SURPRISE! VA Veterans Choice Faces $1 Billion Short Fall

294

In old school Robert McDonald fashion, Secretary David Shulkin has gone back to Congress, hat in hand for more money due to bad money management.

Some things change, like the face of the Secretary, but other things remain the same, like VA failing to manage billions in taxpayer funds each year resulting in shortfalls that affect access to health care and resources for veterans nationwide.

“On financial projections, we have to do better,” Shulkin said. “We do not want to see veterans impacted at all by our inability to manage budgets.”

Where VA lacks, it makes up by screwing other veterans out of benefits. It does this by holding back on overtime pay, using bad criteria to ensure accurate benefits adjudication, or playing allocating funds intended for Veterans Choice to instead cover cures for Hepatitis C.

Remember that one? I am sure VA does not want Congress to remember that diversion of funds. What about all the billions spent on broken IT projects that never work? Ditto.

So what’s the story? How is VA allowed to continue to mismanage funds that are rerouted to fund political campaigns and other crony purposes?

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/2017/06/22/veterans-affairs-facing-1-billion-shortfall-because-unexpected-choice-program-costs/418787001/

Sort by:   newest | oldest | most voted
lily
lily

Iran just got 150 billion. How about we just give them 1 billion less?

Pete Perez
Pete Perez

My Opinions: Tell Iran that “they have to immediately return, to the U.S., 50 Million Dollars given to Iran out of the 150 Billion Dollars or we will Nuke them into Hell for their eternity!” *

Angela
Angela
@Benjamin, Navy Veteran found dead laying beside his car from Dunnellon, FL. SAD. They are saying he left the VA in Gainesville, FL against doctor’s orders. This could be possible but I seriously doubt this is the truth. They need to investigate the whole situation. For a veteran to leave a hospital when he went there in the first place asking for help, this situation points to more than likely that the Veteran left because his treatment was not going the way that it should. And, remember the VA covers up to the point to where it benefits them. Benjamin,… Read more »
Angela
Angela

@Everyone, I wish all a wonderful 4th of July. Our greatest day ever. Independence Day –4th of July 1776. Celebrating Our Freedoms.

Ben riggio
Ben riggio

F–k all but the USA. We want back Okinawa, Panama Canal and all that Americans bled and died for. 😡

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

It’s already been sold to the highest bidder…..We just call it…WE gave control back to that country, and no one is any wiser …….Whats so hard about asking for a audit….

namnibor
namnibor

Oooops! You uttered the disturbing word of “AUDIT”…off to the Disruptive Behavior Committee with you while the VA paints the turds with their Midas Touch.

RAND agrees in that the word “AUDIT” is way too close that that VA Kryptonite called Accountability. Now, off to the DBC Stormpoopers with you!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
DBC Stormpoopers …LOL…I could give a fuck less…LOL… every time I walk out of the doctors room, and I run into my nurse I tell him, that doc is totally worthless……Yesterday I went to the eye doctor and told her my left eye would just go gray and fuzzy so she checked it real close and went out to look at the xray they just took and came back and told me I probably had blockage in my neck, No wonder the headaches for the past 2 years..I know what arthritis feels like. Worthless PCP…….I guess the DOC wanted to… Read more »
James Clement
James Clement
We are NOT impacted SEVERELY by your inability to manage your VA Budget, Mr. Secretary. It is a MINOR inconvenience. You will always BEG for more money from Congress. We ARE SEVERELY NEGATIVELY impacted by the VHA and VBA’s tendency to “look the other way” for items listed below: 1. Employees who Lie to Veterans about what benefits are available to them. 2. Employees who steal prescription pain-killing drugs from the VA Pharmacies, then resell them. 3. Employees who routinely miss work for a myriad of reasons. Then are not properly disciplined. 4. Employees who cannot properly schedule appointments for… Read more »
cj
cj

Excellent Ben…….bingo!!!!!!

