Outgoing Sec VA Allocates Billions To Camp Lejeune Veterans

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Camp Lejeune

On Friday, outgoing Sec VA Robert McDonald approved massive payouts for an estimated 900,000 veterans exposed to toxic Camp Lejeune water.

The plan is estimated to cost $2.2 billion over the next five years to finally compensate veterans exposed for at least 30 cumulative days to toxic water at the Marine base in North Carolina. Payments are set to start in March for qualifying veterans.

The decision was reached following years of research and haggling between veterans, Veteran Service Organizations, and internal stakeholders within the federal government.

Secretary McDonald concluded there was “sufficient scientific and medical evidence” to established a connection.

That connection was between exposures to the contaminated water and eight medical conditions believed to be linked to the exposures, from August 1, 1953, to December 31, 1987.

Camp Lejeune Presumptives

The conditions covered for qualifying veterans are:

  • adult leukemia,
  • aplastic anemia,
  • bladder cancer,
  • kidney cancer,
  • liver cancer,
  • multiple myeloma,
  • non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and
  • Parkinson’s disease.

Camp Lejeune Presumptive Background

Veterans groups have prosecuted the matter for years once word got out that fuel tanks and other toxins leaked into the drinking water for Camp Lejeune soldiers and family members. Tests confirmed that the drinking water there was unsafe for drinking.

In 2012, Congress passed a bill signed by the president to provide free medical care to veterans and family members affected by the toxic water. However, veterans and survivors were not automatically provided disability compensation or survivor compensation benefits.

In 2015, VA began rewriting its regulations in support of presumptive service connection for disability benefits for veterans who could show they were present at Camp Lejeune during the required period of time for at least 30 days.

The presumption creates an easier path for service connection for disability compensation. Now, veterans can bypass the typical requirement for a nexus letter from a medical examiner showing that a connection may exist between the exposure and a veteran’s present condition.

The standard is generally that the president disabling condition is at least as likely as not linked to the in-service condition, injury or exposure.

Before Friday, VA agreed to provide presumptive decisions for 15 conditions that allowed affected veterans to secure health care benefits.

Now, veterans with any of the 8 conditions cited above will also be eligible for compensation pay to offset the impact toxic exposures had on their earning capacity after military service.

Around 1,400 disability compensation claims are pending related to Camp Lejeune exposures that will be reviewed to determine if the new policy will allow swift adjudication of claims.

This decision has been a long time coming for many veterans who died while waiting for benefits. And for those still with us, the benefits allocated starting in March will provide much needed relief.

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Ex va
Ex va

This is great news for Veterans, again why does this take so long for benefits and why did they let this problem continue when they had knowledge of a problem? From 1953 to 1987 and the life threatening diseases resulting from this exposure.
If asked no one would want to be exposed to poisons to cause deadly, suffering diseases. All the recruits going thru boot camp, disgusting to deliberately expose them to this. That is inexcusable.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Why does it take so long? It takes so long for at least 3 reasons. 1. VA researchers that look on issues like this as a kind program where they can work researching the issue for years.
2. Senior policy makers in the VA ignoring independent evidence and with no clinical experience whatsoever declaring no harm from the exposure. Agent Orange, DU, Burn Pits, etc., come to mind.
3. The impact to the VAs budget. This is why McDonald is doing this now on his way out the door. Its no longer his problem, so he’ll happily dump it on Shulkin and the next administration.

1400 claims are 1400 that have clearly fought very hard. The tens of thousands of others will face an even tougher fight.

Jo3n
Jo3n

Very few marches over the years. Seems Veterans endure, and hopefully their families can endure. But, the bonus army and any references associated with, as a march on ??? Where ever, may become more than just a choice. What Martin Luther king said, about, we are not wrong in what we are doing, because if we are wrong, then the Constitution is wrong. In all our actions, we must stick together. I believe we need a way to be heard.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Benjamin Krause, JD – Was there any mention of Veteran’s families being awarded benefits [payments] if a claim was filed by a Veteran who is now deceased?

The more that I learn about the VA, is that they are like Big Corporate Businesses that are protected to the hill from being prosecuted in a timely manner. At least the VA is not like those Pharma companies that are protected from law suits, due to the affects-effects of tetracycline that destroys the integrity of a person’s second teeth after being exposed. Individuals are referred to as Tetracycline Babies.

These Pharma companies lucked out on being sued for many billions of dollars. In the meantime, like the VA, many lives have been severely medically and psychologically affected-effected.

Dina Padilla
Dina Padilla

It is called RISK management and the less that is paid out on claims, then they can have the insurers reinvest the money on Wall st. and get dividends that perhaps does not have to go back from whence they came, the risk management insurance department which is used to show lower amount of claims and a false perception of the problems besetting our veterans, this is how they get the investments back, no claims, more, investment money back to the VA & DOD, FREE MONEY, UNACCOUNTED FOR MONEY This happens in local, state federal govt and private corporations too. MAYBE someone needs to find out just how if the VA & DOD are privatized and receive THESE insurance rebates from wall st. investments, rebates’ by not filing the insurance claims by the veterans, saving and making millions of ghost money. Billionaires like Buffet and companies like AIG (parasites) are known to make like this too.

Ex va
Ex va

@Jo3n agreed. Yes, i think a lot of people in this country do not understand the depth of all of it.

