USA TODAY Publishes Secret VA Health Care Quality List

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USA TODAY just published secret VA health care quality numbers previously withheld from the public that shows ranking data the agency wanted to keep secret.

Previously, VA disclosed the existence of an internal rating system it used to assess health care quality concerns at all VA medical centers. When asked for the data, VA refused to provide it citing that it was for internal use only.

VA Health Care Quality Numbers

That data shows hospitals like Detroit VA have gotten worse in the past two years. Numerous facilities in the south in cities like Phoenix, Dallas, Memphis and others show poor 1-star ratings.

It is interesting that despite the hype around Phoenix VA, that facility is still trundling along as one of the worst rated facilities in the entire nation. Yet, VA executives like Sloan Gibson continue to assert its supposed incredible quality improvements.

Should it be unlawful for agency executives to make misleading statements about health care safety and quality to veterans and the public?

Yesterday, USA TODAY published the data so veterans and the public can be informed before making decisions about who will provide their health care.

For some quick background, VA was caught up in a massive wait list scandal where veterans were denied access to health care and died as a result. VA employees received bonuses that were dependent on furthering the scheme that denied health care. The scandal was exposed in 2014 starting with Phoenix VA.

Since then, VA has been engaged in massive reforms, according to the agency. The slipperly slope here is that VA has asserted massive improvements while refusing to provide the data supporting the improvements.

Basically, they keep telling Congress things are getting better while refusing to prove it.

This past year, VA has been called out for failing to publish health care quality data required by law.

Instead, VA has provided continued promises to restart publishing VA health care quality data – – in an effort to increase President Obama’s mandate for transparency – – while continuing to withhold the data after each deadline passes.

RELATED: VA Withholds Healthcare Quality Data In Violation Of Law

High-Risk VA Hospitals

Hospitals on the “high-risk” watch list are:

  • Wilmington VA
  • Detroit VA
  • Tomah VA
  • Oklahoma City VA

Rep. Jeff Miller

Rep. Jeff Miller (R-FL), Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs, called on VA to release the remainder of the information.

Rep. Miller hopes such a release would combat previous misinformation schemes directed at misleading the public, “in which VA officials often attempt to downplay and sometimes mislead the public about serious problems until it’s too late.”

Rep. Miller’s comments, provided to USA TODAY, continued:

“The secrecy with which VA treats these quality ratings is alarming,” Miller told USA TODAY. “Veterans seeking care at VA hospitals deserve to know exactly what they are walking into. Additionally, Congress, taxpayers and other stakeholders need to have a quick and efficient means of comparing the performance of various VA medical centers in order to identify facilities in need of improvement.”

Let’s hop Rep. Miller, or someone like him, takes over the agency to pursue greater transparency and greater reforms.

Can We Take Action?

What will it take to build a system the pulls timely data from VA?

My hope is to build a legal organization like Judicial Watch, crossed with the Nader Raiders, that focuses only on VA. It will sue VA repeatedly over Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) violations and force its executives to testify on the stand using the Hillary Clinton / State Department email FOIA model.

To give context, Judicial Watch filed a FOIA request seeking emails from the State Department linked to Hillary Clinton. Discrepancies and delays in providing the information resulted in the judge allowing examination of the actual executives linked to the matter.

RELATED: Judicial Watch Asks Court To Unseal Clinton Deposition Video Tapes

As for Nader Raiders, in the 1960’s, Ralph Nader created an organization comprised mainly of law students that investigated consumer rights issues in Washington DC. Numerous reforms resulted from public exposure through the work of the Nader Raiders.

Wouldn’t that be great? Could you imagine a lawyer deposing Sloan Gibson over discrepancies in data about Phoenix VA? That is my long-range plan.

But until that time, and until the veteran population collectively wises up – – realizing we need to self-fund projects like that – – we will instead need to rely on feeble leaks to occasionally get at the truth.

You get what you pay for. Surely the primary Veteran Organizations presently enjoying cozy relationships with VA are and will remain unwilling to take a firmer stand against agency scandals and wrongdoing for fear of losing funding or influence.

So, we veterans will need to do it ourselves.

Find Your Hospital

Take a look at the database at the bottom of the below cited USA TODAY source. Scroll through or search for your facility and report back here with what you find.

See anything noteworthy?

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/internal-report-details-secret-quality-ratings-veterans/94811922/

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Ex va
Ex va

A va employee takes an oath when they are hired. There should be some accountability.

Dennis
Dennis

In order for an oath to hole sway over an individual the individual must posess a sense of honor and personal accountability. This is why VA oaths mean nothing.

Dennis
Dennis

To all VHA employees;

We have revised the star rating system so as to make it more unitorm across VHA facilities.

We will assign stars on an individual basis then collate the results for transparent use for mostly internal VHA (AFGE) employees only. Please feel free to release 5 star data when you find some;

The star rating is based on simple observable criteria;

5 Star = patient walked in to office. Patient is breathing. Patient left visit in substantially the same way. Patients verbalizing by screaming and running at unsafe speeds should be reported to DBC immediately.

4 Star = Patient walked in sick. Patient complained about 3 hour wait in lobby. Patient is assigned Cat One Violent and Disruptive Flag. Patient still sick but now infected with Hep B, HIV, MRSA, or NSU but still breaths as they are assisted by federal law enforcement out the front door. Maggots festering in wounds are allowed if determined they are sterile maggots.

3 Star = Patients condition has worsened since arriving at VHA. VHA medical care passerbys notice the suicide next to the ER is horribly unsanitary. Medical staff often pauses to contemplate patient, showing CARE. Maggots are unsterile. The VA hot body SWAT team arrives too late to salvage kidneys.

