Corrupt VA Execs

No Prosecution For Conspiracy Between Corrupt VA Execs

Corrupt VA Execs

Federal prosecutors declined to hold two senior corrupt VA execs accountable in their conspiratorial scheme to enrich themselves while taking less demanding jobs.

The day before Christmas Eve, the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia said it declined a referral from VA OIG to prosecute corrupt VA execs Diana Rubens and Kimberly Graves. Prosecutors will not take aim against the two senior VA executives accused of various crimes including manipulation and false statements in support of their conspiracy.

Great timing, right? Perhaps DOJ was hoping Americans are too full on turkey and Santa to notice?

RELATED: Rubens Mocks Congress, No Fear Of Accountability

Instead, the US Attorney’s office “referred the matter to the VA for any administrative action that is deemed appropriate.” To this point, there has been no successful administrative action including demotion because VA magically botched the prosecution.

Doesn’t that figure? No accountability for those in charge. Since when did VA employees get absolved of following the law?

VA OIG REPORT ACCUSING CORRUPT VA EXECS

In a VA OIG report, investigators concluded Rubens and Graves worked together with Under Secretary Allison Hickey to force lower-ranking regional manners to take different positions against their will. Rubens and Graves then stepped into the vacancies they created after taking huge moving incentives. The two constructively accepted lower positions while keeping their high pay as SES employees.

RELATED: Why Did Hickey Cover For Rubens, Graves?

According to Stars and Stripes:

Rubens had been earning $181,497 as director of the Philadelphia regional office for the Veterans Benefits Administration, while Graves earned $173,949 as leader of the St. Paul, Minnesota, regional office. Before taking the regional jobs, Rubens was a deputy undersecretary at the VA’s Washington headquarters, while Graves was director of VBA’s 14-state North Atlantic Region.

Rubens and Graves were accused of obtaining more than $400,000 in questionable moving expenses through a relocation program for VA executives, the inspector general’s report said.

VA SAYS FRAUD WAS MERELY “BAD JUDGMENT”

In an earlier VA press release, VA called the decisions of these VA executives an example of bad judgment but not wrongdoing. Of course, wrongdoing would require VA to terminate the executives who are apparently above the law. This should come as no surprise from the same idiotic agency heads who tried to tell Congress it should be allowed to redefine accountability.

VA claims it will rectify its demotion errors that unraveled its earlier attempts to hold Rubens and Graves accountable. Should we hold our breath or scrap the heap of them?

Source: https://www.stripes.com/news/us/us-attorney-declines-prosecution-of-former-va-execs-1.386213

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  1. When the king and his or her court are corrupt the whole land is corrupt!. And still the asleep american’s do nothing but buy a 99 cent sticker [from china] to take back america??, put you’r feet up relax, you have already lost everything that maters. With out the big corporations, the sports teams you would have no identity, you would melt away to nothing. Serve the big corporations die for them and maybe they will give you a 10 dollar an hour job whale they ship the good jobs over seas. Protest for gay rights, human right, animal rights, ect, everything but the right to a living wage employment. And the rich man [thief] lives behind an armed guarded gate whale they plot to take you’r guns, you’r liberty away!! SET ON YOU COUCH AND WATCH YOU’R ASS GET BIGGER!!!!. Then tell me who won dancing with the stars.

  2. Not at all surprised the DOJ decided not to do anything. The VA prejudiced any action against them when they said it was just bad judgement. If it was just bad judgement, why are they still in positions to make decisions on anything? If it was just bad judgement, it means what they did was VA policy with no checks or balances.
    Yet every veteran will always be treated like defrauding thieves when claiming travel pay.
    I doubt the VA will take any further adverse action against them, and nobody in Congress will do anything either.

    1. Reminds me of the kid that killed four people and the defense was.he was spoiled and was never taught right from wrong and gave him ten years probation.

      His mother took him to Mexico.because he voilated his conditions of his probation.

      In the case of these two women. The VA never taught them wrong from right and the justice department is blind.

      They will be in the news again and probably for murder.since they are spoiled and too rich.they get away with it.

      Great job VA for not teaching your employees right from wrong and McDonald will probably take them to Mexico too as a bonus.

      Veterans should heed the warning your at risk of being hurt and you can do nothing about it period.

