamentalism, you indeed could make a case for a vague analogy, but perspective is everything, right?
Extreme? Wait a minute (mind you, am not here slamming Christianity).
My own parent’s church and congregation would GLADLY pay per view where all the homosexuals in the USA and World were taken to a remote island and nuked from orbit to be sure…and CLAP with GLEE afterwards while running to concession stand before asking forgiveness of showing any emotion. 🙂

They also tend to lean on the embarrassingly racist side…heavy lean, and again, embarrassingly…not me.

ISIS has been known to actually carry-out those things that I grew-up around right here in the good old Midwest.
However, my parent’s “flavor” of Christianity condemn ISIS…but…(BIG BUT…), at the same time are CLAPPING while watching ISIS burn people in cages in news articles on TV because in their minds they see ISIS as bring-on the BIG WAR…Armageddon….concession stand, another forgiveness, more popcorn.

What I am trying to convey in the ugliness of hypocrisy of many religions and their ultimate END GAME.

I DO believe I acquired tid-bits of positive high notes from my own upbringing I am also embarrassed about because I come from a well respected hard working family and I do love my parents…but when my health started really going to crap, I found God again really damn quick…my “flavor” of God that is, because their “flavor” of God would rather me be part of a mushroom cloud carry-in dinner viewing party.

See, perspective is everything. It’s not always pretty from any angle or was that angel? 🙂

namnibor
namnibor

Benjamin-

I was in no way opposing your stance in your FB interaction in today’s article, was just showing the “extreme cases” that those that like to generalize ALL into same “flavor or evil”…just as there’s many Muslims that condemn ISIS and absolutely hate that analogy to them.
In that same way I care not to be associated with the “flavor” of Christianity my parents have created their dome of reality and protection from the real world from…but I DO realize my particular case is indeed an EXTREME ONE…but that’s how statistics are made…jump on those Puritans and so then the Atheists use this Puritanistic “flavor” of Christianity to try to bolster their confused state of mind and soul.

These Ten Words have helped me all throughout my life:

“If God be for us, who can be against us?” Romans 8:31. But be careful, I’ve heard the Devil is pretty good at quoting scripture as well. 🙂

Dennis
Dennis

When VA terminated the morphine and hydrocodone I was prescribed, I went to my long time local doc that I had not seen for a long time. When she saw the doses that VA had been prescribing she said simply, “I will not take part in this dangerous experiment.”

It blew my mind and forever changed my view about what I had been doing to my body. I doubt that ANY sane doc outside of VA would prescribe ANYWHERE near the doses of opiates and opiods that VA did. This was before the scandal about how much opiate the VA was prescribing.

She described what they were doing as a “…dangerous experiment.” but I know that is bullshit. It was no experiement at all. They were prescribing huge doses of the white poison to shut people up. My own VA shrink lamented after they had terminated the morphine for me, “…this took us (the mental health folks) by surpirse too. Previously stable patients are now in trouble…” She meant that previously zoned out mental health patients could no longer be legally sedated by them and as a result had “decompensated” to the point of overloading the mental health staff.

I was on 160 mg per day morphine and 40 mg per day hydrocodone. This was set up without myself EVER seeing the doc who started it and was done by entering a false pain contract that I never saw nor signed into my health record. I did indeed decompensate when it was completely terminated. When the VA PCP doc stopped prescribing from the phoney pain contract, my own VA shrink began prescribing off of his VA secure prescription drug tablet – not traceable. I had to pay for them then myself but I still got he poison because VA made it possible. My docs entry into my record to describe his decision to begin prescribing morphine when the PCP stopped was, “…I fear the patient will decompensate.” He meant he was afraid I would wake up. He was right. Eventually even he was ordered to cease prescribing from his secure tablet. Since VA did not supply the drugs but only prescribed this way there is no knowing who is still prescribing, right? VA can really only track what they send. Furthermore after I went to police about being provided drugs by VA on the street corner they searched the mental healh building. I obtained by accident the police report of the search by asking for all records with my name mentioned. Amazingly they sent the results of their search of VA mental health.

The doctor who was involved with dispensing drugs on the corner was found to have a secure VA presciption drug tablet (the only kind that can presribe opiates) in her purse. In theory these tablets are kept under lock and key. She had it in her purse (and a WHOLE BUNCH of other drugs in her office too).

Make ZERO mistake here; VA knowingly engaged in what the non VA doc called a “…dangerous experiment…” in order to stabilize my own mental health plus my bet is thousands upon thousands of others are or were treated the same- and the simple reason; because we shut up and die and go away.

Let us cut to the chase here – VA was to kill us with quality of life and we all laid down happily in the poppy fields and said, “Fuck the Yellow Brick Road, this is more cozy.”

There is no quality in a life that chains you to a pill bottle and trading heart beats in return for a happy couch locked life is truly insane. The VA celebrates that they have terminated this dangerous experiement? Yay for them. Real doctors never went down that path in the first place.

mary
mary

TRUTH&Fact= ,,,it is literally impossible for YOU,, to physically feel the physical pain of anyone,,,its a fact,,,LIKE IT OR NOT,,,IT IS A TRUTH,,, thus,,,,,why do u think u have a rite to decide who suffers in physical pain and who does not,,,,,,with your opinion??????For the flip side of your opinion is,,,,let ’em all suffer,,for YOU believe,,,,,there is no quality of life,,,,I disagree,,,,i believe a truth,a fact,,,,that it not my place,,,to decide who suffers in physical pain and who does not,,I believe since no-one can factually truthfully feel the physical pain of another,,NO-ONE has the rite to torture another living soul,,it a private decision,,and we should have the freedom as ADULTS,, to decide our effective MEDICINES,,,for it is FACTUALLY,, truthfully,,,impossible,,for me to physically feel the physical pain of another,,Soo who the hell am I,,,,,to tell them,,,like u,,,,TO SUFFER IN PHYSICAL PAIN FROM A MEDICAL ILLNESS,,, with my opinion,,,for that is,,the true flip side,,,of your opinion,,mary

Dennis
Dennis

It is pretty tough to sell me on the idea that widespread opiate addiction benefits even a single soul. It is not tough to convince me of the iron grip that opiates and opiods has on your soul.

I understand the meaning of pain my friend, likely in profound and ongoing ways that most will never enjoy. This is my own lot in life.

My point is that pain is a part of life and when you take it all away then you have taken away a part of life. As a bonus the actual end of life as an opiate user is generally excrutiatingly painful when it plays out until the end.

I guess it comes down to this; are you afraid to suffer? I have some REALLY bad news about life if you are…

Lem
Lem

Hell, you can’t even remember your own pain enough to feel it. That is part of the “empathy problem” even by those who have experienced the same condition.

mary
mary

To Dennis,,,NOT YOUR PLACE,, to decide who suffers in physical pain from medical illneess,, is not your place!!U and sooo many others know nothing about peoples medical histories and u think u have the rite to make them suffer???why???why is there no ability for u in your head,to see there are some thing we humans don’t have a rite to decide,,,,torture is one of them as a so-called humane civilized society,,For I believe how we treat others in this life,,will determine my place in the next,,,I feel/remember my physical pain every second of the day,,,,,,,I will not go into specifics,,but thru a bunch of doctors errors,,being a women,,,if u have ever had a collapsed lung,,where i can’t breath,eat,or ever sleep w/out physical pain,,,thats my physical [pain,,,ever second of the day,,,,NO-ONE has the rite to force physical pain on me,,or anyone else ,,,,,it defined as torture by the U.N to deny anyone proper effective ,timely ,medical treatment in which that denial will cause severe physical pain,,,it is defined as TORTURE,,,again carrying a life sentence for any government employee guilty of propaganda,collusion,or out-rite denial of access to medicines to reduce physical pain from medical conditions,,,,maryw

NiteWish
NiteWish

Mary, Mirror-touch synesthesia involves an individual physically feeling what they observe happening to another person. As an example: When you see someone hit their hand with a hammer the same areas light up in your brain as they do in the other brain. We all have Mirror Neurons, the brain is a fascinating organ.