2 Star = Same catagory as 3 star, but before entering building patient was not suicidal, and medical staff was seen dumping the body outside ER door because patient was deemed unsuitable for kidney transplant study.

1 Star = Same criteria as five star, but patient does not walk out and instead liquifies in the morgue, violating VHA policies on becoming morbidly gross. Even the maggots throw up. Cause for visit – flu shot. Mixtures of sterile vs. unsterile maggots are noted.

This criteria may be modified as the needs of the facility change as determined by AFGE staff. This information will be made available except to non VA personel. This model will continue in place as part of the C.A.R.E. model of VA health care, and will replace the model implemented by the C.A.U.G.H.T. policies imposed by Congress.

L. Price
L. Price

Sir,
That would receive a standing ovation; if it were not so sickeningly true!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Stars are subtracted if patients worsened condition causes a PR problem, but can be restored if that condition and PR headache is successfully covered up. Stars restored are doubled if the cover-up resulted in cost savings to be used for bonuses.

Paige Kosderka
Paige Kosderka

So real it hurts

james
james

Rigged, How many employees will go to that site and 5 star them. Guess Donald was right Rigged.

Ex va
Ex va

@dennis so the oath congress takes means nothing too.

Dennis
Dennis

I suppose a congressman takes an oath, but the real difference is that even a Congressman would not attempt to classify maggots in a festering wound as either “sterile” or “unsterile”.

They would call them “unborn flies”.

namnibor
namnibor

Dennis- But first, the VA would have to consult The Rand Corp. to be told that we cannot come to a determination nor recommendation because Watson cannot tell us which came first, the maggot or the fly.

Ex va
Ex va

I believe you could be correct on that.

Ex va
Ex va

If a va outpatient mental health psychiatrist manipulates a system where the most severely mentally disabled cannot use the system (identified by stop code/cpt code) can that doctor be held accountable if the data proves negligence because there was no continuity of care. (No visits to monitor wellness and refill meds)?

Dennis
Dennis

If you personally know of such a deed, then I would suggest that the duty falls to you to report this and document it. Brother, we cannot wait for others to help. I believe all vets; man and woman, wounded or well, black, white, or green, are part of our own brotherhood, one in which OUR own oath leads to bloodshed – our own, or our enemies. The oath of a warrior is not as easily tossed aside as the oath I hear tell of taken by VA folks. The oath of a warrior is one of life and death. The oath of a Marine is “Death Before Dishonor”.

No man or woman is responsible for another, but a brother or sister wounded in ANY foxhole just does NOT get left behind without dishonoring the warriors oath. If that foxhole is a hospital bed or a disease that takes the mind it makes no difference. We can’t save each other but we can vow that our vet brothers do not get left behind anywhere they have need.

Maybe the question you are asking isn’t what you want to know? Do you really want to know if it is a betrayal of a friendship or co-workers to rat them out for doing wrong? Is it a betrayal of the union brotherhood to turn them over to authorities?

I would present such a hypothetical question this way; “To which brotherhood do you owe your allegiance?” If there are indeed two “correct” but opposite choices in America then maybe you have stumbled onto one. Do you betray an oath of secrecy and your allegiance to a labor union, or do you betray a veteran and leave him behind?

Tough choice. You might have knowledge of codes and procedures that when misused leave vets behind. Your simple question betrays unique knowledge and you could indeed be the one person who helps drain this swamp more than others.

Let me suggest that leaving behind co-workers and union brotherhood by bettraying that brotherhood to authorities will result in hate and resentment. They will retaliate against the “traitor scab” and you will be labelled a “scab”. On the flip side, leaving behind a brother vet leaves behind you hopelessness and despair and I am not sure what the label is for that? VA might give that vet 2 stars.

Make a choice and live with it. If you know these codes then you know how to gather information that can help either of the two brotherhoods. One wins. One loses.

Ex va
Ex va

@ Dennis, i reported it because it cost Veterans lives. Could not, not do it. You have some idea how deep this is because of your bad experiences. I am a Veteran too and could not be a part of what occurs in some clinics. You do the right things and are harassed, threatened and hated beyond belief. It didn’t make much of any difference, they just transfer so they can continue on. The number of individuals it takes to pull off the waitlists is not a few but many and they are protected. Told vaoig, mcm directors, chiefs, showed evidence, they still came after me. Truth did not matter or how much damage their actions did to others. They are determine to stay on their courses of actions. The quagmire and stench is real. The same stories i read, i have heard many times and from different areas in this nation. They are a valid. I haven’t given up, i have wanted to. You guys give me some hope and if i can help anyone of you i will. I have tried to approach this problem from many angles, it still remains.

Ex va
Ex va

@ Dennis do you have insomnia?

Dennis
Dennis

I have severe PTSD as a result of military service, but it comes with symetrical axonal sensorimotor polynueropathy with severe restless leg syndrome.

This means that I wake up from nightmares a lot, but the “severe restless leg” syndrome (not recognzed by my VA doc but diagnosed by the top nuerosurgeon in Oregon) is the one that keeps me awake, especially around 2am. In the 1600s doctors (other than VA docs today) formaly recognized RLS but named it “Nightwalker Syndrome”. In my case the severity is rare insofar as a “severe” case is one that presents three times a week at least. My symptoms, untreated, do not relent.