Rog
I don’t know, I’m kinda sorta starting to like Dr. Shulkin… We know that: a) he’s kept his head down up til now, when he’s finally in a position to really make positive changes (a sign of maturity), b) he’s not pointing the finger playing the blame game after the fact, he’s just getting on with making the damn changes (another sign of maturity), and c) he’s COMPLETELY honest in saying that VA just CAN’T manage its own budget(s), BUT he doesn’t give a fuck and wants another $ billion in order to fulfill THE PROMISE. Or rather, he wants… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Hat? Hats Off? VSO Piggies JUST LOVE VA Sec. Shulkin. Matter-in-fact, ALL the mad hatters LOVE Shulkin. They also just LOVE their hats. They always come in handy when asking for more $$$ and future “hats” will be constructed around a drone that will fundraise right from the mad hatter’s head and return with a fresh basket of greens. Hats Off….pfff! AssHats!

james gallegos
We will see soon enough what Secretary Shulkin will do with Bad employee’s ! Handed his office real proof of the VA using the so called disruptive committee to let a Disgruntled VA Employee to falsely accuse me of disruptive behavior and stating I wanted to Murder VA employee’s at my local clinic. The VA in Denver has covered it up since 2004, I kept fighting it and have obtained real evidence of what happened and how the VA let the employee’s use hearsay and 0 proof and yet they punished me, former VA employee being retaliated against by a… Read more »
Mike
Mike

Denver is a mess and can never be fixed. Have 50 stories

James Gallegos

Let’s hear them, we have a lot of time to read your posts.

People have to know about them all. !

Wayne
Wayne
The proof will be in the 2018 VA Budget. The Demon, Budget director Mulvaney, has a cut IU benefits of $3B. Shulkin just intimated that this cut would not be fair and he would make up the difference in other programs. That $3B was going to go for Choice programs which is already in trouble. I do have an Idea that could help, especially for Vets who receive either Social Security or Social Security Disability and Medicare. Let veterans use their Medicare benefits to chose the doctors they want to use. Make the VA honor all prescriptions of these civilian… Read more »
cj
cj
@Wayne: Good post. I only receive minimal care for my service connected injuries, ZERO in compensation. I am 100% disabled, SSDI/medicare, and use the private sector for all my medical needs. I need both knees replaced and although those are service connected, I will use the private sector for that as well, when the time comes. I find also, that using “goodrx.com” I save a shitload of money as apposed to using the VA for my meds. The VA charges 15 bucks a month per med, I can get the same med, 90 days supply for 10 bucks, that is… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy
At the risk of being accused of progressive/commie/socialist ideals – keep in mind that the Greatest Generation paid a top tax rate of 94%, and built the best roads and best school system on the planet. Since then, our world revolves around lower taxes and “special” tax credits for special interests, our roads are shot, and our schools are a joke. Ya – the liberal agenda is nothing short of goofy – soon enough we’ll be sharing bathrooms with friggin farm animals. But there was a time that this country did things quite well and it coincided with taxes on… Read more »
James Clement
James Clement

@Windguy – – – Truer words on this blog I have never read.

VAL-OR, USA
VAL-OR, USA

I’d feel more comfortable with him and his stable of senior bureaucrats if they (1) fessed up to acknowledging that the oil drilling is unlawful at WLA according to the Deed, (2) but it all out on the table for active veteran advocates to work with and (3) stop trying to fix DVA by itself.
You can’t solve a problem with the same thinking that created it.

namnibor
namnibor
“[…“On financial projections, we have to do better,” Shulkin said. “We do not want to see veterans impacted at all by our inability to manage budgets.”…]” ALL Veterans, remember VA Sec. Shulkin’s quoted words above anytime the VA even remotely attempts to place any given Veteran with a VA Appointed Fiduciary to manage your $$$$ when the VA off-the-cuff determines that a given Veteran cannot MANAGE their money. Straight from the very voice from leadership at the VA: WE CANNOT MANAGE $$$$$. “…OUR INABILITY TO MANAGE BUDGETS…”!!!!! I would think it would be very hard for the VA to justify… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Anyone think it’s a coincidence that VA Sec. Shulkin is utilizing the precipice of Independence Day/July 4th Holiday to use as a backdrop to ask for more $$$$???? Again, we Veterans are being utilized as stage props for more $$$, but at least THIS TIME the Secretanry is not threatening to CLOSE DOWN HOSPITALS if they don’t get their demands!!!
Not a coincidence at ALL! Rat Bastards!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

namnibor……THE VA REQUIRES AN APPOINTED FIDUCIARY…I hear Bernie Madoff is available for Trusteeship and Money Management 101 classes held right in the prison. …I just about choked on my toast after reading that one..LMFAO…and still laughing LOL…GOOD ONE

