Minneapolis VA Failed To Prevent Parking Lot Suicide Of Patient
Reports are now surfacing of another veteran suicide in a health center parking lot immediately after discharge following observation about suicidal ideations.
For the past few years, veterans have committed suicide in parking lots of their respective VA medical facilities. Some of the bodies are not located for days. In this report, Justin Miller, 33, shot himself after leaving the agency following a period of observation.
The public is largely in the dark about these suicides due to the agency’s obfuscation of reporting and refusal to cooperate with journalists seeking answers. Instead, for the past few years, the agency and the National Press Corps has diminished public account of veteran suicides by not reporting on it.
The agency and some journalists argue that more reporting on suicides increases the number of suicide by copycat.
From CBS WCCO
Citing CNN, local CBS WCCO Channel 4 wrote the following:
Burdened by suicidal thoughts, Justin Miller, a 33-year-old veteran from Minnesota, reached out to the Department of Veterans Affairs in February for help, telling responders on the VA crisis line that he had access to firearms.
Miller was advised to visit his local VA emergency department, which he did immediately.
According to an inspector general report, Miller was admitted to the Minneapolis mental health unit after he described in detail symptoms of severe emotional anguish to VA clinicians.
After four days under observation, he was discharged.
Miller exited the hospital upon being released from care but never left the facility’s grounds that day.
Police found him dead in his car from a self-inflicted gunshot wound less than 24 hours later.
With the permission of Miller’s parents, Minnesota Democrat Rep. Tim Walz, the ranking member of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, shared this tragic story during a hearing on Capitol Hill on Thursday as lawmakers addressed the issue of suicide prevention among veterans and former service members.
“It is infuriating to know that there is a possibility that Justin’s death could have been prevented. It should outrage us all that an entire health care system failed at something so serious and that it claimed to be their highest clinical priority,” Walz said.
Investigators were unable to determine “that any one, or some combination, was a causal factor” in Miller’s death, despite identifying several “deficits in care provided to the patient.”
However, the investigation did find that staff members at the Minnesota medical center, including the suicide prevention coordinator, did not properly follow protocol while handling Miller’s case and, according to Walz, failed to utilize the three-step REACH VET process, in which a clinician can assess a veteran’s risk of suicide so that he or she receives the proper level of care.
“This is profoundly unacceptable,” the Minnesota Democrat said about the inspector general’s findings, which he called “deeply disturbing.”
Minneapolis VA Failure
The Minneapolis VA failed to implement suicide prevention recommendations after an agency mandate to do so in 2012 from the IG. The agency is now implementing the recommendations following being caught not doing so.
Paul Sherbo, a spokesman for the Minneapolis VA Health Care System, told CNN that their “deepest condolences go out to Justin Miller’s family and loved ones” and said that in response to his suicide and the inspector general’s review, they have redoubled their efforts “to ensure every Veteran receives the best possible care. This includes improving care collaboration across departments and disciplines — from initial treatment and planning to discharge and medication management — and engaging family members in Veterans’ mental health treatment plans, whenever possible.”
As a consequence of the negligence, the Miller family may have a reasonable basis to file a tort claim against the agency for malpractice.
I have literally have begged the South Texas Veterans Administration to care for me. I have had needles thrusted in my mouth with no pre local, swollen jaws from having 2 partial root canals done and after no antibiotics prescribed I have had the Chief Dentist to deny a consult after my teeth needed a root canal only to be told to drive back and it will be done there. When I got there, he told me a lie that he was going to send the consult again. The moron told the director a lie to cover his lousy butt!! Instead of being out doing his job and investigating what went wrong, sends the lie to a State Senator whom now tells me to go to the OFIG. Patient Advocates there are a stinking joke. In your face they tell you, yes, yes and after you walk out start laughing The Veterans Administration is a complete circle of crap that when you complain, it goes right back to where it started. The VA Secretary does not do nothing, even you write begging to him. Dentists here deliberty wait and put you off as long as legally possible to laugh at you in pain. Xray techs tell at you because your in so much pain you cannot bite on anything. When you tell them you cannot do it because of the pain they retaliate and place the blame on the Veteran making it look like it is fault because he is screaming from all the pain he is in I have been refused appointments, been threatened by staff, go to the ER begging for relief to be told we will pump you full of meds and you will try again tomorrow. My primary Dentist does not have the kahukas to even call me or return my messages even after weeks. The Cheif Dentist comes in the hallways talking to the dentist that’s grinding down your swollen jaw teeth that is causing you pain your trying not to scream and he is laughing at you knowing that you are at his mercy! Texas Veterans Commission is a stinking wolf pretending to help you with care and doing nothing. The customer service health manager has lied to my face twice now the scum telling me oh yeah I will call you Thursday, it comes and goes no call. The security police are sitting right at the front door incase you go off so they can kick you off campus and not give you care I have had wrong eye prescriptions, glasses that I have paid hundreds for only for waiting 3 weeks to get and already the coating is coming off VA glasses is the cheapest crap the state can find for you. I have had them fall apart in my hands, frames bent, come apart, green crap starts growing on the frames after two weeks of wearing! The Assistant Director telling me the Director doesn’t have to meet with people like you, he is taking care of important things. When I told the protector of the director I as a veteran have the right, the milton tells me to send him the agenda so he can prepare for me, I asked the idiot to show me in a VA Regulation where it says that and I will. Please spread this around. I know the media doesn’t want to do anything because the VA can tell them to FO and they cant do anything!!! VA is the most covered up system in the goverment.