Without treatment, when I attempted to sit still for more than about 3 minutes, shooting stabbing, crawling pain would begin to shoot up my legs and grow in intensity making me jump and twitch. The only relief without medicine is to begin walking. Before treatment I walked endlessly and my i
pad GPS noted between 15 and 25 miles per day before I got proper treatment outside VA.

Insomnia is a bit different. RLS coupled with neuropathy is extraordinarily painful. The Nightwalker Society members unanimously select morphine to try to curb it. The VA had me on 180 mg per day morphine, and 40 mg per day hydrocodone until I got flagged by DBC.

The real blessing of being flagged was it forced me off morphine which would never have happened by own choice. Fate stepped in and at extactly the same time as the VA terminated pain management; Oregon passed better marijuanna laws that allowed me to obtain nearly pure THC extracts from marijuanna, versus smoking dried leaf. I learned to refine the extract further to remove respiratory irritants and use a vaporizor several times a day. I now live a good life and get housework done and take walks (on crutches) every day. THC does not numb the pain per se, but really kind of makes it just not matter for awhile. Severe PTSD symptoms are also now managed with it and do a MUCH better job than the pharmacy drugs the VA prescribed. It is a horrifically expensive drug to obtain/refine to the purity necessary but I do not want to live again a life where I attempt to sleep with one eye open while I am walking – at that point of fatigue death seems a better option.

On VA morphine, I lived fat, dumb, and happy on my couch while my dogs shit on the carpet and life slipped away. Purified THC extract allows me comfort but without becoming couch locked for life, and my floors are spottless now. I laugh again and started writing again. I lived despite VA treatment.

namnibor
namnibor

Ditto- Added to all the other chronic health crap and PTSD, since I no longer am on massive pain management and even the medical system in private sector has chased me away from Psych care because like the VA, they have ripped meds out from under that substantially helped since 1995, because of prescription drug abuse amongst the IV drug abusers, instead of dealing with the problem directly it’s so much easier to remove patients from meds that stabilized to a degree, wanting to continue throwing darts for big pharma at our expense….I said no more.
That’s when the pain from my polyneuropathy and severe leg cramps crept in and torture me daily. Medical cannabis indeed works wonders and my state has 2 years to get it up and running but it’s going to be the more restrictive in the nation so if this is a crappy set-up I am moving to another state in two years so I can at least live with some sort of quality of life.

Dennis
Dennis

namnibor,

The huge problem with “medical marijuanna” is that for severe conditions dosage is very hard to increase just by smoking more. In particular, an organic compound known as “pinene” is present in high qty in marijuanna and extract. It is the ingredient in turpentine and smells like pine trees.

I remove the pinene from extracts of marijuanna through a process I have documented extensively in video and posted on Vimeo site. Without this kind of refinement it was simply impossible to dose strongly enough for the symptoms. The most potent extracts in Oregon medical/recreational dispensaries now test around 70-82% THC.

As extremely potent as that is, it still means that 20% is “something else”. My data and extensive lab testing at home shows at least 12% of extracts are alpha-pinene. Look up the MSDS on Alpha-Pinene and you will see why I needed to remove it. Extracts are not burned, they are “vaporized” into an aerosol and inhaled – no flame involved. Without burning the extracts to inhale them, the volitile organic compounds (VOCs) like pinene get inhaled right along with the thc. result = hack, cough, choke, hack, hack, cough, et al. lolz. Pure THC tastes slightly sweet and a chalky kind of flavor and inhales velvet smooth. Relief from this is delayed about 6 minutes and there is NO perception of any kind of high with pure until after that.

Smoking a joint combusts the pinene which is why even really “skunky” marijuanna can be smoked – most of the mildly-toxic pinene gets burned away. THC does not burn. It boils and evaporates. The “rush” you get from inhaling really stinky marijuanna is the same rush felt from huffing glue (ethyl acetate as a solvent in glue). The rush is from the VOCs you burn and inhale and the burning sensation in the throat is only from the VOCs. Not THC.

When I informed VHA accurately the dosages of THC I was inhaling along with precise dosing measurments by weight, and precise timings of dosage frequency, the response by my psychiatrist at the time was to enter a brand new diagnosis – THC addiction. Oregon has recognized the effecacy of marijuanna for PTSD by waiving all but $20 of the fee for the medical card ($200 normal fee).I asked my VA shrink why is that now a diagnosis when it is prescribed by a physician in Oregon, yet “morphine addiction” is not diagnosed when the VA was prescribing life shortening doses of opiates for a very long time?

In short I asked him why the VA put THC use on my “Problem List” when medical science and my own experience show it to be a “SOLUTION” instead?

The shrink thought about it for a moment and said, “Good point.”

The only two words I ever heard from the mouth of a VA doctor that made sense; the VA can only see problems when presented with a solution – and then they try to treat the “solution”. The VA is incapable of sanity, and has diagnosed me with a “disease” that my non VA doctors call Treatment”.

Ex va
Ex va

@ Dennis, sorry of your suffering and i am glad you are doing better.

Bill
Bill

I do. Nightmared / hard dreams…not to bad though I got 415 hours last night…kinda sucks but kinda used to it

namnibor
namnibor

Well, I noticed the VA is not consistent in publishing the second quarter of 2016. Some a star rating is posted and some not, even when the first column has a 5 or whatever ‘star rating’.