Dennis
Dennis

Mary,

My post was about opiates and opiate addiction facilitated and promoted by the government of The United States of America. My own attempts at self inflating my lung while I simultaneously attempted meditation to cope with a leg and knee that had been shattered also left an impact on my soul. How could it not? When I too found my death scream and my mind filled with the blue white electric pain that God yanked up out of my spine something inside changed forever. I live that moment unbidden over and over like the other life moments reaponsible for the PTSD diagnosis I carry.

That particular night that my bones all got broke up was a game changer heaped on top of a life of game changers. The difference is that I have decided there are two things that simply never actually help anyone. There are two things that we use as needed but are best used only as I might use toilet paper. Those two things are government and pills.

Both of those served me very well a few years ago as I lay bleeding to death and pinned down by a shattered body. The government sent an ambulance to scrape me up, and the morphine that night, I am told, made it tolerable to the point that my heart did not stop beating. Could have fooled me!

Now the question becomes, when I got “lifed on” that night did it beat me? It only beats me when I toss in the towel, right? Fate is a hunter and it never stops seeking me, but I am not going to ask the godamn VA to save my life and I did not live through all of this bullshit so far just to end up a stupified couch potato. Just ask yourself, do you REALLY want VA to be your drug dealer? What has that gotten 22 vets per day in America?

I see posts wondering how many will die without morphine. This is bullshit. Tell me please, throughout history; when has morphine EVER been associated with life? When has morphine EVER led to ANYTHING but cruel suffering when it is easy to get? If you honestly believe that VA is a place of healing and that it is a right fine good idea to put the federal government in charge of dispensing morphine, then it appears that the only things you and I have in common is the common experience of being human.

I did not become a United States Marine so I could get my opium fix. I did not serve honorably in The Oregon Army National Guard so I could hang out with government folks. I did those things to serve something bigger than me, and I served honorably.

Last I checked my morphine pills were pretty small, and when I was taking them I sure didn’t brag about it. Beyond that I have no idea at all what my place is in life.

mary
mary

The difference between us Dennis,,I see my MEDICINE AS MEDICINE,,, just a diabetic see insulin,,or a heart patient see nitro,,,for functioning,,for not being in forced physical pain is a basic human right,,,,,,You seee my medicine as some demon drug,,,,,again everyone has a opinion,,,but when your opinion physically hurts someone w/ a medical reason for physical pain by not allowing them MEDICINE to lessen that physical pain,,,then it is part of the propaganda,,,the ,”witch hunt” on us,,our doctors and our MEDICINE,,,,Furthermore,,religiously,,I believe the great creature put these plants here for a reason,,,,,,For he/she too,,, had no intention of forcing human beings to suffer in physical pain,,,I see them as a medicine,,,You see them as some demonizing drug,,,I feel since it is literally impossible for me to physical feel the physical pain of another,,then its not my place to force someone to suffer in [ physical pain,i see that as inhumane,,,thats our difference,,I realize that somethings are the right to freedom as adults to choose,,in a free country,,to choose for themselves,,freedom to choose the proper effective MEDICAL care for your own body is a freedom i have no place denying in a free country as a adult,,,,,,thats are differences,,mary

T
T

Those are high doses. All I ever needed was a couple Hydro 10 with Tylenol per day and not every day. Plus time released Morph 30mg for migraines, severe burning nerve pain that felt like i was on fire, spinal disks out of place, etc. I can deal with pain well too but there are breaking points. Too severe would go to the emergency room for shots and play their high priced game. In the past they would give me a high enough dose to ease the pain, sometimes not if some quack was too worried about the dosages I needed to end the pain or ease it up. Too much or too little if I wasn’t listened to came with more severe ‘rebound pain.’ That is if they weren’t injecting me with sterile water so some hospital thief could get their fix. Been down that road too.

At least on those that used to be considered small amount I could function a lot better and get a small garden in. Without, I fall from nerve pain and joints not lining up, and small projects never get completed because of it and severe cramps. So I don’t do much but gain weight. Had to stop Tai Chi for arthritis from the pain and imbalance issue I have. Eighty year old men and women were doing better than me at 65. So a couple of trainers told me I needed to stop and get the pain under control and do what I can at home to set my own pace and sit when I needed to sit. And how I need to be seated.

This is a tough complex subject to discuss and deal with. Bottom line is freedom, having choice or voice in our own health care or not. Then on to personal responsibility when dealing with double-edged swords that cut both ways. Then on to why the government lies so much, censors so much that makes research and knowing some fact really dfficult to cut through all the propaganda and stats that we are supposed to believe. Especially since we have all been lied to, socially engineered, brain-washed, mis-led from birth. Oh! We must believe everything on TV, from the FDA, the VA, all those misguiding statistic from just who and why? Like watching ‘Reefer Madness” or something. That is one great movie to see some fine propaganda.

Look up a Dr. Richard Alan Miller and have a read about his drug experiences and knowledge. Even though he does sound strange he is loaded with non-mainstream information. He was also in high government circles. He will also discuss just why the government is so fearful of people using spiritually focused healing plants of all kinds.

Also, MDMA by many years ago was claimed a medical break-through but some of it could cause highs like a Mescaline or LSD or something. Then the government comes in and raids the scientist and college profs who was having a big success using what the gov claimed to be “dope.”

It’s like a book I once read which is banned now and can’t find it or remember the title properly: Of a priest that came to early Americas in the north with sailors dying from many things including cancers to scurvy. He found the American Indiana there had fantastic cures as well as odd ways. He learned from them and took herbs and cures back with him to Europe to show the church, healing people and sailors along the way. What happened back in those days circa 1600 or 1500s? The priest was killed for witchcraft and the herbs and concoctions destroyed that were claimed to heal everything from scurvy, VD, various illnesses I can’t remember right now to cures for what we know today as various forms of cancer and mental instability. So it’s all about control and keeping people ignorant so others can rule over our lives to destroying us. Forgot the name of the more modern concoction that the government destroyed a more modern doctor over for healing some cancer with a famous blend of herbs. It worked so well his head nurse took over letting people know the recipe and herbs used. So why all the fear , propaganda, attacks on freedom, and for most thinking others have the right to tell us how to live or how to cure ourselves? That alone makes about as much sense as instead of home visits like the old days from MDs then going to dragging very ill people to some crowed office to spread the disease or illnesses to all others. Never did make sense to me. Especially when I remember the days of house calls and having one of the best Black doctors from India I ever met. One smart cookie that didn’t quit his house calls until the medical groups forced him to so he could stay in practice in our fascist state of America ruled by greed and controls and Draconian practices. Probably why most times I would come home from the VA feeling sick and later have a horrible cold or flu bug of some kind. Regardless of how many times I washed my mitts or used hand sanitizer in my vehicle before coming home.

So we can’t through the “baby out with the bathwater” that seems to happen so much in today’s so-called “civilization,” or is that forced socialized or Draconian communitarianism built on communism where we all all alike as stated by many and at the VA. Living under our real Constitution gives us a individual empower republic with individuals being protected from mob rule or mass rule which democracy really is, mob rule over individuals rights and freedoms. Besides our way of democratic voting processes.