The Miami VA director transferred to Bay Pines VA. I recently brought to light with my FTCA claim the bad mental health services at the Miami VA and the director booked it out of there before the shit hits the ceiling. The person who filed a FTCA just before me had a feeding tube placed in his lung. The director knew to transfer before he is forced out of the job at the Miami VA hospital.
Anyone remember the movie, “Article 99” with Ray Liotta, Kieffer Sutherland and Forrest Whittaker? It’s gonna come down to that again.
Between the VA’s bullshit and VSOs who don’t know their ass from a he in the ground, we’re screwed. I’ve been fighting for over 30 years, and I ain’t stoppin’ now. Don’t cave. That’s what they want. Fight the bastards.just like you fought the Cong or NVA. Just like you fought ISIS or the Taliban. Or the Soviets or the Chicom.
Gentlemen, we are literally in a fight for our lives. Probably the longest, toughest combat we’ve ever faced. Don’t quit.
The VA’s philosophy of deny, deny, deny, die is unacceptable. Fuck them! Fight on, and find a GOOD VSO or attorney to help. It’s worth it.
You know the VA OIG never admit fault with the VA until after they settled with the family member.
I filed an FTCA lawsuit pro se in Federal District Court due to bad mental health services at the Miami VA. Instead of ranting about how bad it is, you should sue the VA like I did. It is obvious that nothing bad has happened to them yet for any injury in a FTCA claim.
They are crying about not having 100% VA benefits, but don’t want to pay an experienced attorney to represent them. They want to go the free up front route with the VSO and expect the same outcome.
I got an entry-level separation for performance and conduct in 1994. I applied for disability last year and got approved in 3 months for 70% MDD and TDIU. I filed the application myself which a fifth grader can do. The VBA is supposed to assist the veteran which makes it even easier.
In Federal District Court I just cut and paste other attorneys’ briefs, motions, and pleadings from their case docket on PACER. There is no copyright or plagiarism laws for pro se litigants.
Off topic Guy’s. I just got my LETTER! I’m 100% after fighting 41 years…… I’m 66 years old with a lot of problems. I’m lighting 1 up I’ve been saving for a couple years now. Mostly PTSD and back problems. I may become an “Expat” and get the hell out of this drowning country. There ARE better places than this. I don’t owe this country shit, they owe me!
Congratulations! I’m three years younger than you. Still fighting. When I get mine, I will definitely become an expat. Had the plan in place since ’98. You plan on heading E, S, or N?
Once again, Congratulations!
Way west to a place no matter where I walk I hit beach.
Congrats! Always good to hear some good reports.
Is this why the media glorifies mass shootings?:
“The agency and some journalists argue that more reporting on suicides increases the number of suicide by copycat.”
I recall reading that quote in an official government document a few years back . . .
Just as in how the VA found themselves in the midst of the “Opioid Crisis” the “Suicide Crisis” is looming large on the horizon – – – yet none want to pay attention to the signs.
Guess the 20 plus rate per day is not newsworthy. Maybe when the rate is five to ten times that – – – the fourth estate will begin to pay attention.
It was reported on local lame stream news that there has been a ‘significant increase in veteran and youth suicides.’ No numbers were given, they refuse to report about them to protect families. Claiming its a “crisis” condition and growing fast. Claimed the VA was enhancing and implementing (that damn word again) programs to help with vet suicides and telling them to call the crisis lines, they are equipped to handle vets, and are there to help. Oh how the mental health centers, new vet drug courts, and nut houses care so much. Ha. Wish I had links to the BS.
Older vets dying off fast and no reasons given. Just short obits if that.
So bad they claim along with poverty, hunger, etc., they are training teachers and liaison prison school camp officers in mental health and trainings to spot problems in the youth, to “inquire about home life issues” etc. Get those juicy family secrets or hobbies. Then sent to the proper agencies for further help. More Ha. More doping and investigating parents so they are teaching their kids want the state and colleges demand. Along with the local Mossad’s (not kidding) secret training and tactics not for public consumption to prevent school shootings and domestic terrorism. Welcome to the police state of America and progressive militarized, intrusive, state’s indoctrination complexes… err, schooling. Leave it to Indiana to ‘implement’ such things. The asshats never mention Constitutional rights, the right to information, parents rights, transparency, or freedom from “Progressive education.” “Progressive Chambers of Commerce sez we must be progressive in all thing in several surrounding counties and become a prized “progressive community.” Barf.