Tony paige
Tony paige

Sgt Tony r Paige USMC camp lejeune, NC, Feb 12th 1977- July 10th 1983, I will never give up, been filing claim after claim for over 20 years, only to be denied over and over. Besides all the conditions I have, my Daughter, was born with medical neurological problems and my wife at that same time lost a child to miscarriage, now they want to limit the claims to certain conditions. I’m in the process now of filing a new claim under job condition while stationed at the marine base. BELIEVE me don’t think for one second that we veterans who were exposed are ignorant to the FACTS, the red tape, the lobbyist, political leaders, medical doctors, pharmasuedical companies all about greed one way or another,.We get it, and we know the game. Many of our fellow servicemen and their daughters, sons and wives have passed away already. We must continue to fight for them especially.,

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Yes ur right about the VBA doing whatever they can to deny veteran’s their deserved disability.

I am so sorry what you had to go through. I know how it feels to loose a child. My wife and I lost twins. Premature.

This was done to veteran’s that were exposed the Agent Orange. I was not exposed to Agent Orange. I was shot in the head and I knew I was suffering from PTSD and the VA denied my claim over and over. Until I hired an attorney.

Because they denied my claim. I did not know that due to the ? shot to the head. That I was also suffering from A traumatic brain injury.

This took 40 year’s. Besides not being treated and knowing that I had a Traumatic brain injury.

I am now suffering from guilt. Because I had to make the hard decesion of placing the twins on tubes and was told that they may die because they were so little.

Told they may if kept alive. May have major problems growing up. I made the decision to not take the chance of them being very disabled and I had to bury them.

I think if the VA would have not lied about My military record’s being distroyed and denying my claim and treated me. Maybe I would have made a different decision.

My daughters would have been 37 year’s old !
People tell me that it was not my fault. But my Brain. Won’t let me stop thinking about it. So that’s something I will have to live with the rest of my life.

There are attorneys now that can help veterans like you. It’s to late for me.

Ben Is an attorney. You can Google his name and you can tell him about it. If he’s unable to assist. There are other attorneys.

I have been suggesting that veteran’s March on Washington and demand trump keep his promise to fix the VA.

Veteran’s have seen the women protest by the thousands. Are we so wipped that we will let other’s fight our battles for us.

I know we can make a difference. IF WE WILL GET OFF OUR BUTT’S. Anyone can complain and we seen what complaining has done Nothing!!!!!

Thanks for sharing your story. Were going to have to do something or these stories will continue and the VA will keep denying veterans claims.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, i hope you can get the correct medications from the va soon. I hate the circumstances that you are in. It took my brother in law a few months to get the heart medications he needed, It was so wrong on what they were trying to do to him. He was in Vietnam.

Now my neighbor who is Vietnam Veteran hasn’t had too much trouble getting services. He wrote some letters and they started helping him right. I worry about him, he is very antisocial because of all he has suffered in war. He doesn’t trust anyone. But, he is a real good guy and would help anyone if asked. He was exposed to agent orange and has had some problems.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – I had many Veteran friends when I lived in Hawaii that were exposed to Agent Orange. It took the VA a long time to recognize the issue with this defoliant too. They get away with things for a long time. It broke my heart watching my friends suffer, as they were complaining to the VA. A lot of pressure on the spouse, kids, and even their dogs. The last I heard, the VA doesn’t even believe that dogs can be affected by Veterans with PTSD. You and I know that’s bullshit. I see its another sleepless night. It catches up with me.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – I ended making Chamomile tea with L-Tryptophan, L-Theanine mixed in. Then did powdered GABA for a boost. I have no recourse but to due what is referred to as bio hacking [no not related to Russia]. This is true news. I have been studying and experimenting with vitamins, supplements, organic compounds, nootropics, essential oils, and raw juicing for over 40 years. I still have an old Acme juicer that my Grand Mother gave me in 1975. No the Acme machine was not ordered from the Road Runner Show. Although I consider myself to be a coyote, stalking the VA during nightly sessions of thought.

One day I foresee me creating a special formulated K9 dog food that is currently not for sale. It will come. Like I’m a guinea pig for the VA, my current K9 is a guinea pig for my experiments. LMAO

When the GABA kicks in, it gives your body a little tingle feeling. Feels good though.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, i did some juicing and i need to get back to it because it did make me feel a little better. Tryptophan is in turkey right? Makes you kinda sleepy. I need to try some of those supplements. I take some vitamins and supplements. That sounds like a nice juicer.

I got a good deal on mixer it is like a vita mixer it can pulverize anything. You could make some good $$$ with the dog food idea. Everyone spoils their dogs now with specialty foods. I will have to look this GABA up, haven’t heard of it. I am in the dark about a lot of supplements. My chiropractor tried to get me on some, didn’t see much difference.