This type of internal rating is worthless coming from an agency that rewards these monsters with Performance Bonuses even when they contribute to killing Veterans or outright fraud. It’s the equiv. of the way things are today with Public School Systems and The No Child Left Behind Act where if a school district reports lower test score data it will affect their funding and as we found out with a MASSIVE scandal here in Columbus OH Franklin County School System over last few years, the school board members were falsifying test score data in order to continue on the money train while the graduating students have no idea that they are poorly prepared for college, so poorly prepared the colleges at Freshman level are having to dumb it down, meaning the snowball of disinformation continues to affect society at large by stupefying our nation because of basic human greed.
As goes the VA with the major difference in that the VA chooses to redefine anything and everything that does not line-up with the allegory they wish to paint in that, “The VA is getting much better”, and our current President displayed this snowball of stupefying information when POTUS held his only Veteran Town Hall recently in all of his 8 years and he repeated Shulkin and Friend’s mantra that “The scandals have been cleaned-up at the VA” (paraphrased)…..again, repainting or redefining the dialogue….ALL LIES.

As long as the VA is continued to be allowed to completely police itself all this will continue because of the Veteran Cookie Jar, not because they “care” about our safety. No, they only publically “care” when they get caught. This is not sustainable. Drain the freaking swamp and also get rid of VA Public Relations, which serves to serve the VA Steaming Poo (VASP) with a cherry on top after the VASP has been sanitized, just like these reports.
Great article today, Benjamin. Stars or Trix are for kids, not rabbits.

namnibor
namnibor

“VASP”– VA Steaming Poo

Robert
Robert

And my grandsons nearly dropped out of high school in spite of outstanding grades due to losing interest as teachers efforts were completely used up trying to get through to students that speak 30 some languages at home. Not saying all immigrants are bad, just some of them. But all contribute to having our education system at a near standstill in many areas, yes due to these foreigners. I grew up in silicon valley & loved it as a young person & I now as an adult moved my family to Texas due to the massive amounts of rude, in your face, disrespectful, most wanting to change the USA into what they moved away from. And now I am starting to see the same thing in certain areas of Texas. Just look at Houston. Some classes in the school system speak 30 some languages at home. Our children are not benefiting from taxpayer money spent in our school system as they should. Why do we born & raised citizens put up with it. I myself had a forefather fight with George Washington & it does not mean crap other than possibly an asterisk to make a footnote sometime !!!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

My ‘small VHA clinic’ wasn’t on the “U.S.A. Today” list. The closest one I go to, for “speciality” (eye clinic or others) is Orlando, FL.
The report has it at a -2- for 2015, and a “*” for 2016!

I can see, after reading the article, how “Shitty Shulkin” would not want this “VHA appraisal” being made public.
I’ve always had the notion, -IF- something is kept in secret, it usually means it’s BAD NEWS!
This ‘report’ is definitely bad news for VHA! No wonder it was kept from Congress and the people!
Now that It’s out, what will Congress do about it? Reps. like Trey Gowdy and Chaffetz have said numerous times. There’s NOTHING they can do. Except maybe to hold McDuck, Shulkin and others “in contempt of Congress” for failing to follow the law!” What good will that do for veterans, spouses of veterans or anyone else at this point?
As we’ve all said, “SHUT IT DOWN!”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

P.S.
I read yesterday where the committees are in session. They are wanting
“…answers on the Tomah VA…” over three issues. I put the “WisconsinWatchdog” article on yesterday. So everyone could see it.
Because the Committees are questioning VA upper management, I wonder -WHEN- it will be on Utube!?
Might be interesting to watch!?

91Veteran
91Veteran

Speaking of eyesight, did you read Shulkins comments in the linked article? How he doesn’t care if a veteran gets eyeglasses, but he does care if a veteran who needs urgent care but doesn’t get it? He said the veteran not getting glasses is just poor customer service.
What an attitude to have huh?

So a veteran that might be blind without eyeglasses waiting weeks for new glasses is no big deal?
It makes me wonder how many other things like that Shulkin thinks is no big deal, poor customer service if the veteran waits weeks.

namnibor
namnibor

Let me add that it’s my belief that the *only* VA Public Relations that should function at the VA should come DIRECTLY and PUBLICALLY from THE VA Secretary’s face and mouth….for transparency and accountability reasons, saving the taxpayers millions if not billions that the current VA Public Relations consumes to spin and serve the VA Steaming Poo, VASP.
VA is most secretive agency by an award even, so I tend to view ANY released data from the VA with a mouthful of salt and a roll of toilet paper because it always has the effect of continued chronic diarrhea.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@namnibor, maybe the VA would be a great recipient of the “Fickled Finger of Fate Award” and possibly “5 Pinocchio’s”! They definitely deserve it. All of those asswipes also deserve the “Sock It To Me Award”! Nixon received it. Why shouldn’t McDuck, Shulkin and Gibson get one each!
As far as McDuck coming out and saying anything, that would be more of a “Fractured Fairy Tale”. If he were to speak, it would be lies. Just as Obama has been lying for eight years!
Remember when Obama said he
“…learned…” of Hillary’s ’email scandal’ the same time as everyone else!? Through the news medias! Big freaking lie. By our (alleged) Commander in Chief!
“Drain the fuckin’ swamp” and toss them in prison!

namnibor
namnibor

I have one “Fickled Finger of Fate” award displayed for the VA and it is centered on each hand as a middle finger. 🙂

GH
GH

After 21 years of cover-up and lawsuit avoidance, I am just finding there may be medical debris left in my body tearing up my insides. No wonder I could not get an MRI for 21 years.

namnibor
namnibor

Talk about repainting the allegory…

I just heard on national news this morning them talking about this USA Today Report in Benjamin’s article and guess what? The NEW allegory is calling it, “The VA Wait List Scandal”….without…even mentioning along with that sentence, …”Where Veteran dies or will killed by said wait list scandal”.