Meanwhile supposedly we are topping the lists in elevated cancer rates/brain tumors/breast cancer.
Shortage of MDs.
Contagious diseases, Hep A, B, C, special clinics for all the Hep A (?), etc. Now warnings about a Hep E coming. ( more ?)
Chronic bug issues. Stink bugs, bed bugs out the wazoo, lice and kids now allowed to attend school with them alive. Makes no sense. Scabies. STDs, Syphilis on the rise… unreported.
What a groovy state and nation to live in. Never ending SNAFU and growing.
Re: The Minneapolis VA failed to implement suicide prevention recommendations after an agency mandate to do so in 2012 from the IG. The agency is now implementing the recommendations following being caught not doing so.
Was anyone fired, reprimanded or even spoken to about this ?
The painful truth is that most Americans, VA, VSO’s, Congress and others… don’t really care about veterans…
What a damn shame that it takes such a horrific event to get OUR government to seriously look at their lack of proper care of the Veteran population.
for about fifteen min.’s…
Dear Benjamin Krause,
We all are assuming that Veteran Miller shot himself.
We are taking the word of the VA.
The VA and the security of the VA has failed us for years.
After millions of dollars were pumped in at the Phoenix VA, and several directors changed out in four years, with countless number of Politicians looking into the Hospital’s well being the Rating has Flatlined on the lowest rating possible. “Nothing changed”—like Secretary O’Rourke stated in July to Rep. Higgins—-just before his demotion.
Again, We all are assuming that Veteran Miller shot himself.
Ps: The VA has been accused of homicides/murders by Judges and Journalists and those cases are still pending.
Good point Don. One that should not or never be over-looked not the line of them to the autopsy room, morgue, or whatever.
I called the MSP VA in ’78 asking to speak to someone “on behalf of a friend” who was suicidal. After fifteen minutes of being shuffled and on hold, someone in “Psych” services picked up, and asked a lot of questions, right down to “my friend” felating his shotgun cross-legged on plastic sheeting. I got some bullshit about “it’s all in your friends head”, and I got a little uppity, and he shut me down with, “Next time, tell your friend to pull the trigger and his problems will be over”.
I have been a PTSD patient at the Minneapolis VA for over 30 years and was also a volunteer at the PTSD clinic for a number of years. Many of my fellow PTSD friends have killed themselves over the years and there have been others that have never been reported. Why do you think there is a fence around the loading dock area. There never was one there at one time until a veteran took a dive. You are right about the VA keeping the public in the dark about these deaths and not telling the press especially here in the Twin Cities. I used to be a radio journalist and this is really frustrating to me. But nothing ever changes. It’s still the same system today as it was 30 years ago when I first walked into the PTSD clinic over at old Fort Snelling. And I don’t think it will ever change.
Crisis hot line ! Why ! Are veterans forced to call a hotline anyway. Call any VA. The first thing you hear is !
If your feeling suicidal call the hot line at #########. That is pure nonsense, there are mental health worker’s.
There are social worker’s who could review or take these calls. I do not know when this changed, as when I worked for the VA.
Veterans were not told to call a hotline ! They were told, can you make it to the VA, if not we will send a taxi to pick you up.
I received a phone call from a wife of a veteran, who she said had a Gun by his side and she was afraid he would take his life.
I did not tell her, well call the, A hotline ! I kept her on the phone and proceeded to call the local police department, where they lived.
I stayed on the phone with the wife, advising her, the local police were on their way and kept asking what the veterans was doing, where is the Gun. In his lap !
This was important to know, so I could advise the police. I kept her on the, I knew exactly what and where the police were.
When the police arrived, I told the wife, the police are at your door. Where is the Gun.
The police entered and the veteran was taken to the hospital and admitted. To hear the desperation in her voice and then hear the relief. Was a feeling of yes ! Not this time.
In other words, the VA should not be telling veterans to call a hotline anyway, they should be hands on 24-7 !
Can you see where opportunity was or being missed. A chance to make a real difference !
The VA is getting paid to care for veterans, but it seems mental health, is something they do not want to handle, instead instructed to call someone else !
Does not make sense ! Do your job’s !
Uh-Oh! Here comes another stumbling block.
One has to wonder how many times this veteran went to the VA for help, and his pleas went unheeded – – – or were simply cast aside in the interest of expediency.
The powers that be in the government and corporate media rarely, if ever, devote any coverage to topics such as this. And the FCC is now trying its’ best to kill off net neutrality.
Imagine how much harder it will be for those sincerely interested to ferret out accurate information about what is really happening in our country once that goal is met. The powers that be will then have total control of what “news” the American public can see.