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
The paragraph that begins; “VA is already instructing its medical centers to limit the number of veterans sent to private doctors.” is very telling!!!!! Because, 1.) I’ve yet to meet a veteran able to use the Choice Program! 2.) PCP’s at my clinic are still using the “original law” of the Choice Program. Which doesn’t allow veterans a choice! 3.) In my opinion, the only persons allowed to use the Choice Program are veterans which work at VA’s nationwide. Leaving the rest of us, who don’t have other forms of healthcare, to only use regular VA healthcare providers! (And, their… Read more »
MIFNP
MIFNP

Hello Crazy Elf,
I am not a VA employee and I have used Choice for both neurosurgery and dermatology. The rumor is that the program is due to sunset in September, but I am confident it will continue due to the lack of technology services needed to properly treat some veterans.
Have a great day!
MIFNP

Chaplain Howard Potash
Chaplain Howard Potash

What I would love to know is; What has happen to all of the money that they bill our insurance companies
for treatment when we are 100% disabled and are supposed to be treated and not to worry about anything?
They use your insurance companies money and no one can account for it….

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Good question preacher man, why do they always ask, is your insurance up to date

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Seymore,
Yesterday you ask me about a statement made by “Scott nelms” on Thailand.
I didn’t catch that. Thanks.
I thought he was referring to the use of Agent Orange and other chemicals.
It didn’t dawn on me he could have been referring to “Sarin gas”!
And of course, the cover-up by our DOD long ago!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Hey Elf, The reason why I pointed Scott Nelms connection to Thailand out was because he former Pilot from Thailand trying to tell us not to dig into Thomas G. Bowman’s past. The planes said to be carrying and dropping the Sarin gas cluster bombs came out of Thailand. His words were “I personally know Tom and have seen him several times this year as he is from the Tampa Bay area. He is already getting a bum rap from these comments. Let’s give him a chance instead of trying to find dirt on him. I am aware of none,… Read more »
JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

I call the ” shortfall ” The EDWIN CROSBY Effect…..Get it ?

cj
cj

@JOHN T COKOS: John, LOVE IT………..The EDWIN CROSBY Effect~~~Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!!!!

James Clement
James Clement

@JOHN T COKOS – – – Isn’t that the guy looking at SPN and SPD codes?

cj
cj
@James Clement: Yes, Ed Crosby not only exposed the secret codes, but also exposed how the VA takes a claim number from a claim that was denied, assigns a fictitious name to it, and then deposits the compensation for that claim into hidden bank accounts, to the tune of over 500 million dollars per month. A lot of that money finds it’s way into your politicians re election campaign fund. Now is it any wonder why we can’t get the VA to change? People like Mike, and raptor eagle need to wake the fuck up, and stop trying to divide… Read more »
Bob anderson aka Phantom Raider 2/6
Bob anderson aka Phantom Raider 2/6
I might be coming late to this party – SPN Codes that is: Separation Program Numbers. Not sure they are really secret as I’ve known about them for 40 years. These little 3 digit numbers are on Millions I suspect of DD-214’s. They detail the reason that a Veteran separated from the service including things perhaps you might never have been told as the reason. Of course a poor typist might have transposed a number or three, sticking you with something you weren’t. Shitty Employers used this number NOT to hire Veterans too. You can Google Separation Program Number, there… Read more »
cj
cj

@Bob anderson aka Phantom Raider 2/6:

Bob, you are 100% correct, misuse of spn numbers to refuse, employment to damn good Veterans. Secret in the sense, most Veterans were not aware of the codes, or why they were refused employment.

Welcome Bob, you can’t be late to the party that never ends.

Later Gators -!¡¡!-

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Reminds of the Judy Collins song “Send In The Clowns ” Just sub Veterans for Clowns. Take us off the shelf, dust us off, and show us off. THEN put us back where we belong till the next ” show and tell ” ploy…..

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Off topic but important.

I see Google has gone to full censorship mode in the Google News Section. No more tools for advanced searches such as listing search results by date. Instead you only get stories listed in an order chosen by their system of ranking.

Full on Censorship.