      Too spoiled and therefore should not be held accountable.the two women are laughing at every veteran and for the employees there will be hell to pay for laughing at them.

      The women were right.they had the last laugh and the VA and justice department just told them do as you please.we have your back.Veterans didn’t need or deserve the money anyway.

      1. James,
        These two
        b!t€hes will probably receive an “all expense paid vacation to Paris, France. And get to stay at that “5 star” VA run Pershing Hall Hotel. Plus, be given taxpayers monies to “shop” in the same area which houses the “Diamond Exchanges”!

  3. idonno.
    i have two 2 100% claims out there. I get paid for ischemic heart desease but nothing for 100% hearing loss. ischemic heart is distint and separate from hearing loss. .
    could someone give e some light on this? should I go legal?.

    1. There is no “200%” disability. The VA should look at each claim of disability individually… I hope.

      1. @Joeweil.
        I hate to break it to you, a veteran could have a “total disability rating of 200%”, Or even more.
        “Compensation Rating”, on the other hand, NEVER goes higher than 100%.

        That’s the difference between “Compensation” and “disability” ratings.
        Did I explain it well enough?

      2. @JoeWeil
        The way it works is easy to understand.
        Some vets have multiple illnesses. Each illness is “rated” at a (%) percentage. For example: (“disability ratings)
        1.) ptsd = 50%
        2.) periferal polynuerapathy (cause A/O) for each extremity = 10% each = 40% total.
        3.) heart erithimic condition = 50%
        4.) scars from shrapnel = 40%
        The total “disability rating” = 180% when added up.
        But, all anyone can receive (total) for “compensation” (money) is 100% = $2,950 -/+ for one person. If your married it goes up to $3,068.90 total.

        I hope this explains it?

      3. ha joe
        thankyou very much for that info. you helped me more than you will ever know.
        I am 100%componsation for ischemic heart. I am house bound, have been for 5 years now. the info you gave me saved me in a lot of ways. that means I am retired. I thinki am going to like that. it was realy getting nex tto me, heavy. I am not computer trained atall. if you hear of anything else about it, pleasedrop me a line fax038 420 430.
        last American walked through my door 4 years ago.looking forword tohearing from you. Idonno. a brother. .

  4. The VA doesnt care , the DOJ doesnt care , and the politicians do not care. We are screwed . Corrine Brown might as well be in charge. Nothing changes with the VA unless AFGE approves it . Damn shame

  5. Veterans Fight for Power to Bring Class-Action Lawsuits Over Benefits NEW’S BREAK —-YOU DAMMMMMMMM RT……

      1. Crazy Elf,

        An article on the subject in the Wall Street Journal titled “Veterans Fight for Power to Bring Class-Action Lawsuits Over Benefits”

        “https://www.wsj.com/articles/veterans-fight-for-power-to-bring-class-action-lawsuits-over-benefits-1451432453”

  6. I knew that would probably happen. I said as much on twitter and facebook that it was only saber rattling nothing was ever going to be done. I figured that out when I went to my home state US Senator Johnny Isakson’s office ( R-GA)for help with my case and was told to go elsewhere for help. Here’s the kicker I had won my case in1982 and VA refused to pay period. We need to get people into office that’s going to fight for vets.Unions do it why can’t we.

    1. Edward,
      That seems to be the norm for “career politicians”. If you don’t live in their “voting district”, they could give a rats ass about you!
      That’s why I’ve been calling for voting out all of the pussies.

      1. So why aren’t any congress members or senators doing their job or being held accountable???. They have rules too, to obey or face charges of some sort.. but maybe that’s what is needed now, since they, the congress(including the senate) are letting agencies do whatever it is they want, to make the whole federal govt act inept and thus no federal government. Just state power and that already has proven to be a disaster. Thanks Gingrich & those who want everything pre U.S.Constitution..

  7. Busy day, and spent some time on phone just being there for a few vets I know…so am now just commenting today on today’s “news” and let me just say I sometimes hate being right when it has negative ramifications such as the VA just acting like breaking rules at their financial or otherwise gain, while even -1- Veteran remains homeless is inexcusable.
    I honestly cannot wrap my logical head around these things and I too will add the VA Thug Medical Assistant that through his beating-up a 70+ sick Veteran in his hospital bed that through confirmation and alert BY a Coroner, BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA KILLED HIM AT THE VA by THE VA…the VA even re-employees the bastard while he is awaiting some court case the State of Louisiana has against him…and I am almost certain that the VA will wiggle him out of that OR throw him totally under the State’s Bus…they either cover for their own or devour them…prefer covering.

