Flow Health Inc Veterans Affairs Deal

A vetting failure by Dept of Veterans Affairs resulted in a cancellation of its agreement with Flow Health Inc to research veterans’ genomic data.

Last week, I published an article following an investigation into a small company called Flow Health Inc, a San Francisco company.

Numerous news outlets highlighted interviews with the company’s founder, Alex Meshkin. In the articles, Meshkin was boasting about a deal it inked with VA to build an artificial intelligence database to analyze genomic data of veterans.

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Later that day, VA canceled its agreement with Flow Health because it “may violate regulations, VA policy, and VA’s longstanding commitment to our Veterans to protect their data.”

The agency apparently failed to vet Flow Health before entering into the agreement.

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Was VA asleep at the wheel? Did they fail to conduct the same Google searches I did when evaluating the company? How many other companies have slid in under the radar without being vetted like Flow Health did?

How Was The Deal Struck?

I have a pending FOIA on this but what I can tell you is Meshkin claims VA approached him to help the agency with its data in a recent interview with Health IT News. But why would VA approach a company it failed to fully vet?

According to the Q&A published:

Q: What does partnering with the VA mean to an emerging company like Flow Health?
A: 
The VA approached us and said ‘imagine what you can help us do with our data.’ It’s super exciting to be working with the largest integrated clinical data set in the United States: 22 million unique people, spanning 20 years so it’s a rich longitudinal data. With that we want to understand people before the onset of disease, through treatment, and hopefully when they’re cured. You can’t personalize individual treatments until you get a more granular definition of the disease you’re treating – better understanding the similar characteristic of one patient against a population.

Q: Are there specific diseases you will be focusing on in the work with the VA?
A: 
The long-term goal is to advance artificial intelligence — use knowledge as a basis for more advanced AI research like artificial-general-intelligence such as human reasoning — but along the way I think there’s the opportunity to save a lot of lives at the VA.

From the quotes, it looks like the long-term plan was to use some kind of artificial intelligence system to help diagnose patients including doctors by sifting through the genomic data.

In essence, the goal is to further reduce VA health care’s reliance on doctors using AI to augment the care needs of veterans.

Flow Health Inc Deal Cancelation

The company’s founder, Alex Meshkin, had an unusual background that raised the hackles on my neck to say the least.

Publicly, Meshkin was a known serial entrepreneur whose history online reveals he also has a long history of serial entrepreneurial failures he would later spin in the press as successes.

One Bloomberg article from 2005 really summed it up, “A Wild Ride At NASCAR: How a whiz kid talked his way into owning a race team – – and then hit a wall.”

From there, I learned about Meshkin’s series of failures or missteps where he repeatedly failed to anticipate market realities while spending investors’ money. The company list included:

  • SurfBuzz.com – a now defunct website idea focused on paying website surfers fake money they can use to bid on real products like Porsches. The company reportedly closed after Meshkin and his brother ran out of the $3.5 million in seed money. That experience earned SurfBuzz.com a place in a “dot coms to dot bombs” list published in 2000. “The online auction site informed its customers that it ‘will no longer be operational nor continue to exist’, after burning through its cash.”
  • Bang Racing – a now defunct Toyota NASCAR truck racing team where the self-proclaimed “whiz kid” raised $15 million to run a race team that later flopped after Meshkin reportedly stopped paying his employees and vendors. His performance as owner earned him a spot on the “Hall Of Shame” list of NASCAR owners.
  • Nutzz.com – a now defunct website development company that was paid over $1 million to build a NASCAR membership website. Investors recalled their contribution after becoming concerned Meshkin would not deliver. The matter was resolved in arbitration.
  • Bopaboo – a now defunct software company focused on selling used MP3’s. The recording industry did not respond well and forced the company to change its business model. Meshkin later acknowledged the flaw in the firm’s economic model.
  • GroupMD – a company dubbed the Facebook of health care communications. It focused on turning your health care communications and related records between you and a doctor into a supposed secure version of Facebook.
  • Flow Health Inc – basically GroupMD with a new name. On LinkedIn, Meshkin described the company as, “Flow Health is building the world’s largest knowledge graph of medicine and genomics from over 30 petabytes of longitudinal clinical data drawn from 22 million people.”