Horace
Horace
You talk about a couple worthless very expensive miss management of money just two,,, GOD I know of two that were totally benfits given out that would of amounted into 10s of million of wrong benefits handed out to veterans,,, that should of never got them,,, but continue to this day still receving them until there death my Uncle was one of them,,, DAM DAM DAM,,, then you tell me about cutting my compensation of Disability turning of retirement age???????? what the hell do you think is going right now threw my head,,, I have totally been ruined for 47… Read more »
cj
cj

@Horace: Sorry Horace, I know I left the reservation on that last post. I have absolutely no clue what point I was trying to make.

cj
cj

This up here ↑↑↑↑belongs way the hell down there ↓↓↓↓

cj
cj

And that down there ↓↓↓↓ belongs way the hell up here ↥↥↥↥ Damn, even I am confused now. My brain went all humpty dumpty.

cj
cj

Shit……..this all belongs right here and that comment above the “Yes right here ⇑⇑⇑⇑”
Down there↧↧↧↧ belongs up here as well

FUCK!!! I give up!!!!!

Ex va
Ex va

@@cj, LMAOOOOO

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

OFF TOPIC…..we never have enough money for the people..The plan would rely on significant investment from the U.S…So who gets the return on the investment, sure ain’t us the people…..

Israeli plan to capitalize on proxy war in Syria
by syrianpatriots

Israel has revealed a new plan to help rebuild war-torn Syria – with the ultimate goal of securing massive stores of natural resources. The plan would rely on significant investment from the U.S., a financial burden that will likely fall hardest on the shoulders of the American public.

Windguy
Windguy

Gad dermit Old Leather, you’re not supposed to care about shit like that. Get yer arse back to the mall and buy shit. Feed the beast boy. You’re too old to be canon fodder – errr .. a hero. So, leash your dogma – lay by your dish and be a good patriot consumer.

Onward Christian Shoppers
Marching to the Mall
There’s a sale at Macy’s
Deep fried food for all. … you get the idea

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy ……….ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…I HEAR YA….NOW BACK TO ZZZZZZZZZZZ

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy,,,,,,The UNITED STATES is in Chapter 7 involuntary bankruptcy and is being liquidated. The USA is in Chapter 11. We have international bankruptcy “Trustees” named by Secondary Creditors swarming in on us— the Paramount Security Interest Holders…….now back to sleep….ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Windguy
Windguy

Sleep Sheeple sleep, the sandman can linger,
We know our buddies, won’t give us the finger…..

Bill
Bill

How in the hell can they be short since it takes an act of congress to get approved for the “choice”

i use to think “military intelligence” wad the best oxymoron I ever heard but “veterans choice” has surpassed it.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

The basic problem is Veterans Choice is conceptually a Great Idea but the doofi do not know how to manage it!

James Gallegos

Maybe so many veterans wanted choice and not the va, so the money did not last. !

This should be an indicator that veterans are unhappy with the va and tried to get out from under va employees.

Close the va and have all veterans use choice. Billions saved from salaries and bonus money and maintenance.

Windguy
Windguy

He hey hey – knock off that military intelligence thing. Some of us actually knew what we were doing. Worse yet- some of us actually gave a shit. And the real dumbies – moi – voluntarily violated our own REMF oath.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Like international drug smuggling, the CIA predatorily controls the global child sex trafficking trade as well. Historically the UN “peacekeeping” forces and private US contractors like DynCorp have also been notorious in buying and selling child sex slaves from CIA run global trafficking rings. It’s actually legal to sell children in nations like Pakistan and Thailand where it’s a $1 billion business. 8 million children end up missing in the world every year. In the US 800,000 go missing.

LP
LP

There has Got to be something illegal about that name/title. Veterans CHOICE
There are not any choices for care made by Veterans. The choices are all made by VA staff. It’s a fucking lie. The name is a just a cover for more va bs.
Add the title New Cucumber to a sliced turd and it’s still just shit.

namnibor
namnibor

@LP– “[Add the title New Cucumber to a sliced turd and it’s still just shit]”.

You have me laughing so hard. Thanks for those induced endorphins.

LP
LP

No problem.
LOL

Horace
Horace

CHOICE ya I have tried to use it,,,, yep and the doctors that allowed it up here were as bad as going to the VA,,, only the ones that are rated as a low score private doctor except it,,, Yep just see nothing,, but crap,,, I stay out of site of the private,, I can’t find a smile for what I defended,,, its just gone,,,,