    Then the Master Masturbator VA OIG Glass Office Sexual Deviant D.C. Tourist Attraction…VA Style…he gets to f*cking retire making over $200K a year…it all enrages me.

    Some great comments on here but also brought the trove of trolls. VA Trolls. Trying to justify fraud by stating these are but ONLY -2- problem child employees….BULLSHIT!

    The VA needs basic discipline. UCMJ style. The system of Article 15’s, Court Marshalls, to even different levels of Discharges that only having the BEST, an Honorable Discharge, affords one all the benefits one has to the avail as a Vet…for good or worse, the very discipline in the military quickly and efficiently weeded-out the “liabilities”…and this process started…right at Boot Camp, all Branches, then throughout military life, and hopefully to this day that integrity remains, as it does with most of us.
    The VA has none of this. If it ever did, I do not know. I do know that the “blight” has spread and become audaciously arrogant and in our face nefarious behavior…it cannot continue.
    The DOJ of Obama could care less about Vets.

    Veteran Lives Matter

  8. Here’s an interesting article concerning this issue from the;
    “Daily Caller”
    “The News Foundation”
    Title:
    “Despite IG Recommendation, Federal Prosecutors Won’t Go After Corrupt VA Executives”
    by Jonah Bennett
    12/29/2015

    Here’s the interesting part about this. There’s a “poll” y’all can take. It only asks for your email address. They won’t give it out.
    Now, there was a “yes” and “no” button to click if you believe they “Should be prosecuted”!
    I took the poll and saw the “results!”
    It was, at least about 10-12 minutes ago “100% for YES”
    In my opinion, “public opinion” is overwhelmingly in favor of having these two prosecuted. 100% This is great news. I do believe the American Citizens are waking up to the corruption in Washington D.C.!

  9. Dear Mr. Krause:

    A slight revision which I overlooked: my letter was meant to read 365+ million Americans not a handful.

    I was so incensed about what I read I could not think straight.

    Yours for GOD and Countryt
    Frank P..Calderon

  10. Dear Mr. Krause>

    What did we risk everything we did for? If the government condones violations of our Constitutional Rights: we risked our lives, gave everything up to retain our freedom,
    not for a few but for 365 + American citizens, sometimes it makes me think for what, so that the blood sucking, few will do as they please including sell us for 30 pieces of
    silver, I will not mention to whom I refer, we all know who it is t would be redundant, deprive us of our rights.

    “All I will say if the shoe fits wear it,” all I will say is GOD will say is do not give up.

    Yours for GOD and Country
    Frank P. Calderon

  11. This is the email I sent to the DOJ of Columbia today

    My name is Suzan Rhodes, my husband, Marvin Rhodes is a Marine who served in Vietnam and is now terminal from kidney cancer mets to the brain. He has been declined full benefits from the VA for years.

    I am astounded and sickened by your decision to not prosecute the two VA executives who tried to steal from the veterans of this country. Bad judgement on their; Please……I find it hard to even swallow right now. People and especially veterans are not stupid. I do not feel we can trust any part if this administration to take care of the veterans that have served and given all.

    As I watch my husband get more ill by the day and knowing that we will be cheated out of the precious time we have to together, just as he has been cheated out of full disability I am furious over the lack of real justice. This VA Administration seems to bare no responsibility for the evil they have done. How much more needs to be stolen and how many more Veterans have to die before justice is served.

    Veterans are watching very closely and believe me when we go to the polls this c oming year this administration will see just how angry we are. This is not justice, this the U.S. Veterans being railroaded once again

    Sad, very sad indeed

    The wife of one who has given all.
    Suzan Rhodes

  12. You can be rest assured that McDonald won’t do anything to them if it gets referred back to him. If they’ll let somebody beat an elderly veteran in a VA hospital that eventually kills the elderly vet. Then they don’t prosecute the perpetrator and give him his job back?!! Absurd as hell! As for comparing the VA to Nazis? Well, the Nazis condoned the killing of concentration camp inmates; so yeah, I think you can compare that to Nazis.