T
T

Dennis. There are other not so commonly points to consider. One being the lies we are told and more propaganda on TV and by law enforcement. First I should say I have many many years of being in volunteer work, recovery circles in and out of state facilities or nut hospitals. I have also sit and waited with dying friends and patients waiting for end of life pain meds that would come too late. Not fun to watch

Every kid, crook, thug, criminal knows that adolescents, and many adults, can get off easy just by saying they used dope and that caused them to kill or commit crime. Why? They get a lighter sentence if drugs or alcohol is used or blamed for a criminal event. So the stats go up to appease the governments agenda. Much like the “Devil made me do it.” No, not being aware of the consequences did it. Being prone to criminality did it. The VA told out group that we “Vets are all alike and will become criminals at some point.” No, wrong, that is my CHOICE and would be high or straight. Though booze can make us more pliant to being nuts and shameful things. If they have the propensity for rape, murder, thefts they are going to do it anyway at some point, no stopping them. Like not being able to stop a serious suicide. TV and news also puts stupid stuff into young minds too.

Those well paid actors and grieving widows on TV associated with the anti-pain pill movement is also more propaganda. I know and heard of plenty of people who committed suicide leaving notes behind and family aware of it all, but reporting it as a “accidental over-dose. ” Bull, “take one pill with food every 4 to 6 hours then eating the whole bottle or two, plus a full bottle of 100 proof vodka doesn’t equate to any damned “accidental over-dose.” If claims are made of suicide most insurance companies will not pay off. So the family has to make a hard decision. Play the game, increase the phony statistics, for money over the loss or report the incident factually rather than get paid again for a commercial while weeping and blaming it all on a pill to pacify our leading crooks, or, drinking while on some medication. You should know urban and psycho warfare better than me. And there are plenty of people writing books and trying to tell the American people they are all being used, played, and propagandized to the end.

Another point is the power it gives the state. Like UN-Constitutional civil forfeiture. That means its more about greed, and more power. More bodies for non violent crimes because some vet gets caught smoking a J then losing every thing they worked for their entire lives and may face life imprisonment for such a small thing. Because they didn’t want to play the power and greed game or wanted to self medicate with some herb that the Bible says “is good.” So that shines a different light on our 501c3 propagandizing lying churches or the far right of things too doesn’t it?

I gotta move again but the answer to the issues isn’t well know about, or reported on by our state controlled and censored media. Most don’t give these other issues a second thought. They just fall for, or believe everything they here in town or see on TV, or lied about by some quack MD or crooked scientist to achieve their own agendas. Much like them all merely following Agenda 21 and the United Nation’s so-called global war on drugs, among other things, that just robs us all of our rights and freedoms. There is plenty of information out there to read about it all to chew on.

But who will listen to those of us who refuse to “toe the line” and assimilate with the Zombies, gubbermint, activist, big Pharma, greedy, FDA, CDC jokers, or with all the other Borg out there. There is always more to the official narratives and stories we are supposed to gulp down just by knee-jerk reactions and not wanting to look deeper into things. or be easily turned away from seeking some truth or experience of others.

Have a good night.

figure8fan
figure8fan

When the Puget Sound VAMC Pain Clinic decided to prescribe me narcotics, They prescribed MS contin 10mg three times a day. This was increased to 15mg three times a day. This was done after 13 years of non-narcotic pain meds (20), cortisone injections, simvisc injections, numerous physical therapies, metal braces, cane, ortho consults, University of Washington Pain Clinic, arthroscopic surgery, topical creams, Ibuprofen (which has turned my GI tract to junk) acetaminophen, Hrdros, and percs. The MS contin worked and I was able to have some quality of life. I was able to get through a day without having my pain becoming a stopping point. It was nice.
I move back to Indiana and my MS Contin was abruptly stopped by Dr. Prashanthi Bolla, after Dr. Eromonsele Idahosa prescribed the MS Contin but at a different dosage. I could not find anyone who was willing to look at the Puget Sound VAMC medical history to see that I was not a “drug addict”, as I am now labeled. I was finally prescribed Hydrocodone by Dr. Lynch at two 5mg three times a day. He later threatened to take those away. He sent me to the Pain clinic who would not look at my previous medical history. My PCP change sent me to Dr. Vidyasree Atluri. She could not do anything on her own. She completely relied on whatever anyone else would tell her. She agreed with the biased recommendation from the pain clinic and was going to take me completely off of the Hydros and she prescribed acetaminophen and topical cream (the fifth prescription for this). I was the switched to Dr. Abhinav Singh. I did not see him as I was switched to my current PCP Dr. Meetu Golla.
She is claiming that I am taking too many Hydros and is going to wean me down to 60 5mg tablets a month. I get nothing else to help with the pain. I asked her at my appointment if she was weaning me because of the amount and she said no, it was because of the new VA procedures. I had talked to someone she told me was the purple team’s patient advocate who informed me that I am taking too many Hydros a month and that is the reason for the wean. They could not get their stories straight.
But according to my current PCP I am taking 110 five mg Hydros for this month and that is too much. Not because I do not need it, but because they think it is too many tablets a month. My pain, my quality of life, my livelihood, and my sanity, ETC… have no bearing. The pill amount per month is what matters. Sixty 5mg tablets a month will not work. That is two a day. These do not last 12 hours. What am I to do for the half a day I am getting no release. I always thought that you were supposed to take the Hydros before that pain got to high and that way you were able to better control it. This way will not allow me to stay ahead of the pain. Stupid Roudebush VAMC.
I will continue to fight these morons as it is a personal thing.
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Tell Tryon
Tell Tryon

Golla is a two faced lying piece of crap like the rest of the Purple Team game players. For months I waited and ran around trying to get consults that I had for many years at the VA. The Purple scum would tell me the consults were in, then I’d go to the clinics because I wasn’t getting an appointment date and they said like others… there has been NO consult from your team or MD. Odd, so I played the game on the phone and on foot to no avail for months. Finally when I had my fill of all the games over there the new Purple Teams Patient Advocate which I didn’t know each team had them, told me, oh I see they had the consults in months ago then laughed. Then got nasty with me.

When the first PA called me at home wanting to know what my problems were I told him. Also about the name calling behind my back and remarks from some clinic supporters in the waiting rooms peanut gallery. I would just look back and laugh cause I am not stupid enough to get into a racial brawl or argue on VA turf or anywhere else for that matter. Then all the harassment started and more when I first found Ben’s site here and posted using my real name which I will do now for you to use with your reporter. Someone has to stop Indiana’s and the VA’s deeply embedded BS and corruption games. And for someone to group up to fight all the censoring, fears, and everyone else s ” hands are tied” or “not wanting to get involved because of attacks and politics” crap.

The first PA calling me was more interested in telling me how great Golla the ho was or is. For many minutes and how wrong I was about things and how great the team was, how great Dr. Howard was, and that nobody there would treat me badly and on it went playing the cheerleader game. Then he went off when I told him about some “Fat loud-mouth” or someone behind me called me names. He went off. “Nobody talks about my team that way bub” and on he went. It all was a well planned game cause some things just went far beyond mere consequences. I wasn’t supposed to mention being told what to do, the change in all my prescriptions and special lotions etc. From a MD that openly told me ” I didn’t have time to read your file.” (!!)

She also told me the new pain clinic crap was voluntary. So as usual I agreed to go listen to more so-called VA’s best experts. Turned out the male counselor we had said it all is mandatory as well as signing a special contract that allowed the VA to call us in at any time of day to never use civilian care for anything like I have said before, and it basically takes control over every aspect of our lives. Plus the crap about them being the greatest and well trained…. and in great part rules and controls all of Indiana’s health care systems along with the kiddies and commies at IU and other medical schools and boards. It was really all quite beyond being insane and nonsensical. But breaking my jaw during oral surgery to pull a molar for denture took the cake.

I went back for the dental check-up and all seemed well as they said but like a nice little sheep I didn’t mention much about the swelling and pain. We big tough white men aren’t supposed to do such things. I also didn’t complain when they popped my TMJ problems I warned them about. So there was that added pain on of the rest plus the mess they left my neck in, on top of migraine causing. But they wouldn’t care anyway.