It is safe to say that young Justin Miller had done more for this country, than a great many of our ‘duly-elected’ leaders. A great many of whom should never be allowed to run a 7-11 convenience store, let alone manage the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
My condolences to the family of this young veteran on their loss.
It is way past time for some real leadership at the VA. Leadership that speaks truth publicly about how bad things have really gotten. Leadership that develops solutions to take better care of ALL our nations warriors.
Leadership that recognizes that when they are doing a good job – – – it will be veterans singing their praises, rather than the VA needing a PR Agency to put out “Fluff Pieces” to mislead America and her citizens about what a stellar job they are doing.
They are not. In fact, they are doing a very piss-poor job.
The VA has a first-world budget which they use to provide veterans less than third-world medical care and benefits. Current VA leadership has their Brain Housing Group the size of mice and their Heart no bigger.
It is about FIFTEEN YEARS PAST TIME TO FIX THE DAMN BROKEN VA:
1. IMMEDIATELY recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.
2. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.
3. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into military barracks-style housing for homeless veterans. These will be run with military-style rules to promote good order and discipline.
4. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.
5. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly (Within 45 days) for the care they provide veterans.
6. ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Going to practice in XX state? You need to be LICENSED in XX state.
7. Any claim a veteran submits to the VBA that requires more than 90 days to adjudicate, is automatically found to be in favor of the veteran. Should a veteran file a false claim to scam the system, the VA will have to prove in civil court that the claim was falsely submitted.
For filing a false claim, the veteran will be subject to ALL of the following:
(A). The claim shall be denied. If the veteran has received any form of benefits because of the false claim they will be required to fully repay the benefits at cost.
(B). The veteran will be banned from all VA facilities for the remainder of their life.
(C). The veteran will lose any benefits they originally have or had, and will not be allowed to file for further benefits.
8. All veterans will be allowed to seek/retain the services of a Veterans Rights Attorney from their first initial contact with the VA. This will help to protect the legal rights of veterans against corrupt and incompetent VA employees.
9. No AFGE, nor any other Labor Union business will be allowed to take place in any Federal Workplace. Conducting Union Business during working hours will be STRICTLY PROHIBITED and will be STRICTLY ENFORCED. Should any government employee be found violating this provision, it will result in IMMEDIATE LIFETIME DISMISSAL FROM ANY/ALL STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYMENT. In this case the word LIFETIME shall be construed as meaning “Ten years after you are deceased”.
10. Attorneys for appeal will be retained at the former employee’s PERSONAL expense. U. S. Taxpayer’s will not be subject to payment of legal bills for incompetent or dishonest personnel with regards to Governmental Employment.
You have my contact information Mr. President. Call me anytime. I have a lot of workable ideas/solutions to help this nation improve the services provided to my fellow veterans.
The ones promised, but never delivered upon. Veterans have been waiting for over fifty years for the fulfillment of those promises. I will not hesitate to speak up at all.
For my fellow veterans who have been ill-served by this DERAILED CLUSTERFUCK of an AWFUL TRAIN WRECK CALLED THE VA over the years:
Our battles overseas were far less agonizing than our war here at home. Never Cruel or Cowardly. Never Give Up. Never Give In. We are on the Righteous path.
POTUS Reagan broke up PATCO in the ’80’s. Time for POTUS Trump to break up the AFGE.
Most of our current Congress Critters do NOT have Veterans Interests, or that of the United States at heart. Perhaps their replacements will. VOTE OUT all these WORTHLESS BITCHES and BASTARDS.
Give their replacement’s one term to take care of Veterans who put aside their own personal lives to answer this nation’s call when she needed them. Many of those Veterans suffer the remainder of their lives for doing what most of their countrymen had not the courage to do.
If they cannot MUSTER THE STONES to do it properly – – – get rid of their worthless asses as well. Party should NEVER MATTER. What SHOULD ALWAYS MATTER is their VOTING RECORDS ON VETERANS ISSUES.
Rhetoric is cheap. Congressional Voting Records on veterans’ issues speak louder than words.
NO Combat Veteran should be surprised when the next McVeigh, Congressional Baseball Team, or Las Vegas Sniper Incident occurs. Bound to happen. Just a matter of time . . .
We have now reached the next accelerative phase of our country falling apart. Country before Party. Principles before Personalities. Always.
Want to REALLY fix the VA? The next SecVA needs to be a former Enlisted Man brought in from the general veteran population with a few serious axes to grind against the VA and the AFGE, with zero previous governmental civilian service.
Apparently, Former Flag Officers, Former Corporate Billionaire CEO’s, and SES appointed Civilians can’t cut the mustard . . .
Maybe a SINCERELY MOTIVATED Gunnery Sergeant or Chief Petty Officer CAN.
One of you limp asses has come up with an agenda. Nice start Mr. Clement! You’ve outlined it Very Well! I think you’re on the right track. A lot better than just belly-aching to each other here.