That LinkedIn summary described the genomic information Meshkin planned to glean from electronic health records including the Million Veteran Program. Can you imagine the value of any company in possession of VA’s genomic data? It would simply soar.

Luckily, someone at the Department of Veterans Affairs read my article and immediately canceled the agreement before any private health data was shared. His various AngelList investors and partners can be found here related to his present companies: https://angel.co/alexmeshkin

Value Of Independent News Media

This is proof that independent news media like DisabledVeterans.org is a valuable part of the conversation and can effect change without a multi-million dollar budget like other publications considered the mainstream media.

Here, companies like mine are self-funded by selling products our readers buy such as the VocRehab Survival Guide. That money directly funds this operation, and it contributed to keeping companies like Flow Health from getting their hands on our health data.

VA Statement On Flow Health Inc

Issued December 29, 2016

VA STATEMENT

On December 20, the Department of Veterans Affairs terminated a Cooperative Research and Development Agreement with Flow Health Inc., a San Francisco-based company. We took this action after it was determined that the agreement, which involves genomic data from the Million Veteran Program (MVP), may violate regulations, VA policy, and VA’s longstanding commitment to our Veterans to protect their data.

It is important to note that no Veteran data were shared nor compromised.

Entering into such an agreement with any company requires additional research, consultation with medical and privacy experts and appropriate, senior-level signoffs to make sure the use of the data comports with the letter and spirit of applicable regulations and policies while also protecting Veterans’ sensitive data. That was not fully done in this instance.

Launched in 2011, MVP – with more than 500,000 volunteer participants – is the largest genomic database of its kind in the world. Participants donate blood from which DNA is extracted. MVP will accelerate our understanding of disease detection, progression, prevention and treatment by combining this genomic data with rich clinical and environmental data. MVP will allow the nation’s top researchers to perform the most cutting-edge science to treat some of the nation’s most troubling diseases – not just among Veterans, but those that impact individuals worldwide. 

Randy Noller
Dept. of Veterans Affairs
Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
810 Vermont Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20420
[email protected]

Now What?

What is our takeaway as stakeholders in VA health care and benefits systems? How many other companies were approached by VA to “help” without the burden of comprehensive vetting?

Given VA’s admission that the deal may have violated numerous laws and policies, what would have happened if I did not notice the few press pieces on the agreement?

The process of learning about Meshkin and his companies took me a few hours of searching on Google. I did not earn a dime to write that story. Meanwhile, someone inside VA was paid a great deal to vet Flow Health before agreeing to share our electronic health records with that company. That process did not happen in a satisfactory manner.

We may have dodged a bullet here, but some readers may want to consider filing a complaint with VA OIG to ensure our genomic data is protected, not only from Flow Health, but from other similarly situated companies with similar agreements.

@VetAffairsOIG Why did VA enter agreement that violated laws on genomics with Flow Health Inc? Click to Tweet

UPDATE: 1/26/17, 4:20 PM. I was contacted by Brian Meshkin today about his brother’s company and past business practices. See that story here.

CorpsmanUp!

Maybe Mike Missal can send Lin Halliday over there for lunch. That would be a sight! (Hungry Hungry Hippo theme song playing in the background and shit)

Ex va

Just want to thank you for stopping this potential catastrophic event. You did the research when people in those positions in the va should have done the work. It is kinda a scary thought on these deals and what is going on behind these agreements.

91Veteran
Speaking of work, if you take this at face value, that it was a reviewed VA project, imagine the amount of effort that went into this scheme to the point Meshkin is touting it all over the press. That should have been hours of review by VA flunkies before Meshkin ever said a word to the press. …and NOT ONE of those VA flunkies recognized the regulations, policies and privacy problems. Whoever has the authority to sign off on spending… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

Mahalo Nu Loa (Formal Hawaiian Thank You) Ben. Ex va is correct. Someone in the VA should have done that work. I will file a complaint with the OIG.

