VA refused demands from IAVA to change the agency’s motto despite allegations that the language is outdated and basically sexist by excluding mention of women.

At a time when VA needs to focus on providing care to veterans and fulfilling the existing motto “to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan…”, the organization Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) wants the agency to change it.

The quote comes from Abraham Lincoln in 1865 during the opening of the first government institutions to support veterans. It became the motto used by VA 59 years ago, around 1959.

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IAVA executive director Allison Jaslow claims her calls for a change were merely brushed off by the agency. While the quotes in the media stop short of her calling the motto sexist, we all can infer this is what she basically means.

“They’re missing the point that women don’t feel comfortable at the VA,” she said. “We want to be respected and appreciated as much as male veterans are, and the motto is symbolic of overall challenges.”

I personally know a lot of men who do not feel comfortable at VA, and it has more to do with the agency’s failure to fulfill its mandate implicated by the motto rather than any pronouns used within it.

Kayla Williams, director of the VA Center for Women Veterans, provide the agency response to the demand highlighting how the agency has modified the motto using “modernized” language to make female veterans feel included.

“Recognizing that they can seem exclusionary to some women veterans, for many years I – along with other senior VA leaders – have honored the population we serve today by using a modernized version,” Williams wrote in a letter to Jaslow. “This symbolic update, which we are continuing to gradually incorporate alongside the original in digital and print materials, as well as spoken remarks, is an important acknowledgment of today’s veteran population.”

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In the end, I have no doubt the agency will adopt a new motto, eventually. But while we wait, why not focus all hands on VA fixing its claims processes and healthcare services?

And how about VA altering its motto to make a few people feel better? It certainly seems curious and is worth looking into.

How does one part of the agency make such a decision without top-down approval? Have they already approved an alternate motto and are merely waiting to roll it out?

Do you agree with these concerns that the motto of the organization makes women veterans feel uncomfortable or is there more to the story?

Can quotes like this one from Lincoln be sexist, to begin with? Will altering the text of the quote steal its historical power given we could no longer site Lincoln as the originator of the promise?

Source: https://www.stripes.com/news/va-disregards-request-to-make-agency-motto-gender-neutral-1.509768

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48 Comments

  1. It is just another dogwhistle to divide veterans
    Combat , noncombat. Titties, no titties.
    Fuck you VA and fuck Iava, American Legion and CVA. They should be getting to core issues of deaths and denials.
    No action on protecting your comrade from ill fate by way of medical warfare on veterans is appalling.
    They fail to realize, our men defend our female counterparts and they have a long distinguished history of service and pride. I served and was trained by some dedicated nurses that served in Vietnam. I know some veteran nurses who despise the nursing standards at VA.
    You really suck VA!

    • THE VA DC HQ @THE AFGE UNION THAT REPS 380,00O VA FEDERAL WORKERS DONT GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT DEAD VETS BUT THEY GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT THE PREFAFRMANCE BONOUSES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ TO KILL VETS THATS A LEGAL FACT VA DC HQ ONE BIG BIG FEDERAL RICO CRIME RACKET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • HUD/Vash refusal to port scandal
        San Francisco housing voucher is $3,130 per month run that through a VA mortgage calculator for a 30-year note and you get a $600,000 house why be forced to live in a SRO

    • This reminds me of that SOS bullshit by the Legion.

      Ignore veterans suffering and dying because to do otherwise upsets the gravy train.

    • Well stated, 91.

      Better the VA should begin to TRULY take care of veterans in a proper manner, getting rid of ALL employees who continue to perpetuate DDHTWD (Delay, Deny, Hope That We Die) Syndrome.

      In principle, I agree that it is time to modernize the VA motto. Fixing the VA’s major problems is the higher priority though.

      When the VA works as it should for all veterans who use its “services”, then and only then – – – do we worry about minor crap such as motto changes.

      Here is (my opinion) a good way to BEGIN to address those MAJOR problems:

      1. IMMEDIATELY recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.

      2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.

      3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into military barracks-style housing for homeless veterans.

      4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.

      5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans.

      6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Going to practice in XX state? You need to be LICENSED in XX state.

      7. Any claim a veteran submits to the VBA that requires more than 90 days to adjudicate, is automatically found to be in favor of the veteran. If a VBA claim filed by a veteran is found to be a false one designed to scam the system, the VA will have to prove in civil court that a false claim was intentionally submitted.