Now, what are you going to do with it?
Sit here and let these misdirected souls comment it to death?
Or, are you going to pick up the phone and get the press involved? And, maybe, do some research and find other pro-active groups you can partner with and actually ADVANCE THE CAUSE? (Just remember, it’s about the CAUSES [there’s and your’s – you help them, they help you], not the politics. You’ll find just as many Veterans on the other side as on the conservative side. Work with them, don’t insult them.) Don’t be shy. And remember, there are risks. Just know that in advance.
Your choice! (Don’t depend on these cow-tailed followers in this itty-bitty little group. Lead the damn thing! Do Better!)
You apparently have the time; you spend quite a bit of it here….
What I am going to do is tell you to go back and read Ben’s archives, so as not to appear more ignorant to the people you attacked yesterday than you already do. I already know that you see, but do not observe.
One of you limp asses has come up with an agenda. Nice start Mr. Clement! You’ve outlined it Very Well! I think you’re on the right track. A lot better than just belly-aching to each other here. ”
Since I have posted that over 100 times (99% verbatim) over the last year and a half without your ever commenting about it before . . .
As to what I am going to do with it – – – your suggestions are so far behind my timeline of action as to be laughable.
Regarding how I spend my time, MY choice. NOT YOURS.
Meanwhile, I have spent countless hours on VA phone lines on perpetual hold only to find out each and every time when I reach a real human, that their fucking system has been down and they can’t update any personal info.
Then…they wanted really specific info to ensure I was who I said I was, which caused me to have to call back and wait yet again…I was told, “This is to prevent would-be thieves from stealing your valuable benefits, there’s LOTS of thieves out there…”!!
So I asked the VA employee, “What exactly is preventing ANY VA employee from doing something malicious with this info?
The VA employee acted as if I farted loudly during church mass, and stated, “VA employees are held to higher standards”….
HA hA HA hA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH……..
(my cat is even laughing……HAHAHAHAHAHA…..meow….HAHAHAHAHA)
**higher standards* must be code for better drugs they are taking….HA HA HA
I should add to be on-topic, between ALL the long-ass waiting on phone were repeated insulting statements, “If you are having thoughts of hurting yourself or others, please call the xxx crisis line….are you feeling like hurting yourself…?
Ask me again please, when I get a real human? Nope. Anxiety attacks just doing this little simple thing with them. SSA, not a problem nor long ass hold nor non-operating IT….this experience with my move has shown me that the VA’s IT cash that’s shoveled to them in Billion$ is a sham.
I’d think that the Miller Family should receive ALL VA performance bonus $$$ for the next 10 years and GARNISH WAGES OF ALL VA EMPLOYEES TO PAY FOR IT….it’s the only way to hit these rat bastards where they give a shit about and that’s $$$, NOT the safety and welfare of Veterans!
Suck my ass, VA!
I can state my comment/opinion in one sentence –
I hope the Miller Family sue’s the VA for as much as possible!
1. Is there any way to put links in our comment notice emails directing us to which article a new comment/reply has been posted in?
Another sad story that was allowed to be leaked out while others go un-reported or known of. Or one that they couldn’t sweep under the carpet or censor?
We really need freedoms. Transparency, zero censoring including social media communist to mainstream news hacks and whores. No more BS from DC or state levels. No more allowing SJW distractions or enemy interference from billionaires to Hollywood trash. Antifa and many others BS groups included, unions, globalist NWO types too.
Are we supposed to give golf claps and kudos for Walz now? Oh and being a Democrat, one of the enemy in the circus called politics and seeing absolutely little change over many years. The public (choosing ignorance over facts), self-serving trash in DC (intentionally) and sheep have short memories and this story will go that way too as it’s flushed down the memory hole and ALL of our lame stream media goes the way of propaganda, lies, revised history, totally ignoring us down here, and flat out refusing to report on local community issues? While those up there in DC and in our sick states on all levels continue to spout crap for looks and nothing real, tangible, profoundly noticeable, or practical will occur. Besides all the cheer-leading stories put forth by some highly satisfied vets (not really giving a damn about others), by scum media and PR firms.
With this being a nationally known of forum and surely read or known of by VA, unions, talking heads, skirts, those in media/medical professions, our so-called representatives, secretive organizations to those so-called vet out reach groups etc., have popped up out here in the open, reaching out, showing some spine, to want to know more about our stories or care to get involved to over-see some investigations that never really happen in real life? Minus the inflated cost of legal aid we cannot find anywhere but are told by heads of state and DC is out there for us.