I haven’t opened my last file request trying to find out who that scum-bag was at our pain clinic orientation was because of the upset and blood pressure upset. But that ass needs firing or to lose his retirement which he has done by now, retired or put back a state mental hospital where they found him. During the orin class he bragged about being there 18 and a know it all while we were basically plumb stupid.

I have never been out of line at any visit. Never missed a appointment but a few and they were notified in advance. The only time I ever raised my voice was in the parking lot over a cop putting no parking cones around my car because a bus couldn’t park there, giving me a ticket. That was resolved cause I went up and demanded to see the lot’s video of what I was supposed to do. It didn’t exist and they took the ticket back. It was one thing after another for years so enough is enough.

IN the pain clinic orientation my voice was raised of course and had to speak up and ask questions because others there seemed too afraid to speak up for fear of losing their care. So to heck with that. Being talked to worse than dogs along with threats? No way. I wasn’t yelling either, just a simple raised voice and clear. Probably about a 70 or 75 on the DB scale. Normal is about 60-65 maybe.

I wish you better luck than I had, and have. It seems in my town where cliques and thuggery is rampant and health care creeps support each other, and do whatever they can to cover-up for the VA, I am done. I have made many many more enemies just for simply speaking some truth and contacting all the various people and politicians or boards where we are supposed to get help from. Not here. So there is my name and hit me up on FaceBook and I’ll get back on there for a while and play. Let the games begin again, or continue on. And I hope this crap does nation wide and puts a spot-light on this very sick and corrupt state of Indiana and our very corrupt medical boards, media, the censoring, the games, down to the well protected scum-bag communist unions. From what I have done through alone, not counting all other stories, I cannot ever again trust in this states health care or any so-called “Professionals.”

Yeah, I’ll talk to a reporter and I bet they run from the truth and out of fear of their positions and job, will fail or refuse to report much about the VA or the state’s corruption and “Professional Courtesies” to save face and the facade of good reputation. I’ve talked to so-called college professors about some matters like oath taking and truth. Students and them alike believe in censoring, ignoring real news and corruption. And believe truth and people like me needs “suppressed and over-come.” Over come means to “destroy” in activist code.

Be well, and let the games go on.

figure8fan
figure8fan

Tryon, My real name is Randy. I am at the point that it does not matter, I am sure anyone who wants to know me or about me does so. I use the figure8fan due to I used to be heavily into the racing at the Speedrome in Indy. I was a crew chief for a late model team. It was some of the best times of my life.
I am so glad you know golla. I could not agree with you more. She has made it a point lately to put my secure e-mails in my records. She puts in anything that makes her appear to be great and anything she can that makes me look bad. She will only put in part of the chain of e-mails after I have proved her wrong. Those parts never seem to make it in.
I am fighting my consult she put in because she listed my left knee only. She knows that it should be both knees. She did this to delay the care. I have sent her an e-mail in which I was not nice and told her how stupid she is. Now I have to wait longer. She is currently refusing to directly answer nay of my e-mails. Her answer to anything now is as follows:
As I mentioned, I have placed an Ortho consult. We will wait for those recommendations for continuing plan of care.
Have a good day,
Dr. Golla

I do not get any help just that answer. I also talked to someone that she states was the purple team’s patient advocate. His name was Alan Smith. I called the Roudebush VAMC the next day ans asked to speak with the purple team’s patient advocate and I was told there is no such person. I was told there is a person in the patient response center who is like the head of the response team but he does not have that title. golla looked me right in the eye and lied to me.
He tried to play the game of “I think I have talked to you a couple of times”. I have never talked to him. Then he tried to lay it on thick about how good things are and how happy I should be because I have an updated evaluations which will work better for me and my care. The evaluation part is true, the bad part is it was an evaluation which was biased and NONE of my Puget Sound medical history was included. When I continued to have a good answer for his BS he finally got up and left. He did not even tell me to have a good day. Just got up and left. He was a young guy who looked as if he had just gotten out of college and was trying out what he had learned in psychology.
I am waiting on a response from the reporter on giving the name of the doctor who is looking at our records. I will give it a couple of days and call. I look forward to the State of Indiana and/or the VA to shut this down if the actual proof is going to be made public.
In my latest note golla made it appear as if I am refusing to go to the pain clinic. She did not put anything in the notes to state that I had already been through the pain clinic. She did put in part of my comment about the pain clinic being on a witch hunt and how all they want to do is take away everyone’s legitimate need for the pain meds.
I then asked for another appointment to continue to discuss my pain and I was told by her that we had an appointment to discuss this and she did not see what advantage could be had by having another appointment. I told her by doing that she was refusing me care. She had some BS answer and then stated that she would have someone contact me in a few days. A few days. I have not gotten that call and I have waited on hold so long trying to request an appointment with no luck. I have and will continue to e-mail asking for the next available appointment. By asking for the appointment in an e-mail, I have proof that I have done so and that I am being ignored.
I have also informed her that I have stopped all of my medications with the exception of my pain med which life would not exist without it. The best part was when I asked about how my labs were and my blood pressure was. She told me how great my readings were. I asked her if I should continue with what I was doing. She said by all means, continue. That is when I let her know that I had stopped all of those meds. My readings were actually better than when I was taking the meds. I have never had that good of a blood pressure reading. She really did not like that.
I will ask the reporter if anyone can be included now. If so I will contact you.
I wish there was some way to mass inform the civilian population of the actual VA and how it actually works. In our current world, everyone is so connected, that they do not have any type of memory. The need for a memory is no longer a part of the human brain. If we need to know something we simply google it. I think this is the reason things are like they are now. No one can remember what has happened six months ago. I remember in school, we had to learn the history of this country and now it can be brought up on your phone. Short term and long term memory is now like having an eight track tape player.
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mary
mary

U know it would of help us ALLLL,,, if doctors had the BALLS,, to write the truth,,,,,”’that truth being,,,”Since the Government interference of medical care/decision of Adult private citizens,,,and the Government practicing medicine w/out a liscence AND IN FEAR OF THE GOVERNMENT[DEA] TAKING MY LISCENCE ,THUS THEE ABILITY TO FEED MY FAMILY AS A Doctor,, I can no longer treat this patient w/the medicine he needs to survive in lessen physical pain!!!but NOOOOOOOOOO,,, THEY ALL COWARD IN CORNER AND WILLFULLY blame us!!!!!!
Here a stat for us all,,,,from 1990-2000 ,,,death for all were down 4 %,,about 4 thousand people,since thee introduction of PAIN MANAGEMENT,, Since the government thru fear,,propaganda,,media,,practicing medicine w/out a liscence,,ie 2001 thru 2016,,,24,000 more death ,,increasing by 2000 death each year,,,,now if that is not WILLFULL torture and genocide of the medically ill w/permanent physical pain due to a medical condition,,,,don’t know what is,,,MARYW

figure8fan
figure8fan

Mary,
I also believe that the doctors at all the VAMC’s are told what to do. Because they have such a cushy job, and they make a very good salary irregardless of what they do, they want to keep the cash cow job. Also they cannot be touched if they hurt and/or kill a veteran. The suit goes against the VA. The payment, if any, comes from the VA. Taxpayers pay for the VA doctors mistake. This means that if you pay taxes, you are paying yourself if you win a suit against the VA.
I would not be surprised if the actual amount of deaths were higher. I am sure they are playing games with this as well to try and keep their experiment going. I am sure they are also making sure that this will not come back to the VA. it is such a shame that those of us who have jumped through all of their hoops to be able to have a life and to have a quality of life are now going to be considered “suicide risks” if we complain about how bad our lives will be without the pain medication. We will also be treated as “high risk drug addicts” if we continue to want the narcotic pain medications. It will not be that we “want” the meds, it is that they are the very thing that allows us the freedom to be able to leave our home, continue our employment, have a life, have a quality of life and to be above the survival mode.
I have read the OSI and the recommendations and the goals according to the OSI are not what the Indy VAMC is doing. The Indy VAMC is set on taking away ALL narcotic in medications. They do not care if you get any type of relief or how you get it, as long as you are not getting the medications you desperately need from the Roudebush VAMC. smh
f8f

T
T

Well glad to virtually meet you.

