Practice Of Scrubbing Bad VA Employee Records May End

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VA Employee RecordsThe practice of scrubbing black marks from VA employee records to evade long-term accountability for bad conduct may become a thing of the past.

The 115th Congress opened with unanimous support to end the scrubbing of black marks from employee files. The move is aimed at increasing accountability by ensuring bad employees are no longer unwitting passed around VA once negative marks are removed from their file.

VA Employee Records Legislation

Rep. Ryan Castello (R-Pa), a lawmaker who sponsored the legislation, said, “Part of the systemic problems with the Department of Veterans’ Affairs stem from the fact that current policy prevents the keeping of complete employee files and does not allow the at-fault employees to be tracked or held accountable.”

Under present law, any admonished worker has their record scrubbed after two years. Should the employee receive a more serious reprimand, that black mark would be removed after just three years. Once removed, no hiring manager would be aware of the negative history.

GOP’s fixation on VA reforms focused on increasing employee accountability and improving patient care were center stage in passing the legislation.

The new head of House Committee on Veterans Affairs, Rep. David Roe, MD (R-Tn), said the new legislative push should give any new VA secretary another tool to improve accountability.

“No one is saying employees can’t improve their performance,” Roe said. “But managers should know the complete history of their staff when they are determining who is best qualified for any given position. This is a common sense reform.”

House Committee On Veterans Affairs

The following paragraphs are straight from the House Committee’s website. Click here to read the one-pager on the act:

Ensuring VA Employee Accountability Act

Background: Under current VA policy, an admonishment and reprimand can only stay in an employee’s record for two and three years, respectively. These limitations make it difficult for VA managers to properly review an employee’s performance or grasp an accurate picture of their work history, as there is no record of their poor performance or acts regardless of how many different jobs they have held within the VA. The Ensuring VA Employee Accountability Act, introduced by Rep. Ryan Costello (RPA), would require all reprimands and admonishments given to VA employees to remain in their file for as long as they are employed by the department. This bill is identical to H.R. 1038, which passed the House during the 114th Congress.

The Message:

  1. The VA’s protection of misbehaving employees permits a culture at the Department of Veterans Affairs that allows the failures of a few to overshadow the good work done by the vast majority of VA employees.
  2. The VA can never truly serve veterans until it ensures that only the most ethical and qualified employees advance and retain VA positions.
  3. VA managers should know the complete history of their staff or potential hires when determining who is best qualified for any given position.
  4. If a VA employee fails in their duties to provide services to our veterans, the VA should document these failures, and the employee should be held accountable.

Possible Problems With Act

Let’s hope this is a good first step with the new Congress in pushing for elusive reform measures that previously evaded former Rep. Jeff Miller and VA executives.

RELATED: VA Boss Paid $85k To Quit, Then Rehired

At least according to coverage of the legislation, the report makes no mention of the bad practice of VA forcing employees out through resignation or termination while allowing that same employee to later to apply for new jobs at different locations.

Who will track their employment performance history?

RELATED: VA Rehires Known Liar Fired For Making False Allegations

An apparent lack of centralization of VA personnel files supposedly allows bad employees to jump ship only to show up at a new location. Hiring managers as of late have failed to follow up on references including discussing possible problems with previous managers before being rehired.

For example, in Phoenix, Deloris Judd was fired in March 2016 from VA in North Chicago but then rehired at Phoenix VA to run its derelict Veterans Choice Program.

In October, I previously reported:

Deloris Judd was fired in March 2016 for abuse of patients a lying to arbitrators during her termination appeal. Three months after her termination, she was hired by Phoenix VA to administer the Veterans Choice program.

Shortly after her negligent hire, the Choice Program at Phoenix VA went down the tubes.

Is it too much to ask that this legislation address mot only present employees but also prevent negligent hiring of known liars previously forced out of the agency?

Source: Washington Examiner – House Vote On Record Scrubbing

Tracy Lanners
Tracy Lanners

I got the pleasure if spending the day with an ethical and accountable VA employee, whom is treated like garbage in my opinion.

Ex va
Ex va
Who is to judge what is ethical and accountable? An unethical service chief, associate director and/or director? When they talk of ethics and employees whom are they talking about really???? A clerk is allegedly rude or can be blamed for a scheduling error. I saw these kind of setups because the providers cause diversions and dramas to hide their poor clinical performance. These employees are the ones treated like garbage. They know the behaviors of the providers and if they… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

Try reporting negligence and unethical, immoral behaviors of providers. VAOIG will dump it. Try following their reporting procedures such as “duty to report”. You will be unethically harassed, threaten and have numerous enemies that will make your life a living hell…..