Disgruntled Veteran

Correction: Mahalo Nui Loa.

Fingers not working too well this evening.

ANutterVet

@Disgruntled Veteran – Bruddah, you wen forgot let me know ow can get n touch [its been awhile, tried my best at pigeon]? Been getting screwed over at VA.

Disgruntled Veteran
Be here soon. Then all here can know 95% of my story if they so choose. Will share it out publicly. Just have a few pieces (personal identifiers) of info like SSN to redact. I truly enjoyed my service – – – all 17 plus years. I had the best job in the world. Right up until the last three months. Had things gone the way they should have for the last three months, I would not be the Disgruntled… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

Here you go:

“https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BwW3GYHN5AtcQ0dydlJoV052Unc”

Presidential Letter

ESA
@Disgruntled Veteran I shouldn’t feel as stunned as I do after reading your letter. Ben Kraus exposes the underbelly of the VA system and I share the site with anyone who will listen. These are the things most Vets are unaware of and I encourage Vets to check out the site so they see the kind of corruption they are up against. I understand your despondency. I work with Vets and frequently refer them to a VSO for assistance with… Read more »
ESA
i discovered this yesterday 1/6/17. I hope it helps. Upgrading a Discharge due to Error or Injustice DoD ensure veterans are aware of the opportunity to have their discharges and military records reviewed for all veterans who believe they have experienced an error or injustice to request relief from their service’s Board for Correction of Military/Naval Records (BCM/NR) or Discharge Review Board (DRB). For discharge upgrades, if the discharge was more than 15 years ago, the veteran should complete DD… Read more »
ANutterVet

@ESA – I found your post while searching on another VA issue. I know Disgruntled Veteran [DS] as well. As you read DS’s letter, it clearly states how he has been cheated out of his pension, true disability rating, and then DS is force to pay back monies that he received previously for his pension. Thought I would share that your post was read. Its appreciated.

Archangel

Thank you for all the work that you do for us.

namnibor
Great Job, Benjamin! With this situation you can now surmise just how the VA”s new Denver/Aurora VAMC has become incredibly over-budget and still counting the beans, right? I am betting that the VA rarely does ANY vetting or real digging in the awarded contracts and with this “Munchkin”, I still would be very surprised to later find that “Munchkin” was not related to someone at the VA or some other form of nepotism because just what kind of large agency… Read more »
Dennis
With respect to the author of the article, your use of the legal term “vetting” is difficult for me to picture. So I have taken the liberty of translating that word into “laymens speak”; “vetting” = “hide from The People an insanely stupid, costly, and nearly untracable backdoor deal made with the cousin (who used to race cars) of an associated member(s)of the AFL/CIO labor union(office staff) in order to fund a NASCAR return.”. VA failed to properly “vet”. Am… Read more »
namnibor

Perry Mason is right on target, Dennis! Even ‘Columbo’ and Angela from ‘Murder She Wrote’ agree, and the ‘A-Team’ required heavy sedation via reptile tranquilizer blow-darts because they wanted to go all-out recon on the VA. RAND concurs that “vetting” has absolutely nothing to do with actual “vets”.

91Veteran

Sheesh. Helen Keller could have seen what a scam this was.

Crazy elf

Kudos, Ben!
It’s about time the VA was held accountable.
Only one question, “Was any taxpayers monies given out before the contract was cancelled?”
I agree namnibor, seems to me there might be something going on we don’t know about, as in ‘nepotism’!

namnibor

Yeah, I wonder what “Munchkin’s” next little hobby will be? Space Travel? (the rockets will look really grand) 🙂

Seymore Klearly

Maybe if he plays his cards right he can get some air time for being the poor abused punk on cell block C.