I will never again speak to an attorney, media, anyone at the VA, nonone from the medical boards, politicians etc., unless it’s recorded. I had a damned recorder on me during the pain clinic orientation but turned it off too soon and not back on. It’s difficult to deal with long waits, in all kinds of pain/cramps, dealing with small chairs for normal people etc. Pain alone disrupts and interferes with daily functions, concentration, chores and the whole sheebang. Not fun. Plus dealing with everything else, while putting on a happy/tough face for others and being courteous to all while trying to dig for more information and stories. So I am not the good spy I was back in my union days dealing with all the liars and corruption.

When they all start the ignoring game, having our “Secure Messaging” communication totally deleted, putting you on the defensive, then your a target. You bruised one of those sick psychopathic egos over there. That old silence game was like being married to the VA and some piece of crap female MD. I was told by a staff member at the CBOC I could not be treated the VA way or by what …I’ll use they, how they were trained and how to treat some patients. They, told me to ‘get the hell out of the VA because I was not going to like what’s coming.” To find a good geriatric MD. None to be found. Well I though that was over arguments over my communications and stuff missing from the online messaging. Oh, and pissing off some female computer tech over messing with my files the way she did. I learned you don’t piss off a “I am a professionally trained professional female at the VA and you have no right to question me.” So simple small things can bruise a sick ego and make waves all through the state. Plus they all seem to have the inability to compartmentalize their damn outside the VA activism and hate they may have for some of us. Plus to mention pissing others off in the community for daring to upset their diva trophy wives or something cause of all the connected cliques.

My next visits the good people changed jobs or quit. Then I changed from the CBOC here to Indy and all the hell followed along and increased greatly. Along with all the activist crap. There was no way to discuss matters with the admin here either. They are ran by the lousy insurance group called Humana. They have a long record of not giving a damn about people. The constant revolving doors for proper MDs and good PCPs were total pathetic and ridiculous leading to a total break down in care and concern.

Ortho, Pod, sleep, clinics were some I had the same issues with. They all pointed at each other and back at the Purple scum team. And some of the jokers they had at the front desk at Ortho was a uncaring, constant cafeteria running clowns.

As I wrote before, a med tech that used to work there, being in total fear, told me that is how things are done there to run people off and make life miserable for some of us. No good reason needed but bruised egos or daring to question anyone there, or to complain when we have to pleasantly deal with staff burn-out and common tirades and fits of anger or nasty out-bursts from them. If one person wants you or anyone else gone, they are gone or treated badly. All the while our governor or anything to do with Indiana or VA care does the same things and puts on the Indiana Hamster’s exercise wheel of life run-around games, and totally ignoring us. I gave them all many chances to do their damned jobs or get concerned…never happened to this day.

Sleep clinic totally lost my files at the time. As well as many of my tests over the years were not to be found.

Going through my records I seen that the staff I thought were excellent, and told them so, also lied about my complaints and input. Even over special shoes I am to wear became not so wearable with the new contract they got from some cheaper shoe sales deal.

All the waiting and game playing is… to wear us down, stress us out, confuse us. to go beyond any possible statutes of limitations, for witnesses and our memory slip away or die off, or for us to just shut-up and get tired of it all. I am going to bitch and moan till they put me in the easy bake oven. Then put me under my censored tombstone. Wow what power we the people have and oh such freedom so many died for and suffering done in vain.

Spreading any kind of truth and negative information or stories around this state and college towns is impossible. There is just too much state and federal supported censoring going on and has for many years. But the sheep don’t care until something happens to them or too close to home. Then they are more than likely silence some how. Those in the cliques, mafias, corporate syndicates, politicians etc., can get it all. Like some vets are happy with all that FREE care until it kills them off unknowingly. Or the family too wrapped up in the fast lane or being trendy to pay attention to what kind of care we actually get.

That is why I live in a corrupt town now with councils and shadow government that is akin to North Korea or fascist as Canada or whatever. Absolutely zero representation here for me, none. Very sad when town councils along with media and college, all the rest think that hounding and censoring, suppressing veterans is a good thing while laughing or bragging about it. Being good little petty tyrants and communist trash. And no-one dares stand up to them. It’s all a very real and vicious circle to be stuck in with no way out and it’s obvious over the -= years…that noone really cares. Most don’t care or seem much concerned about others or what’s happening in their own environment or health care. And really won’t take the time or have the knowledge to realize they are being treated poorly, that may lead them to death. Too busy with cell phones, games, entertainment, being trendy and whatever else it is some are glued to besides reality.
I pray and wish you well F8
Along with all others dealing with this crap.

Mary, I haven’t met many MDs or staff either VA or modern civy care having the balls for truth and to stand up for patients. Not in this new American culture of ours. From what I have seen if I were an Illegal invader I could get and have it all….for free. Much better than what I have seen how vets are treated in Indiana or college towns. Too many folks in fear of the PC and fascist crowds and medical rulers for despair. People don’t really want to engage in common discussions anymore. Maybe just the weather if lucky.

I gotta get off here. Then come back and check FB. I haven’t done much on there for years. If I get banned there like others I will go to “Seen” something whatever that is. Since Google and the rest are playing the censoring game too. Like Twitter. This country is in deep trouble along with some of us.

lawyerlynn
lawyerlynn

Because of some kind of mind control brainwash, most people don’t know that cannabis was the major part of medical formulary ever since. In written and unwritten history.

Cannabis is/was used for everything from surgery anesthetic (called “cannabis narcosis”) to pain relief to hormone adjustment, well, everything really.

If you don’t believe me, take a quick glimpse at the united states patent introduction below. You will see that cannabis prevents, treats and cures, these 3 things:
1. inflammation
2. blockages, and
3. oxidative stress.

PREVENTS, TREATS, CURES

everything is caused by one of those 3 above. If you’re injured, it stops pain, and stops damage by controlling inflammation.

Just as one example, If you have brain stress (oxidative stress is the term for what happens in the brain when it’s stressed by physical or other trauma) then cannabinoids stop the stress reaction and actually help nerves regenerate. That’s why the Israeli army issues cannabis cigs to all military, who if they get injured or trauma, smoke reefer and stop the “excitotoxin cascade” that causes brain damage, aka PTSD, TBI, and all symptoms associated therewith.

Think about that. Stops damage from ptsd, tbi, stroke (blockage). Prevents. It also treats the symptoms, but not only treating symptoms, but helping actually fix the problem (nerve regeneration, decrease inflammation increase blood flow to capillaries, clears blockages from bad blood flow, releases dopamine and binds to glutamate, etc.).

So if cannabis can decrease symptoms and help towards healing, would longterm, high dose cannabis use cure ptsd? tbi? stroke damage? we don’t know because we, lowly veterans, do not have access to research. Israelis do, though.

That’s how we know, almost 20 years later, about this.

The VA will get you hooked on opioids, then take them away, and not even tell you that you can get full pain relief as well as ptsd, tbi and stroke symptoms treated by using cannabis.

You can sleep through the night without nightmares. You can stop seizures. You can stop anxiety. You can cure cancer, blocked arteries and heart disease. You can lower blood pressure. You can stop infection. [This paragraph could go on and on and on.]