Dennis
Dennis
Can Shulkin be any more obvious about what he is trying to sell to Congress with his explanations??? First he says we are all improperly motivated to seek benefits then when we do seek benefits he says it is too expensive! He explains that the “vet” keeps coming back because he couldn’t stay away! It is obvious to me that most folks would realize by now that Dr. Shulkin has simply plagurized Riley Puckett’s immortal song, “The Cat Came Back”!!! What an utter lack of genuine thought on his part!!! He ONLY changed the word “cat” to “vet” and CONTINOUSLY… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Dennis ……And all along I thought the cat was in the cradle with a silver spoon…Cats In The Cradle-Harry Chapin …..YOU know I’m gonna be just like him

touchavet@gmail.com

spending more money by the VA equates with doing an outstanding job don’t you know?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE
Review of Alleged Misuse of Resources by VHA’s Strategic Investment Management, Business Architecture Division 06/28/2017 08:00 PM EDT In February 2015, the Office of Inspector General received an anonymous Hotline complaint stating that the Veterans Health Administration’s (VHA) Strategic Investment Management, Business Architecture Division misused Government funds when it purchased Troux Technologies’ Architect software. The complainant also stated that VA had project management and architecture tools available; and therefore the purchase of this software was a duplication of existing software functionality. The OIG conducted this review to determine the merits of the allegations. We did not substantiate the allegation that… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
The VA cannot manage budgets because congress allows them to get away with it. If congress ever got serious about their oversight responsibility, they would require the VA to put in place a proper accounting system that would allow tracking what they have, what they spent, and where it went. But then, that would mean a giant slush fund could no longer be used as a slush fund. How is it the VA can track payments to veterans down to the dollar amount, or other benefits payments down to the dollar amount, but they cannot track what they spend? Recall… Read more »
OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

91Veteran…..CROOKS GONE WILD….. LOL

cj
cj
@Horace: Horace, I am not sure I can explain this properly, but I will give it a go. Think back before Clinton was president, just about every day, when filling up on gas before heading out to work, there were always new jokes being told in the waiting line. Tell me, when was the last time you heard jokes being told, while standing around? Since then the humor has all but went extinct, except for the clowns at the VA, but that isn’t very humorous. They say most of America is one paycheck away from bankruptcy, enter the hight gas… Read more »
cj
cj

Yes right here ⇑⇑⇑⇑

Horace
Horace

yep tough staying on the same wave,, is next to a dream,,, and then try to go create a thing called intrest to just do the dishes,,, to pick up a hammer for a repair,,, that once was as easy as to blink my eye,, all gone,, and replaced with great difficulty to all life,,, YEP

James Clement
James Clement

@cj – – – Well said. Agree 100%.

cj
cj

Sorry folks, it should read 4th of July 2007, how the hell I got the year wrong?

Angela
Angela

@cj, I very much appreciated what you had to say in your post. You are right on about everything you spoke about. I agree with you totally.

cj
cj

@Angela: Just happy it made some kind of sense, I have no idea what point I trying to make, as I often forget, before I can finish writing it.

Have a great 4th. @}–‘–,——–

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
VA doesn’t care about you as a Veteran. How low can you go when a VA Medical Provider continually changes the amount of your prescription medication. And, I’ve had to show how to come up with the right milligram amount. My provider is a Nurse Practitioner. Please, no postings about getting upgrades. VA is in the process of completely cutting me off, unless I take more Pain Medication to be able to POSSIBLY try to get in for an appointment. I haven’t even been outside to do my 10 -12 minute exercising walk. For me to possibly handle a length… Read more »
Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

You have the legal right to change providers!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Thanks Bob. Submitted the change to VA for PCP that is licensed in my State, and at least has some experience in writing prescriptions and trained (a tad now) in Pain Management.

Dan F
Dan F
Yep, you sure do have a right to change PCPs. I have done it to the point there is no one left to change to. I had a doctor who was so bad, he didn’t even realize the pains he had were heart related – he died. (That is the story from the folks at the CBOC where he complained of chest pains for several days and they urged him to see his own doctor and he said it was indigestion – he dropped dead at work). Onto number 2, this was a (foreign born) female MD who never saw… Read more »
Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Nutter:

It sounds like you’re in a shitty VISN. I live in Michigan and my VA Health Center Director is 100% Pro Veteran. I’ve gotren her involved in several of my issues with the local HCC and everyone has been resolved in my favor!

Also have you tried the Patient Advocate! If tgat didn’t work perhaps the VA IG.

Back in the day, a mention of going to the IG caused a losining of bladder and spincter control.

Give that a thought too!