Timothy Erwin Ramos
Timothy Erwin Ramos
You are absolutely right. I’m in that situation now. There are plenty of ways that whistle blowers can complain about harassment and get help. But try being a Veteran that illegal actions where taken against, and find a place to go complain when your Patient Advocates know what is happening, but the problem was with the ex COS now MD of course. Their is nowhere. I filed an appeal on them not getting me a medical item I have 3… Read more »
james gallegos
I hope my friend, that the coming year you will get everything you need. The VA has done much to harm veterans. That is why Ben and many other veterans have spoken out and are trying to change the system for the better. They have passed a rule., where the employees can be relieved of duty for their misdeeds. So we are hoping this new year will bring relief to those who really need it. So many veterans have not… Read more »
Lem
Lem
I maxed out on a “TENS unit” years ago. Tried capsaicin cream low dose 0.25% and quickly maxed out on it but when I went to the pharmacy where I was buying it before the VA put it on the formulary they had run out of the low dose and the pharmacist after asking me how well it was working gave me a different brand with 0.75%. You can now get up to 1%. It broke the cycle of pain… Read more »
Jo3n

This is about one one-hundredth of the accountability we are speaking of. By erasing the(crime, mistake, accidental damage, death), you start a cover-up, and you become part of the issues. New management would never know. The issue is, “accountability”. All inclusive. Let’s don’t pick one thing at a time. These people were already caught, most likely the black marks may just be probation. 2 weeks, we wipe it clean. Nite y’all.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Agreed. What is required is a full-on frontal assault by the new POTUS, the Congress, and the incoming SecVA. If the VA is ever to change for the better – – – the ass-kicking to their worthless “leadership at all levels” needs to begin very soon.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Disgruntled Veteran – I couldn’t of said it better. Thanks.

IrateVet24601
IrateVet24601
you want to talk about ethical and accountable, that is all well and good, I would just be happy if one of the employees that I have to deal with were LITERATE. My VR&E counselor seems to have forgotten that she is a civilian working at the VA and still thinks that our meetings are one way conversations like she would have with some snot nosed private. It is really bad that I know their regs better than she does… Read more »
CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

A bunch of civilians hate the fact that veterans can adapt to any environment you give them, especially if you are citing SOP. Tell that big fat and nasty to get a grip. There is always 1 sta puff fatback in every VA , I swear!

namnibor
namnibor
‘[Is it too much to ask that this legislation address not only present employees but also prevent negligent hiring of known liars previously forced out of the agency?]” I think this does not begin to go far enough. This should be retroactive going BACK at least 3 years from today to root-out the fraudsters that have been covered-up effectively under McDonald. DONE! This is yet another regulation that come-a year or so from now, yet another regulation will be needed… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@namnibor,
Well said, brother!

VA, so far, has shown no accountability on hardly any employee. Start at the top, work down!
Get rid of the damn union!

namnibor
namnibor
Let me use this analogy using recent acts of gov’t accountability, done sloppily, but if the DoD can go after all those past in-wartime reenlistment bonuses and make it stick for at least 1000 Veterans, then WHY THE HELL can’t this “Practice of scrubbing on path of accountability” have added teeth to be able to go back at *least* 7 years and connect the dots and fire the lot and make them payback gains, if any????!!!! We need freaking laws/regulations… Read more »
T
T
I agree tee-totally and completely. Won’t happen though. I guess I am in deep shit for letting state boards, locally elected, the censors, media, Vet groups, know what I have gone through and seen others go through and sick of it. I can’t even get my trash can in front of my house and have to go down the block to put my trash out. Trash company won’t allow their workers to walk down or us pick-up trucks to pick… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
This video comes from “Fox News 32” out of Chicago, Il. Yesterday, or the day before, a “live video was posted on Utube” of a “special needs” kid being tortured by four individuals. Two young girls and two boys. The news title is; “Trump Supporter tied up, tortured for two days on Facebook Live!” Jan. 4, 2017. (3:03 minutes long) This video went viral in a short time frame. A “community organizer” in Chicago called it a “Hate Crime!” Yet,… Read more »
Lem
Lem

More hope

namnibor
namnibor
“Ilhan Omar emerged victorious from her primary as a media darling, but a look into her past reveals possible marriage and immigration fraud Minneapolis, MN- Ilhan Omar became the biggest story of Tuesday’s Minnesota Primary election. Omar defeated 21 term incumbent Phyllis Kahn for the DFL nomination for state representative in House District 60B. It is historic because Kahn is the longest serving member of the Minnesota House of Representatives, having held her seat since 1974. Omar will make history,… Read more »
CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
Ben, It looks as though you investigative reporting has paid off. The OIG even has been slow to release reports lately too in the wake that you have reported that they have been secretly dumping reports. Their last publication was 12/20. It is easy to cross reference their lies, but I think that they may have some controls over what shows up firts in the search engines, either by altering search criteria and relevance when any user types in certain… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Y’all are going to love the crap outta this. From; “The Alex Jones Show” Jan. 5, 2017. (8:24 minutes long) Titled: “The Coming Fight: Trump Goes on Offense” We on here have been calling for the government to be audited. Rand Paul introduced “Audit the Fed” AGAIN! TRUMP’S behind him on this, and, Obama CANNOT veto it! There’s plenty of promises which are going to be kept by the Republicans. As VPOTUS Elect, Mike Pence, stated yesterday in front of… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