Crazy elf

Folks, I just opened this video, dated 29 Dec. 2016 (3:27 minutes), from “The Connors Report Media Network”
It’s coming via “InfoWars”.
Y’all have got to google it. The information is important to all “Patriotic Americans”!
Titled:

“Spain Says ISIS Raising Cash in Latin America to Attack US”

Their getting their info from reputable news sources!

namnibor

Breaking News: Wall Street Journal released report about the VA fail at excessive opioid prescribing. “[The VA Hooked Veterans on Opioids, Then Failed Them Again

The agency overprescribed painkillers to returning soldiers, fueling addiction; now rehab facilities are overwhelmed]”

“http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-va-hooked-veterans-on-opioids-then-failed-them-again-1483030270”

“5 Things About Veterans and Opioid Addiction ” “http://www.wsj.com/articles/5-things-about-veterans-and-opioid-addiction-1483033025”

namnibor
The Wall Street Journal writer must have been paid by the VA Public Affairs to paint all we Veterans as 10x more likely to be opioid abusers. Is this the VA lashing-out passive-aggressively? Also seems to favor McDonald, but maybe need other eyes to discern and confirm that nuance I got. Nowhere in those articles does it tell the story of how the VA has outright stopped pain meds on Veterans, causing them to go into withdrawal and sometimes then… Read more »
Crazy elf
Hey, namnibor, want to watch a real man tell it like it is? He’s from the New York city area and is part of the educational system. He’s got some BIG BALLS! It’s from “Political Madness”, dated 29 Dec. 2016 (13:18 minutes long). Titled: “Trump’s Manager Defends Hid Racist Obama Comments: “It’s Time To Say This!!!”” As I listened to him, he made perfect sense as what the Obama’s have gotten away with for eight years! Whether you agree or… Read more »
Dennis
Hell the VA was prescribing me 180 mg per day morphine on top of 40 mg per day hydrocodone, on top of Clonazepam, and a variety of psychiatric drugs. I was never allowed to meet the doc prescribing these because I got banned from my clinic before our appointment. So the pharmacists entered a phoney pain contract (I never saw or signed one) into my record, and voila! Dennis was locked to the couch and subdued on life shortening doses… Read more »
namnibor
When I used the VA Medical, the pain Dr. had me at first on high doses of Methadone, which did *nothing* for my various pains, so next step was massive doses of Morphine, which made me even more nauseated and rather deal with pain than that crap but I also had all my pain meds stopped by that pain Dr. because he claimed my urine came up positive for THC so I had to bring the asshole Arab Dr. at… Read more »
Dennis
@namnibor I told them that THC helps with nausea because it did. At the doses I was on the mornings were vomitting and the night time sheer panic attacks trying to get to sleep also seemed to help using by vapor THC. Morphine dosing at high levels is precisely like a heroin addict – night time terrors and morning sickness. Since Oregon is a marihuanna state and I had a card they simply ignored the THC as being a “presumptive… Read more »
jeffrey kleven

VA SCHEDULED ME FOR A PHYSICAL THERAPY EXAM ,AFTER REQUESTING A COLONOSCOPY FOR MY LEFT SIDED COLOSTOMY ,AS OF 1996 ,I RECEIVE COLOSTOMY SUPPLY ,DO THE STUPID FUCKERS THINK A PHYSICAL THERAPY SESSION WILL CURE THE PAST REMOVAL OF MY COLON//

Bill

Simple question which I already know the answer

Why does it take exposing the nit wits in the VA to force the VA into doing what their job is suppose to be?

Thank you for the good work Ben

Seymore Klearly
First thank you Ben you have done an excellent job of bringing this issue to light of day. A deeper look finds that the only Vetting that went on here was when a Congressional representative cashed Brian Meshkin’s checks. If the checks were good, then he got the records through his slimy brothers organization. The Meshkin brothers are working this scam together. Before showing the documented payoff let me first provide a little background on the oldest brother Brian. Brian… Read more »
namnibor
Great sleuthing, Seymore Klearly. Excellent sleuthing!!! What a slime-ball couple of brothers already playing pocket pool with the VA and Sec. McDonald. Damn! The VA either never ever vetted “Munchkin” or what’s more than likely, is the VA *knew* all along but it was the disinfecting qualities of daylight/truth/Benjamin Krause, that hedged this hog with lipstick into the VA backing-off. How many additional things like this bogus contract go completely unnoticed by the VA or the VA turns a blind… Read more »
91Veteran

Ho Lee Fuk.