91Veteran
91Veteran
Bob, that may have been the way the VAIG worked years ago, but after Obama illegally fired 4 agency IGs, the rest got the message and decided not to do their jobs for the rest of his terms. Congress allowed them to get away with it, and still do. Go to the VA IG web site and see what they proudly proclaim they will investigate. I called the hotline over a year ago about my VA committing serious insurance fraud. The bimbo that answered was snotty, told me they don’t investigate that kind of problem and hung up on me.… Read more »
James Gallegos

Your right they pick and choose, you have none inspectors answering the phone and letters and they make the decisions.

People like Diana Rubins and Graves. Who are willing to do what ever is needed to not do what the law calls for.

Question, has anyone heard about a military build-up in wyo, told that if you go on you tube people are reporting a military build-up in many small towns.

Rumor that the volcano may blow.????

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Time to round up the sheep

cj
cj

@OLDMARINE: You sure give me a lot to think about..

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

cj …..That’s because you have your eyes open…THAT’S A GOOD THING

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson
In defense of Shulkin, a non veteran that I DO NOT like or trust, this isn’t his budget! Actually, he told The Senate hat he DOES NOT need more money from them. He DOES need them to re-write a segment of the law allowing him to use the money (from another pot) in order to continue funding Choice! Just yesterday while visiting my local OPC, I discovered thatthey can no longer refer Veterans to Choice because of funding, while 10 feet away is a pot of 3.+ billion dollars already in the budget that he can’t legally touch without a… Read more »
james gallegos

thanks for your post, what date do we look at on the committee.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

June 14, 2017 Senate Hearing on Veterans Affairs. It’s two hours but I got a good education.

James Gallegos

Thanks

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Bob Anderson – – – Wait, wait, Shithead “Shitty” Shulkin still wants more money. The money from the pot (I didn’t know VA is a MMJ dispensary). Learn something new every day. If someone purchases a bag from the VA, please check potency, weight, and to see if it is real. Sorry about the sidetrack Bob. But he wants the pot and then if all monies are recovered from TDIU, well that’s a lot of money. Don’t defend this character. Impression is to make others think that Shulkin is doing good. But you on the other hand, a slim limed… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Breaking off for a tad. Need to regroup. I’ll tell you folks, I hope none of you have to go through the intentional infliction of emotional distress from the VA. Real-time!

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Nutter:

I’m not defending him. Re-read my 1st sentence.He said 2 weeks ago in the Hearing, that he DOES NOT need more money. He needs the LEGAL authority to use that pot of cash to fund Choice which ran out of money on Friday.

They need 1 bag of cash not 500 bags!

I think this whole group of critters will bend us over a desk in a heartbeat..

This is why I have contacted 223 different critters and Organizations, including this one since his FY18 budget was announced.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Sorry Bob, didn’t mean to sound harsh. I’m just trying to keep afloat here until I can find a way to escape. Literally. Been jumpy, PTSD hasn’t been managed or properly treated in years. Sometimes it gets to be to much.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Bob, you are correct that this is not Shulkins budget, but he is still responsible for properly administering what he is given.

As for congress needing new legislation for Still on to use other money for Choice…I don’t believe they need legislation, but they DO need congressional approval to spend money differently than how congress intended.

That is a simple process that federal agencies do often.

The problem results from congress not wanting that money spent differently than intended.

The question I have is, what pot of VA money holds 3 billion that was not spent as intended?

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

He called it Community —–. Forgot the word but he said it hold 3.+ Billion. He said he needed a re-write to use those dollars

Just puking back what he said!

At any rate Choice has NO more money in their pot!

Rich B.
Rich B.

Bob ,

I disagree that this administration does not want to honor its commitments to veterans. First they have only been in office less than 6 months, and It has certainly done a lot more already to help veterans than left wing Obama ever did. As to unemployability compensation for veterans who are not actually rated 100%, the government has a history of grandfathering in those who already have a benefit when the laws or rating guides are changed.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson
So. We should NOT advocate for ourselves and hope this Administration will Grandfather us in? Shulkin has said the dollars that go to the Targeted Class ( my words) will go into the Choice Program. What this means to most of us, is that this 3.2 Billion Dollars for 2018, will help to possibly fix Choice while ruining financially up to 225,000 Vietnam Veterans and stripping their Spouses of CHAMPVA. If you are 60% and married, compensated at 100% P&T, you would have 23,000 dollars lessin your checkbook next year! Then try to replace CHAMPVA with less money and rising… Read more »
Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Back to Choice for a moment. Shulkin gave a rundown which really explains the problem: The VA has ONLY 5 days to find, approve and schedule a Doc under this program. If it can’t be done in 5 days, it’s kicked back to the VA and sits there unless they tell the veteran they can’t get him/her scheduled.The veteran then starts over and this sad state continues until the vet gets scheduled! Then there is no allowed f/u from the Doc allowed W/O going through this BS approval cycle again! Happened to friend of mine!