The bastards are removing the very Veterans affected from the allegory. Sanitizing scrubbers in place on the rear anterior of the VA Meat Grinder’s anal trumpet. Bastards. (two different news channels have done this) That is what the American Public consumes for news usually on large part…so the VA Public Relations is also very much part of this problem of clouded transparency.

Richard Levine
Richard Levine

First I must say that health care in the US is one step above a witchdoctor no matter where obtained. We pay the most, and get substandard care. This is due to the assembly line process and greed. The system is set up to keep people sick and need care forever. I met a doctor who dropped out because she could not work under the premise of keeping sick.

As concerns the VA. I go to the Hudson Valley system which has a rating of 5. I would give it a 3 at best. My previous GP there asked why I am coming there if I don’t take most of their recommendations. I said I took at least one, which was to supplement my vitamin D intake. Statins or low-dose aspirins for high cholesterol was not accepted by me as I did not believe in this cholesterol scam. Recent research shows the danger of statins/aspirin. I know too much about medicine to accept assembly line/one-sized fits all medicine as practiced in the US.

The quality of the professional med personnel also is not good, and I always research what they tell me if I don’t already know what they are advising. I think it is important that all veterans research their condition so that they can not blindly accept anything the doctor says. Anyhow the VA credo is that the veteran participates in their medical conditions. I had a GP who did not or would not discuss supplements or diet. She said that she knew nothing about it. How disgraceful! I also had been to the Bronx VA several times regarding cataracts. I believe that these doctors have not yet received board certification and do not know what they are talking about. I had to repeat to one of the eye doctors several times that cataract surgery was contraindicated for me because of a long-standing eye problem until the doctor finally repeated this like it was her idea. Essentially, I believe the end result of doing the surgery would have been complete blindness. The VA optometrist keeps trying to frighten me into doing the surgery saying that it will only get worse so he won’t change my glasses prescription. This continues for years. I don’t know if a different prescription will help me.

I also find the VA significantly delinquent in providing quality dental care, even for the rare veterans who qualifies for it. Also, emergency care is quite limited. If I had a heart attack it is probably best for me to drop dead. Since I also have medicare part A, the VA would not cover ambulance or emergency care. Again, this is doled out in extremely rare instances only if the veteran is below the poverty line. Dental and complete emergency care should be allowed at private hospitals. I live about 35 miles from the Montrose Hospital which is in my system. As a single person living along, I could not drag my dying body up there to receive substandard emergency care.

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

Ben, a while back I told your blog here that the Wilmington VA is corrupt. The exposed the public and veterans to Legionella. Senator Carper, Coons and Carney knew all along about the issues there. Explicitly wait time issues and the OIG trying to get me prosecuted after I e,posed their nasty asses. Call Carpers office, I bet he shit his pants. I have plenty of documents that prove his office knew and that the Director flagged my Veteran record. A psychologist wrote in my record and never even saw him.I am sending some things to Judicial Watch and Fact hoping they would file an ethics complaint against the 3 bafoons of Delaware for misleading the public.

Dennis
Dennis

@CorpsmanUp!
On the VA website you can learn which state the doctors involved are licensed in. In each State there is a website that will allow you to file your comments and proof directly with EACH of the doctors involved, and with the boards of EACH licensed professional that was aware of the practice. VA cannot protect nor justify a medical professional ignoring the ethics upheld by their own licensing boards.

Send clear proof. They will never respond to you directly. You will know you have gotten one of the buttt hurt cupcakes when you get another flag placed on your record, and be aware that you will be black listed and from then on appointments somehow just never work out at the last minute, but if you want to step up and grab the bull by the ass then go to Kinkos and make a packet of your proof and have them copy it into a copy for every single professional involved. I even sent my packet(s) to State Police and the press. The press gobbled it up and print it out publicly real pretty for all of the doctors neighbors to read.

lolz – go get the rat bastards one rat at a time, just remember –
a man that has grabbed onto a bull’s tail and hung onto it for any length of time knows at least two or three things more than the man who hasn’t…

namnibor
namnibor

To the VA Rat Bastards, a daily lyric befitting of their veiled transparency from Alan Parsons Project, “Eye In The Sky”: Words are a very powerful thing and the VA’s withholding of such makes me believe they think we can read their minds:

“Eye In The Sky”

“Don’t think sorry’s easily said
Don’t try turning tables instead
You’ve taken lots of chances before
But I ain’t gonna give any more
Don’t ask me
That’s how it goes
‘Cause part of me knows what you’re thinking…
Don’t say words you’re gonna regret
Don’t let the fire rush to your head
I’ve heard the accusation before
And I ain’t gonna take any more
Believe me
The sun in your eyes
Made some of the lies worth believing

[CHORUS]
I am the eye in the sky
Looking at you
I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules
Dealing with fools
I can cheat you blind
And I don’t need to see any more
To know that I can read your mind, I can read your mind

Don’t leave false illusions behind
Don’t cry ’cause I ain’t changing my mind
So find another fool like before
‘Cause I ain’t gonna live anymore believing
Some of the lies while all of the signs are deceiving

[CHORUS] “

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

As Namnibor points out the trust level of any Sanitized fecal matter coming out of the VA should be rated at Zero on a one-to-five-star rating system.

Given this presentation is from one of the same news networks that brought us the WMDs in Iraq and Trump can never win messages. The article sadly lacks any creditability especially when it fails to list how the facilities were awarded their stars or lack thereof. Given this unqualified unsupported internal document is being leaked by none other than David Shulkin, undersecretary of Health for the Department of Veterans Affairs. As Ben states in his article “This past year, VA has been called out for failing to publish health care quality data required by law.”.