  13. Add me to the list of Veterans almost harmed by the VA. I was almost given a drug that could have killed me and another drug that I’m allergic to. Not only that, but on another occasion they told me I was dying and needed to get into the ER immediately. When actually they screwed up my lab tests. It was nice of them to scare my family half to death.
    I have Post Polio Syndrome, but the medical professionals at the VA have never heard of it and obviously don’t want to. I’m on my 4th PCP after being forced into the VA System by… guess what!!! Obama Care!!!
    If you try to sign up at the Obama Care on your state exchange, and you are a Vet, you are forced into the VA medical system. For a while they were getting 50,000 new vets a month! The VA knew it was coming, three years prior, and did nothing to prepare for it. Typical Obama Government Agency… I expected the Director of the VA say that he heard about it in a TV report.
    Now my wife, also a vet, has never had a problem. And I admit that some departments are great, and some less that admirable. I don’t like the fact that they take your VA ID card and don’t give it back to you until you are seen by a provider, then they give you back your card. I believe they are holding it and not entering you into the computer until just before being seen. This gives a false report of shorter wait times that is favorable for the department.
    My wife does admit that there is not a real sense of urgency at the VA clinics. They take there time and will listen to any war/sea stories you tell. This would have never happened with my previous private provider. There also seems to be ample time for everyone to get their job done. So you can’t blame the VA problems on the stress of job urgency. In my first 4 visits to the VA I averaged a 7 1/2 hour waiting time.. that’s 30 hours of My time wasted by someone else.
    Also, you need to understand, we can’t just switch care providers, we are stuck with the VA unless we can afford ala carte medical care.
    I could go on and on… Alas…

    1. In regards to your statement “If you try to sign up at the Obama Care on your state exchange, and you are a Vet, you are forced into the VA medical system.”

      Joe as pointed out by another poster here don’t tell them you are a Vet.

      As far as any VA Health Care Employee to quote what I stated below in another post

      “Anyone who works in the VA Health Care System knows there are problems just like everyone that worked in the Concentration Camps in WWII knew there were problems.

      Even if they were just a janitor in the Concentration Camps sweeping the floors they still supported the Nazis and the Human Subject Research that was done there.

      The same applies today to any VA Employee even if you are only a janitor sweeping the floors at a VAMC. You are supporting and enabling the Human Subject Research that Veterans are being used in today. There is no excuse for your supporting the VA Health Care System in any way. Just like there was no excuse for supporting the Human Subject Research in the Concentration Camps.”

      As Ben’s article points out these are managers at the VA at the highest level so VA Health Care Employees work in a system that in not only a criminally run and managed organization but also responsible of the deaths of hundreds of thousand Americans as I pointed out in my posts below.

      1. So you are telling me to lie on a federal document? You are suggesting that i commit a felony… Bad Idea. Talk about bad ideas… you can take your concentration camp idea and shove it up your ass. Voice of Reason can also put the idea of the catholic church as a comparison where the sun don’t shine… These are lame bogus responses to a problem that is solvable. Nazi’s or ISIS is not running the VA system. Veterans are not subjugated Jews or powerless alter boys. Congress makes the laws and the Executive branch is responsible to fulfilling the laws. that is where the problems lie. No one will be held accountable for the pilfering in the VA system. No one will be held accountable for the veterans who die or are harmed in the VA system. the executive branch needs to change to a responsible administration.

      2. Joe

        Sorry if my comparison offends you but it is how I feel and I believe it to be a valid comparison.

        As for your earlier statement, “Also, you need to understand, we can’t just switch care providers, we are stuck with the VA unless we can afford ala carte medical care.”

        Also feel sorry you feel that VA Health Care is your only option. If you wake up you’ll be sorry too.

        You seem intelligent and I would like to ask if you had a chance to check out the new way that the VA is trying to gut the Veterans Choice at the link below. I would really like to know your thoughts on that subject. If you check it out please keep in mind that the Current budget already had money appropriated for the Hepatitis program.

        “https://www.bendbulletin.com/health/3321432-151/va-using-choice-program-to-pay-for-hepatitis”

  14. This sounds like an obvious case of government corruption and these two people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They should also be made to pay back all the money they stole, be fired, and lose any future benefits such as pensions or health coverage.