namnibor
namnibor

I used to be on 3 mg extended release Alprazolam daily plus up to additional 2 mg for breakthrough panic attacks and when even now in private healthcare they were giving me such a damn hard time and wanting to screw around with meds as a human pin cushion after 19 years of a med actually helping and working, I said ENOUGH and am focusing my mind and learning new stuff with my serious hobby of music and occasional artwork…and…I take copious amounts of Valerian Root…nature’s Valium. It’s by-far nowhere the relief I got from Alprazolam and still have trouble sleeping and nightmares and panic attacks, but as long as I keep my mind focused on things that relax me, breath, and most importantly (for me) recognizing those particular triggers that set-off my crap, which quite often is just other humans, I just avoid those triggers.
I live a classic somewhat isolated PTSD life but laugh if you want to but my now 9 yrs with me Maine Coon Cat-Mix keeps me on schedule (patterns), and is way more dependable than most humans. I cannot have a dog where I live but even if I could, I would still just have a large cat.
Therapy Dogs are common in people’s minds but do not discount the calming effects of a fish aquarium in both visual stimuli but also inherent noises and gurgle of water have ambient positive benefits as well as of course music.
No matter how shitty I feel on a particular day, not 30 minutes go by from being awoken by your pet to be made to laugh by that same loyal animal, having that beneficial rush of endorphins.
I still take generic of Cymbalta as it also helps with peripheral neuropathy pain along with Lyrica and Cymbalta has been the only antidepressant I can tolerate in certain amounts…but also decided I did not want the harassment over pain meds and also the liability of that these days…even if taking a legally RX’d pain med and say you get in a fender bender, you USE of being on pain meds, although prescribed, can be turned now into both a lawsuit from other driver and DUI….through now-common blood/urine tests with accidents….at least in Ohio. So I said no more and still keep the ample old RX locked away for extreme breakthrough pain.
We should not have to fight for the right to be somewhat comfortable with our particular health crap….but we do.
Valerian Root in capsules is best, not a tea because Valerian Root smells very much like fresh vomit on a hot inner city public transportation bus or train…it’s nasty.
Rant Out. Valerian Root Reboot.

Cantigny
Cantigny

@namnibor:
>>We should not have to fight for the right to be somewhat comfortable with our particular health crap….but we do.

true, we should not. reality is as you say, “but we do”. and oh does it get so blatantly tiring. like a beat-down some weeks. legal MM isn’t any better either as VA is federal and its their nature to jerk a veteran around so i’m too skeptical to try it.

second the music as a big plus!! great hobby for the mind and finger dexterity. i have the isolation tendency too.

Ex va
Ex va

The man is the anchor i believe that keeps everyone safe in a harbor. That is what i have seen when they suffer the family does too. A family needs their husband, father, grandfather and they have to continue for the family. I have seen dogs cry when family members cry. An animal can suffer from loss, so how much more does a human suffer?

It is hard to see suffering or experience it. It is something people do not like to talk about because it is painful. People try to avoid pain and when your sick it seems the majority of your life is pain. I keep trying to move forward in pain, but it is difficult. Don’t like taking meds, but it is a lot worse if i don’t. And took me years to get on meds that would even give me some relief. Loss of sleep i cannot get it back. I go days hardly sleeping then maybe i might get 6 hours. I think the pain keeps me up. I think they did come out with a study about dogs experiencing PTSD also. I think that is true that they do.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – The more we chat, I believe that we closely have related problems and are experiencing many similar symptoms. If you ever need information [I can’t give out advice] on supplements, just ask away. I steer you with options the best I can. All natural of course.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – All is quiet on the home front. I’m here trying to do my best teaching my buddy new commands. He is a ham, spoiled as can be. He loves freeze dried lamb lungs, and fresh liver. He has more toys than I did when I was a kid. And I was an only child. Go figure.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, that is great. My dog is spoiled too. She was a rescue with a lot of problems. She is extremely loyal. Do you cook the liver? I know some people give their pets raw meat and i heard some say it is good, some veterinarian say no.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – I put Crazy elf in an above post. Shows you what lack of sleep does. Oh well, it all good. Yes, we do cook all meats for the boy. Before cooking, we wash the meat then pat it dry with paper towels. Can’t trust those bacteria nowadays. My boy even eats tangerines, watermelon, cantaloupe, tomatoes, and yogurt balls. He loves meat fat. The next time you go to the Pet Store, price out the cost of Pet Fresh Dog Food. Expensive stuff. I have a collection of over 35 dog books covering all aspects of diet, health, home remedies, and training.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – If you need any help with dog issues let me know. At one time, I had my own Dog Tip Show on an L.A. Radio station that aired across the country. I got that gig by saving the producers dog from being poisoned. The Veterinarian didn’t have a clue. Strange how things work.

Ex va
Ex va

Sounds like you have a calling to help our k-9 friends. When i was extremely sick my dog wouldn’t leave my side. That is how loyal she has been to me. Thanks for the advice. I like to think a higher power helps us so we can help others. I have seen things in life that could only be explained as miraculous. Coincidence does happen to, but have seen some really good things happen for people and that makes me feel better about life.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Yes, I feel it. I love dogs, love to help people with dogs, and to help owners from getting over billed [saying it nicely] by veterinarians.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, that is one lucky dog. I didn’t even think of the bacteria side of it. I didn’t give any of my dogs raw meat and i am glad. She just wants to eat whatever we eat and that little caesars food and beneful. PetCo prices are out of sight. Can’t afford and i have bought expensive and dogs don’t like some of it. I tried the yogurt cookies and treats, they wouldn’t touch them. Milkbones they like and dental sticks. I need to get some dog books too. That sounds helpful.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – To save costs, cook liver and remember to save the juice. Since your dog likes table food, you can always add vegetables, and brown rice to make the food stretch, and also to cut you pet food down. Remember, do not give your dog onions [disrupts stomach enzymes], uncooked garlic, grapes, raisons, or dark chocolate for these are toxic to their system. We always use the brown rice because it helps keep their bowels tight, has a lot of vitamins, and it is an excellent nutritious filler. When I was younger, that is how I was able to raise and breed Alaskan Malamutes. Boy can they guff food down.

Ex va
Ex va

Those Alaskan malamutes are beautiful. I had one when i was a kid. Saved my life from a bull coming after me when i was crossing a field. Gave me time to get thru a barbed wire fence. Scared me didn’t know it was in the field.