They are going to investigate again, ‘implement” some kinda shit programs while persecuting some vets picked out their hats to persecute, made to suffer, play games with, test how much stimuli/abuse some can take to intentionally ensuring suffering to death is the final results of their circus and musical chair games. Oh and they want us to bow to them, be respectful, kiss ass, give honorable mentions and salutations, bow? Awww hell, just throw billions more into the systems of government that do nothing but fail and want more dollars and laugh while we die off, get shot, are targets of many and suffer. Be more concerned with perpetual wars, taking care of foreigners, bowing to the deep-state, the shadow governments, etc. Allowing communities to go all out to destroy while allowing censoring, sick PC-ness, social justice BS to gross professional misconduct and corruption to flourish? Got it.
To hell with the stupid back and forth political right to left political paradigm circus maximus, band wagon jumping and game playing. Many are guilty over this issue and much more. While Democrats locally and up there demand censoring for all and more-so on the local levels? “Vote Democrat for better VA health care.” Censor censor censor ban ban ban attack attack attack with their networks supported by those on capitol hill and locally. But we are supposed to sit back in silence especially in college towns or in towns with total Democratic Marxist ruled towns and play door-mats and flak catchers while those at ‘the top’ have their steak dinners, play pedophile, give excuses and make friends in Congress. All protecting “their own.”
Hey John Birch!
Nothing like going off-topic to preach your own political agenda. Missed your meds this morning? Take a pill and clean up all the empty beer cans around your chair.
Try actually doing something for the cause, and leave the all the right-wingnut buzz words up to FoxNews Entertainment.
With the number of lame, political commentaries you leave on this forum, you and one or two others have driven virtually everyone else away; people who can actually help with fixing Veteran’s Medical care. There’s like three of four of you left who participate here, and you do nothing more than rag on political issues. Good job alienating thousands.
There are many Veterans who are democrats, who have served honorably, in combat, and you do nothing more than come here and grone-on about your one-sided politics and insult us. Always with the politics.
All you’re doing is destroying this site. STAY ON TOPIC and do something productive for the issues. Stop throwing rocks at other Veterans simply because they don’t agree with your political views. You’re doing more harm than good.
You’re not even coherent in your rambling posts.
Hi troll, new here? Hi Obama and wife “Mickey.” I’ve been more open, real identity known, and made more useless contacts than I bet you have and many other clowns that are about nothing but facade and attack other vets. While hiding.
This, another persons suicide doesn’t seem to bother you. You didn’t stay on topic but chased after me. Very telling about you alone. If other so-called vets are enemies of freedom, don’t give a damn about others, play trolls, favor the left and their agendas, censoring, silencing all others… then you are not a friend but an enemy if you want to call them that. They sure as hell are agenda driven and not American minded or freedom loving at all.
I didn’t bring politics in it. Scum like you did and the VA staff did by telling groups of us to vote Dem commie for better care. The government, VA, SES, and all those in the circus bring politics into every level of life today. Hint scum bag… “identity politics.” Oh you poor SJW. I am not to respond over some “Democrat” when mentioned you communist fake.
How many years of very active, totally draining volunteer work have you done? How many death beds have you sit by, cared for, cleaned drainage tubes, tried to keep sober and alive? Taken strangers and family into your own home and done what preachers and churches, town’s movers and shakers, and corrupt won’t do? Done what some of their family members would not do. Mr or Ms anonymous ‘served, disabled, and want to silence everyone? I can claim over twenty years of heart breaking years as things just got worse due to politics and control freaks. How many properties have YOU lost trying to help screwed up combat vets? What do you do about the censoring or vast amounts of corruption to harm done to any vets? You’ve shown what you’re about.
You should catch up and know about people before you throw stones and make assumptions. I don’t care about any mainstream news or am I a band wagon jumper to fit in or support tee totally every jerk in office. To me Trumpster has become a disappointment just like all others have been. Clearly you are a left winger phony oath keeper. Use your real name and identity and let’s go toe to toe scumbag. You sound just like another local and typical verbiage and flak.
How many others are going out alone with a bull-horn in the midst of all the fear and trembling to expose corruption due to the VA, some corrupted civy hospital care that took over VA attack dogs agendas? In a lousy left college town filled with you Dem/commie/Marxist/activist trash and violent militant types you member of Antifa.
You better stick to attacking some flake or coward that worries about your MoveOn org types and SJWs. I also noticed like a true commie your side stepped some issues and specifics that you apparently don’t care about or part of the problem and not the solutions. So have a nice day and go pound more troll sand in your lying activist ass.
Well stated, T.
Hundreds of thousands of disabled Veterans, and this site gets entertained by you 5 or 6 bags of hot air. Hundreds of words and not a lick of sense from any of you.
You, dumb ass, can bet on all you want to, but you pick the wrong horse every time.
Stop belly aching and crying the blues AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING OF WORTH.