But you can’t. Because one group has taken control of the plant, monopolized all research, as well as ruining the lives (prison) of anyone who dares to use/grow/study the plant.

While the VA and veterans could stand up and demand this plant, they won’t do it. They continue to lie and it’s just wrong to let people suffer.

if the VA finds out you use cannabis. They will call you a drug abuser.
Here’s the intro to one of thousands of cannabis patents.

US Patent & Trademark Office, Patent Full Text and Image Database]
( 1 of 1 )
United States Patent 6,630,507
Hampson , et al. October 7, 2003
Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants

Abstract

Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease and HIV dementia. Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention. A particular disclosed class of cannabinoids useful as neuroprotective antioxidants is formula (I) wherein the R group is independently selected from the group consisting of H, CH.sub.3, and COCH.sub.3. ##STR1##
Inventors: Hampson; Aidan J. (Irvine, CA), Axelrod; Julius (Rockville, MD), Grimaldi; Maurizio (Bethesda, MD)
Assignee: The United States of America as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services (Washington, DC)
Appl. No.: 09/674,028
Filed: February 2, 2001
PCT Filed: April 21, 1999
PCT No.: PCT/US99/08769
PCT Pub. No.: WO99/53917
PCT Pub. Date: October 28, 1999

Lem
Lem

And I’ve never heard of someone being physically addicted to marijuana. Experimented with it in the 1960s and never had a hang over. Take that to mean physical addition is not in the cards for marijuana as it is for alcohol and opioids. Never took enough opioids to get a hangover but have seen some individuals with one.

lawyerlynn
lawyerlynn

As an example of brainwash mind control propaganda, notice this one statement within the patent …

“Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention.”

This patent is for psychoactive and non. All research points to high THC as being most effective, but the problem is getting so stoned. Yes, it can be problem on several levels. But the wording here is what is curious.

Because they use the word “toxicity”. When they talk about cannabis being “toxic”, do you know what they mean? I didn’t. Now I do. It means “getting high” or stoned. That’s the only toxicity associated with cannabis. It doesn’t cause any damage, and some people love the feeling of “high” and some can’t work or manage while they are high at the therapeutic dose. So, yes, it can be a problem, but they call it

TOXIC!!!

washing brains. washing brains. washing brains.

Designed to make people think “toxic at high (therapeutic) doses”. Alot of people believe toxic at any dose, which may be right, but not harmful. newspeak is tricky. love and irie to all. bless up.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Lawyerlynn, I was pleasantly surprised how well topical cannabis healing lotion worked on the muscle spasms in my neck. Well worth the $20 a small bottle cost.

lawyerlynn
lawyerlynn

Might be the best muscle relaxer yet.
If you got highgrade flowers you can cook in coconut or castor oil,
then use that for a rub. save $$. diy??
Not too much oil, just cover the flowers. make strong, can dilute if needed.
won’t need.

it will also pull edema from deep tissue if you keep rubbing the oil on.

all these wounds soldiers get, have edema buildup around the internal tissue due to bad blood flow, scarring, inflammation, oxidation, etc. if you can get the water (edema) away from the tissue and to the surface it will evaporate away or you can wipe away too.

should help you sleep when you don’t have pills if they cutting sleep aids off too.

live up!

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

The entire anti-opioid campaign is an attempt by the DEA to have pain patients either become one of the ILLEGAL USE STATISTICS by denying them access to LEGAL pain control so they can justify their existence or a way to force chronic pain sufferers into just committing suicide. We are MUCH cheaper on the budget if we are DEAD after all. As far as the VA, yeah, get the pill doctors out, but people that will insist that someone that has been on STABLE Narcotic treatment for many years MUST come off ANY PAIN CONTROL before they will even see them? Especially when even a cursory look would show that the patient had been through EVERY AVAILABLE TREATMENT option over a 9 years BEFORE they finally had to admit that no, it was NOT going to get better, EVER and that they just needed to come to peace with THAT. Unfortunately due to some should be pretty obvious actors Vet’s are much more likely to NEED serious pain management so they can have any quality of life at all than civilians will.
The so called “Drug War” has been as effective as any other prohibition has in history. It has resulted in types and levels of organized crime that would never have started without it, and now will be basically impossible to get rid of. It has resulted in having the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Destruction of entire families and generations…. And so on. I personally look on it as the VA yet again trying to get out of providing proper medical support to veterans, this time under the guise “saving us from the evils of drugs” Drugs that in my case are the difference between waking up literally screaming or being able to at least get out of bed and feed my livestock.
As far as the religious issues that since it IS your site you are allowed to toss in here. Look around from a NON-Evagelical or even non-Christian view. You claim that YOU are not out there harassing AF Cadets, Jews, any non-christian/non-Evangelical DOMINONEST out there… trying to get the bible taught as SCIENCE… Fine, just like the Muslims will have to be who finally puts paid to the Jihadist movement, the Evangelicals need to rein in THESE problem children… I seem to recall that the last actual Academy Grad to serve as President, who for some reason active duty types hated and preferred a b grade movie actor over, WAS an honest to g$d evangelical Christian, re-born, some close relative a preacher and frankly simply to GOOD of a Human Being to make a good President to say nothing of being the first elected President post Watergate. Compare THAT, a TRUE Christian, to the mouthing of words but not the walk that the shrub did all the while claiming that he was an Evangelical Christian. Which is it Are Evangelicals simply to good of HUMANS to be the arse-holes that President requires, or can they bold face LIE to the single most trusted Military Man since Ike about the existence of all sorts of evil that just wasn’t there to con the country and the world into a completely unjustified or even successful and completely un-necassery war… And we will not even get into the Dominion “Movement” that is literally PRAYING for Armageddon to start so hey can personally rule alongside Jesus? Which are you when YOU look in the mirror?

cj
cj

Oh I would just love to share with you what happened today, only problem with that is I know for a fact the VA monitors this blog. If I were to tell you of the uttere BS I was subjected to today, it would be as good as signing my real name to this blog, and I will not give those ASSHOLES the satisfaction. It has everything to do with today’s topic, but obviously it is nothing that hasn’t been discussed by the rest of you already. ANutterVet, wait for it……………here it comes……………HEY VA…………..GO FUCK YOURSELF:

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Yeah baby………….that felt ohhhh so goooood!!!!!!

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, ROFL!!!!!

figure8fan
figure8fan

Nice cj

mary
mary

Moveon.org..Repeal cdc guide;lines,,,,sign it,,,,,,,all of us should!!!!!!maryw

Ex va
Ex va

Taking away pain medications from Veterans who suffer from chronic pain issues is nothing less than being unnecessarily cruel to another human being. Do they believe Veterans or anyone for that matter wants to feel the effects of severe pain? It is negligence, it is not helping someone with their long term suffering. Veterans are trying to survive their injuries, disease and illnesses and need pain management to ease their suffering.

They want to punish and torture us Veterans as per normal business operations. I guess the term to use would be under a research or an initiative program. What are the goals of this initiative? Just to take away pain medications? To take away beneficial medications to someone who needs it to survive their chronic pain issues?

We all know that they can be addictive, but some people have no choice but to take pain medication to cut down their chronic pain levels to function. They have to take pain medication to be able to walk and do basic daily living activities for themselves. If you are suffering in pain because you are now cut off pain medications what are you to do? You will probably be bed ridden or in a wheel chair because you cannot stand or walk because of the intensity of the pain. What kinda life do they think a person lives with severe chronic pain??? I can tell you it isn’t much of a life. It is limitations on living and most of the time you cannot just enjoy your life.