…and to think PubMed used to be some respectable medical publication outlet.

I’m curious who the Congress critter is. This is an elaborate scam involving quite a few people, and I believe is just scratching the surface.

It explains why Congress just can’t seem to perform proper oversight. Too many of these bastards are lined up at the VA back door with their hands out.

Crazy elf

This begs an answer over, “Who received ‘kick-backs’ from the taxpayer’s funded VA?”
Something is wrong with this whole scheme!

Crazy elf
Seymore, Here’s an article, with video, showing our State Department’s credit card is about to come due for payment. It’s from “GOPtheDailyDose.com” dated; 30 Dec. 2016 by William Smith. Titled; “Traitor Among Us: Obama Spends $770 Million To Build Foreign Mosques As American Soldiers Die (Video)” I would hasten to add, “while Veterans, due to the VA, are also dying!” Obama’s contempt of our military and veterans is not only widespread, it’s soon to be history. Too bad more articles… Read more »
91Veteran
What’s the takeaway from this? I still think it’s the same as I commented before…that someone thought they had an opportunity to be the next get rich quick off of veterans Shinazi and tried to sneak this through using Meshkin. There is no way this kind of supposed research went through any kind of formal review if it “violated numerous VA regulations, policies or laws”, particularly in privacy. Either it did not go through any review, which means some VA… Read more »
Crazy elf
I think an AUDIT of every contract entered into by VA should be done. It’s like this. When new voted in representatives go to Washington, they may or may not be wealthy. Yet, at the end of their ‘terms’, they seem to be filthy rich! How? From special interest groups, ie; lobbyists and big pharma and business associates. This is the main reason why most Democrats were voted out this time. I wonder, how many upper VA management have gotten… Read more »
namnibor

There we go again thinking alike! 🙂

91Veteran
I think upper VA hacks get rich the same as Congress, on both sides, did. Likely the same way certain VSO flunkies make money. Insider trading. They know when a law will be passed, or a contract will be let benefitting a certain company greatly, so they invest in the company just prior to the law or contract letting, and make piles of money on the other side. It was not illegal for Congress to do this as recently as… Read more »
Crazy elf

@91Veteran,
One name——–
“Martha Stewart!”

The one ‘thing’ I admire she did, (before, during and after her guilty verdict on “Insider trading”), is she went to prison keeping quiet for “the good old boys”!

namnibor
I do hear clown music when reading those links Seymore Klearly posted about the scheming Munchkin Brothers. Definitely circus music with very evil clowns. Every over-budget VA Contract Project must be rife with more circus, err, circle jerking the tax-payers and ripping-off Vets by proxy. AUDIT the VA by an entirely independent corporate accounting firm in Sweden or something as to make sure the VA cannot taint those results because I am thinking when it all comes undone, the VA… Read more »
Jo3n
The VA’s laws and policies….I don’t think they are aware of them. Privacy? You mean our privacy? Ben, another great article. How did the VA get out of the contract? Does the VA think Veterans believe all these new signs and cropped grassy knolls, new golf carts, and guards everywhere makes us believe the care is better? Sounds like the VA is searching for another research and development scheme like the hep-c fiasco. Doesn’t the VA have an oversight committee… Read more »
Dan Martinez

Note the deal is being made by John Hoskins Medical Center and Mayo Clinic and 5 other Non-profit Hospitals that are world renounced. Don’t get happy yet !!! Flow Health Inc., was never really in play – just to keep some reports busy.

Dan Martinez For Secretary of Veterans Affairs

namnibor

??????????????

ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Here is a link for Dan Martinez. Don’t know about the trustworthiness of the data.

“http://www.disabledveterans.org/2016/12/30/vetting-fail-dept-veterans-affairs-cancels-flow-health-inc-deal/”

namnibor

Nope. That link you posted brings one right back to this article on Ben’s site posted today.
Don Martinez posted a long post earlier this week in promoting himself for VA Sec., but with no mention of the VA AFGE Union being renegotiated and he never replied when I mentioned that glaring omission from his “manifesto of sorts”.

Hence, my post of ???????????

namnibor

Correction: I certainly meant “DAn”, not “DOn”…(my clear need for more coffee)

ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Sorry about the brother. The correct link is below.

“http://www.insuranceclaimsconsult.com/secretary-of-veterans-affairs-Dan-Martinez.html”

ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Yea, I was skeptical as well. Below is a link that Dan Martinez met with Donald Trump. A lot of ?????

“http://insuranceclaimsconsult.com/martinez-s-talks-with-trump-sec–veterans-affairs.html”

namnibor

@ANutterVet- Thanks. More ??????? than substance and it seems the only photo is of a congressman, not Dan Martinez. I smell ring-knocker.

Disgruntled Veteran

@ANutterVet @Namnibor – Thanks for the 411. Took a look at the first link. My Bullshit Detector is clanging so hard it has brought on a Major Migraine. Had to take something for it.

When I tried the second link, it returned a 404 – and we all know what that means. Three different browsers all returned the same result.

Disgruntled Veteran

It is also interesting that Dan promises “This savings can be used to bring down our national deficient or to be used to support Trump’s infrastructure plan in creating Jobs”

The word deficient vice deficit is neither correct in context or spelling on the man’s website. While I understand human error, in this case – – – the verbiage used changes the whole construct of the conversation.

Disgruntled Veteran

So are you really saying that “the world refuses to recognize, or abide by any longer” info that emanates from John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, and five other non-profits? That is but one of the definitions for the word “renounced”.

I looked at your site, and I smell a BIG RAT!

ANutterVet
@Disabled Veteran – I doubt that Dan Martinez replies to your question. He doesn’t want to get pinned down in specifics. And, if he truly was interested in serving Veterans, he would be posting his qualifications, agreeing with Ben, and calling out the unjustified actions of the VA, Branches of the Military, the many different types of Military Boards and Hearing Panels, and companies that are ripping off our Government, therefore shafting Veterans from the blink side. Go get’em Ben!… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran

I hear ya, Brother! You are so right.

Read and replied to your comments re my letter to POTUS. My list of enclosures to that letter (Documents the US Gov had generated) made the total package about 90 pages long.

Jo3n

Well Dan, does this mean it’s just to cover up something else? Care to elaborate?

yesIcomplainloudly
Isn’t this wipe…uhhh…David Shulkin… supposed to review, ask questions and sign off on new, unknown vendors to be using this kind of data about veterans? Geeee,… I know wipe-face himself thinks he’s an entrepreneur – what with his one-time invention of a data-base to judge the quality of healthcare practitioners and all – which he bucked out of after a year and really didn’t make a goddamn cent on because nobody used the fucking thing, although he insists everyone did.… Read more »
John Galt

Great Investigative Work and Results and none too soon!

Looks like Alex Mechkin’s brother, Brian Meshkin, is also in the genome data mining business: “Proove Biosciences and Specialty Health Announce a Positive Coverage Determination by Leading Nevada Insurer for Genetic Testing” http://www.brianmeshkin.com/proove-biosciences-and-specialty-health-announce-a-positive-coverage-determination-by-leading-nevada-insurer-for-genetic-testing/

John Galt

Great Investigative Work and Results and none too soon! Looks like Alex Mechkin’s brother, Brian Meshkin, is also in the genome data mining business: “Proove Biosciences and Specialty Health Announce a Positive Coverage Determination by Leading Nevada Insurer for Genetic Testing” 2016 article.