  15. A short while ago our scumbag congress tried passing a law to weaken criminal liability for white collar crime. It appears as though it doesn’t much matter.what kind of human excrement is running this country anyway? First and foremost these two bitchess are way over paid. Secondly they are criminals thirdly they are criminals stealing from veterens, more or les.Seriously no prosecution no payback no firing w out future benefits?? It’s a nice lack of respect our judicial adminastration is showing to the entire family of military personal . Shame and a sham.

    1. Most in congress are bought and paid for by Wall Street, corporations, and the 1%. They could care less about the average American citizen. Yet we still vote this people into office. Americans really need to wake up.

      1. Hey Kevin Miller

        In your Statement below you stated about me, “Veteran or not you sound like a 12 year old spoiled brat and an Internet tough guy. You should be ashamed of yourself.”.

        As a matter of fact I am very proud of my self for surviving VA Health Care and am like other on this site who tell it like it is.

        As for your statement on my being an Internet tough guy no truth to it. I am a Veteran that was seriously disabled by the Human Subject Research that I was used in at VAMC and am sick of fricken trolling VA employees like the poster “Voice of Reason” coming to this site spouting their VA Propaganda.

        Like I said below in another post:

        Frikin VA trolls

        VA is exactly like the Nazis with little to no regard for the victims of their Human Subject Research.

        A simple example Vioxx a drug where the junk science used on Veterans to research the drug was used to get gain FDA approval. Pulled from the shelves only after a Merck Whistle Blower pointed out the more than 26,400 major cardiac events caused by the drug. The true number of people killed or maimed by the drug is unknown but it was the VA junk science used to gain FDA approval for the drug that helped cause the deaths and maiming of likely hundreds of thousands of Veterans and Civilians. That doesn’t even include the damage done to the lives or the cost of proving care for the hundreds of thousands that were maimed by the drug with serious cardiac events but survived.

        Kevin are you a friken VA Health Care Employee?

    2. The VA plays congress and the public so well. You might want to check out the following link on what the Scumbag employees at VA Health Care are doing to the Veterans Choice Program to circumvent congress.

      “https://www.bendbulletin.com/health/3321432-151/va-using-choice-program-to-pay-for-hepatitis”

      1. I should also point out that is even after Congress just put money in the budget to pay for the Hepatitis.

  16. As an employee with the VA, please understand this is 2 people out of Thousands of hard working employees. I fully agree that they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Calling for the complete shutdown the VA is just absurd. Did anyone call for a complete shutdown of the Catholic Church after quite a few pastors sexually abused alter boys and no action was taken against them?

    1. You claiming to be the voice of reason.

      As a Veteran who has been not only severely disabled by the care I received through VA Health Care and unable to receive justice for what was done to me. I still know that I am one of the lucky ones who survived VA health care and am able to talk about it.

      I find your statement so fucking offensive.

      I sure the people who ran camps like Auschwitz in World War II felt the same as you do, you pathetic piece of shit.

      1. You are really comparing the VA to the Nazi concentration camps? Absurd. The OP stated that he feels the two criminals should be prosecuted but that not everyone at the VA are criminals and many of them are good people. Perfectly reasonable.

        You on the other hand compare the VA to a Nazi concentration camp then insult someone you have never met. Veteran or not you sound like a 12 year old spoiled brat and an Internet tough guy. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      2. Frikin VA trolls

        VA is exactly like the Nazis with little to no regard for the victims of their Human Subject Research.

        A simple example Vioxx a drug where the junk science used on Veterans to research the drug was used to get gain FDA approval. Pulled from the shelves only after a Merck Whistle Blower pointed out the more than 26,400 major cardiac events caused by the drug. The true number of people killed or maimed by the drug is unknown but it was the VA junk science used to gain FDA approval for the drug that helped cause the deaths and maiming of likely hundreds of thousands of Veterans and Civilians. That doesn’t even include the damage done to the lives or the cost of proving care for the hundreds of thousands that were maimed by the drug with serious cardiac events but survived.

      3. The problems with Vioxx should have been found when they were using Veterans as Human Research Subjects. But no, not in the VA health care system.