      8. All veterans will be allowed to seek/retain the services of a Veterans Rights Attorney from their first initial contact with the VA.

      9. No AFGE, nor any other Labor Union business will be allowed to take place in any Federal Workplace. Conducting Union Business during working hours will be STRICTLY PROHIBITED, and will be STRICTLY ENFORCED.

      Should any government employee be found violating this provision, it will result in IMMEDIATE LIFETIME DISMISSAL FROM ANY/ALL GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYMENT.

      10. Attorneys for appeal will be retained at the former employee’s PERSONAL expense. U. S. Taxpayer’s will not be subject to payment of legal bills for incompetent or dishonest personnel with regards to Governmental Employment.

      Disgruntled Veteran
      1973 – 1976 USMC
      1978 – 1993 USN

      • Correction. Well-Stated, CorpsmanUp! and 91Vet. My mistake. Should have rechecked the entire entry before posting.

        Want my MOUSE back! This TOUCHPAD must have been VA designed, VA approved. SUCKS!

        Disgruntled Veteran

      • Absolutely the very best plan of action I believe i’ve ever been privileged to read from either veteran or civilian. Collectively it would solve such a huge range of issues im seriously in awe that its not adopted by more people in this fight for our basic human rights … much less as Veterans! Thank you for the common sense approach. Seeing another human have the same requests feels really refreshing.

  2. Well it seems to me if we are going to nitpick about a motto uttered by men older than my grandpa then let’s nipick;

    “to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan…”

    Lincoln was specific about caring for those who shall have borne the battle. Doesn’t that leave out those injured outside of battle? What about them? If the kid is not orphaned and you lived what about your kid? What if you call it something else, like “police action”? Are you still cared for when you have borne the police action? (let’s get with the Vietnam crowd on this one).

    I suggest a two part change over. Once part one of the new motto is achieved we can go to part two;

    1) To care for American Veterans without making it a battle.

    then when that is down pat….

    2) Keeping America’s promises to our veterans one veteran at a time.

    I figure the change over and acclimitization period in VA attitudes based on current progress to be no more than five decades and six member votes of the AFGE membership away.

    • The VA could just change a few words that would not take away from the intent that Lincoln meant by the statement. “To Care for them who shall have borne the battle and for their widows and their children”

      • You’re correct, Mike, but given the opportunity, the VA would change it to: “To Care for the AFGE who shall have borne the battle of caring for scary veterans and for the widows and their vile children”.

        Given opportunity, the AFGE would insert themselves further up our collective asses, regardless of gender.

      • Or they could leave an historical quote over 150 years old and try fix why they fail miserably at their mission.

        …which would take another 150 years.

      • Again, the VA prove to be like the Vogon’s, a race of unpleasant and bureaucratic aliens within “The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy”.
        Vogons absolutely loved doing paperwork to apply for even more paperwork, but a change of a mission statement would require several trips to congress with empty hats in-hand for $$$ to fund various committees, whom will never agree with each other, requiring an IT ‘Fix’ to fix the first fix that’s now broken…Vogons, all the way. 😀

        If anyone has never read the orig. novel, “The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Universe”, do yourself a favor and read or re-read, while mentally replacing the ‘Vogon’s’ with the VA…it’s prophecy type material, it’s that scary. (replace intergalactic hiway with VA parking garages, and the Vogons just LOVED to have all the most advanced tech, but had absolutely no idea about how to properly and effectively use their own inventions…like the VA and medical stuff…)

      • Sounds like Mila Kunis in Jupiter Ascending when she encounters bureaucrats so infuriating it makes her robot assistant short circuit.

        I think of that movie every time I deal with the VA.

  3. Bull Shit.
    “Fix the fucking VA before you go slapping new lipstick on the pig”
    How’s that for a new Motto?
    Next we will have to include AFGE members for all that PTSD they been getting for having to deal with all those “trained killers”

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  4. This is ridiculous and distracts from the important stuff like getting proper care to veterans and fixing the VA. As a female veteran, I know who I am. Jesus, IAVA, get a grip!

  5. This bogus Non-profit is only stirring up headlines to mislead people and give them the false impression that they are fighting for female Veterans. They are not!

    The only thing they are trying to do is create headlines in the hopes of tricking a few people to donate to pay raises of their staff.

    Even though it is named “IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN VETERANS OF AMERICA INC”, it is a 501(c)(3) non-profit. Which means it is not even registered as a non-profit Veterans Organization. That is because they do not assist Veterans in any real way that could justify them filing as a Veteran Non-profit.