Here’s your crew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ydoh_5EjU
Nicely said. “OLDCOASTIE”
Ahhh the side stepping evasive troll. Never did mention your real name or how much YOU do for others. Got any links besides your ignorant trolling ones. Don’t need to click on your Lilly-livered ass link for dummies. Typical for MoveOn to Antifa types. What are your solutions for it all besides wanting to play control freak, censor and silence all others but your ilk? Keyboard commando + super freak anonymous one. You’re coming straight out of the “Communist Manifesto,” Bill Ayers “Rules for Radicals” and communist/Marxist. How quaint. Really must piss you off there are some forums out here and news that you can’t censor, moderate or ban people from. lol Sounds like a Toady to me.
My real name? I’ll follow your lead. Let me see, ….. which letter should I pick?
…. Oh, I know, how about “G”.
And your real name? And where are you T? Lead on big fella.
Ahhh you’re very new and missed it. You must be very new material falling off the turnip wagon for control freaks. So sad, do some research piss ant. I owe filth like you nothing. I l led out a long time ago and done it for more than myself and my own family which is usual shit for those disconcerned about others. Seems local politicians have reported the same lines over and over again. “I can’t get involved I have my own self, ambitions and family to worry about.? And much more blah blah blah. Now we have all Dem/commie council critters that also fill about every town position and employment along with the colleges. Nothing like one party rule chasing all others out one way or another.
I didn’t think you’d give your real name T. For whatever reason. Just another bag of hot air. At least you have an audience of six. A year from now, you’ll be doing the same thing with the same results. Too sad.
That’s what I thought. He calls others out to give their names, but won’t do in kind. Two standards, alot of anger, and living in the past.
Maybe someday he’ll quit wasting his future and do something of real value.
Like I said… I am not here to pacify your ilk. Gave my FB out again, again, not long ago. You and some other ‘newbies’ have shown your craft and intentions. I won’t point out the specifics for you to get some more learnin’ in. Some of you clowns have shown you never attended any kind of real therapy for much. Let alone try to discuss things or know how to communicate well with others. Start back to Kindergarten, okay.
1. Never ass-u-me. Makes a bigger ass of yourself and places untruths or unproven gossip, open ended unproven observations on those you are attacking. Just more activist tactics like gas-lighting, etc.
2. Don’t judge a person until walking a mile in their moccasins.
3. Don’t give advice about somethings, or people, you know very little of or absolutely nothing about.
4. If you’re going to criticize be specific and don’t side step while bashing.
5. Don’t expect others to stop what they are doing when YOU are doing nothing but being self-centered or absorbed.
6. Whilst pointing a finger at people like me or the out-spoken thinking we are part of the problem….name calling or making insinuations, there are three more fingers pointing right back at yourself with things to work on before spouting off to others.
7. Anyone wanting, demanding others to be silent or wanting them silenced, harmed or censored isn’t exactly being American, for liberty, or about being a decent honorable human being or citizen.
8. Forum or old VA group rules. Don’t jump into something being new, clueless, or about others issues you know nothing about. Bad manners. Shows a low IQ. And why most serious groups will refuse attendance to newcomers into any older groups meetings.
9. Don’t like what you read or think is BS? Stop reading it, turn the channel, go sit in your Kumbayah circles of happiness, stifle your control issues and pound each others puds and give refreshing tongue baths to stifle yourselves. That too shows what your are about and expect from others. And your married????
Oh, and what anger? Re-read the above dick-head. And another thought…. another vet’s suicide doesn’t affect you or anger you a tad? You are pitiful. Seen too much to bow to your demands and this article is just the topic of just one.
P.S. As with most trolls, activist, idiots, know it all types, control freaks. I am done with you. Wasted enough time on you playing troll bait. Now go cower back under your safe bridge of silence and self concern. Have nice life of complacency and disconcern.
Wouldn’t know. Have never read the Communist Manifesto, or any of the other ones.
But do you see how you continue to turn this down the road of politics, instead of the intended purpose of the site?
Appears you only have respect for Veterans if they share your political beliefs. Must be your own little venue and it’s not even your website.
Censorship is one of those communist practices.
And since it appears this site is doing that, well read into it what you wish.
Good luck to you all. You haven’t accomplished a thing except vent. Only Mr. Krause has.
Hilarious! I been reading this forum for quite a while now. If memory serves correctly – – – today is the first time I have seen your Served, Disabled, Tired of Your Political Bullshit handle posting.
Since you seem to believe that no one on the board contributes anything of value here – – – what is YOUR plan to fix the broken VA?
It’s simple: It’s not fixable! It’s not possible.
I’ve was screwed over by them for decades. It doesn’t take more than an IQ of 50 to realize it’s not going to change. (Even under your republican administrations, nothing changed.)
The only answer is to get rid of it. Find a different way.
As for me, my life is worth more than putting up with organizations that are useless. Instead of spending my time on boards like this, I spend my time doing things that will benefit me and my family. Obviously, you have nothing better to do than spend hours here pissing and moaning. So that’s why you haven’t seen me here before. I appreciate the articles, I think Mr. Krause does a bang-up job. The rest of you look like wanna-be’s.