      4. Come on you Friken VA Trolls. Poke this bear again with a stick and see if you don’t get bite.

        We can talk about current VA research on number of subjects including Tramadol, and Dr. ShitNazi’s research on molecules R7128 and R7977.

      5. Or maybe you Friken Trolls want to put your blinders back on and not hear about the high rate of Veteran suicides and synthetic morphine (Tramadol). The bogus research on Tramadol where the VA researcher starts with 40 Veterans with PTSD and only ends up publishing the results for 4 of the subjects. Just so he can collect his pay for the paper he published without pointing out the problems with Tramadol.

        Come on you friken trolls defend your great VA health Care Machine that uses Veterans with little more respect for the Veterans they use in their unethical research than they would for a laboratory animal.

        Or maybe we should talk about the current illegal move by the VA to compromise and gut the Veterans Choice program.

        “https://www.bendbulletin.com/health/3321432-151/va-using-choice-program-to-pay-for-hepatitis”

        Go ahead poke this bear with a stick again! Please!!!

      6. Anyone who works in the VA Health Care System knows there are problems just like everyone that worked in the Concentration Camps in WWII knew there were problems.

        Even if they were just a janitor in the Concentration Camps sweeping the floors they still supported the Nazis and the Human Subject Research that was done there.

        The same applies today to any VA Employee even if you are only a janitor sweeping the floors at a VAMC. You are supporting and enabling the Human Subject Research that Veterans are being used in today. There is no excuse for your supporting the VA Health Care System in any way. Just like there was no excuse for supporting the Human Subject Research in the Concentration Camps.

      7. It think if things continue.without changed and employees are not held accountable and our elected officials just sit back and let it happen.there is going to be another war in this country.

        By the American people and it’s veterans.this is supposed to be a country of laws and not just for civilians.it supposed to apply to everyone.

        Government employees must be held accountable.there is one country no two. The government employees and then everyone else.

        Things have gotton so bad.the police are shooting people and seems to think it ok.

        Our elected officials need to be more vocal about the injustice going on in America.but no they are letting people in our government run amuck. Without balances and checks.

        Revolution happens when the government gets to big and stops caring about it’s citizens.

        This is not just happening in the VA.all government agencies are not doing their jobs to assistant it’s citizens.they are doing everything they can to ensure the citizens of these here United state’s are getting as little as possible.

        Why should our active duty personnel gave to go to the food paltry during the holidays or any other time.

        Make every able person serve at least two years in the military and you will see things change in a hurry.when everyone will he a steak holder.even our elected officials children.

    2. This is to be expected. Having worked for governmental agencies I have witnessed first hand the expertise with which government employees routinely leverage systemic dysfunctional government operations protocols to extraordinary personal financial advantage. They are masters of this black-hearted art.

    3. @voice of reason.
      I too was almost murdered by a VA physician. Given meds which caused heart and blood pressure problems. Luckily I survived.

      Here’s a few questions to you.
      Have you seen any improprieties being committed by any VA employees? If so, did you report it? If yes, good! If no, why not? The old excuse of “I don’t want to lose my job or retirement benefits!” will not fly on here or anywhere else!

      Are you a “scheduler”? Did you know VA is still using the system which caused the “wait time scandal”? If you are a scheduler, and are still using that system, WHY? And why haven’t you stopped? Or why haven’t you reported it?

      If your a healthcare professional, did you know VA is at least 10-20 years behind in the medical field?
      If you really wish to help veterans, why haven’t you or your counterparts, gone back to medical school and learned new techniques?

      These are but a few questions you need to “soul search”!
      Until you can do that, then your NO FUCKING VOICE OF REASON!

    4. @Voice of reason & Kevin Miller:

      “Two people out of thousands”!
      You are really out of touch with reality. There have veen thousands of VA employees caught doing improprieties against veterans.
      Ben’s Blog’s are a pefect example of these atrocities. There’s been numerous (thousands) articles written about these issues. There are also numerous websites concerning these issues.
      Evidently you wish to belittle, or make light of, the many- and I do mean MANY – egregious acts committed against the very veterans you claim to help!

      Ben and others have been around for a long time. They have witnessed the “crimes” committed against veterans.
      The egregious acts have only gotten worse since the whole of America has been awakened to this problem.