So instead they act as though public pressure is forcing them to release this bogus set of stats put out by the VA.

Personally, I think that any information that is released by the Veterans Administration hold the same value of as the fecal matter removed via Colonic Irrigation at Abundant Health, 1278 Indiana St Unit 200, San Francisco, CA 94107; phone (415) 573-6579. Dr. Thomas Lee Schiller’s business out in California.

The office he maintains to keep his Doctors license in California. Here on this site he is better known as the subject of Ben’s article “VA Dentist ‘Purposeful’ Acts Put 592 Vets At Risk For HIV, Hepatitis”, or DDS Thomas Lee Schiller. Also, known as Dr. Thomas David Schiller at VAMC Fayetteville in Arkansas, and at VAMC Muskogee in Oklahoma.

He is just one of those putrefied pieces of fecal matter that has been clinging to the insides of the VA for many years.

For any attorney who is currently looking for his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow contact:

CPA Frank R. Peck
Republic Bank
401 W. MAIN SUITE 400
NORMAN   OK   73069

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Oh and for the record, all of Schiller’s licenses are based on his providing false information to obtain them.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Seymore,
Didn’t Schiller quit a few days ago, to keep from being prosecuted?
Do you think he’ll transfer to another VHA? If so, how will we know where (until it’s too late)?
Since Schiller provided false information, can’t he be held accountable in those states?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Not sure Elf, But I do know that his license in Arizona near the VAMC Phoenix states that providing false information is a felony and can result in a prison term of 30 years. Not sure of how many years he could get for providing the false information in Utah but I am sure it is similar.

“http://ls.tsbde.texas.gov/dts-zoom.php?id=45231”

“https://secure.utah.gov/llv/search/detail.html?license_id=54263”

“https://azbodprod.glsuite.us/GLSuiteWeb/Clients/AZBOD/public/WebVerificationProfileDetailsPRO.aspx?EntityID=1405681&LicenseID=7821&LicType=1872”

“http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075”

“https://www.armedicalboard.org/public/verify/results.aspx?strPHIDNO=ASMB21145”

There are more but not all will be able to link.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Elf as for his pooping back up in the VA whack a mole system of no-accountability it seems very likely based on his recent history.

Using the Wayback Machine resource at the internet archives we can follow his tracks via his Oklahoma license that lead to him being at Tomah.

1.) Schiller’s Oklahoma License that was updated July 26, 2013 shows Schiller maintaining an office located on the campus at St. Francis Hospital – Broken Arrow. It also shows that he has hospital privileges at several other locations and accepts a broad range of insurances. This is while he is also working at the VAMC Muskogee in Oklahoma.

“https://web.archive.org/web/20130726083421/http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075”

2.) An up date to his Oklahoma license on November 22, 2013 shows that Schiller lost privileges at all hospitals except the one where his office is located. It also shows that he lost his office on the campus of that hospital.

“https://web.archive.org/web/20131122225056/http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075″

3.) Then after he was hired by the VA as a Dentist in Tomah during October 2015 his Oklahoma License was updated on 11/2/2015 ” to what it is now. Stating that he is working for the VA but not at Tomah instead they show him working at
Veterans Health Care System of the Ozarks in Fayetteville AR

Even thought he is listed as working at the VA in Arkansas on the license he was hired as a Dentist in Tomah. The VA helped hide his location at Tomah.

“http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075”

Also note the VA even took the step of listing him as employed at the VAMC in Arkansas.

“http://www.va.gov/providerinfo/includes/detail_iframe.asp?sitenameOD=FAYETTEVILLEAR&providerid=9994”

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I would like to point out that when Ben posted his article titled “VA Dentist ‘Purposeful’ Acts Put 592 Vets At Risk For HIV, Hepatitis” I checked the dental employees for Tomah and only two were listed and Shiller was not listed.

Then after his name was posted by another poster I began looking into him and made a post in the comment section for Ben’s article and that he had a history with the VA. After I posted that the listing showing him employed at the VAMC in Arkansas was removed during the late night Friday or early morning Saturday.

But after another post stating:

“Also I will be posting the information I found on Thomas Schiller later today early evening. When I noticed the VA has been deleting more records of Thomas Schiller employment at other VAMCs after I posted the post above yours. They were busy even on a Saturday trying to hide the information.

For the person that is deleting the records thank you. I did make Xps copies of all the records and will be emailing them to Ben and a number of friendly news outlets. When people get caught white washing things it really makes it look very bad for VA.”

The posting for his employment at the VAMC in Arkansas was restored with in hours after that post.

Also a bad review from DocSpot rating system about what happed to force the move of Schiller out of Oklahoma.

The review was posted by Concerned Sister on 3/27/2015 It reads as follows:

“This Doctor did an elective procedure on my sister called an ERCP. She walked in for the procedure in a hospital that he wasn’t affiliated with instead of the hospital he used. Sources say he scheduled the procedure at a hospital that didn’t know him because he did a procedure he shouldn’t have done. She ended up in the hospital for 39 days and fighting for her life still today. She is loosing her kidney and may have to have her pancreas removed. The place he is affiliated with has asked him to leave and now he works for the VA. If anybody can read this please think twice before having this doctor operate on you.”

“http://www.wellness.com/reviews/2414061/thomas-schiller-md-gastroenterology-associates-gastroenterologist”

namnibor
namnibor

🙂 🙂 Nice, Seymore Klearly. Nice. So that VA Dentist gets Vets coming and going at all ends. Nice. 🙂

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

We know the guy had a hygiene problem with his tools but just the thought of where his fingers have been and then to go into someone’s mouth. Chilling.