    In 2004 it was named “Operation Truth Foundation”. It latter changed it’s name to the current “IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN VETERANS OF AMERICA INC” with the stated purpose of not helping Veterans but Stated it’s purpose as a non-profit is:

    “The Organization acts as a clearinghouse for veterans of operation Iraqi freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, Allowing them to share their stories and concerns with the public through the internet, The News Media and in Person”

    Their form 990 filings are available at ProPublica Nonprofit Explorer and demonstrate that the only thing they are about is making money not helping Veterans.

    Their 990’s can be accessed at: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/201664531

    A totally worthless organization that will say anything for a headline.

    • They are also divisive with the premise of titling their organization as Iraq and Afghanistan. Those veterans are the sons and daughters of warriors that served in previous theaters of wars. To title the organization as though it is the only issue that matters, is disingenuous.
      The VA will fuck your shit up period, no matter what theater you served in.
      Now that they have a civilian in charge, it will get worse, because a civilian was appointed to bifurcate the corruption.
      They will say” Hey, we tried something different ”
      You know what that difference is? A STALL TACTIC TO RUN THE TORT TIME CLOCK OUT.
      File your claims!!! I see a pattern in the district courts where VA attorneys are filing motions to have cases shifted to other jurisdictions.

    • The IAVA has been little more than a barely disguised political organization that mentions veterans once in a while.

      I think if they focused on veterans issues they could be effective, but they get seriously sidetracked on political issues far too often.

      This is no different.

      That the VA listens to them is a disservice to all those veterans the IAVA claims to speak for.

    • Wow. Thank you for the info and for working that to give us the chance to share and research too. Wow. What a bunch of sob’s.

  6. So, am I to assume that IAVA have completely given-up on WAY MORE important matters such as…BURN PITS…DEPLETED URANIUM…GULF WAR ILLNESSES…et al…?!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Only to pick-up the world war fight of pronouns? What’s next? Once the VA starts performing sex reassignment surgeries, will yet another correction be required as in: “…to care for formerly he or she whom shall have borne the battle and for their formal widow, and their mentally screwed orphans, with & without balls…”??

    Really, VA and IAVA? Pronouns over improving basic medical safety practices and a fair deal makes your heads reel?
    Seems to me the IAVA simply wanted to ride the coat-tails of the “Me Too” Movement while gaining some public awareness OINKS!
    IAVA, please leave your nonprofit tax status paperwork at the door before exiting in-file without taking any of the donuts on table. Oink!

  7. As long as veterans of any gender continue to wait, be misdiagnosed, suffer malpractice and die, I see this as one of the most misguided and ignorant attempts ever to correct what is wrong with the VA.

    Nobody is comfortable going to the VA. If they are, they are getting special treatment because of horseshit like this.

    Does the IAVA truly believe their treatment will improve if some words on the front entrance are changed? Will their doctors suddenly become stellar physicians? Will their nurses suddenly be the opposite of Nurse Ratched? Will their claim be moved along faster because they are female? Will different words make some bureaucrat actually do their job?

    Will it stop just one veteran from committing suicide?

    Until all of the above…ALL OF IT!, is corrected, this is nothing more than “look at me” bullshit that fixes nothing.

    She or any other feminist should realize if they are killed by the VA, their graves will be the same size as male veterans, and it won’t matter in the fucking slightest what those words say.

    GROW UP FFS!

    • Just in-

      RAND also recommends changing the military’s mantra when in battle and harm’s way, “Spectacles, Testicles, Wallet and Watch”.
      …to: “Spectacles, Titties, Wallet and Watch”.

      RAND recognizes that this saying is the sign of the cross……if you touch them in order (assuming spectacles on your face, testicles where your testicles are or once were, wallet in left breast pocket, and watch in right breast pocket) then you make the sign of the cross……with the new titties inclusion, everyone is included, as everyone has titties. 😀

  8. I went to the national VA Facebook page and looked up in the news section what it is today that is saving veterans lives! This lives up to the old motto for sure. Let me paste a copy of the lead paragraph of this leap forward in VA treatment of mental health issues for combact vets;

    “An innovative program embraces cartooning as a tool to help veterans heal from the wounds of war. A partnership between the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center in White River Junction, Vermont and the nearby Center for Cartoon Studies encourage veterans to communicate, comic book-style, in periodic classes and multi-day seminars.”