Ex va
Ex va

Have to write this down, didn’t know about the brown rice. I knew chocolate is deadly. Didn’t know about the other stuff being harmful too.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

I found that the females are more homey type. Where the male likes to roam. They are good family dogs. Unless you get one with a chewing problem. I had one named, Snook, and he pulled out the side of a brand new mattress. That bugger cost me some bucks. His head was more than a foot in diameter. I use to race them too. And, I would take them to the store when going shopping. Put the kids on the sled, and park in a car stall. I remember picking up Christmas trees when the roads were closed due to snow. I had good times.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – I find that it helps me to watch late night Christian TV. I don’t share this too much, but I once was an Associate Pastor at an Assembly of God Church in Hawaii. I’m far from perfect, but His blood covers my shortcomings.

Ex va
Ex va

@ANutterVet, I am a believer too. Christian television helps me too. I would truly be lost without God. I pray a lot. It helps.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

I thought you were. That’s why I brought it up. And, I can tell just by how you write, and what you put into it. That should give you some good confirmation my Brother. I wouldn’t marry wife until I knew she truly gave her life to Jesus. My first wife, well God Bless her.

Ex va
Ex va

I try to lift people up if i can, i feel responsible if someone is in need. If i can’t lift myself up sometimes helping someone else helps me get there. This life is so hard on people sometimes, i try not to make it more of a burden on anyone else. You don’t know where some people are at in this life and what they are going thru. A little kindness and respect can help some people when they need it.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Besides being an Investigative Research Biologist, I also went to Baking School for 3 years, worked for Hewlett Packard where I redesigned production lines, and interviewed, hired, and trained new PhD graduates from major Ivy League Schools in Chemical, Electrical, and Mechanical Engineering. For the past 15 years, I’ve been educating myself in Colored Precious and Semi Precious Gemstones [not diamonds]. I find science to be very fascinating. So, if your looking for some gemstone bling, give a shout out.

Oh, and when I turned 10 years old my father encouraged me to make my own money. So I had 25 fresh water fish tanks. I would especially breed cichlids like Tiger and Regular Oscars, Jack Dempsey, Fire Mouths, Convict Cichlids, and many other types of what is referred to as Old World Cichlids [rare East Rift Zone Cichlids from Eastern Africa]. I would sell the tropical fish to the Pet Stores.

The only thing I didn’t do was open a Cat House. And that’s not feline either. LOL

Ex va
Ex va

Rofl. That is funny. Sounds like you have a lifetime of knowledge and talents. That is cool being a biologist. I like the sciences didn’t make it on the professional level where you are at that is a lot of education. I have had a wide range too in the working side of life. I will keep that in mind about the gemstones. I don’t understand the big deal about diamonds colored gemstones are more interesting.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

In closing, remember that common diamonds are not rare. They are a commodity. They control the price by only releasing so many at a time. Greedy. Ex va, where I lack is things like woodwork, car repair, home repair, etc. I can do it after reading a book, but it takes me a while. With that my Brother, good night.

91Veteran
91Veteran

You would be surprised at the instructional videos you can find on YouTube.

Some are much better than others.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – Yes, there are a lot on YouTube. But to put a nice gemstone specimen in your hand for examination is another thing. I was intrigued by gemstones late in life. If I started collecting Tanzanite back in the late 60’s early 70’s, I would be very well off. What the Jewelry Stores are passing off as Tanzanite is mostly low grade material. The material has low saturation of color.

Our friends in whom our country is indebted too [Chinese], are buying the rough stone before it exits the mines. About 5 years ago, the Chinese pulled a slick move and corned the Russian Chrome Diopside material. Go figure, its a green colored stone. This made the price sky rocket.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Well my Brother, its 4am and the sack is a calling. You have a good night, and we’ll chat later tomorrow. I may take a brake for a little while, but who knows. Depends if I get fired up or not with some postings. That Dan Martinez, I had enough of that dude. We’ll just turn him over to @Seymore Klearly to set his buttflake to melt.

Ex va
Ex va

Goodnight brother, great chatting with you.

Lem
Lem

So many situations like this need to be addressed. Cerebral Malaria AKA p. falciparum.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

you guys looking into health research beck blood purifier,MMS and EDTA

namnibor
namnibor

This is great that the outgoing VA Sec. is throwing Veterans a deserved bone but I have to wonder just how long they sat on this decision with all that time involved ignoring it like agent orange? With that said, we all know how well the VA complied with the presumptive for agent orange and Vets are still wrestling with the VA if they are still alive…how will this huge payout for Camp Lejeune be any different from the huge mess agent orange presumptive is still with the VA?
I see one area that may be an issue of contention and a way the VA will give affected/effected Veterans the royal VA runaround: “[…The plan is estimated to cost $2.2 billion over the next five years to finally compensate veterans exposed for at least 30 cumulative days to toxic water at the Marine base in North Carolina…]”————KEY WORDS: 30 CUMULATIVE DAYS…and we KNOW how the VA is so bad at Math and how the VA has found many ways around paying Vietnam Vets exposed to Agent Orange by playing the numbers game requiring and placing FULL BURDEN of PROOF on the Veterans to PROOVE to VA they were indeed stationed where their DD214 stated they were stationed….how will this be any different?
Will an outside accounting firm keep track to ensure the VA does not hire another interior decorating team or perhaps some color-changing furniture instead of going to affected Vets?