The only procedure that is offered at that place in San fran is Colonic Irrigation.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s an interesting article out today, 8 Dec. 2016, from; “The Horn News”, titled;

“Revealed! Leftists plotting Army-Navy game attack”

Seems around 1,000 left-wing radical butthurt Liberals, who don’t agree with the election results, are going to disrupt the “117th face-off” football game.
This article explains “HOW” they plan to pull it off.
This isn’t the first time this “radical group” has disrupted a game.
I don’t believe they’ll be too successful this Saturday, though. Because, many veterans, both active and retired, attend. I believe this time, they might want to stay home.
There’s going to be some hell to pay, if these butthurt asswipes try anything stupid!!!!!!!!

namnibor
namnibor

@crazy elf- All those butthurt snowflakes will do is sit down for the National Anthem and burn a few flags, so I have an idea in which we should have drones drop salvos of sepsis bacterial infected maggots on the maggots sitting on the ground or burning flags and if I am correct, a great majority of them are vegan so they will naturally eat those maggots. Set and forget. Shamwow!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor, go to the “Horn” news article. There’s a video showing how disruptive these little nutty snowflakes can truly be. Plus, what if BLM decides to be a part of it!? We all know just how nutty those pussies are!
They’re wanting to “shut down” the game. A 1,000 pussies ain’t many compared to the thousands who’ll be attending. Yet, that many little asswipes can/may cause a problem. In the article, it’s explained how they want to get past the “gate law enforcement”!
Let’s hope the local law enforcement agencies are equipped to handle the situation before it gets out of hand.

Don Karg
Don Karg

12/08/2016

Dear Benjamin Krause,

I cannot wait to read what Dennis Wagner has in store for me at the Arizona Republic/USA Today/Karl Icahn’s “newspaper”—about how all the Tax dollars pumped into the Arizona VA Hospitals resulted in a 1 rating, after three (3) years of Congressional Hearings, Senate Hearings, Presidential Speeches, Massive amounts of news coverage, Charities and Veterans Organization Protesting, Individual protests, and even some Suppliers Protesting.

What is going on in the “Best Managed City in America?”

500,000 Veterans waiting for service
½ are for little/non urgent needs [that is what the VA is saying].

As Hundreds die from Wanton Negligence all around America everyday—USA Today reports on “Star Ratings that have been suppressed”—without releasing the ratings of each hospital [except 3] it is still a bullshit piece of Journalism.

This is again mis-directions and it this has done on purpose.

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The Report looks pretty good on the surface—about Denver

Timeliness Data?
First time this writer has seen this in three years.
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Table 4 tells us that these events/waitlist scandal were extremely bad in 2012 and 2013 not May of 2014—-this is a major disclosure here, page 38 of the Denver Report 09/21/2016.

So it took two (2) years for Congress/Management to acknowledge the problem and to release it to the American Public—unacceptable!

Now it is 6 years and we are still getting mis-direction from our “media.”

Christmas is just around the corner—-the gifts will be coming.

You can bet that there is going to be a Christmas surprise.

Sincerely,

Don Karg
Told Mathew Kittle to get a hold of you—he had a good article on Tomah Wisconsin yesterday

james
james

Criminals, Don’t or know that if they tell the truth, that means a guilty verdict if they spill the beans. The VA is getting desperate and will do everything they can not to provide stats because they know it not good. And yes any employee denying to provide requested information as required should be grounds for termination.

Lie, Lie Die they just don’t care and will continue not to care who they hurt as long as they have a job and a yearly Bonus

mary
mary

To the author of article,,”Ben,” unless there is a Tomah Virginia,,,i believe the Tomah there referring to is Tomah Veterans Adminstration,,,,in Wisconsin,,,just fyi,,,maryw

Genius H Kennard
Genius H Kennard

Ben now we are or seem to be on the same page about Judicial Watch and other things but here’s my idea to

any and all Veterans: we need someone to start a 24 hour Veterans news type of agency where Vets could tell

their true life Military stories live on streaming “adult language” rated video with the power to cut off

any emotional or belligerent Vet who should understand to just stick with the facts of their story where they

could choose to talk for 1, 3 or 5 minutes only.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf, Namnibor, 91Veteran, Don and all else

I added on to my answer to Elf’s question about whether Schiller will be popping back up within the VA system. Hope you don’t miss it confirm the info provided and let me know your thoughts.

Thank You

Dennis
Dennis

Seymore,

You are impressive and truly an example to follow. Are hou sure your name isn’t “Hound Dog”? because you have a gift being anoe to follow the scent trail. Keep up the great work.

namnibor
namnibor

Definitely a very good ‘Hound Dog’ and would even freely nominate you to President Elect Trump to consider for taking over the VAOIG. Yep, Seymore Klearly is that good and formidably thorough.
Seriously, we need that kind of fervor to turn the tide.

“greatagain.gov”

namnibor
namnibor

You know Dr. Schiller’s last name and owning/operating an Industrial Colon Wash Clinic in San Fran and as a VA Demented Dentist, *all* that’s missing with Schiller’s namesake is a line across the two ‘L’s to become befitting of “Schitter”. Yeah, dark humor but that’s me. It’s snowing here and I love Winter.