    FINALLY at least they admit to what the probram actually is! Makes me want to break out my old copies of Richie Rich….

  9. Exactly what is wrong with those idiots in Washington! They scream a new problem almost daily, adding new ones that say must happen now and someone puts a cookie on the table and take it. Then they forgot everything talked about and then bring up all this dumb shit that does zero but waste time. Wrote my idiot senator with this telling him that all he does is look for the cameras putting himself in the spotlight. He just spins his wheels yelling big problems, now, now, now! I told him make a list with 3 things that he thinks important and prioritize them, starting on the first problem and do nothing else until complete. That is pretty much the real world works and fired when accomplished nothing.

    The idiot got the other idiot senator from Connecticut and went to Puerto Rico to see how badly treated to throw in Trump’s face. I wrote to him why in the world would you two knuckleheads doing taking our money to have the cameras shining on them in Puerto Rico, both of them! They aren’t on any committees for it, their interest is on helping the residents, the voters, home owners, business owners and not anywhere else. You went to find digs on Trump, telling how horrible is? He screams the “Dreamers” and garbage like that quote on a plaque and new memorials. These idiots don’t do any work, it is sad that the people who run this country do nothing but complain.

    BTW? He hates me.

  10. As one woman with enough guts and backbone to work alongside grown men to all the little girls who have attended the “women’s” marches:
    Please stop whining about everything in order to get the attention that you obviously missed out on during childhood. You are divisive. You are counterproductive. Please just get a job or start a family or whatever it is you decide to do in life that makes you a productive part of society. Crying over every little thing makes you look like you are emotionally immature. Woman up. You have now taken the words of a man from the 1800s out of context. You see, back then ALL people were referred to as man in a mixed group. I am willing to bet that you teachers forgot to tell you that because they were too busy being selfish themselves.

    @Ben Lincoln would have been a real fun guy to have around in 1965, but it was a little past his time.
    The quote comes from Abraham Lincoln in 1965 during the opening of the first government institutions to support veterans.

    • Lol, that’s what I get for doing “math” after watching Superbowl commercials for hours. He said the quote in 1865 but it was adopted by VA in 1959… or so the story goes.

    • Well, we need more real women like you to fight this “Marx-Feminism.” Men or a single man or male veterans sure can’t stand up to all the activism or politics (identity politics) at the VA, or in town, including the militant females who seemingly hate any males. Some I don’t know how the heck remain married, or they must walk their men on a lease like dogs. Heck, I know a ton of men that voted for Hillary and vote straight Democrat just to appease the wives. I’d ask why and always got that…. “gotta keep peace at home and make momma (their wives) happy, or be sleeping on the couch.”

      Like most anything else going on today it is meant to divide. Locally at the CBOC which is, or was when I was there, 99.9 % all female is where my problems started with the VA then spread to female staff at the VA hospital. While all other female teammates would cover for the others and profess to how great the trouble makers were and so concerned about about vet care.

      A group of female vets here refused to attend groups we had concerning issues like PTSD, chronic pain issues, anger, etc. Claimed they were all different than us males and preferred the teleconferencing methods apart from us males. Then the groups ended and tele-junk started, and not one female in the group present either.

      I live in a town with three major colleges full of lefty or Marxist activist. One, an all female Catholic college until a few years ago went co-ed, and pissed off the local Marx-Fems. For years turned out the finest man haters, far left wingers, and Marx-Fems out there. They all support those Antifa groups, social justice warriors, the communist/socialist, Hollywood types, Women’s March, the list is endless.

      Everything was made clear when Hillary came to town when running for office. Like the old bra burning days and spreading leaflets around for women to leave their husbands and the like wasn’t’ enough. They all openly stated that men ruined the world. That it was time for women to rule and get control over we worthless men that aren’t needed any longer. Not kidding here either. It’s time for women to make men third class citizens to see how it feels and on that went. And now this article shows what their intentions are when they get to the “top positions.”

      Most things here are now geared for females and demanded. Health care, employment, special groups to support women or get some business started, financial and free legal aid and info.. other stuff I can’t or could not get here. Or special rates for them and their care while some things I had to pay triple for some specialty like acupuncture when I found it. I didn’t get those special rates and the VA refused to pay her rates. So I went without.