Yeah, I am cynical in whether the VA will actually pay anything out in a TIMELY MANNER and was this late release in McDonald’s tenure originally designed as a gift-wrapped thank you planned for keeping McDonald on as VA Sec and since that did not pan-out, three days before the door hits him in the ass….oh, here you are, good luck with that….? I worry that $$$$ will not go where it’s supposed to and guarantee at least 40% of it will NOT reach Vets….wait for it…

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Totally agree with your statement. Veterans getting a 4-finger prostate exam. Ouch, stop that, it hurts you asshole. I mean my asshole.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Personally I suspect that there is a good measure of Trumphobia involved. Also that if Trump hadn’t been elected this would not be happening now.

If Hillary would have won. I do believe that this would have been one of the issues swept under carpet.

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Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

If the news on Camp Lejeune had been released before or during the election it would have put Veterans up front and center. Something that certainly would have helped Trump.

Also I believe that it is only coming to light now because he is about to be sworn in and McDonald knows issues like these are going to be front and center for the new IG.

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91Veteran
91Veteran

…more research is needed….

$2.2 billion and 1400 claims comes to a little over $1.5 million per claim.

That’s a LOT of salary for multiple claims denials.

I’m curious how they arrived at that 2.2 figure.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I am with you on that 91Veteran.

It also shows just how broken the system is.

Makes you wonder how many Veterans lost their lives or had them destroyed because of the problems. How much money was spent to cover it up for so long and all the less than honorable people who got paid to do it.

In a system that respects active duty personal and Veterans the research would have started the minute they realized there was a problem with the Water. Instead they spent 20 years of covering it up. Letting men and woman suffer and die instead of doing the right thing.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Benjamin Krause, JD – On average, the payment adds up to $2,444.44 per person. Is this enough? When in total it seems like a large settlement, but per individual its worth a high end stainless steel refrigerator. Seems kind of low per the medical conditions that are listed in your article. I mean it doesn’t surprise me that the Government offered a meager payout. Again, Veterans getting shafted. That’s how I see it. Correct me if I’m wrong?

Lem
Lem

Like all VA fixes since the Revolutionary War, it is a “look nice” for the voter, not intended to be a real fix that would cost the 1% their fair share.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I get 30 percent for my kidney witch comes out to about 407.00 a month and any secondary claim they deny……..give me my kidney back minus the cyst and they can stick their 407 up there ass

Ex va
Ex va

@OldMarine, sorry about your disability and injury, i think you need to put in another claim for this so you can get an increase. Take care.

james gallegos
james gallegos

Yes, you have to continue reapplying, every time they do one action. Don’t let you claim lapse !

The VA has done this to thousands of veterans and hope you go away or die before the veterans obtain the deserved rating, One could be 100% disabled and the VA will nickel and dime the veterans 10% then 20% and so on, but the veterans must keep disagreeing with their decision.

As stated before the VA admitted that for every claim denied 90% of those veterans will stop applying or let their claim lapse and when they finely obtain their disability and their claim has lapsed, they loose out on all their back pay.

The VA is doing this on purpose and don’t care if your harmed or don’t received the proper amount of disability. For every dollar they pay out to veterans, that’s one dollar taken away from VA employees.

God forbid they have to give up a bonus. They are not happy that they make 78% more money than the average citizen. So, tell any veteran you know not to stop reapplying for a higher disability, The VA is counting on veterans to give up. and it works.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

To my brothers and sisters,
First, I want to say, how the fuck does this new VA bull shit help the “Former Marines” who’ve died. Like my “brother” did last year. He’d been fighting the VA for years, once he heard about it. Will his spouse receive anything? I doubt it! Now, I believe, like us who fought VA for the “Agent Orange” exposure, will be dead before the truth ever comes out! Hell, I’ve never met one vet who received anything from that “class action lawsuit” which was settled back in the early to mid 1980’s!
That’s all I gotta say about this shit!

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I received this late last night. Thought it might explain, in better detail, how the Federal Reserve operates. Something we need to know, especially since our new POTUS will be running the country as a business.
It’s kinda long, about 40 minutes. Yet, very informative.
Titled;
“END THE FED – Glenn Beck Got Fired 10 Minutes After This Live Show/Share With Friends”

He also has two guest speakers which explain how the federal reserve came about, how the reserve never properly worked and who was responsible for the many recessions and depressions. Which caused massive unemployment throughout our nation’s history.
If your a reading junky, I suggest getting a copy of; “The Creature of Jekyll Island”! A great read.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – Here is a website “www.endthefed.org”. Explains Federal Reserve as well. We’re all being shafted.

T
T

I agree.

That is a good read about the Fed and should be read by all, but won’t be. Most people want to remain ignorant to a multitude of things.

There should be a free speech forum for vets to air their issues, but can’t be found. Censorship is rampant and forums like the one at Military dot com went the path of the far left and is now ruined.

Politicians and others want to keep kicking the can down to future generations to deal while trying to always bury the truth or what others have had to deal with. Agent Orange issues and others in that list has had a high mortality rate plus all the rarely heard about side issues of doing battle with health care professionals to daily living. For example, how many know that in the state of Indiana the first thing that happens to vets and others who file a medical bankruptcy their home insurance is automatically cancelled. Yep, and then put on a high risk list for crimes, possible arson, to suicide, or other insurance ‘crimes.’ Because those evil veterans and those driven to bankruptcy can’t control their money, it’s all their fault, and can’t pay out the huge medical costs or for special care. So they turn into a righ risk tax serf, wage slave, or consumer. Not a mere hurting patient needing help and for somebody to care, or to make things right. NO they are shamed into silence by polite society and corporate America, and all involved in the great scams of the USA like the Federal Reserve, the VA, or modern medicine. But the lawyers make plenty of money.