      Now, when anyone comes on here and tries to say things like;
      “I was only following orders!”
      Or;
      “I didn’t see what was happening!”
      Or;
      “I was afraid to admit to any wrongdoings!”

      Well, guess what! Those phrases were used by all of the defendants at the Nuremburg trials! If you know history, those defendants were Nazi’s. Those were just a few of their “defense strategies”! Look how it worked out for them!

    5. Told you they had a God complex compairing themselves as priest or equal.the pope told his priest to call the police if they seen any wrong doing.

      VA says keep letting them screw the veterans.

      $400 thousand for a move.I waited 40 years and got less that half of that after being shot in the head.

      And after I obtained my service connected disability.they punished me by saying I had been disruptive and they didn’t have to prove anything.they just did it.

      Something is way out if wack. They don’t care about veterans all the money goes to employees.who in turn blame veterans for disruptive behavior.When their the one’s that are breaking the law.

      They disruptive behavior committee is a ploy to hurt veterans.that speak up for themselves.some don’t even have to speak or do anything and that don’t matter.

      The VA has no business framing veterans and no business in the judiciary system. They are not trained to be prosecutor.lawyer’s or judges.

      Next other government agencies will start doing this to it’s citizens and it’s unconstitutional period.

      Since VA thinks they are above the law.just shut it down and let veterans see their local doctor.

      Veterans are in danger.real danger and lower employees are also in trouble.do away with the VA or clean house.from McDonald on down and give the VA back to the veterans.

    6. I also have dealt with the V.A. for some years and as a few others have mentioned here, there really are so great people working there so I would not be lowering myself to class them all as corrupt. McDonald is the biggest crook of them all and Obama is too for appointing this buffoon to his position, then walking away from vets so he can play golf or fly around the world on AF1 at our expense. All the while, Congress does nothing. The next conflict, we need to send the sons and daughters of all our politicians and the president to the front lines first. Every politician makes a mockery of our troops as they line their money pockets from big corporations. D.C. makes third world governments look like saints.

      1. Yes not every employee is a bad Apple.you have to admit there are employees that should not be working for the VA.

        IF ever employee would do the right thing and stop letting those bad employees continue things would get better.

        But whenever employees are punished for trying.they are not stupid and have seen what happens when they speak up. Retaliation.

        Does management cover up for each other. If you would right now take your smart phone and type in VA employee hurt veterans.look at them carefully.you would see over and over what VA have been doing.

        The mission of caring for veterans has turned 180 degree and has become hostile against veterans.veterans have no rights.

        It seems pretty clear that the VA does not want veterans to defend themselves against employees who would rather call the VA police to deal with veterans who speak out. Instead of listening to the veteran.it has become a check every two weeks for employees at the expense of Veterans.

        Core values has gone out the window and it’s gotten out of hand and has become a detriment to the veterans.their just not safe.

        Veterans should not have to fear the very people who were intrusted to care for them. It’s a very sad affair indeed.

        Until employees are punished for their misdeeds.veterans will be in jeopardy.

      2. Have to disagree with you Devil Doc.

        Anyone who works in the VA Health Care System knows there are problems just like everyone that worked in the Concentration Camps in WWII knew there were problems.

        Even if they were just a janitor in the Concentration Camps sweeping the floors they still supported the Nazis and the Human Subject Research that was done there.

        The same applies today to any VA Employee even if you are only a janitor sweeping the floors at a VAMC. You are supporting and enabling the Human Subject Research that Veterans are being used in today. There is no excuse for your supporting the VA Health Care System in any way. Just like there was no excuse for supporting the Human Subject Research in the Concentration Camps.

    7. @Voice of Reasoning: Do you know what it means to stand on the side of right? I have stood up against what was wrong and lost jobs because I refused to allow myself to be a part of things that were unspeakablely wrong. Guess what lost federal jobs, corporate jobs, and I was “always” better off in the end. Never went without food, shelter or clothes.

      The VA almost killed my husband, and humiliated him by allowing him to sit in his own bodily waste and urine. There were sorry individuals working there then and there are still sorry people working there now. As a voice of reasoning you need to come better than that. These two women have no shame, values or moral compass, for if they did they would resign. Instead, they will sit around and laugh and continue to treat Veterans like s#$%. My guess is you are no better.