Jo3n

Ben, above, Dan M., says Flow Health Inc., was” never in play”. In original article, I thought you said they were hired. Either way, glad they gone?

Benjamin Krause

About Dan M, if Flow Health Inc was never in play, VA would not have had an agreement to cancel 10 days ago.

Crazy elf

Ben,
Is it possible to find out ‘IF’ and ‘WHO’ (possibly) received taxpayers monies where someone in VA entered into this contract?
It seems to me, taxpayers monies were changing hands. If true, then could it not be argued (someone or many someone’s) could have committed criminal activities against taxpayers and veterans?

VAISLYING INC

VA DC HQ IS ONE BIG BIG FEDERTAL RICO CRIME RACKET POTUS TRUMPER SHUT IT ALL DOWN ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANutterVet
@Disgruntled Veteran – I read your whole story. Let me honestly and whole heartedly say, “thank you for serving our country with great leadership skills, and your dedication and commitment to other military personnel, and your devotion to your family while you were on complicated and sensitive military operations.” It is my hope, that one day you’ll find someone that will be able to rectify all the errors in your total military jacket. And, that the U.S. Government will retroactively… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
@ ANutterVet – I truly appreciate your investment of time to read my letter to President Obama. I knew the White House had indeed received it, when they had a few females call to “urge me in the strongest possible terms” to call the suicide hot line. Somehow, I cannot believe that the suicide hot line would be able to effect the changes necessary in order to put things right. Especially since on a night when I truly was in… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Disgruntled Veteran – I’m not surprised on how the VA, White House, and other governmental agencies, don’t respond in kind to one’s requests. Workers of such, think that they own the offices and the operational work protocols involved. DV, your situation really needs someone to review your case, and hopefully that person will truly give you a fair and honest re-evaluation of your retirement status, and the retirement monies that were reneged by the Government. I hope that someday, you’ll… Read more »
Ex va

@Anutter vet, congratulations on your 30 years anniversary. So, happy for you both. God Bless.

ANutterVet

@Ex va – Thank you my Brother. We met in college located in one of the islands in beautiful Hawaii. Yes, I married a wonderful island girl. Hula, hula! Then a fantastic luau! @Disgruntled Veteran, you should pick up on this. LMAO

ANutterVet
@Disgruntled Veteran – I meant for you to chime in about having a Hawaii local woman as your best friend and soul mate. I re-read my post, and didn’t want you to take my comment in a negative way. This can be a problem about interrupting messages in emails, blogs, and forums. The writer tries to express one thing, but the message can say something else to the reader. To be upfront, I’ve had some problems myself in discerning messages… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
@ ANutterVet – First, Congratulations on your 30th Wedding Anniversary. Any woman that can put up with grizzled old bastards like us for extended periods, probably ought to be nominated for sainthood. My wife and I will be celebrating our 20th this coming June. We did not meet until I had been out of the military for two years. She is a local haole who came to Hawaii from Chicago when she was two. Second, I am one of these… Read more »
namnibor
VA Sec. Robert McDonald is notably very nervous on the first day of The Year of The Rooster. Why? The VA recently redefined Roosters to include McDuck, which both could easily meet the chopping block journey to a P&G New Year’s Dinner, so let’s all hope and pray that ‘McDuck” will be served and served cold and a brand new VA Secretary will rise from ashes in 19 days. Happy New Years to all and may the VA have a… Read more »
Crazy elf

Here it is, 7:31 am on 1 January 2017!
“HAPPY NEW YEAR” to all veterans out there.

Crazy elf

Here’s something interesting.
I watched “The Doctor of Common Sense” this morning. He’s upset about these “Sanctuary Cities” going to use taxpayers monies to hire attorneys to defend the illegal immigrants.
In California, it is estimated to be anywhere from “$10 million to $80 million.
Of course, it’s Democrats and a few Republicans pushing this agenda.
The question arises on one issue.
“Why would taxpayers want to be burdened with this illegal scheme, over those who are entering our country illegally?”

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