P.S.
Did y’all know the IRS employs 17,000 workers? They need to be fired as well as employees of the VA!

james gallegos
Laws are being broken everyday by VA management and whistle blowers are still attacked. These Managers will skirt this law, al they have to do is not report it and keep it in house. Don’t do it again ! Remember, that whistle blowers will be accused of something and that placed into their file, have provisions been made to cleanse those records. Will those whistle blowers once they win, will the Manager be fired or will they just have a… Read more »
Jo3n

I am still confused about the VA employee murdering the Vet. I am sure the U.S. has laws against murder. There’s no time limits on charging one for murder. Is it up to the family of the Veteran? Why didn’t the State pick it up? I believe that the real issue for Veterans is decent medical care and proper handling of records. In the VA, that’s not going to happen. Close the VA Health care DOWN.

James Gallegos
If you read star’s and stripes and read the comments. You will see someone is repling to the story and one is telling other veterans don’t not to use choice and other veterans should stop complaining about the VA. I believe that the VA is having VA employees to respond in an effort.to get veterans from speaking out. You can tell that those people have not done any research. If they had they would not be so harsh on the… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
I’m very encouraged to see this passed and hope it is signed into law. With that said, and not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but this presumed bad behavior will be documented properly. I haven’t read the legislation so I hope this pertains to anyone employed by the VA, not just non medical provider employees. I want it to apply to quack medical providers as well that get shuffled around to various VAs, even with marks against… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va

@91Veteran, i hope what you stated above will happen.

james gallegos
Notes, Notes, Notes, How many strikes before your out, what is a firing offence. Is Retaliation against a whistle or retaliation against a veteran a fire able offence. Is falsifying a wait list grounds for firing an employee, If so who gets fired the employee or the manager ? Is hitting or yelling or falsely accusing a veteran of disruptive behavior a fire able offence ? WHAT IS CONSIDER AN OFFENCE THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A FIRE ABLE OFFENCE ????… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
To All – I called in a refill for my pain medication, which I’ve been on for some time. The receptionist told me that my PCP received the request for a refill, but the Pharmacy does not have the medication ready to be picked up at the window. I explained to the receptionist, that I need the medication because I’ve been on them for some time. Plus, in 2006, I had a 100% fully blocked LAD artery [the widow maker… Read more »
Ex va
Ex va
@NutterVet, call back to PCP and tell them you cannot get the meds. Do not let time pass on this issue. This is your life. My brother in law has same kind of problem with his heart medications. They have to order it thru another pharmaceutical company because it is not standard meds. The va wants to give him a hard time too. He had a triple bypass and a lot of problems and cannot afford it except thru va… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran
@ANutterVet – Do what Ex va suggests. First priority is to get those meds. Then, see if there is a local “action line” at a radio or TV station you can call. Sometimes they can help. Frankly, the way we are treated by the VA is disgusting. But it is really simple in the end. You want to live as long as you can. They want you tie as quick as you can. Saves time. Saves money that they could… Read more »
Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Correction to my last: They want you to die as quick as you can.

Dreaded auto-correct. Posting from someone else s computer.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

I have really enjoyed reading ALL the comments thus far. Very clear that my six is covered very well by ALL of my Brothers and Sisters comments. Keep passing around the 411.

As I had previously stated: “It is too soon to tell, BUT it looks like we may finally have a REAL Commander-In-Chief”. I think it is still too soon to tell, however, all the signs i have seen thus far are very encouraging.

Stay Vigilant. Stay in the fight.