Another insult to injury is in this state we may be told or see on TV that social security disability or VA disability is exempt from bankruptcy. Not true. It happened to others and then happened to me. Being told the Trustee can take your back pay, empty your bank account, and does not have to abide by so-called ‘exemption laws.’ I don’t know how it is in other states or towns but that is how it works here in corrupt Indiana. The open air prison camp of the USA and don’t dare expect any outside help or dare to speak of truth or personal experiences with all the vast corruption going on here.

The real stories behind the scenes with those suffering families would probably have to be rated as ‘Mature Audience Only” and then be blasted by the corrupt for being a “Conspiracy Theory.” Of course while the majority of USA citizens are more concerned with Hollywood, Kardashian, or sports, instead of the more serious issues that need constant attention. The true amount of misery behind the scenes is really heartbreaking and totally uncalled for by our so-called leaders and so-called professionals in the system of things.

Try to have a good day, all.

T
T

PS.

The bankruptcy thing forces people to file a Chap 13 instead of a Chap 7. Meaning there is forced payments of some amount instead of starting over with a clean slate. Also the attorney gets an extra couple of grand in dollars for seeing to it that a Chap 13 is filed. Then we are told not to worry, we aren’t the ones paying for the extra amount charged for the ‘forced change’ in filing. How the hell that works or who pays is beyond me. I fired my attorney, took it over, and then found I had to hire another lawyer to close it all out. It’s against the law and impossible for a mere citizen to do such a thing without having to pay out more, or be forced to use another legal beagle to get something done. Another mere four hundred bucks to simply close the case. Must be nice having such a profession to railroad people with every move we have to make today legally. While not being able to find any legal aid at all with all the vast amounts of corruption and censoring, or attacks going on.

Lem
Lem

T, I did an undeclared bankruptcy when I gave up trying to be employed in 1991. I simply let all payments go until they were turned over to credit collectors. At that point the interest goes to 0%. I only had VA compensation and SSDI at the time–just before the new bankruptcy rules went into effect. Since both were not attachable I could maintain one low limit credit card paying off monthly to maintain a reasonable credit score (not my FICO is about 730 and my unsecured credit lines total $102,510.00 2 years after going through those 7 years of threating credit collectors) [American Express was the most reasonable and will be the only one paid if I receive back payment under 38 CFR 3.105(a) and 38 CFR 3.154].

After 7 years the debts became uncollectable. Seems like a long time but it is really not. I still occasionally get a letter from one of those old account but I simply respond–prove that you own the account, I made it, and that it is collectable. The collector will sell it off and I continue to do the same thing with the next.

There are lots of fraudsters out there looking up old credit reporting accounts and praying on people that don’t know they have no right to collect an account they never purchased or never purchased legally and an account that the SOL (statute of limitations has run out or shit out of luck whichever way you want to read SOL)

I now have purchase a home which essentially the bank owns and I pay rent on. If I live 15 more year I’ll have some equity to leave to someone. There are no outstanding collectable debts that haven’t been made since 2012. As far as I know Student Loans are the only thing that can attach your social security retirement payments and then there is a limitation on the point they can attach.

To protect my bank accounts I had my SSDI and VA payments direct deposit to savings accounts and then transferred money to checking to pay the bills. My savings (very little) cannot be attached because it is totally from the not attachable income. Any other income that would be attachable goes directly into an attachable checking account and used to pay bills as quickly as possible.

The only purpose for a filed bankruptcy is to allow you to continue employment or business whether chapter 7 or 13 or find a way to save some assets like a home or a car. A family member can lend you a home and a car. Nice to have an extended family who cares.

T
T

Lem. I don’t know if I could have got by doing that or not. The phone calls from collection agencies was insane. So were the threats that are supposedly illegal, but no-one at the state or local levels seem to want to do their jobs, or to protect citizens from any or all of the predators, or corrupt nasty people out there.

I was informed my savings could be drained too as well as any possible incoming disability back pay.

I spent a weekend in jail years back for not making payments on a medical bill. They messed me up, lawyers didn’t do their job either, a law suit was a failed attempt due to the corruption and “Professional Courtesies” and etc. After it was said and done, hassled and constantly taken to court out of a sick bed to be joked about, lawyers and judges laughing in court seeming to have a good time playing games, torturing, I was told it wasn’t over medical bills but over failure to “abide by a court order” to make set payments I couldn’t agree with during a forced court room visit, or subpoena to appear. Exact words were “violation of court orders.” Which I was told later is completely legal and Constitutional. But here everything they do and say is “Constitutional.” Even censoring us and using authority figures, shady night cops to code enforcement or thugs for retaliation or pay-backs for daring to rock the local boats of the “corrupt machine.’

Nothing like going to jail either for a DUI and other stuff when I wasn’t drinking at all, then having words with the cop who was sent out by the cliques for some of that “loving treatment’ to show me where I stood on the social ladder. To show their powers, and as I was told in court once, shown to know there are people here not to be messed or challenged. Oh, yes, I didn’t have the right to demand a blood or alcohol test, the officers word was good enough. I was a bad boy for doing my union’s job and upset the local millionaires and the cliques. I ended up with something like 14 supplemental charges for cussing them all out and telling them what I thought of the entire region and system in Indiana. My town being one of the worse. The real sad part is they could kill me off and no-one would be the wiser and they know they can get by with whatever they want to do. Especially since we have zero support here and zero media or real journalist, just everyday cover-ups and corruption in Terre Haute. But don’t ever come here and mention “nepotism” question the censoring, a Constitution, or mention something that might show a negative light on our happy far left global village run by

I wish fate or family didn’t call me back to this state when I finally got out. Make a political or business etc., enemy here they are enemies out for harm and evil for life. Family after family member and generational, lawyer after daddy lawyers and on it goes.