NiteWish
NiteWish

It was a political experiment. Tylenol #3 was not even on the original list yet my prescription was stopped suddenly. The number of Veterans needing appts for the Pain Clinics made it impossible & aggravating to get “timely” follow up treatment. I have not benefited but declined.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

This video, from “Project Veritas” is from: June 4, 2015 (9:28 min. long).
It’s a Hidden Camera operation vs VHA’s Pain Management Opioid Addiction Treatment!
Some of y’all may not have seen it. It’s worth googling and watching.
titled;

“Hidden Camera: VA Director Says VA Turning Veterans into Drug Addicts”

These “undercover videos” are a wake-up call to everyone! I have a strong feeling it’s also occurring at civilian healthcare systems as well!

figure8fan
figure8fan

Hello guys,
I have been reading Ben’s blog even though I have not replied to anything. I have been busy fighting the VA. Some of you know my history and my fights with the VAMC. I am still doing it. I had an appointment Mon. with my PCP who told me she was going to continue to wean me down to 60 5mg Hydrocodone a month. I asked her what was she going to use to help with the increase in pain. Her response, she was not going to give me anything.
I have tried over 20 non narcotic pain medications over the last 13 years. I have had cortisone injections, simvisc injections, and therapies too numerous to mention. I was seen at the Puget Sound VAMC Pain Clinic after everything else was tried. They prescribed the narcotic pain med. They prescribed MS contin. They sent me to the University of Washington Pain Clinic and they agreed with the Puget Sound VAMC treatment plan.
I move back to IN and the Roudebush VAMC refused to look at the Puget Sound VAMC medical history and therefore, I am not considered a “druggie” because they will not recognize the non-narcotic pain medications I have tried. I cannot take NSAIDS due to the VAMC prescribing them to me at such a high dosage and for such a long time that my GI tract is now junk. The Roudebush VAMC stopped my narcotic pain med when I returned to IN. No weaning, just took it away. This caused me to become homeless as I could not do anything but cry in pain. I finally got my Psychiatrist to find someone to prescribe me Hydrocodone. It did not help as much as the ms contin but it allowed me the ability to rise above homelessness. I still have a job I love, I have my own housing, and money in the bank.
This will now be taken away from me due to the weaning. I was told by my PCP that my Puget Sound medical history was irrelevant and she would not use it. I caught her in several lies during the appointment which I proved to her she lied by showing her the e-mails she had sent me. She had me talk to a “patient advocate” which I found out later was someone from the patient response team. I asked her specifically if this person was a real patient advocate and she said yes. She lied to my face. The so called Patient advocate also told me that because they had evaluated me, the Puget Sound medical history did not matter. The problem was that when the Roudebush VAMC did not use the Puget Sound VAMC medical history on any of my first evaluations, x-rays, MRI’s and CT scans. It states “comparison none” No one will listen to me. The real Patient Advocate stated there was nothing she could do.
The Roudebush VAMC pain clinic was nothing but lies. In the orientation, that made it clear that they were not going to take away anybodies narcotic pain medication, only to help manage it. When I went to the one on one appointment, the first thing that Mary Crawford (pain nurse) told me that she was going to take away my narcotic pain medication and put me on NSAIDS. I told her I could not take NSAIDS and she said that was her decision and if I did not want to take NSAIDS, that was up to me.
I was then sent to the Pain Pharmacist who made it a point to make me out to be a drug addict. This is a PHARMACIST, someone who should look at patient previous medications if she is supposed to make a treatment plan. In her notes, it states none when asked about previous medications. She tried to make it appear as if I was high during the appointment by stating that I had very large pupils with contacts covering my naturally blue eyes. I do not have blue eyes, I have brown eyes. I was born with brown eyes. No contacts at all, I cannot wear them.
Sorry this is long but for those who do not know my history, now you do. If you did not want to know my history, then why did you read down to this point? I am kidding.
I also have something that I sent to Ben in reference to a bill trying to be passed by the Veterans Service organizations. If I read this right, they supposedly want to help homeless veterans. The problem is that they want to take lottery money in the amount of $125,000 a year to help with the veterans. Buried in this bill is a part in which the service officers will get a salary for doing this. There is no amount listed for the salary. The requirement for getting the salary is to work 1,000 hours. That equates to 20 hours a week. It also does not state that they have to be working on homeless veterans to receive this salary. They also have an account nestled in the “fund” that will not be subject to the same accountability rules as the fund. It can contain any amount of the $125,000 and can be used for the salaries, or for whatever they want to use it for.
It is Indiana Senate Bill 517. It is passing but nothing has been said about the salaries. The Service organizations have someone who deals with homeless veterans. HVAF is a VA funded organization which does the same thing the service organizations are claiming they want to do I was through HVAF when I was homeless). They are paid a salary for the work they do and now they will get two salaries.
Also to “change the way the brain thinks about pain” is brainwashing.
f8f

namnibor
namnibor

@f8f- Good to see you are at least giving them a hell of a fight and good to see you again. Did you finally gain some semblance of independence in your life since? Indy?

figure8fan
figure8fan

Hell no! I am still fighting that freaking place. The more I try the deeper it gets. My PCP seems to get a lot of secure e-mails from me lately. I do believe that I am now getting some retaliation due to the fact that I have been in contact with the local news and the reporter is trying to get this crap out in the light. There are several of us vets who have sent her our latest medical records to be gone over by a private doctor. This doctor is no fan of the VA and so far he claims he cannot believe what he has read in some of our medical records. The reporter has been getting stonewalled by the VAMC after she put in for a FOI. They keep playing games with her and that is delaying the story.
I was doing so good since my homelessness. The job I have I love. I am working 50 hours a week now as we are behind. When we are slow, they want us to keep out hours to around 42 hours. So they do not care if we get overtime even when we have nothing to do. We get a bonus at Christmas. My apartment is great, I love the location. I was really being active, and doing everything my PCP had asked me to do on my part. That was all just a lie as she had already decided what was going to happen.
I did sign a paper to agree to be weaned by 10 tablets a month. I had no choice. It was the lesser of two evils. She told me Mon. that if had not signed the paper she would not have prescribed the narcotic pain medication. Show would have weaned me at a much faster rate and I would most likely not be here anymore. I am so afraid of the future as I will have pain that will be like some of you have already had. I did deal with it earlier and I am not sure I can go through that again.

Windguy
Windguy

I haven’t slept prostate in a bed for over a month. Every time I lay down – fetal or on my back – I’m good for 20 minutes and the full spinal contractions kick my ass. I sleep in my Stressless recliner. Still, I need some rest. I can gobble less painkillers except NSAIDs (which fragged my esophagus) and muscle relaxants to no avail. Tramadol, carisoprodol, tylenol.. fuckitall. I drove 3.5 hours to ER – ask for something stronger – nope, gotta wait to see my PCP. Top it all off, my claims were all just denied – never even got a Comp and Pen meeting. Just the fucking finger. I’m tired of the pain, tired of the nightmares, tired of group and counseling, tired of getting sucked into the VA maelstrom, tired of not sleeping, tired GOP and DEM extremism, and like Lilly Von Stupf in Blazing Saddles, I’m tired of being tired. I’m at the point of saying fuck it all and walking away from all things VA and getting on with my life, or, get on with the alternative.

namnibor
namnibor

@Windguy- ‘Blazing Saddles’, “I’m Tired”, sung by Madelyn Kahn, by Mel Brooks:

“[Here I stand, the goddess of Desire

Set men on fire

I have this power

Morning noon and night it’s drink and dancing

Some quick romancing

And then a shower

Stage door johnnies always surround me

They always hound me

With one request

Who can satisfy their lustful habits

I’m not a rabbit

I need some rest

I’m tired

Sick and tired of love

I’ve had my fill of love

From below and above

Tired, tired of being admired

Tired of love uninspired

Let’s face it

I’m tired

I’ve been with 1000’s of men

Again and again

They promise the moon

They always coming and going

Going and coming

And always too soon

Right girls?