      So take your voice and reason with the people you work with. One day you just might need that voice of reasoning when they come after you.

      You know nothing about caring for the people who protects your own behind.

    8. As a VA employee, you should also know it is more than just these two thieves, and until VA employees themselves demand VA management at all levels change and follow the law, I will think of every VA employee as corrupt law breakers until they, individually, prove they are not.
      Just going from memory:
      1 the wait scandal. Yes VA directors benefited with bonuses for this fraud causing at least 40 dead vets, but there were hundreds of other VA employees working to make that fraud happen. And it continues to this day.
      2. The former VA IG. He conducted several investigations, covered up many criminal acts, and often never released results of all of his investigations.
      3. Top VA management. These nitwits are so stupid they want to redefine accountability rather than recognize how dysfunctional the VA is…like you.
      4. The VA in Minneapolis and Montana, and likely many other places using unqualified people to conduct TBI exams resulting in injured veterans being denied medical and other benefits.
      5. VA management at all levels who knowingly violate federal laws when they retaliate against whistle blowers…their OWN employees.
      6. Of course, Tomah, WI where at least 1 veteran was killed and many more addicted by a doctor investigated and cleared by the IG. A whistle blower brought that to light and faced retaliation. Oh, and the IG cleared many other VA employees working at Tomah who came in contact with those veterans, knew what was going on, and did nothing.
      7. A supervisor in Indianapolis mocking suicidal veterans during a Christmas party. She too would have been cleared if not for public outrage.
      8. These two bimbos, Rubens and Graves collecting $400k in Relo benefits after forcing others to move costing thousands more.
      9. The VA in Kansas retaliating against their own employee there.
      10. The VA employees at any level who refuse to do their jobs, report unethical practices and lawbreaking, refuse to return phone calls, falsify records, etc
      11. Of course, Tomah…again, for the geniuses who thought playing Human Hungry Hippos in company time while veterans wait for care, and so shortly after killing a vet. Rather than engaging in that stupidity, they should have been doing mandatory training on medical ethics, employee ethics and federal retaliation laws.
      12, VA management that protected, then allowed a VA IG to whack off in a glass office in front of school teachers in company time without punishment, but allowed to retire.
      13. VA medical providers at any level who unethically withhold medical care because some bean counter claims there is not enough money.
      14. VA management that thought it was a good idea to hand out $142 million in bonuses while veterans were waiting for medical care, and dying.

      Spare me the fucking lecture on how good VA employees are.

      There is a reason so many veterans commit suicide. The VA having stellar employees with only 1 or 2 bad apples is not one of the reasons.

      1. 91 they don’t get the message.they are in denial.even when they see it for themselves. Maybe they should be made homeless it just may seek it.

        The VA makes it sound like veterans were at cub scout camp.not the military.they just don’t get it.

  17. I really hate to say it this way;
    “Did anyone actually expect any other outcome!”

    The VA is a self-serving demigod. Capable of all things evil. Their ability to circumvent ALL laws has been evident since it’s inception.

    The following is my opinion on what needs to happen —
    Since this travesty of (in)justice has transpired. The VA needs to be completely shut down. At which point, all VA employees will undergo a revamping (testing) of their skills and qualifications. If they fail, or receive low marks, their fired.
    At the same time, VA will go through a complete audit by a reputable firm. This will let taxpayers and veterans know where the monies are truly going! Anyone caught with the hands in the till. Will be prosecuted.
    I hope I’ve made a sound judgement call.

  18. Just how bad does it have to get? …the self protective insular culture seems immune to any and all checks and balances at the expense of our Veterans, their families and our nation. How can it be that nothing can be done other than pay lip service to those who served? Should we ask Jon Stewart to try and shame the bureaucratic behemoth as he did on behalf of the First Responders to 9/11? I have watched those who served die waiting for change. Really, what will it take?

  19. Wow!! This is unbelievable. I guess lying on Veterans is not bad judgment, just protocol. Its the right thing to do. We as Veterans need to make sure we are being treated as Veterans and not be defamed, slandered and vilified. If these people can get off so easily, then there should not ever be another Veteran flagged or anything. This is like some mob story, for real.

    Don’t these U.S. Attorneys know they have just given VA employees a license to kill more Veterans and the mistreatment of Veterans is going to get worst. We should all be outraged!

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