Have a pleasant evening folks. Isn’t the new Progressive America just grand and great.

Lem
Lem

The only “jailing of a debtor” that I know of that is constitutional, is false statements, “refusing to pay with money in your mattress” or delivering an attached asset such as hiding a car, especially avoidance of child support. You can be put on a work gang in some states to pay off your child support unless you willing come up with it to keep a high paying job. None of those applied to me. I couldn’t drive because of the absence seizures for which I haven’t had the VA compensate me and is part of my article 3.105(a) claim.

I’m not sure if the old debts will be collectable if I receive back payment going back to 1974 based on my 3.154 claim.

Lem
Lem

Case in point! What does Glen Beck getting fired have to do with Camp Legume or even the VA period?

NiteWish
NiteWish

I can only hope this plan provides some ‘relief’ for one of my cousins who was stationed at Camp Lejeune who pretty much disappeared into the Montana wilderness to get away from everything & everyone.

What the heck is going on at Fort Hood & Fort Bliss… so many dead soldiers? Ft Hood will be tainted forever, that was a terrorist attack not a work place violence incident. Denials & cover-ups never cease.
“http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4119404/Mystery-soldier-23-dead-Fort-Hood-barracks.html”

namnibor
namnibor

Had a thought: Will the VA be so cunning to go ahead in addition to whatever particular “payout” the VA dishes-out, to also include *paid for private medical CHOICE outside of the VA”, but then be so wile and turn around and not *pay* those bills, requiring affected paid-out Vets to fend for their own in a “Limited Liability” Non-Disclosure kind of way?
I know this is over-thinking it a tad but we have witnessed of span of years and recent months how the VA *always* moves at glacial speeds when *paying out* to Vets but by golly if you *owe* the VA anything you are threatened with enough to make anyone with PTSD to go manic when they threaten to cease or garnish/withhold from compensation.
Just like the TBI scandal, and announcement to all erroneously non-qualified TBI exams affected Vets to send all their stuff to -1- central location…but mum has been the word since…will this Camp Lejeune just be a mountain of $$$ that has absolutely no accountability?
Why should we trust them to not skim off the top, middle, and bottom of that pile of $$$, even going as far as charging “VA administrational fees” or some crap similar? Will the AFGE Hungry Hippos and Dinosaur VSO’s also graze on that pile of $$$ before affected Vets see a dime? Will it be taxable income? Will it offset/affect those Vets already receiving 100% for perhaps something entirely different?
What about the Surviving Spouses of Deceased Veterans *from* that toxic Marine Base? Am I asking too many questions? Nope.

namnibor
namnibor

Also, what about the Veteran Spouses/Children that ALSO drank that same water on that Marine Base? What about Gov’t/Fed workers and Contractors? That pile of $$$ will be grazed-down rather fast or all non-Veteran type claims of this nature handled by DOD separately from Vets?

Ex va
Ex va

@namnibor, i have a lot of questions also. The stress of financial responsibility for delays of payments makes a lot of people manically and unneedlessly stressed. It is not right to do this to Veterans and their families who are disabled and seriously suffering illnesses. Veterans i know feel responsible even though the disease is service connected. The families do everything they can to contribute because they love their family member. This stress should never be on the Veteran and their families. I have seen elderly parents doing everything they can to save their disabled son. It is so sad and unfair and the va acting so callus like it is no big deal to let suffering continue. It really angers me at times.

Larry Smith
Larry Smith

Did anyone notice it started with 12 different diseases and now is eight. I’m sure the union will find someway to skim off their share

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s my thoughts for today.
Over $19 TRILLION in debt, correct?! Plus, in the past eight years, over $9.35 TRILLION accumulated by Obama. For some reason, I just can’t fathom this much being spent for our nation’s agencies and wars. Especially when no other POTUS accumulated this much debt.

So, let’s just examine this practically.

We know, for a fact, many agencies have been caught dealing in possible illegal contracts. These contacts deal in BILLIONS of taxpayers monies.
Example; One such contract was for a ‘boulder’, used for “patient calming”, at a VHA clinic in Northern California! Where thousands of dollars were paid out to a company as “art work”! Now, that being said, was there any form of “kick-backs” to the VHA director of that facility? Were there any “kick-backs” to local, state or federally elected or appointed officials?
That was just one example I’m questioning. There is many, many more which should also be questioned as well.

So, *IF* our lawmakers were really interested in catching those individuals making a profit from the contracts, then we would see them punished. The Congress has the “Power of the Purse”! This is what makes them accountable for every dollar spent.
*IF* they are going to break the nation’s Cabals, this would be a great place to start!

I don’t think things will ever get straightened out, financially, if Congress doesn’t start, in the new administration, handing over documentation to the FBI and DOJ for Investigation and prosecution for those involved in illegal schemes to enrich themselves!

As namnibor has pointed out, where are the taxpayers monies actually going!!!!!!!
How is it possible for elected and appointed officials to become so economically powerful in such a short time frame after taking office?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Am I over-thinking things here? I don’t think so!

Lem
Lem

Crazy elf or communist mole?