Jo3n
Ben, from the “message” just an observation. 1. Most of the VA employees are spoiled. What they have is going to be hard to give up. 2. How would anyone know who to advance with black marks erased? Do I believe a supervisor would erase the black marks for a friend? 3. Same thing as Same as 2.. 4. I have no idea what employees at the VA’s jobs are. I just don’t get much change here. Nothing to back… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
In response to “ANutterVet”, get ready for VHA employees to try everything possible to screw over you. At least for the next few weeks, or even a few more months. Until President Elect Trump finds someone who will not be afraid to take on the VA’s, and union, corruption! In my opinion, they’re hunkering down for a fight to continue on with “Business as Usual!” We’ve got to be patient. I know it’s hard. I just had a run-in with… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@Crazy elf- Did you get anything resolved with that thing a few months back where they had sent you a letter stating they were going to reduce your % or something? Hope so. Just wondering what the story was with that one. Peace. I also agree that regardless of whatever new regulation is passed, until Pres. Elect Trump starts wrangling swamp creatures in the swamp (AFGE and Friends), the VA may very-well be hunkering-down for a teething fight for their… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf
@namnibor, Yes, that was resolved. VA wanted the “Unemployable Paperwork” turned in. I went to the county VSO, he helped me fill it out, and faxed it to the region office. I believe it was done in retaliation because I turned in (to my Congressman) VHA (mental health employees) violating ‘HIPPA’ regulations. Kinda funny because I’ve never turned in this thing in for over 12 YEARS! All of a sudden, after a VA employee was turned in, they want it!?!?!!?… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s an article from “The Alex Jones Show”, dated: Jan. 5, 2017 (5:08 minutes long)
Titled:
“Known Liars and ISIS Collaborators Attack Trump”

“…Rob Dew breaks down a clip from James Clapper and John McCain concerning Julian Assange!”
Looks like “Songbird McCain” is acting up again to make himself look bigger than he really is!
I informed y’all we’ve not heard the last of “SONGBIRD MCCAIN!”

namnibor
namnibor

I absolutely HATE to hear McCain’s voice drone on about rubbish. He always sounds like a little kid tattle tale when he talks…at least McCain is consistent in his “Songbird”. 🙂

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

“TATTLE TALE SONGBIRD MCCAIN”
namnibor, that’s an even better nickname for that “POSER”!
Thanks, brother.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@namnibor,
The Democrats must have a lot of shit on “TATTLE TALE SONGBIRD MCCAIN”, for him to turn against his own party!!!!!!
Must be more than just his “Collusion with the enemy” or, “Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy During Times of War”, during the Vietnam War!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Disgruntled Veteran , @Crazy elf , Thanks for the encouragement. It’s hard because I’m in for my life.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
“Scrubbing Bad VA Employee Records May End”? When did this practice start? Who are the numb nuts that approved this kind of bull shit? I know in the real world you screw up on the job it doesn’t get erased from your record after a few years. Personally I don’t think the bill goes far enough. I feel that if you screw up on the job at one federal agency it should be on your record permanently. Those records should… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Seymore, you’ve hit the nail on the head. Just as we have today.
Going to be a (possible long) wait to see what’s going to happen.

Sean
Sean
The lack of scheduling is like any other government agency, they want to make sure work will always be available for their lifelong career. I knew a government technician who was required to repair 1.7 medical devices per day. Guess what, he met his quota, everyday, within the first 45 minutes of starting. He then proceeded to play cards until the end of his shift. Again his response, “I don’t want to do more, I don’t want to ever run… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
I like your method of thought with this. Would be like a self-weeding garden because they would start to devour their own out of job preservation and after the dust clears, start using the VA as a direct transition from active military to civilian life and careers by utilizing the inherent training and qualifications the gov’t has invested…win/win. The VA requires an injection of good ol’ fashioned UCMJ, light edition, but still full dose of whoop ass. (I know I… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy

“…..The move is aimed at increasing accountability by ensuring bad employees are no longer unwitting passed around VA ….”

Kinda like the Catholic church and priests.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Windguy,
That is a great “analogy” of the mentality of VA!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Windguy – Does your comment mean that hopefully in time, that when and if I visit a VA facility, that I will be able to stop holding my manly and covering my butt up? I hope its soon Brother.

namnibor
namnibor

Oh no! Even if you are in to see an Ear & Throat Specialist at the VA, a rectal probing is in tall order. Hell, even a stubbed toe because they do not know their heads from asses.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – So true, so true! I’m hoping for a good laxativity = the removal of shitty employees [sorry, I made this word up] of ALL incompetent VA Administrators, Medical, Clerical, and Toilet staff. Clean the swamp.

Bugsy, Shooter, Blood Drawer, and RICO, we got dose orders. Roger that. Move in, and take ’em out. Leave nothing unsearched. And, take no prisoners. Get a move on. Lets clean that swamp, NOW!!!

Dennis
Dennis
“We interupt this regularly scheduled broadcast to bring you this STUNNING breaking news from Washington DC; In an unprecedented congressional vote, Congress has voted that a historical record of events maintained for the benefit of The People should not be altered!!! My God, this reporter is down on the streets with the throng of people and the crowds are nervous… a hushed silence has fallen on the swamp. As a shocked America waits to see if records held for the… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Jim has just brought out those Oregonian Poop Canons, the swamp beasts are very nervous.

Jo3n

Must be snowed in, in Roseburg. Just close it down.

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