      Susan G. Komen stuff is big here. They have, or had, all kinds of special groups or counselors/MDs coming in for talks or sessions. On the news that stuff was reported as “open to the public.” I went for info on local cancer treatments and info for a fiance and was the only male there. Then it was made clear to me that that convention, such sessions, was more geared for females only and focused on breast cancer. My fiance had breast and uterine cancer and too sick to attend so I went to get info and literature. Oh but later on they mentioned they didn’t intend to ignore men with breast cancer.

      Same thing occurred when I went to a local hospital under the Koman name having free discussions on chronic pain. They didn’t mention it was geared toward women, and was the only male there when I walked in. Then later asked if I could handle what the women would be discussing, chronic pain, or what area of the body they might be discussing. I told them I could handle whatever they threw at me or would be discussed. We are grown adults here, right?

      Then to find all this activism crap like I’ve wrote about before more rampant in local hospitals and clinics. Pushed by militants, SPJL, NOW, feminist groups, teacher’s unions, health care unions, globalist, etc. Plus having those kind of females doing the majority of harassing/threatening phone calls coming from a major hospital here and a clinic over the VA crap, identity politics, and/or their spouses being spouses or activist mates in the local corrupt labor/political machines. Everything has been infiltrated by such activist and idiots. And the radical Marx Fems know we can’t treat them like some of the scum-bag males that get in our face and play militant. All they have to do is whine or make a false claim against us and we are in jail, or the likes.

      So far it seems like a no-win situation.

  11. Yes another diversionary shit show, and i hate to be the one to break this news to the VA, but good ole honest Abe was a bigot. Maybe we should change the word history (his-story) to ourstory (our-story). But you know even a bigot is capable of doing good sometimes, but Lincolin was a bigot nonetheless. Yeah, yeah he freed the slaves and all that, but for him it was just a means to an end, to keep power. And institutions are or can be bigots too, ain’t that right VA.

    • Lincoln freed nobody. Lincoln signed orders, penned papers, and made great speaches from a train.

      Lincoln made it at least possible for the black slave try to run away if they wanted but did that stop ANYONE white with a grudge from seeing a black man hung, shot, or lynched? Did black women enjoy protections from rape or get justice when the white man raped her? Nope.

      Lincoln was a bigot? LOLZ my friend he went one WAY bigger than bigotry if we are to judge the man – Lincoln was President. Point to single one without serious morality issues generally centered around the weewee, wallet, and wine. There AINT ONE that I could point to and say, “Gosh I wish I could be like him.”

      • There is a lot of great Americans to quote, and from Americans that were not so divisive. They only teach a bullshit whitewashed version of history in schools with little or no civics classes, remember civics, that’s not taught anymore. My goal was is to shame the VA back into reality. When our leaders lie people die its just that simple and they are not going to get away with lying to any veteran in any form on my watch, if i can help it, ever.

  12. Please excuse my slang and my poor sentence structure as you read my comment. I am severely offended by this groups choice of battles as referenced in the above story and when upset, i tend to type how i think.

    I feel, as a woman, as a veteran, and as a patriot that if i needed any more assurances that i was a woman, or that i am “welcome” then i would most certainly be up a familiar creek. Not that it was sexist to have my training separated from men, my barracks and showers, my PT test or the standards therein. It was sexism when they noticed I was different than them though, the men that is. They would see my hair was longer or my uniform filled out differently but shame on them for taking their eyes off of the enemy or the American flag! I mean for the love of (insert chosen, non offensive term here). This is why there are now sensitivity cards in boot camps and It’s known as ‘The kinder, gentler Armed Forces’. That’s the prime example of oxymoron. Definitively.

    It’s not the fact that i admire and respect my countrys’ history, in its entirety. (Regardless of it being viewed as sexist or racist, or ridiculous as it were when it was, history is operative and key to the term, ladies.) It most likely isn’t even that, (**whether or not I personally agree with whom holds/held the office of My Commander in Chief, period. Blank check and orders that are lawful are just as stated. Have some respect for self if not Abe Lincoln) smh, people who have had such a relationship with the care they personally receive, time is about all they have and way too much of it, and finding ways to complain about their “oppression” while taking away from the *VETERAN* community making women look weak or needy in a message not everyone agrees upon, hinders me. It jenders my access to care. It hinders my ability to be taken seriously as a woman. It weakens my bond with other veterans as a whole. I feel different from these women so socially i am uncomfortable. Now theyve further seperated me from men. Now, comfortably speaking, where fo I fit?