And with unpaid for tax cuts will be over 30 trillion with in 4 years of the tax breaks. Look at what happened with the last two tax breaks that mostly benefited the top 1% and corporations. Who needs to have corporate money come to the U S other than Wall Street. Raise their tax rate to bring it home and make them stimulate over seas markets with that capital in over seas markets or pay the price to bring it to a more secure market. We have too much money in the capital pool now. In order to inflate stock prices Wall Street tells us to never mind buying stock in a company that has no fixed assets to back it up and the stock holder will be holding the bag after executives get their golden parachutes. Look at the American Airlines bankruptcy in which the executives paid themselves large bonuses of stockholder wealth by sticking it to the stockholders in favor of the money exchangers.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Hmmmm, I guess now I’m considered a “communist mole”.

All because I, as probably others, have questions concerning how some of our elected and appointed officials have become richer. While serving in positions not really meant for them to gain from possible illegal contracts.

Plus, because the tax breaks PE Trump, as did President Reagan, is wanting to set in place, which will cause our economy to thrive.
Because, for the past eight years, under Obama, has stagnated at less than 2% GDP!
And, even before PE Trump has taken the reigns of the presidency, he’s brought back tens of thousands of jobs for the people!
Well, *IF* that’s the definition of a ‘communist mole’, I guess it’s better than “Liberal Democrat”, lolol…..

Lem
Lem

It is all of your “fake news” posts that get me, Crazy elf. You don’t seem to post much factually based verifiable news posts. Just questioning the motivation? Seems we do have some Putin moles out and about on the internet.

Lem
Lem

Especially the “fake news” posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf,

Don’t waste your time with Lem.

He is just a total troll at times.

I agree with you on the money and how it just keeps getting eat-up by the corruption in our government. Keep up the Great posting.

Lem
Lem

Really? Actually Seymore you do occasionally present items on topic. Much more often than Crazy elf and with much fewer “false news” reports. I call a spade a spade. What is your problem?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Lem,
Just what did I post do you find as “fake news”!

“Illegal contracts where VA upper management were just sentenced to prison”? As was reported by news sources in Ohio recently!

“Art work of the Bolder at a Northern California VHA clinic”? As reported by the GAO last year.

“Stagnation of the GDP”, (-2% for the past 8 years), as reported by
“The Wall Street Journal”!

Or, how about these articles.

A murderer brought back to Indiana in August 2015! After he been hired by a VHA in Southern Illinois in April 2015. Reported on here by multiple people.

Or, the contract of putting a lighted “Braille” Board up at a VHA parking lot. So blind people could “see” phrases “spoke” by influential persons. When entering the parking lot.

Or, how about tens of thousands of dollars spent on “color changing walls”, “lavish Plush Leather couches and chairs” and more at the Las Vegas, NV VHA hospital. As was reported by the VA-OIG last year.

Or, how about the $1.7 BILLION dollar, over budget, VHA hospital in Aurora, Colorado.

Do you really want me to continue? Ben, Seymore, 91Veteran, myself and a multitude of others have posted comments on here, concerning the illegal contracts, mismanagement of taxpayers monies, corrupt VA employees (from top to bottom) much longer than you.
Your B/S you’ve spread makes me wonder *IF* your even a veteran!
Don’t make a fool out of yourself by replying.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Elf,

For Lem, if a news organization didn’t repeatedly say that Hillary was going to win and that there was no way possible for Trump to win, then it is a fake news organization.

Of course those Hillary will win news orgs all call the real news orgs fake news.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Either Lem is just trolling, or he is a Veteran who may mean well, but has problems with his reasoning capabilities.

But more and more it seems that he is trying to engage people just to waste there time and to kill discussion on subjects.

Which is it Lem? Are you a troll or do you have issues?

Lem
Lem

I hope I’ve pointed out my concerns and answered your Question, Seymore.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Lem,

You have attached me, namnibor and others in the past. Now today you are after Elf and a few others on this blog. I don’t want to get down on you but I believe the questions I have asked are reasonable at this point.

Which is it Lem? Are you a troll or do you have issues?

Lem
Lem

Attached or attacked? I have disagreed with several posts but not on a personal level. I may have forgotten myself on occasion and if so I apologize to any who are on here about the care of veterans. If you are here as a political troll or a Putin operative you deserve no apology. I hope this is the only time I get of the subject of veteran’s care.

If anyone would care to point out any specific instances I’ll make a specific apology in the place of this general one.

Lem
Lem

As for issues, I have reported them on several of Benjamin’s threads. Primarily under 38 CFR 3.105(a) and 3.154. In case you don’t know what they are 3.105(a) has to due with compensation denied by “Clear and unmistakable errors”. 3.154 is related to malpractice. If either of those apply to anyone on the board and their VSO representatives (as is usual) never brought them up then I suggest you get an attorney.

Benjamin seems overloaded and primarily works on the “rehabilitation” side. There are now attorneys who specialize in VA compensation. I presently have one and if you would like a referral contact me personally. If you relate details that I believe are actionable I refer you to her. If I don’t believe they are actionable you are on your own to search the net and find someone who believes you have a case worth pursuing the way I did. “[email protected]

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Thank You Lem!

Ralph D Carmona Sr
Ralph D Carmona Sr

Shut up asshole

Lem
Lem

As I was saying, I love trolling the trollers who name call. Welcome to the circle jerk that is going nowhere, Ralph.

Or possibly you could post something on topic and of value–anything on topic is of values to someone.

Lem
Lem

Case in point! While accurate I believe you find the budget problems are the purview of the Congress. Find where a President has miss spent appropriated money and you may have a point. Apparently you don’t understand Constitutional powers, Crazy elf.