5 or 6 regulars (actually, only ones) who appear to have nothing better to do in their lives, and seem like bags of hot air making each other feel good. The real sad part is you’ve turned it into a political joke.
No control freak. You don’t like discussions, issues, truth, others experiences, no sharing, no grouping together, nothing but your own crap. You show your self well. Now go back hide in the corner and take care of your own, as stated. You be silent, look in a mirror Mr or Mrs OCD and control freak and leave those alone willing to speak out instead of playing your games and meeting your demands. Nice board huh? And you shit bird just flew in? Like stated, don’t worry about us or what we do with our own lives. Or think something ‘feels good.” Bags of hot air are better than self serving bags of nothing or self service.
It’s perfectly clear what you are and what makes YOU feel good. Besides, it takes no time at all to post here.
“Instead of spending my time on boards like this, I spend my time doing things that will benefit me and my family.”
Really? Interesting . . . You don’t spend your time on boards like this, yet come on and immediately attack those who do without knowing anything about them. Also, by your own admission – – – you think there exists no solution to the problem of fixing the VA. You have already given up before the fight. Not much of a warrior, are you?
Had a word for guys like you in the Marine and Navy units I served in:
S – H – I – T – B – I – R – D.
Just because we don’t comment doesn’t mean Shit.
I used to be a Dumbercrat but if you have your eyes open It’s nothing more then in your face Communism, But your to blind to see it.
Your about as free as a puppet on a string
And the puppet master keeps pulling your strings.
You must have struck a nerve T, Cream puffs are very sensitive To the truth…LOL
Yeah Oldmarine, I was once a brain-washed, socially engineered child into it all Democratic too. And a strong union man and union officer more than once. I grew up in Eugene V. Debbs and a far lefty union ruled, three anti-American university community. “The union or socialist strong-hold of Indiana.” In junior and high schools being bombarded with communist manifesto crap, SDS college kiddies hanging out around our schools and hang-outs spewing their lying trash. Then woke up to it all through the university of real life and hard knocks.
Now locally the righties being just as bad as the lefties. No help from the VSO and all others due to lefty politics, the quid pro quo, “conflicts of interests,” etc. No help from the local GOP just more side-stepping and ignoring the issues and supporting the same censoring agendas and others to pacify the communist leaders and groups. A simple question like ‘why are you not standing up to local censoring or any segment of the corruption?’ All hell breaks loose.
Being black-balled community and state wide with intensity has shown me how things really are and how deep the corruption runs. And that the 99% of all others around here fear the system, have fun playing psychopath sadistic games, benefit or are employed by and from the established regimes, generations of nepotism, etc. Kinda like the Kavanah attack games and typical Demoncrat play book games.
Yeah I am good at hitting nerves, upsetting apple carts or the money changers tables. Doesn’t take much. Two words can create chaos. Ie, “I disagree.”
Now here is another death to add to my rage rage rage. How many others out there have we not heard about or been killed by the VA and/or medical establishments, civilian hospital’s lefty community supported killer medical abusive activist staff, Democrat activist nurse associations, the politically connected politicians and spouse health care workers with insider news and info spreading, the Greek society cliques, and other assorted angels of death. And all those scum bags out there demand silence and PC-ness? Ha.
Nothing like a civil political debate.. The sheeple on the pseudo left accuse the pseudo right of being fascists. The sheeple on the pseudo right accuse the pseudo left of being commie-fag-junkies. Meanwhile the corporate brotherhood owned media turn the SCOTUS process into a reality teevee show featuring eye-popping drunken-dick-wagging and SSRI addled tear jerking. Quick – somebody get me some fucking popcorn. Naturally, those flag-wavers on both sides who follow the show with foamed drool ignore the FACT that the candidate for high office was the wordsmith behind the constitution twisting Patriot Act, that was supported by paid/owned whores on both sides of a now invisible aisle. Goebbels would be so very impressed. Mission accomplished. Neighbor pitted against neighbor, friend against friend, brothers against brothers.
I think I’ll grill up some lamb tonight.
Lamb in the honor of the sheep???
What side of the grill???
Goebbels would be impressed, for sure. So would the Stasi and the Zersetzung (a psychological warfare technique) it utilized.
You are obviously angry with most everything. Step back, take a breath and while spouting out all of your discontent with our “system” do some work to improve it. I am a registered independent just for this reason. Try to see ALL sides to form your educated opinions on where our government should work to ensure the best for not only our veterans but for all of our citizens. My advice to all would be to step back, look at ALL that is going on around us and “work” to improve it.
No such thing as Independents here. Two corrupt parties only allowed.
Don’t need your advice,, don’t a mother or wet nurse, or your assumptions of anger, and have done plenty but I guess you’re another one new here and can’t read or comprehend much.
Must be hitting nerves all over the place.
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