    Where I always have, because if ole Abraham hasn’t spoken the words that will seperate me from my fellow veterans, nothing is going to….except people who complain of historical pieces in a building where my health is the priority and plaques give me a sense of pride, groups of folks who drag the place im begging for attention to my illness, through bureaucratic b.s. make me feel ashamed, sad, and yes, very upset.

    • PK, I wouldn’t sweat this childish tantrum reflecting badly on all women.

      Veterans tend to “read” people quickly, and I can’t believe other veterans would treat you like the daffodil mentioned in this post.

      If we treated our fellow veterans all the same based on the actions of misguided individuals like her, we would not be much different than AFGE thugs at the VA.

  13. I have a problem, please help.
    I have made three complaints to the Patient Advocate at my facility (I am a patient, and I worked there), and I have discovered they are not entering the complaint into my chart (CPRS) or working on the complaint. The complaint is a medical malpractice complaint against a provider at my facility. My PCP told me the other doctor did malpractice, and she does not want to get involved. The other doctor is well known, popular and well liked at the facility, very connected. It was a big oops.
    I discovered this, PA not investigating or following-up, because I filed a complaint against my facility (where I worked, until I was wrongfully removed/fired), called the Whistleblower complaint office. The whistleblower complaint office decided its too serious (Dr and RNs killed 3 patients, tried to cover it up, I narced them off) they kicked it over to Congress.
    What do I do about the PA not entering the complaint into CPRS for my malpractice issue??? How do I prove I made complaint to the PA multiple times???? I have already filed an EEOC, they have accepted it was legit, and it is taking forever to work through the system.

    • You should document it in healthy vet, print it, then request a FOIA. If it doesnt show. Initiate a complaint with OSC form 12, disclosing that they are altering your medical record.

      • I don’t know if a complaint with the OSC years later on my Healthy Vet secure messaging being wiped clean would help or not. I made the mistake of believing that something from the government or VA would be “secure.” I learned the hard way before I had a chance to copy or print out what was going on. Either way I lost all hope, faith and trust in the VA period, and never going back. I’ve learned you can’t trust a single damn one of them involved or anyone or anything connected with the covering-up lying corrupt filth. It doesn’t stop when leaving the VA either. Not in Indiana it doesn’t.

        Still getting calls and threats. Today’s number boys and girls is from Norfolk VA. 1 540 954 9804. Yet another number when immediately called back after some harassing or threat that doesn’t go through, doesn’t ring, just nothing, or later a recording from operator 65081… miss dial try again BS. Yeah I am logging all the calls and trying to record them all which isn’t easy.

        Today even with civilian health care it seems things are going to shit too and filled with greedy bastards putting greed before care, or, protecting other idiots. Dealing with local activist, problem makers. Plus the losing of files or information. Or something going wrong with their IT systems that won’t allow us easy care or access to our needs or exchanges of info to others in the health care field. SNAFU

        If it’s not some part of the damned government to deal with it’s the activist, unions, local corruption, PC bull shit, cultural Marxist, and all the rest involved in any part of the crap going on. Can’t keep up with it all and every stinking day or dealing with new civilian care is something different and can be equal to the shit the VA has seemingly passed on to the sheep in the civilian world of things.

  14. The IAVA was co-opted and corrupted by snowflake social justice warriors who are absolutely blinded by identity politics first and veteran status second or third behind their militant promotion of homosexual acceptance.
    Was a good idea at first, but ruined by people who see a veteran organization for leftist progressive ideology.

  15. Actually doesn’t require much change. Change “him” to them. Change Widow to their widows and widowers.

    And it would still relate to Lincoln’s quote. Just get on with it. Times have changed. Women are going into battle.

  16. Wow, I just wrote an article that was published this month in our local VVA newsletter. I listed fourteen 2017 headlines from this website and closed with one more headline addressing the Roseburg VA Death Panel-NY Times Article dated January 1st.

    This is how I closed the article: The VA’s Motto: “To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan”, is from the last paragraph of Lincoln’s Second inaugural address. These words became the VA’s Motto in 1959 when a pair of metal plaques bearing those words were installed that flank the entrance to the Washington D.C. Headquarters of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
    The following, is a quote from the VA headquarter’s writings about the Motto: “President Lincoln’s words have stood the test of time, and stand today as a solemn reminder of VA’s commitment to care for those injured in our nation’s defense and the families of those killed in its service.”
    I have to wonder what President Lincoln would have to say if he were reading the VA headlines of today.

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