Sad.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Same here. Now add in the complexity of basically interviewing a Doctor to see if you’re compatible and feel comfortable with him, but more, the medical services that they provide.

Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

Was seeing PA’s for years and was satified UNTIL another guy said that I should NEVER have been taking 800mg of Ibruprofen for YEARS.

That should up when my Kidney Function Test showed a significant lowering.

Got them to put it in my Medical Records BUT”…………….

WTF?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Bob, if your doing OTC’s on a daily basis, try using N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC), along with other potent Anti-Oxidants. Doctors won’t tell you about NAC. Used for Percocet overdoses to help remove residual molecules from your liver, kidneys, bladder, etc. Giving out my specials again.

For All- What Physician has ever told you about NAC? Be honest now.

91Veteran
91Veteran
Bob, Part of the problem with a vets referral to Choice is the vet not being aggressive, or knowing they can tell Choice who they want to see. Some vets referred to Choice will wait until notified by Choice who they will be seeing. I think this is the wrong step by the vets. Either Choice or the VA will run a vet in circles of the vet allows it. Both times I have been referred to Choice, I called Choice, for the Authorization number, then told Choice who I would be seeing, after confirming with the provider that they… Read more »
Horace
Horace

I’m going to say this to you wonderful for you,,,, they pick and chose who they well grant a good result to and then they don’t that the facts,,,, you stated you picked and they qualified the doctor,,, well friend that don’t always happens,,, glad you did,,, just don’t become blind to others who it doe’snt happen that way,,,,

91Veteran
91Veteran
Horace, I am not saying other veterans have not had a bad experience with Choice. I am saying if veterans want to try have a better experience with Choice, DON’T give Choice a choice in ignoring you. If you have verified a provider as participating in Choice, then Choice should have no problem inscheduling with them. If they do have a problem, then it is Choice playing games rather than doing their jobs. I am not cheerleading for Choice. I think it’s a program that was sabotaged and poorly managed from the start. I have just read about veterans waiting… Read more »
Rich B.
Rich B.

@91Veteran,

Glad you were able to tell the Choice folks what you were you wanted to go for care. I have tried that and it does not always work. In fact, Choice pays no more that tricare or medicare, and a lot of providers will not except it that is why I was told I would have to drive over an hour to get care under the program. Factually, many veterans aren’t able to pick who they want to see under choice.

Rich B.
Rich B.
Bob, whenever I was referred to choice it always took more than 5 days in one case 6 months before I could get the care that was requested. The request for care was not kicked back after 5 days because of this delay… when do you get this crap? Factually, they only way a request for care under choice is kicked back is when the veteran refuses care under the program. Just because Choice is available for care, doesn’t mean care is available. I have refused care under choice because it would have required me to go an hour from… Read more »
Bob Anderson
Bob Anderson

The crap I got directly from what Shulkin HIMSELF said in the Senate Hearing on 14Jun. The whole thing is on C-Span!
I can only say what I heard with my own two ears!
Perhaps YOU should invest 2 hours of your time and hear the same thing.
Apology accepted!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Bob Anderson – – – Dang nab there Bob you got the dam juices flowing in some. That’s fine, keeps the dialog going. Who’s apology are you accepting? I know that I apologized earlier. Anyway, there is no need to get tweaked up because of a statement. I’m guilty of this, and I’m trying even though I messed up a bit earlier. Hope that the VA admits that they need to change? Ooo, that’s a big one for the VA to accept that they’ve been doing it wrong. I’d need a lot more bigga hope to see that day. Veteran’s… Read more »
Bob anderson
Bob anderson

Twernt you! Guy who said I was posting Crap about Choice. I was only posting what Shulkin himself said!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Nutter……..a Used Car Dealer that needs a few more sales for the month….LMFAO…

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE – – – But these people are the type where they brag about all the money the have at that night. Then the next day they’re asking you for or to borrow money. See these types all the time. Matter a fact, got some in my family. Another word that’s being redefined all the time.

wpDiscuz