I’m tired,

Tired of playing the game

Ain’t it a crying shame

I’m so tired

God dammit I’m exhausted

Tired, tired of playing the game

Ain’t it a crying shame

I’m so tired

[Soldiers:]

She’s tired (She’s tired)

Sick and tired of love (Give her a break)

She’s had her fill of love (She’s not a snake)

From bellow and above (Can’t you see she’s sick)

Tired (She’s bushed)

Tired of being admired (Let her alone)

Tired of love uninspired (Get off the phone)

She’s tired (Don’t you know she’s pooped)

I’ve been with 1000’s of men

Again and again

They sing the same tune

They start with Byron and Shelly

And jump on your belly

And bust your ballon

Aye!

Tired, tired of playing the game

Ain’t it a freakin’ shame

I’m so…

Let’s face it everything below the waist is kapput!

[Soldiers:]

Tired!]”

cj
cj

@Windguy: Truly sorry about the denials. Don’t let those basards win. YOU are the warrior, not those pansey asses. The alternative you talk of is final, never a good choice. How the hell are YOU going to kick THEIR, asses if your not here to do so? You know enough from my comments, that I am on your side. Pain killers have never helped my pain, nothing has ever helped my pain. I am just lucky enough, that I have been living with this for so many years, it has just become normal to me. I wish you were at that same place. I can tell you from experience, the body has a way of taking care of itself. Worse thing for bad back pain is heat. Some days I spend the entire day on a large ziplock filled with ice. It sounds barbaric, and maybe it is, the point is, try everything until you find something that works for you. It may end up being the craziest thing in the world that works, you just need to keep on keeping on. I hope you know I am not making ight of your situation or trying to downplay it in any way, just trying to help a brother.

figure8fan
figure8fan

I use the Lidocaine patch 5% for my back. I tend to use it more because I am trying to not use my knees. My PCP prescribed these for my knees. I still have no idea how you are to place a 4 in by 6 in patch on your knees for 24 hours and expect it to stay. I put one of those down on my lower center of my back and the relief is almost instant. I have hundreds of these things that I will not use but my PCP told me to continue to use them even after I told her they were not helping.
f8f

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

Believe it or not the Lidocain patches are not local. You can slap one on anywhere and it will allegedly help your knee. Should say that on the box, or google away (I refuse to recommend calling the tele-care phones answered by one person that has a vague idea what they are talking about and 10 who are clueless and need you to be fluent in Taglog)

figure8fan
figure8fan

J.
I put them on right above my knees and under my braces. They did help a little in the beginning but it did not continue. I stopped them for a week and I could not tell any difference. I restarted them and again nothing. I was hopeful at first because I know that I will have to find something to help as my narcotic pain med will be reduced to nothing.
Nitewish commented on the topical cannabis healing lotion working. If it would not show up in the dreaded drug screen, I would give it a shot. When my med get so low, I will try it. I will have nothing to lose then.
f8f

NiteWish
NiteWish

figure8fan, I don’t know if the lotion will test you positive but you can buy your own drug tests from a place like “homehealthtesting.com” for $1.95 each & they ship fast. I too would like to know if the lotion will give a dirty test but I smoke it too so I know I’m not clean.

figure8fan
figure8fan

thanks for the info. I have been fighting these assholes for so long and I would really hate to give them any ammo to help their side. I will look into this as I will need something soon to help and then I will not give a crap about what they say.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Nitewish , @figure8fan – If you’re doing cannabis, you may want to try pure isolate CBD crystals under your tongue. Or, you may want to smoke CBD oil with a vaporizer. Also, try to keep you stress as low as possible. Possibly supplement with Melatonin, 5 HTP, L-Tryptophan, GABA, B-2, L-Taurine, TMG, Omega 3 Fish Oil, and Magnesium. And, you may want to consider adding Over-the-Counter [OTC] Benedryl, or some other form of antihistamine to possibly help you to sleep, calm down, or to take the edge off.

NOTE; The above comment is not medical, nootropic, or supplemental advice. Check with your Primary Care Physician for clearance before taking any chemical compound [that is if they are truly on top of the subjects previously mentioned]. Good luck. ANutterVet

wayne harper
wayne harper

Thats great, now i have to pay %25 of m y retirement to a priv. Dr. to send me to a Pain managment center.
you wont find that any place in my records. I did give them to my VA PCP. its all a joke. what is the number for vets now drinking or taking street drugs or suicide? what about house bounds and depressed?

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

Hell of a lot more than the 16,000 a YEAR that supposedly will ON on Heroin that was somehow a abused NARCOTIC PRESCRIPTION drug… That Heroin is a Schedule ONE as in NO MEDICAL USE doesn’t seem to disqualify Heroin OD’s as “Adverse effects” from PRESCRIPTION NARCOTICS

Jo3n
Jo3n

@Cj, I can only guess, your appointment went, came with surprises. Just to get home unscathed, without scathing anyone else, is a good thing. The VA actually gets off on the suffering of one Veteran, let alone all the Veterans they get to see in pain. Then you get this smug and insulting look…, the look I always see. That look that causes feelings of less than. There’s nothing I can do. Without first hand knowledge, it’s like a sex crime was committed by the VA, if I tell, they won’t like me anymore. I dislike dealing with the VA, as it is.

cj
cj

@Jo3n: Your spot on Jo3n. I can add nothing to your comment, it is perfect as is.

namnibor
namnibor

THAT *look* has a name but it takes two words for the VA’s variety: Indifference & Disdain. While giving a crocodile grin but no tear.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – They’re incapable of tearing, until it happens to one of them or their love ones. The dam bloated toads. Plus, they need to morph from a croc to a another species of animal. Hmm, may be human.

namnibor
namnibor

“bloated toads”…LMAO! Crossed with a sloth and sewer rat. Highly evolved mutants from Darwin’s basement experiments that got away and got loose in the swamp.

Speaking of swamps. I see the congress critters tried at the last minute to push it to a vote after removing from the new healthcare law: AMBULANCE RIDES. I KID YOU NOT. The rat bastards somehow thought in a healthcare insurance plan covered ambulance rides for emergencies…oh…and ER VISITS were hacked from covered…WTF? Luckily, it did not make it to a vote because there were also a bunch of other things cut almost like someone went down a last while walking down the hall holding a sharpie marker and randomly marking off things to try to appeal to the Dino Critters, and do not forget about the Koch Brothers….but somehow with all this flurry, Veterans and The VA Swamp seems forgotten and the Swamp is gurgling more so than ever with apparently such a massive blast from it’s intestinal past, D.C. is no longer safe with an open flame for miles.

I think the VA and OIG and VA Pubic and Public Affairs are taking full advantage of the smokescreen over Russia and Healthcare to slowly try to release an elongated silent but very deadly fart of VA scandal…wait for it…

The critters are playing a chess game of time….what are they trying to stave-off?

Ch-ch-ch-ch-ange!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – In reality, they are really, Ch-ch-ch-ch-choking on the Ch-ch-ch-changes. An unnatural gag reflex due to overstuffing their epical orifice. Stuffed with what? I’ll let your mind wonder a bit. Hint; backyard bar-b-q.

cj
cj

Have to start dinner, later gators.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Originally, I found this blog, looking for answers. In the beginning, I found many Veterans who have at least one thing in common: We are all angry. It appears that we’ve been battered by the VA for months, years, decades. I may have Stockholm Syndrome. I’m in on class action lawsuit against the VA, alleging violations against Veterans’ rights. How long has this crap been going on? Looks like everywhere I look, another memorandum replaces Rights, and breaks laws. Resulting in the needless deaths of Veterans, another chain attached to tragedy. Original point, I now have more questions. Rant out