Dr. SCHITTER owning a Colon Wash & a VA Demented Dentist–you cannot make this crap up. 🙂

Whack-a-mole Schitter? Yeah, he will be a nasty floater requiring several flushes when swamp is drained. Why do I think this? Well, there’s bound to be potentially wrongly handled Colon Cleansing equipment in that facility if he is lackadaisical at best as a VA Dentist. More to come folks.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Some interesting stuff there, but I am wondering what it means. I found similar stuff when I first searched on his name…that there seemed to be several Tom Schiller’s. Is it possible there is more than one Tom L. Schiller? I see in the links you provide, there are some with information on a Tom L. and some on a Tom D. Schiller.
What I also find interesting is the mix of information, like on the Texas site where his license information shows he is in Tomah. Not a big deal depending on when information was updated, but it should make one wonder, which license was he operating under?
Then you get into the date issues. Texas shows he graduated in 1989, licensed in 1996, and nitrous certification in 2012. Slow learner? The Utah site shows he was licensed there in 1991 with a Anesthesia Class I Permit. Arizona shows he was licensed there in 1994. WTF really? Did he bounce around that much?
Now, the license information for OK shows a Tom D. license was issued in 1983 for Gastro. The graduation date for that license shows he graduated in 1978, so it’s not like a father/son issue. And why does that page show it was updated Dec. 8th, 2016, and the next update is scheduled for Dec. 9th, 2016 at 2:50am. The AR license page doesn’t show much other than an issuance date of 1981, but that was for Tom D., and matches closer to the dates for the other Tom D. information on the OK site.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey 91Veteran,

Where you able to follow the information presented in the following from the post above?

“Using the Wayback Machine resource at the internet archives we can follow his tracks via his Oklahoma license that lead to him being at Tomah.

1.) Schiller’s Oklahoma License that was updated July 26, 2013 shows Schiller maintaining an office located on the campus at St. Francis Hospital – Broken Arrow. It also shows that he has hospital privileges at several other locations and accepts a broad range of insurances. This is while he is also working at the VAMC Muskogee in Oklahoma.

“https://web.archive.org/web/20130726083421/http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075”

2.) An up date to his Oklahoma license on November 22, 2013 shows that Schiller lost privileges at all hospitals except the one where his office is located. It also shows that he lost his office on the campus of that hospital.

“https://web.archive.org/web/20131122225056/http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075″

3.) Then after he was hired by the VA as a Dentist in Tomah during October 2015 his Oklahoma License was updated on 11/2/2015 ” to what it is now. Stating that he is working for the VA but not at Tomah instead they show him working at
Veterans Health Care System of the Ozarks in Fayetteville AR

Even thought he is listed as working at the VA in Arkansas on the license he was hired as a Dentist in Tomah. The VA helped hide his location at Tomah.

“http://www.okmedicalboard.org/licensee/MD/14075”

Also note the VA even took the step of listing him as employed at the VAMC in Arkansas.

“http://www.va.gov/providerinfo/includes/detail_iframe.asp?sitenameOD=FAYETTEVILLEAR&providerid=9994””

91Veteran
91Veteran

I did see that. If all of the information is tied to the one QUACK dentist, then the VAs credentialing and background checking process is completely broken.
I would like to hear your thoughts on those links to see what I may have missed.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Ben, you are doing great. There’s no doubt that the VA lies and lies, about everything. For some reason, they even lie when they may be right. ( although I don’t know of any circumstances that support them being right). This 1_5 rating…? As long as the VA is supplying the information, I have a tough time believing. Like a few Veterans said, time and again, there is going to be some changes. Maybe. Perhaps, as long as each VA has to give itself a rating, maybe they could explain the ratings…Like; why they are a 1, or a 5. My wait times have never been less than 30 days. Lies and lies.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Seymore,
I wish I had your knowledge of how to look things up on the net.
Your expertise is invaluable.
How about sending everything you’ve learned about Schiller, and others, onto Ben.
Then;
Ben, is there anyway you can get the information off to the Congressional Committee for Veterans Affairs? I do believe they need to know about what Seymore has found. If they don’t know already.
I believe the committee is in session now.

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Using the C.A.U.G.H.T. ratings so eloquently provided by Dennis, and the database – – – Honolulu is a two star facility.

C.A.U.G.H.T. Rating: 2 Star = Same catagory as 3 star, but before entering building patient was not suicidal, and medical staff was seen dumping the body outside ER door because patient was deemed unsuitable for kidney transplant study.

I would laugh if I did not know this to be 95% accurate. But that is only the “Top of the Iceberg” as to what is wrong with the VA System in the Pacific Islands.

The Compensation and Benefits section would honestly rate a negative 5 stars.

namnibor
namnibor

Off Topic: We just lost today, a great Marine pilot, astronaut, educator & Statesman, John Glenn. They do not make very many like him and a great Ohioan.

namnibor
namnibor

FYI- John Glenn was being taken care of medically by The Ohio State Wexner Medical Center’s James Cancer Hosp….not the VA. He had much better medical coverage and options than to be using VAMC, as he was very sick for a while.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor, no one in the “upper crust” of our country is using the VHA for their healthcare. Their healthcare is so far more advanced than anything the ‘Average American’ has.
We, in the lower economic bracket, have had to deal with what we can get. Which is as you’ve so eloquently phrased many times – “Witchdoctor Medicine”! (paraphrasing brother)!

I’m also a fan of Col. Glenn. He was a true “Pioneer of Space Travel and Exploration!”

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

One of the men who inspired me to become a Marine. I remember watching his launch for America’s first manned orbital spaceflight on a B/W television.

Semper Fi, Major Glenn. Your examples of leadership helped a lot of troubled youth “Straighten Up and Fly Right”.

Dennis
Dennis

CAVU John.